Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART
On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes had lost it's way. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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2000 Jetta TDI did 50-55 MPG On Saturday, June 29, 2013, Gerry Archer wrote: On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes had lost it's way. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: I got 28 to 32 mpg in my 1962 190Dc! FORTY years ago! A 5 seat sedan. No A/c but i could set the heat seperately right or left. I could set the fan speed anywhere I wanted it, and the NAcc always worked! My mom's 62 Rambler did it on gasoline. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Any time someone mentions a Smart, I think back to the BMW Isetta which was somewhat smaller than the Smart. They were popular with some students at the university until one came down Main Street going pretty fast, hit a curb (someone said), and went airborne; landing on the other side of of a cross street. Never heard how the occupants faired, but the cab looked fairly intact in a newspaper picture. http://www.microcar.org/carspecs/bmwisetta300.html Gerry From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5943 - Release Date: 06/26/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Any time someone mentions a Smart, I think back to the BMW Isetta which was somewhat smaller than the Smart. They were popular with some students at the university until one came down Main Street going pretty fast, hit a curb (someone said), and went airborne; landing on the other side of of a cross street. Never heard how the occupants faired, but the cab looked fairly intact in a newspaper picture. http://www.microcar.org/carspecs/bmwisetta300.html Gerry Isettas were cool. My dad almost bought one. I stopped in at Grassroots BMW this spring, and they have a very nice early isetta in the showroom along with an R27 and a nice R60/2 amongst the new stuff that is not the least bit attractive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the front seats, but it wasn't half as roomy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was a different, crappy Smart. The good ones are very roomy and fun to drive. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the front seats, but it wasn't half as roomy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He must have driven the Remedial --R On 6/27/13 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That was a different, crappy Smart. The good ones are very roomy and fun to drive. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the front seats, but it wasn't half as roomy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. I think I'll wait! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maintenance costs are tiny, though. The 10K servicing cost like $150. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. I think I'll wait! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No not a Prius. That's a tree hugger pussymobile! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And an electric Smart car is not Randy On 27/06/2013 1:13 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: No not a Prius. That's a tree hugger pussymobile! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Electric cars make a lot of sense if you have a short commute and can keep another car around for longer drives. We've oft considered one for Angie's 20 mile round trip. Keep the pickup and a diesel car for me, electric for her. If she needs to go farther she could take the pickup. We could probably even convince the people she rents space from to put in an outside outlet for her, it would be good PR for the office. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:40:11 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: 51cc6aeb.1000...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. BTW have you ever been to Busboys and Poets? I had brunch there when I was in town, was pretty good, and an interesting crowd. --R On 6/27/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've eaten at both of them. My son likes their vegan options. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. BTW have you ever been to Busboys and Poets? I had brunch there when I was in town, was pretty good, and an interesting crowd. --R On 6/27/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tAsuF3yrifPAMFMKkQDrpU**X8Ng-tFomkJqBdEtGA_H5g@mail.** gmail.com tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! __**__ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. I saw a TV ad (!) for a diesel (!) Chevy (!) Cruze. Given the amount of TV I've seen this year they must be running it pretty heavily. Seems like it could be interesting, hope they don't price it into oblivion to pay for all that ad space. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does anyone know the long-term issues of the batteries in these cars? When will the battery require replacement? What does that cost? What are the environmental issues in battery recycling/disposal? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:38 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Electric cars make a lot of sense if you have a short commute and can keep another car around for longer drives. We've oft considered one for Angie's 20 mile round trip. Keep the pickup and a diesel car for me, electric for her. If she needs to go farther she could take the pickup. We could probably even convince the people she rents space from to put in an outside outlet for her, it would be good PR for the office. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Does anyone know the long-term issues of the batteries in these cars? When will the battery require replacement? What does that cost? What are the I don't know specifically for the newer cars, but per the folks who have done manual conversions: http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/evdl-real-world-lithium-battery-lifespani-72611.html TL;DR 10 years or 100Kmi, they were looking at $6K-$8K for retail lithium prices last year. Note that they aren't doing engine oil/belt/etc. changes and so on (since they are just turning everything directly) so that is the primary maintenance cost for a true EV. Most conversions have transmissions and therefore normal transmission maintenance, I'm not sure about true manufactured EVs. environmental issues in battery recycling/disposal? Meh, who cares about the environment? :) Seriously, the electric motor is much more efficient at getting power to the wheels, and big power plants are more efficient than little ones. There was a study (I posted it a long time ago, in the archives) where a Swiss group found that EVs were slightly worse than IC engines, as long as you account for the environmental impact of mining battery materials and making and disposing of the batteries, assume all power is generated by 1980s coal plants, and do not account for the environmental impact of drilling for and refining oil. I figure that means EVs are overall a net positive environmentally, though to be honest my primary interest has been in the wallet benefit (hence I have not yet bought one). Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah right. That just means yours is so new it hasn't had anything fail yet. Any new car should get through 3 years with basically no costs other than fuel and washer fluid. VW does all the maintenance for the first 3 years so you don't even pay for oil changes. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:39:00 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=uLeYxKSC-FZhJhLBMsft3eKe4EEnVg0R09noT=xcu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The measure where the Smart wins is cute, though that one is in the eye of the beholder --- On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 27, 2013 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. I don't understand why Smart parts should be any cheaper than parts for any other modern Mercedes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Because they are proportionately smaller. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 27, 2013 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. I don't understand why Smart parts should be any cheaper than parts for any other modern Mercedes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That hyundai-eh coverage is not all it seems cracked up to be. SWMBA got suckered into paying for some extended edition and it does not really provide all that much. Better to just set the thing on fire when it fails, since what is going bad are items not covered by that power train thing clay On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. BTW have you ever been to Busboys and Poets? I had brunch there when I was in town, was pretty good, and an interesting crowd. --R On 6/27/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. Alex Ho hum. Diesel escort did that 50+ MPG fully loaded at 70 mph 30 years ago. so did the dissel wabbit, and both seated 4 adults and luggage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Hear hear! I got 28 to 32 mpg in my 1962 190Dc! FORTY years ago! A 5 seat sedan. No A/c but i could set the heat seperately right or left. I could set the fan speed anywhere I wanted it, and the NAcc always worked! a freakin Smart oughta get 40 on benzin or kerosene and 65 or better on Diesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
