Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
yabbut it is a several $100 wrench, which is why I want to avoid having 
to get one if I can, though I probably should at some point.


--FT

On 6/26/19 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
The "fancy computer" is just another wrench. In fact its a very 
important wrench because it means you don't need to shotgun parts.
VW only needs a cable, usually referred to as VCDS, the one I bought 
for my '98 Jetta paid for itself several times over. My '15 Jetta has 
CANBUS and wants a different cable which I probably should have bought 
in the first place (its backward compatible) but I "saved" a little 
money by buying the older type...


-Curt

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 9:26:34 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes  wrote:



It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I
guess there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code
(from the fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending
element of the tranny troubles.

So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if
the leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?

Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT

On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Correct.
>
> OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover 
systems like ACC or transmission.

>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>>
>> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  
I cleared the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy 
computer can clear?

>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>>>
>>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
>>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if 
it shifts.

>>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
>>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do 
anything, see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.

>>>
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 The "fancy computer" is just another wrench. In fact its a very important 
wrench because it means you don't need to shotgun parts.VW only needs a cable, 
usually referred to as VCDS, the one I bought for my '98 Jetta paid for itself 
several times over. My '15 Jetta has CANBUS and wants a different cable which I 
probably should have bought in the first place (its backward compatible) but I 
"saved" a little money by buying the older type...
-Curt

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 9:26:34 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I 
guess there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code 
(from the fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending 
element of the tranny troubles.

So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if 
the leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?

Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT

On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Correct.
>
> OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems 
> like ACC or transmission.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I 
>> cleared the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer 
>> can clear?
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
>>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
>>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
>>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do 
>>> anything, see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I had an email with a 20% code but it expired on 6/23 so I might just 
wait for another email and see if I can save $12.  I'll get the 
connector connected and everything cleaned and see if it drives OK then 
deal with the fluid later.


--FT

On 6/26/19 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

The codes didn't work on oil and sale stuff.
Now I think they don't work on ATF either, but give it a try and see what 
happens.

Any halfway decent shop should have one of these, which I think can clear 722.6 
faults.
I cleared all sorts of old HVAC and body codes from the ML with one, and it 
even displays M112 spark voltage like an oscilloscope.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283524650847

When I wanted to clear the codes in my W140, the local dealer wanted $122 to do a 
computer workup. "Just plug it in and clear everything" was not in their 
vocabulary.
So to save money, I spent $600-800 or something on a Dell 630 and a counterfeit 
wifi SDS, which has been sort of a pain in the ass, should have saved some 
money and bought the older SDS.

Mitch.


On June 26, 2019 at 9:40 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

, looks like these trannies want some Special Sauce "236.14" to be happy
and this works.  I'll have to dig up some of those 20% codes.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
The codes didn't work on oil and sale stuff. 
Now I think they don't work on ATF either, but give it a try and see what 
happens. 

Any halfway decent shop should have one of these, which I think can clear 722.6 
faults. 
I cleared all sorts of old HVAC and body codes from the ML with one, and it 
even displays M112 spark voltage like an oscilloscope. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283524650847

When I wanted to clear the codes in my W140, the local dealer wanted $122 to do 
a computer workup. "Just plug it in and clear everything" was not in their 
vocabulary. 
So to save money, I spent $600-800 or something on a Dell 630 and a counterfeit 
wifi SDS, which has been sort of a pain in the ass, should have saved some 
money and bought the older SDS. 

Mitch.  

> On June 26, 2019 at 9:40 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> , looks like these trannies want some Special Sauce "236.14" to be happy 
> and this works.  I'll have to dig up some of those 20% codes.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Excellent, that is what I want to know!

I'm gonna go buy summadis stuff 
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-maxlife-multi-vehicle-automatic-transmission-fluid-1-gallon-773775/8150020-P 
, looks like these trannies want some Special Sauce "236.14" to be happy 
and this works.  I'll have to dig up some of those 20% codes.


--FT

On 6/26/19 9:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

You’re overthinking this...

The “codes” or errors are snapshots of faults that have occurred in the past or 
are currently present. The system will continue to operate properly in most 
cases, even with a fault code present.

Some faults are “soft” in that if they only happen a few times and don’t 
reoccur they go away. This would be like the CEL you get if your gas cap isn’t 
on tightly, for example.

Faults that meet or exceed a frequency thats not deemed acceptable are “hard” 
faults that don’t go away on their own and need to be cleared by the SDS. And 
example of this might be powering up the car while the airbag is disconnected, 
which results in a hard fault in the SRS system. It may mean that device or 
system is no longer functional.

-D


On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I guess 
there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code (from the 
fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending element of the 
tranny troubles.

So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if the leaky 
connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?

Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT


On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
Correct.

OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems like 
ACC or transmission.

-D


On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
You’re overthinking this...

The “codes” or errors are snapshots of faults that have occurred in the past or 
are currently present. The system will continue to operate properly in most 
cases, even with a fault code present.

Some faults are “soft” in that if they only happen a few times and don’t 
reoccur they go away. This would be like the CEL you get if your gas cap isn’t 
on tightly, for example.

Faults that meet or exceed a frequency thats not deemed acceptable are “hard” 
faults that don’t go away on their own and need to be cleared by the SDS. And 
example of this might be powering up the car while the airbag is disconnected, 
which results in a hard fault in the SRS system. It may mean that device or 
system is no longer functional.

-D

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I guess 
> there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code (from the 
> fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending element of the 
> tranny troubles.
> 
> So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if the 
> leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?
> 
> Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Correct.
>> 
>> OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems 
>> like ACC or transmission.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I 
>>> cleared the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer 
>>> can clear?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
 replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
 if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
 If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do 
 anything, see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.
 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I 
guess there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code 
(from the fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending 
element of the tranny troubles.


So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if 
the leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?


Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT

On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Correct.

OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems like 
ACC or transmission.

-D


On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
That is correct 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
> the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
>> see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Correct.

OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems like 
ACC or transmission.

-D

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
> the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
>> see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
> see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The conductor plate has absolutely nothing to do with keeping oil in.
That's all part of the connector assembly, and its seals.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-25 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
That will be a great deal, if you can solve this with a new conductor plate
or connector and a fluid / filter change.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 8:54 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I looked at another coupla vids of replacing the conductor plate, it
> seems like the electrical connector thingie is what seals it up, one
> o-ring into the conductor plate electrical socket and the other seals
> against the transmission body and the fluid is contained between the 2
> o-rings.
>
> I'm gonna drop the pan and just go ahead and replace the fluid and
> filter, at least that will be done.
>
> The car is surprisingly clean underneath, I guess maybe he detailed it
> before he tried to sell it.  :Looks like a bit of PS fluid dripping but
> nothing too bad, there are some new tranny cooler hoses in there, the
> vehicle looks pretty well maintained (aside from this issue).
>
> --FT
>
> On 6/25/19 8:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > I pulled off the electrical connector (easy on the ML, fair amount of
> > room to work in there) and there was a lot of fluid in there.  I
> > sopped up what I could up in the transmission hole where the
> > connectors are, coming off the conductor plate it looks like. I
> > sprayed contact cleaner in there too but it seems to keep leaking out
> > fluid and it is not particularly clean either.  I'm wondering if this
> > guy I bought it from actually changed the conductor plate like he
> > said.  I'm not quite sure why it would keep leaking. Looking at pics
> > of the conductor plate I don't see how it seals up against the
> > transmission body where it goes out the hole, there don't appear to be
> > any orings in there.
> >
> > Any thoughts on why it is leaking out the transmission hole?  Are the
> > o-rings in the connector (I have a new one but the old one looked OK)
> > what keeps things from leaking?
> >
> > I don't think it wicked up the wires but I will pull the TCU and look
> > at it too after I sort this aspect out.
> >
> > The fluid looked dirty and nasty, I'm wondering if I should just drop
> > the pan and drain out the fluid and pulled the valve body and take a
> > look at the conductor plate and see exactly what is going on?  I see
> > new ones plus filter, gasket and connector for $80 on Amazon, some
> > generic part I am thinking but since there are so many of these things
> > out there I guess it would be OK.  Although I do have a filter and
> > connector already, just the conductor plate is only $7 less.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-25 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I looked at another coupla vids of replacing the conductor plate, it 
seems like the electrical connector thingie is what seals it up, one 
o-ring into the conductor plate electrical socket and the other seals 
against the transmission body and the fluid is contained between the 2 
o-rings.


I'm gonna drop the pan and just go ahead and replace the fluid and 
filter, at least that will be done.


The car is surprisingly clean underneath, I guess maybe he detailed it 
before he tried to sell it.  :Looks like a bit of PS fluid dripping but 
nothing too bad, there are some new tranny cooler hoses in there, the 
vehicle looks pretty well maintained (aside from this issue).


--FT

On 6/25/19 8:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I pulled off the electrical connector (easy on the ML, fair amount of 
room to work in there) and there was a lot of fluid in there.  I 
sopped up what I could up in the transmission hole where the 
connectors are, coming off the conductor plate it looks like. I 
sprayed contact cleaner in there too but it seems to keep leaking out 
fluid and it is not particularly clean either.  I'm wondering if this 
guy I bought it from actually changed the conductor plate like he 
said.  I'm not quite sure why it would keep leaking. Looking at pics 
of the conductor plate I don't see how it seals up against the 
transmission body where it goes out the hole, there don't appear to be 
any orings in there.


Any thoughts on why it is leaking out the transmission hole?  Are the 
o-rings in the connector (I have a new one but the old one looked OK) 
what keeps things from leaking?


I don't think it wicked up the wires but I will pull the TCU and look 
at it too after I sort this aspect out.


The fluid looked dirty and nasty, I'm wondering if I should just drop 
the pan and drain out the fluid and pulled the valve body and take a 
look at the conductor plate and see exactly what is going on?  I see 
new ones plus filter, gasket and connector for $80 on Amazon, some 
generic part I am thinking but since there are so many of these things 
out there I guess it would be OK.  Although I do have a filter and 
connector already, just the conductor plate is only $7 less.




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[MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

2019-06-25 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I pulled off the electrical connector (easy on the ML, fair amount of 
room to work in there) and there was a lot of fluid in there.  I sopped 
up what I could up in the transmission hole where the connectors are, 
coming off the conductor plate it looks like. I sprayed contact cleaner 
in there too but it seems to keep leaking out fluid and it is not 
particularly clean either.  I'm wondering if this guy I bought it from 
actually changed the conductor plate like he said.  I'm not quite sure 
why it would keep leaking.  Looking at pics of the conductor plate I 
don't see how it seals up against the transmission body where it goes 
out the hole, there don't appear to be any orings in there.


Any thoughts on why it is leaking out the transmission hole?  Are the 
o-rings in the connector (I have a new one but the old one looked OK) 
what keeps things from leaking?


I don't think it wicked up the wires but I will pull the TCU and look at 
it too after I sort this aspect out.


The fluid looked dirty and nasty, I'm wondering if I should just drop 
the pan and drain out the fluid and pulled the valve body and take a 
look at the conductor plate and see exactly what is going on?  I see new 
ones plus filter, gasket and connector for $80 on Amazon, some generic 
part I am thinking but since there are so many of these things out there 
I guess it would be OK.  Although I do have a filter and connector 
already, just the conductor plate is only $7 less.


--
--FT


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