Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Picky picky!

--R


On 9/1/17 6:33 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:42:03 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 wrote:


Just wait a coupla weeks for a lot of good deals on newer southern
cars!  Very clean!

Yes, very thoroughly washed in flood waters ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:42:03 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just wait a coupla weeks for a lot of good deals on newer southern 
> cars!  Very clean!

Yes, very thoroughly washed in flood waters ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Just wait a coupla weeks for a lot of good deals on newer southern 
cars!  Very clean!


--R


On 9/1/17 4:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On September 1, 2017 at 3:15 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


We had a local dealer selling his cars advertised as "Deeply Discounted"
because of Hail Damage.  The advertisement said many of the cars had
damage only detectable by a professional.  I guess they weren't bad
enough to warrant Salvage Titles?

A whole bunch of new cars with salvage titles (a brand new car with no factory warranty, 
yippee!), Chevys, Fords, Toadas, Lexi, were in a NY CoPart auction yesterday. $20-26k 
Cruzes and Malibus were going for $10-12k, some of the Lexi were going for what I assume 
was 70% of MSRP or more. Every car, no matter what the selling price, was "on 
reserve" at auction end.
Now a Cruze Hatchback with 53 miles on the odo that sold for $11,100 yesterday 
is relisted with a BuyItNow of $14,800. Hmm, do I buy it from my local Chebby 
dealer for $18,500 after rebates, or do I pay nearly $16k with Copart fees for 
a dented up car with no warranty?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 1, 2017 at 3:15 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> We had a local dealer selling his cars advertised as "Deeply Discounted" 
> because of Hail Damage.  The advertisement said many of the cars had 
> damage only detectable by a professional.  I guess they weren't bad 
> enough to warrant Salvage Titles?  

A whole bunch of new cars with salvage titles (a brand new car with no factory 
warranty, yippee!), Chevys, Fords, Toadas, Lexi, were in a NY CoPart auction 
yesterday. $20-26k Cruzes and Malibus were going for $10-12k, some of the Lexi 
were going for what I assume was 70% of MSRP or more. Every car, no matter what 
the selling price, was "on reserve" at auction end. 
Now a Cruze Hatchback with 53 miles on the odo that sold for $11,100 yesterday 
is relisted with a BuyItNow of $14,800. Hmm, do I buy it from my local Chebby 
dealer for $18,500 after rebates, or do I pay nearly $16k with Copart fees for 
a dented up car with no warranty?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

A buddy of mine in college had an old egg-shaped Volvo he and his dad 
did that to, it was a great car.  I don't think they had more than a 
coupla hundred bucks in it, if that.


--R


On 9/1/17 3:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Nope. We built a VW van from two wrecked ones - cut the front clip off a
good one and welded it onto the other that was smashed in front. Took it to
the tag agent who looked at it, thought it looked good and titled it - I
don't remember what the title said specifically. Got liability insurance
with no questions asked. It wasn't worth enough to go for collision or
comprehensive - it was 15 years old at the time.



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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 1, 2017 at 3:16 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
 
> Some states require that a car with a salvage title be inspected and it's 
> roadworthiness be attested to by a state or licensed inspector. 

My salvage guy gave me a copy of the form you need to send in to upgrade the 
title. The 'licensed inspector' in this case is anybody willing to put his 
mechanic's license number and signature on the form. 

If my Cruze had been on a salvage title, I would have made my body shop manager 
sign it after he straightens my framwork next week. As it turns out, the lower 
cradle and all the vital stuff is straight, so he just needs to realign the 
radiator support, bumper support, inner fenders etc to make the cosmetic stuff 
hang straight. I got off lucky on that part. Around $300 for half a day's labor 
on the frame machine, a new front clip, and my car will be good as new, except 
for the blown air bags and minor dents on the left side of the car. The air 
bags and seat belts will not come cheap, almost makes me wish I'd bought a 2015 
Cruze instead of a 2017. A half dozen 2015 air bags would cost me about $400. 
I'll be paying at least $500 for the two roof bags and the steering wheel bag 
is really hard to find used. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

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Nope. We built a VW van from two wrecked ones - cut the front clip off a
good one and welded it onto the other that was smashed in front. Took it to
the tag agent who looked at it, thought it looked good and titled it - I
don't remember what the title said specifically. Got liability insurance
with no questions asked. It wasn't worth enough to go for collision or
comprehensive - it was 15 years old at the time.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is it true that in most states you cannot insure a car with a salvage
> title?
> LarryT
>
>
> On 08/30/2017 11:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On August 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, I see, you're asking about the title (or lack thereof).
>>>
>> Yes, it's an incredible waste that they put a scrap title on a perfectly
>> usable car with merely hail damage. There was a 2013 Malibu in Milwaukee
>> last week that was the same situation as the SL500 a couple of weeks ago.
>> Looked nice in the pictures, I'd gladly drive it without bothering to pay
>> for PDR work, and it was only good for scrap.
>>
>>
>> Four main levels of title:
>>
>> Clean, take it to the DMV and buy a plate for it. There's enough clean
>> title cars out there it's usually best to just let the others go, unless
>> you're buying a parts car.
>>
>> Salvage, prove to the DMV you've made it road safe, have them upgrade the
>> title to rebuilt and put a plate on it.
>>
>> Rebuilt, former salvage, now legal to drive again.
>>
>> Scrap/unrepairable/parts only, can never be licensed for the street
>> again. In Michigan at least, it means it can only be legally sold to a
>> licensed dealer in scrap metals or salvage cars. I can't buy it, a used car
>> dealer can't buy it, and when the state comes to audit the salvage yard
>> that bought it they better be able to show the car or paperwork proving it
>> was already recycled.
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I don't think so.

You might be confusing this with a rebuilt title.

Some states require that a car with a salvage title be inspected and it's 
roadworthiness be attested to by a state or licensed inspector.  Then it gets a 
"rebuilt" or "reconstructed" title.  Other states don't make the distinction 
and you can just register a car with a salvage title. Florida does this.

As for insurance, that is up to the insurance company. I've had both salvage 
and rebuilt titles cars insured without question in the past.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is it true that in most states you cannot insure a car with a salvage title?
> LarryT
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

We had a local dealer selling his cars advertised as "Deeply Discounted" 
because of Hail Damage.  The advertisement said many of the cars had 
damage only detectable by a professional.  I guess they weren't bad 
enough to warrant Salvage Titles?   I especially like it when I see a 
advertisement saying "Prices too low to show.  Come on in!!"

LarryT

On 08/30/2017 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 30/08/2017 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
There was a nice SL he posted a coupla weeks ago that had hail damage 
but they were only selling for parts.  Seemed like a waste.


--R


Might well depend on how bad the hail damage is.
Big hail will take out all the glass etc. Becomes too expensive to 
repair even if you can live with dimples in the sheet metal.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Is it true that in most states you cannot insure a car with a salvage title?
LarryT

On 08/30/2017 11:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On August 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Oh, I see, you're asking about the title (or lack thereof).

Yes, it's an incredible waste that they put a scrap title on a perfectly usable 
car with merely hail damage. There was a 2013 Malibu in Milwaukee last week 
that was the same situation as the SL500 a couple of weeks ago. Looked nice in 
the pictures, I'd gladly drive it without bothering to pay for PDR work, and it 
was only good for scrap.


Four main levels of title:

Clean, take it to the DMV and buy a plate for it. There's enough clean title 
cars out there it's usually best to just let the others go, unless you're 
buying a parts car.

Salvage, prove to the DMV you've made it road safe, have them upgrade the title 
to rebuilt and put a plate on it.

Rebuilt, former salvage, now legal to drive again.

Scrap/unrepairable/parts only, can never be licensed for the street again. In 
Michigan at least, it means it can only be legally sold to a licensed dealer in 
scrap metals or salvage cars. I can't buy it, a used car dealer can't buy it, 
and when the state comes to audit the salvage yard that bought it they better 
be able to show the car or paperwork proving it was already recycled.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Can't fault your logic

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On 8/30/17 12:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On August 30, 2017 at 11:57 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
Might well depend on how bad the hail damage is.
Big hail will take out all the glass etc. Becomes too expensive to
repair even if you can live with dimples in the sheet metal.

That's why the auction listings have pictures. The two in particular I was 
complaining about were very nice cars.

Here's one that was hit about as hard as can be without glass breakage.
Not far from Dallas, they had baseball to softball sized hail, sometimes with 
60-100mph winds, on June 14. I suspect this car caught a big piece of that.
Clean title though. Buy it, license it, drive it, if you want a 2015 
CheapClasse AWD that's dimpled like a golf ball:
https://www.copart.com/lot/31721187

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 30, 2017 at 11:57 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

> Might well depend on how bad the hail damage is.
> Big hail will take out all the glass etc. Becomes too expensive to 
> repair even if you can live with dimples in the sheet metal.

That's why the auction listings have pictures. The two in particular I was 
complaining about were very nice cars. 

Here's one that was hit about as hard as can be without glass breakage.
Not far from Dallas, they had baseball to softball sized hail, sometimes with 
60-100mph winds, on June 14. I suspect this car caught a big piece of that. 
Clean title though. Buy it, license it, drive it, if you want a 2015 
CheapClasse AWD that's dimpled like a golf ball:
https://www.copart.com/lot/31721187

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 30, 2017 at 11:57 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

> Might well depend on how bad the hail damage is.
> Big hail will take out all the glass etc. Becomes too expensive to 
> repair even if you can live with dimples in the sheet metal.

That's why the auction listings have pictures. The two in particular I was 
complaining about were very nice cars.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

My insurer told me they no longer insure cars with salvage or rebuilt titles.  
I asked if that was just related to collision coverage and they said, no, it's 
across the board.

It's Allstate if anyone was wondering.

A good question to ask your insurer

-D

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's an incredible waste that they put a scrap title on a perfectly 
> usable car with merely hail damage. There was a 2013 Malibu in Milwaukee last 
> week that was the same situation as the SL500 a couple of weeks ago. Looked 
> nice in the pictures, I'd gladly drive it without bothering to pay for PDR 
> work, and it was only good for scrap. 
> 
> 
> Four main levels of title:
> 
> Clean, take it to the DMV and buy a plate for it. There's enough clean title 
> cars out there it's usually best to just let the others go, unless you're 
> buying a parts car. 
> 
> Salvage, prove to the DMV you've made it road safe, have them upgrade the 
> title to rebuilt and put a plate on it. 
> 
> Rebuilt, former salvage, now legal to drive again.
> 
> Scrap/unrepairable/parts only, can never be licensed for the street again. In 
> Michigan at least, it means it can only be legally sold to a licensed dealer 
> in scrap metals or salvage cars. I can't buy it, a used car dealer can't buy 
> it, and when the state comes to audit the salvage yard that bought it they 
> better be able to show the car or paperwork proving it was already recycled.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

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On 30/08/2017 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
There was a nice SL he posted a coupla weeks ago that had hail damage 
but they were only selling for parts.  Seemed like a waste.


--R


Might well depend on how bad the hail damage is.
Big hail will take out all the glass etc. Becomes too expensive to 
repair even if you can live with dimples in the sheet metal.


RB

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh, I see, you're asking about the title (or lack thereof).

Yes, it's an incredible waste that they put a scrap title on a perfectly usable 
car with merely hail damage. There was a 2013 Malibu in Milwaukee last week 
that was the same situation as the SL500 a couple of weeks ago. Looked nice in 
the pictures, I'd gladly drive it without bothering to pay for PDR work, and it 
was only good for scrap. 


Four main levels of title:

Clean, take it to the DMV and buy a plate for it. There's enough clean title 
cars out there it's usually best to just let the others go, unless you're 
buying a parts car. 

Salvage, prove to the DMV you've made it road safe, have them upgrade the title 
to rebuilt and put a plate on it. 

Rebuilt, former salvage, now legal to drive again.

Scrap/unrepairable/parts only, can never be licensed for the street again. In 
Michigan at least, it means it can only be legally sold to a licensed dealer in 
scrap metals or salvage cars. I can't buy it, a used car dealer can't buy it, 
and when the state comes to audit the salvage yard that bought it they better 
be able to show the car or paperwork proving it was already recycled.

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Oh, I see, you're asking about the title (or lack thereof).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There was a nice SL he posted a coupla weeks ago that had hail damage but
> they were only selling for parts.  Seemed like a waste.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/30/17 10:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Not parts, primary damage is hail damage, Copart says the car can "run and
>> drive" which means they verified it will start and go into gear and move
>> forward under its own power.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> This one is not a parts special like that nice SL was?
>>>
>>>
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There was a nice SL he posted a coupla weeks ago that had hail damage 
but they were only selling for parts.  Seemed like a waste.


--R


On 8/30/17 10:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Not parts, primary damage is hail damage, Copart says the car can "run and
drive" which means they verified it will start and go into gear and move
forward under its own power.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


This one is not a parts special like that nice SL was?



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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Not parts, primary damage is hail damage, Copart says the car can "run and
drive" which means they verified it will start and go into gear and move
forward under its own power.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This one is not a parts special like that nice SL was?
>
>
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[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

This one is not a parts special like that nice SL was?

--R


On 8/29/17 8:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

This ML is the same year and model as mine, slightly different color, 40k less 
on the odometer. Sold for $475. Reserve wasn't met, but now it says SOLD so I 
guess the seller accepted the high bid. I think it was a gift at that price, 
what do you guys think?
https://www.copart.com/lot/30346577

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> On August 29, 2017 at 9:13 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like a deal to me to, if it runs.  I couldn't find any description of 
> the condition.

Condition is listed as Hail Damaged.
Which means dented all over, but needing no repair if you can live with it.
Mine was Front Damage, which turned out to be Deer Strike Damage. 
I think I'd rather have the hail car for $475 than the deer car for 750. 
 
> On August 29, 2017 at 9:17 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So whats the deal with buying from copart?  Can you bid online? Does it 
> cost anything?

You can bid online, most cars are a dealer only item so you'd need a dealer's 
login info to bid those. 
Selecting 'no license required' on the search page makes 80% of the search 
results go away. If I were you, I'd search for brand, MBZ, ownership document 
type, clean title, and then sort by zip code to put the nearest cars first. 

There's an online bid fee, adding $29-79 to the price when you win, if your 
winning bid was placed online and not at the in-store kiosk before the auction 
starts. I try to bid at least 80% of my limit at the kiosk when I'm in the yard 
looking at the cars. I put my $975 limit on the ML350 at the kiosk and then 
went home and watched the system proxy bid me in the sale, I got it for $750. 

Lots of other fees too. Fees are higher for non-licensed buyers, and they 
charge you an extra $50 for title processing if you're unlicensed. Once a car 
hits about $4k, it's cheaper to pay my dealer $300 to buy it for me, even if 
unlicensed bidders are allowed. And dealers get hit with annual membership 
fees, there's no membership fee for unlicensed bidders. 
https://www.copart.com/memberFees

My ML was open auction, my Cruze was dealer only auction, but at $5800 I would 
have bid the Cruze as a dealer anyway to pay a $425 buyer fee instead of a 15% 
fee. There was a really sweet Cruze in Denver today, same color as mine, 11k 
more miles than mine, fewer options than mine, but practically no damage. I 
figure it's worth 2-3k more than mine. The thing sold for $10,100. Suddenly 
$5800 plus fees (we paid CoPart $6363 for that $5800 online bid) doesn't sound 
like much money. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/37303687

My kiosk bid $750 ML350 needed a $1134 money order to pay for it, but part of 
that was sales tax. My account history on the day I bought the ML:
Charges and Payments:
750.00
SALE PRICE
08/18/2017

50.00
TITLE PROCESSING
08/18/2017

230.00
BUYER FEE
08/18/2017

59.00
GATE
08/18/2017

45.00
SALES TAX
08/18/2017

1,134.00
BUYER PAYMENT

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So whats the deal with buying from copart?  Can you bid online? Does it 
cost anything?



On 8/29/2017 8:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like a deal to me to, if it runs.  I couldn't find any description of the 
condition.



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Re: [MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like a deal to me to, if it runs.  I couldn't find any description of the 
condition.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 29, 2017 8:34:48 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>This ML is the same year and model as mine, slightly different color,
>40k less on the odometer. Sold for $475. Reserve wasn't met, but now it
>says SOLD so I guess the seller accepted the high bid. I think it was a
>gift at that price, what do you guys think?
>https://www.copart.com/lot/30346577
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[MBZ] Cheap MLs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This ML is the same year and model as mine, slightly different color, 40k less 
on the odometer. Sold for $475. Reserve wasn't met, but now it says SOLD so I 
guess the seller accepted the high bid. I think it was a gift at that price, 
what do you guys think?
https://www.copart.com/lot/30346577

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