Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-19 Thread Lee
Thanks for your input, everyone.

The power antenna has bitten me a couple of times now, stopping just 
short of fully retracting, causing the motor to run until the battery died.

It's cute and fun to have the antenna go up and down when I turn the 
radio on and off.

But it's a raging PITA when it becomes persnickety.

So I am going with the simpler, perhaps more hillbilly option of 
disconnecting the power to the antenna and leaving it extended.

Lee






  

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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-19 Thread Peter Frederick
There is a fault in the antenna motor controller if the battery goes  
dead -- it must time out when the mast stops (as it does when it's  
all the way up or down, in fact) -- there is no difference between  
the mast being stuck an inch or two up and fully down as far as the  
guts go.


Unplug it with the mast all the way up until you can get a  
replacement.  They used to be fairly common in junkyards, don't know  
about that now.  Same motor for all of them, just the mast post was  
different.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-19 Thread WILTON
I did and have almost forgotten about it, and I'm not even a hillbilly. 
'Not even embarrassed anymore that I drive an MB with an antenna that 
stays up all the time.  ;


Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna



Thanks for your input, everyone.

The power antenna has bitten me a couple of times now, stopping just
short of fully retracting, causing the motor to run until the battery 
died.


It's cute and fun to have the antenna go up and down when I turn the
radio on and off.

But it's a raging PITA when it becomes persnickety.

So I am going with the simpler, perhaps more hillbilly option of
disconnecting the power to the antenna and leaving it extended.

Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-19 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Better to have an MB with a nice errect antenna, than one with perpetual ED.

Walt, who just went there :p
On Feb 19, 2011 10:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 I did and have almost forgotten about it, and I'm not even a hillbilly.
 'Not even embarrassed anymore that I drive an MB with an antenna that
 stays up all the time. ;

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Lee einer...@yahoo.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna


 Thanks for your input, everyone.

 The power antenna has bitten me a couple of times now, stopping just
 short of fully retracting, causing the motor to run until the battery
 died.

 It's cute and fun to have the antenna go up and down when I turn the
 radio on and off.

 But it's a raging PITA when it becomes persnickety.

 So I am going with the simpler, perhaps more hillbilly option of
 disconnecting the power to the antenna and leaving it extended.

 Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-19 Thread OK Don
Now that I have an ammeter in the circuit, I think the antenna control
circuitry is what is causing my battery to be drained every other week or so
in the '92 300D. I can park the car, turn the key back one position so the
engine stops, but the radio is still on. There is around 1-2 amps of drain
(glove box light is also on - the ammater is in the glove box). The drain
goes up to 3-4 amps when I turn the radio off and tha antenna retracts, then
stays there for 10-20 seconds after the motor stops running. I hear a click
from the rear of the car, and the ammeter goes to zero. The length of time
from the end of the motor run to the click is not consistent. I can't hear
the click if the engine is running, which is my usual mode of operation -
turn off radio, then kill engine.

It's also interesting to watch the the current immediately after starting
the engine - when it's cold (below 40F), there is a drain of ~30 amps, the
tapers off to ~10 amps over 15-30 seconds, then a click, and the meter jumps
up to a 30 amp charge, which slowly drops to zero over a couple of miles.
When the engine is warm, the meter jumps to charging almost immediately
after starting. Seems there's some clever tempreature dependent timing going
on in the glow plug relay.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 There is a fault in the antenna motor controller if the battery goes dead
 -- it must time out when the mast stops (as it does when it's all the way up
 or down, in fact) -- there is no difference between the mast being stuck an
 inch or two up and fully down as far as the guts go.

 Unplug it with the mast all the way up until you can get a replacement.
  They used to be fairly common in junkyards, don't know about that now.
  Same motor for all of them, just the mast post was different.

 Peter
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OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-19 Thread WILTON

'Zackly.

Wilton

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From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna


Better to have an MB with a nice errect antenna, than one with perpetual 
ED.


Walt, who just went there :p
On Feb 19, 2011 10:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

I did and have almost forgotten about it, and I'm not even a hillbilly.
'Not even embarrassed anymore that I drive an MB with an antenna that
stays up all the time. ;

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Lee einer...@yahoo.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna



Thanks for your input, everyone.

The power antenna has bitten me a couple of times now, stopping just
short of fully retracting, causing the motor to run until the battery
died.

It's cute and fun to have the antenna go up and down when I turn the
radio on and off.

But it's a raging PITA when it becomes persnickety.

So I am going with the simpler, perhaps more hillbilly option of
disconnecting the power to the antenna and leaving it extended.

Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-18 Thread Dieselhead

Kaleb should have one .


Sorry for the omission - it's a 1980 300CD.

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

 The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable prices...
 You can also try to get a used unit.  Beware of the generic replacement
 antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same.

 http://www.beckerautosound.com/

 You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what antenna
 you need.

 Jaime


 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote:

 

 My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
 cold had done the battery in.

 But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
 when the car was shut off.

 I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
 turning the worm gear.

 Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
 a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

 Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-18 Thread John Reames
Speaking of them, I have one of the electronic ones (that still has the 
adjustable length, etc), but several of the clips on the cover were broken 
before my stewardship.  

Is there any chance of replacing the cover?

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On Feb 18, 2011, at 9:31, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Kaleb should have one .
 
 Sorry for the omission - it's a 1980 300CD.
 
 Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
 The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable prices...
 You can also try to get a used unit.  Beware of the generic replacement
 antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same.
 
 http://www.beckerautosound.com/
 
 You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what antenna
 you need.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
 cold had done the battery in.
 
 But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
 when the car was shut off.
 
 I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
 turning the worm gear.
 
 Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
 a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?
 
 Lee
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-18 Thread Fred Moir

John.
I have a plastic case complete, with intact clips if you would like it 
for postage.

Number on back 201 820 01 75

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 2/18/2011 1:24 PM, John Reames wrote:

Speaking of them, I have one of the electronic ones (that still has the adjustable 
length, etc), but several of the clips on the cover were broken before my 
stewardship.

Is there any chance of replacing the cover?

--
John W Reames
jwrea...@comcast.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Feb 18, 2011, at 9:31, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com  wrote:

   

Kaleb should have one .

 

Sorry for the omission - it's a 1980 300CD.

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
   

The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable prices...
You can also try to get a used unit.  Beware of the generic replacement
antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same.

http://www.beckerautosound.com/

You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what antenna
you need.

Jaime


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Leeeiner...@yahoo.com  wrote:


 

My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
cold had done the battery in.

But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
when the car was shut off.

I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
turning the worm gear.

Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

Lee








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[MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Lee
My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the 
cold had done the battery in.

But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running 
when the car was shut off.

I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not 
turning the worm gear.

Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for 
a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

Lee






  

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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable prices...
You can also try to get a used unit.  Beware of the generic replacement
antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same.

http://www.beckerautosound.com/

You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what antenna
you need.

Jaime


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
 cold had done the battery in.

 But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
 when the car was shut off.

 I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
 turning the worm gear.

 Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
 a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

 Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Lee
Sorry for the omission - it's a 1980 300CD.

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
 The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable prices...
 You can also try to get a used unit.  Beware of the generic replacement
 antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same.

 http://www.beckerautosound.com/

 You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what antenna
 you need.

 Jaime


 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote:

   
 My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
 cold had done the battery in.

 But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
 when the car was shut off.

 I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
 turning the worm gear.

 Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
 a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

 Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread WILTON
On my '87 300D, I put it up and unplugged the motor.  Yeah, yeah, I know. 
Now, I'm a real Fink.  How dare a REAL MB guy do such?  'Specially a 
stickler for originality?  Well, it bothers me, but not much.   ;)


Wilton

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From: Lee einer...@yahoo.com

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Dead power antenna



My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
cold had done the battery in.

But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
when the car was shut off.

I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
turning the worm gear.

Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

Lee








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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Ah, thats easy then... a U series antenna.  Should be no problem to rebuild
or exchange it by the Becker guys, or find one on eBay.  Its in most cars
1977-1983 I believe.  Models only vary by the length of the neck, but any
from a W123 coupe or sedan should match yours.

Jaime


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sorry for the omission - it's a 1980 300CD.

 Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
  The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable
 prices...
  You can also try to get a used unit.  Beware of the generic replacement
  antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same.
 
  http://www.beckerautosound.com/
 
  You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what
 antenna
  you need.
 
  Jaime
 
 
  On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
  My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
  cold had done the battery in.
 
  But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
  when the car was shut off.
 
  I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
  turning the worm gear.
 
  Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
  a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?
 
  Lee
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Jim Cathey
Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping 
for

a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?


New ones are not available that have the same functionality.
Repair yours, or replace with good used.  There's a cam switch
in yours, no?  (No electronics, just one relay and the cam switch.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond
I've seriously considered unplugging mine for the winter a couple times now. 
When its -15F and the dammed thing won't go up in the morning I get pretty 
annoyed. This year when it did it to me I got halfway to work, flipped the 
antenna switch back and forth and up it went. Last time (2 years ago?) I had to 
get a hairdryer out after I got home...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:25:50 -0500
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna
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On my '87 300D, I put it up and unplugged the motor.  Yeah, yeah, I know. 
Now, I'm a real Fink.  How dare a REAL MB guy do such?  'Specially a 
stickler for originality?  Well, it bothers me, but not much.   ;)

Wilton

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From: Lee einer...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Dead power antenna


 My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
 cold had done the battery in.

 But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
 when the car was shut off.

 I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
 turning the worm gear.

 Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
 a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

 Lee


  
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Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna

2011-02-17 Thread Dieselhead
I got annoyed at the antenna cycling so I unplugged it years ago.  It 
does cut the costs for new masts.


I've seriously considered unplugging mine for the winter a couple 
times now. When its -15F and the dammed thing won't go up in the 
morning I get pretty annoyed. This year when it did it to me I got 
halfway to work, flipped the antenna switch back and forth and up it 
went. Last time (2 years ago?) I had to get a hairdryer out after I 
got home...


-Curt

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:25:50 -0500
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna
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On my '87 300D, I put it up and unplugged the motor.  Yeah, yeah, I know.
Now, I'm a real Fink.  How dare a REAL MB guy do such?  'Specially a
stickler for originality?  Well, it bothers me, but not much.   ;)

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Lee einer...@yahoo.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Dead power antenna



 My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the
 cold had done the battery in.

 But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running
 when the car was shut off.

 I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not
 turning the worm gear.

 Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for
 a new power antenna unit. And if so, where?

 Lee



 
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