Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thats why we call them STEALERships!

OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 8:30 PM:

Very interesting! I wonder if it was a Ford suggestion to recover some
revenue? I gave the dealership a failing grade on the survey afterwards,
got a call from the service manager, and told him that I would never be
back.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Interesting. When I had my 2013 F150 transmission re-programmed for the
2nd time back in July, they told me I was due for brakes too. I really
should have a look and see if they are getting worn. I have driven
another 5K miles since and do not hear any brake noises so can't be too
bad yet, but I am about to put the winter tires on so will have a look
then.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Very interesting! I wonder if it was a Ford suggestion to recover some
revenue? I gave the dealership a failing grade on the survey afterwards,
got a call from the service manager, and told him that I would never be
back.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Interesting. When I had my 2013 F150 transmission re-programmed for the
> 2nd time back in July, they told me I was due for brakes too. I really
> should have a look and see if they are getting worn. I have driven
> another 5K miles since and do not hear any brake noises so can't be too
> bad yet, but I am about to put the winter tires on so will have a look
> then.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If it was an older one from the 80s it wouldn’t be a problem other than 
sourcing parts, I would expect. They were pretty analog at that time.

-D


> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 16/10/2019 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Not really - it’s truly a viable option if he had the $$. To be honest, he 
>> probably does have the coin but isn’t willing to spend that much on a 
>> vehicle…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
> And having it repaired out in the boonies would likely pose a problem unless 
> he could do most of it himself.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 16/10/2019 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not really - it’s truly a viable option if he had the $$. To be honest, he 
probably does have the coin but isn’t willing to spend that much on a vehicle…

-D



And having it repaired out in the boonies would likely pose a problem 
unless he could do most of it himself.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not really - it’s truly a viable option if he had the $$. To be honest, he 
probably does have the coin but isn’t willing to spend that much on a vehicle…

-D


> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> I know. I was just being a smart ass!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely. But that’s out of his budget range, unfortunately.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I have the perfect vehicle for your son! Are you ready? Ok, here goes:
>>> 
>>> A vintage G-wagen!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I know. I was just being a smart ass!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Absolutely. But that’s out of his budget range, unfortunately.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I have the perfect vehicle for your son! Are you ready? Ok, here goes:
>> 
>> A vintage G-wagen!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> AH - the dealer. Last time I took the F150 to the dealer for a recall
>>> (reprogramming the shift down computer, the second time), the techs told me
>>> I needed new brakes REAL soon. I said thank you, drove home, pulled two
>>> wheels and measured the pads - they were barely worn from new specs. The
>>> time before that, another recall visit, they told me that the battery was
>>> almost dead and needed to be replaced before it stranded me somewhere. That
>>> I partly believed because the truck sits most of the time - I drive it on
>>> average every 10 days or so - and I had not been putting it on a charger. I
>>> now use batteryminder
>>> 
>>> on it every time after I drive it - the six year old battery is still doing
>>> fine.
>>> So - I would ALWAYS at least get a second opinion on any service/repair
>>> offered by the dealer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups
 last a long time".
 But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco
 went 300k", or "the transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even
 "the transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 150k", although with
 additional knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related
 failure in Mitch's W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6
 and a cheap fix if caught early". For all I know, a Toyota enthusiast would
 have fixed Byron's truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420
 trans.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
>>> -- 
>>> OK Don
>>> 
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
>>> 
>>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely. But that’s out of his budget range, unfortunately.

-D


> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I have the perfect vehicle for your son! Are you ready? Ok, here goes:
> 
> A vintage G-wagen!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> AH - the dealer. Last time I took the F150 to the dealer for a recall
>> (reprogramming the shift down computer, the second time), the techs told me
>> I needed new brakes REAL soon. I said thank you, drove home, pulled two
>> wheels and measured the pads - they were barely worn from new specs. The
>> time before that, another recall visit, they told me that the battery was
>> almost dead and needed to be replaced before it stranded me somewhere. That
>> I partly believed because the truck sits most of the time - I drive it on
>> average every 10 days or so - and I had not been putting it on a charger. I
>> now use batteryminder
>> 
>> on it every time after I drive it - the six year old battery is still doing
>> fine.
>> So - I would ALWAYS at least get a second opinion on any service/repair
>> offered by the dealer.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups
>>> last a long time".
>>> But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco
>>> went 300k", or "the transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even
>>> "the transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 150k", although with
>>> additional knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related
>>> failure in Mitch's W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6
>>> and a cheap fix if caught early". For all I know, a Toyota enthusiast would
>>> have fixed Byron's truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420
>>> trans.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
>>> 
>> -- 
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 16/10/2019 12:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

AH - the dealer. Last time I took the F150 to the dealer for a recall
(reprogramming the shift down computer, the second time), the techs told me
I needed new brakes REAL soon. I said thank you, drove home, pulled two
wheels and measured the pads - they were barely worn from new specs. The
time before that, another recall visit, they told me that the battery was
almost dead and needed to be replaced before it stranded me somewhere. That
I partly believed because the truck sits most of the time - I drive it on
average every 10 days or so - and I had not been putting it on a charger. I
now use batteryminder

on it every time after I drive it - the six year old battery is still doing
fine.
So - I would ALWAYS at least get a second opinion on any service/repair
offered by the dealer.


Interesting. When I had my 2013 F150 transmission re-programmed for the 
2nd time back in July, they told me I was due for brakes too. I really 
should have a look and see if they are getting worn. I have driven 
another 5K miles since and do not hear any brake noises so can't be too 
bad yet, but I am about to put the winter tires on so will have a look then.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Ok, I have the perfect vehicle for your son! Are you ready? Ok, here goes:

A vintage G-wagen!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> AH - the dealer. Last time I took the F150 to the dealer for a recall
> (reprogramming the shift down computer, the second time), the techs told me
> I needed new brakes REAL soon. I said thank you, drove home, pulled two
> wheels and measured the pads - they were barely worn from new specs. The
> time before that, another recall visit, they told me that the battery was
> almost dead and needed to be replaced before it stranded me somewhere. That
> I partly believed because the truck sits most of the time - I drive it on
> average every 10 days or so - and I had not been putting it on a charger. I
> now use batteryminder
> 
> on it every time after I drive it - the six year old battery is still doing
> fine.
> So - I would ALWAYS at least get a second opinion on any service/repair
> offered by the dealer.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups
>> last a long time".
>> But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco
>> went 300k", or "the transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even
>> "the transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 150k", although with
>> additional knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related
>> failure in Mitch's W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6
>> and a cheap fix if caught early". For all I know, a Toyota enthusiast would
>> have fixed Byron's truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420
>> trans.
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

AH - the dealer. Last time I took the F150 to the dealer for a recall
(reprogramming the shift down computer, the second time), the techs told me
I needed new brakes REAL soon. I said thank you, drove home, pulled two
wheels and measured the pads - they were barely worn from new specs. The
time before that, another recall visit, they told me that the battery was
almost dead and needed to be replaced before it stranded me somewhere. That
I partly believed because the truck sits most of the time - I drive it on
average every 10 days or so - and I had not been putting it on a charger. I
now use batteryminder

on it every time after I drive it - the six year old battery is still doing
fine.
So - I would ALWAYS at least get a second opinion on any service/repair
offered by the dealer.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups
> last a long time".
> But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco
> went 300k", or "the transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even
> "the transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 150k", although with
> additional knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related
> failure in Mitch's W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6
> and a cheap fix if caught early". For all I know, a Toyota enthusiast would
> have fixed Byron's truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420
> trans.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Dad had a few stories about stuff that happened in GM plants, but it wasn’t 
first hand so it’s tough to know if it was true or just anecdotal.

I once worked with an older guy in the 80s who worked on the line at Studebaker 
before they shut down. He told stories of how after it was announced that they 
were closing there were guys on the line who were taking dumps in the doors 
before they finished them.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Was it rusting out by the time you got home? Was there a tuna sandwich in the 
> door?
> I'd like to know how many of the stories of labor influenced disasters of 
> that period are true.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
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> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> As I recall, it was.
> 
> While the Córdoba was probably the pinnacle of crappy Detroit iron of time, 
> it was a really nice car as I recall.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > BUT, BUT, Was it RICH Corinthian Leather?
> > 
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 4:15 AM:
> >> My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved 
> >> to Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…
> >> 
> >> His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had 
> >> more chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with 
> >> rollers instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. 
> >> Anyway, he took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two 
> >> siblings.) I believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he 
> >> sold it he was so proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking 
> >> beautiful the day he sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere 
> >> that I recall.
> >> 
> >> The car he bought to replace it?
> >> 
> >> 1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau 
> >> top.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Was it rusting out by the time you got home? Was there a tuna sandwich in the 
door?I'd like to know how many of the stories of labor influenced disasters of 
that period are true.

Curt

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  On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:   As I recall, it was.

While the Córdoba was probably the pinnacle of crappy Detroit iron of time, it 
was a really nice car as I recall.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BUT, BUT, Was it RICH Corinthian Leather?
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 4:15 AM:
>> My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved to 
>> Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…
>> 
>> His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had 
>> more chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with 
>> rollers instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. 
>> Anyway, he took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two 
>> siblings.) I believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he sold 
>> it he was so proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking 
>> beautiful the day he sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere 
>> that I recall.
>> 
>> The car he bought to replace it?
>> 
>> 1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau top.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Toyota is a big player in Trophy truck racing. Big output engines, huge travel 
suspension, off-road at highway speeds...
I didn't like the Tacoma when we drove them before buying our Dodge. The swiss 
cheese frame debacle awhile ago didn't impress me either. That said there is a 
reason the Hilux is the default pickup in the rest of the world. Outside of 
North America you never see an F150...
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Yeah the TRD is funny. Toyota Racing 
Development my arse. Who races garbage Toyota pickups anyway?

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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've always thought it very humorous that toada brands their peekups as tacky 
> and turd.
> 
> Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 10:46 AM:
>> Yeah, I’ve never understood why a Japanese branded pickup was named after a 
>> Western Washington city other than Toyota and Tacoma both have 3 syllables. 
>> And they left the U out of TRD.
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, .OR
>> 1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

As I recall, it was.

While the Córdoba was probably the pinnacle of crappy Detroit iron of time, it 
was a really nice car as I recall.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BUT, BUT, Was it RICH Corinthian Leather?
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 4:15 AM:
>> My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved to 
>> Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…
>> 
>> His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had 
>> more chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with 
>> rollers instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. 
>> Anyway, he took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two 
>> siblings.) I believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he sold 
>> it he was so proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking 
>> beautiful the day he sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere 
>> that I recall.
>> 
>> The car he bought to replace it?
>> 
>> 1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau top.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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On 16/10/2019 10:16 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

The true test of one of those Asian crapboxes is how well they and the 
occupants hold up in an accident.



Sadly, most North American pickup trucks did not have a very good crash 
rating until fairly recently either. I know my '02 Ford Supercrew was 
not considered very good. My '13 Supercrew is much better. Hope I never 
get to test that.


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Exactly!

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On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:59 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one?
> 
> A friend had one he traded in on a Ford f150. It had about 400k miles on it. 
> It needed very few repairs, if any. They are very sound pick-ups. They have a 
> very commanding resale value too.
> 
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[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

The true test of one of those Asian crapboxes is how well they and the 
occupants hold up in an accident. 

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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 4:32 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long should it last to be 
> considered good?
> As long as a Mercedes?
> 
> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since new. Like she stole it (80 mph 
> +). $22K for a 4 door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
> 
> Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One COP and the rear wheel 
> bearings at 290K. Replaced the belts and hoses twice just because. That's 
> it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?
> 
> Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had so little work needed done 
> to them over 330K miles which is what it has on it. Still doesn't leak or 
> burn oil.
> 
> Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to get it up to not even near 
> that good a condition.
> 
> Get one of them and run it and see how good it is before you run them down on 
> the say so of idiots that use a vehicle without any maintenance done to it 
> and expect it to last a million miles without an oil change.
> 
> Bunch of wankers!
> 
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even 
>> though it’s also cheap crap.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never 
>>> stuck here in the US.
>>> 
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via 
>>> Mercedes wrote:   Again, read my original post. I 
>>> would raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I 
>>> mean.
>>> 
>>> This too, will pass.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards 
 to find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the ocean they 
 rusted top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
> 
> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a 
> PM and I’ll pass it along.
> 
> -D
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Good one!

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>> Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even 
>> though it’s also cheap crap.
> 
> I think our guest workers may like them so much because the model name starts 
> with "Taco".
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yeah the TRD is funny. Toyota Racing Development my arse. Who races garbage 
Toyota pickups anyway?

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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've always thought it very humorous that toada brands their peekups as tacky 
> and turd.
> 
> Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 10:46 AM:
>> Yeah, I’ve never understood why a Japanese branded pickup was named after a 
>> Western Washington city other than Toyota and Tacoma both have 3 syllables. 
>> And they left the U out of TRD.
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, .OR
>> 1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

BUT, BUT, Was it RICH Corinthian Leather?

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 4:15 AM:

My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved to 
Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…

His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had more 
chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with rollers 
instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. Anyway, he 
took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two siblings.) I 
believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he sold it he was so 
proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking beautiful the day he 
sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere that I recall.

The car he bought to replace it?

1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau top.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved to 
Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…

His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had more 
chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with rollers 
instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. Anyway, he 
took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two siblings.) I 
believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he sold it he was so 
proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking beautiful the day he 
sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere that I recall.

The car he bought to replace it? 

1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau top.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a friend who had a 67 galaxie when I met him.   I believe his parents 
> bought it new.  He got over 300 k with it.  He replaces each frod with 
> another.  Each one got over 300k.  BTW he was an A when I met him, working 
> on a degree in Aero E.   Since he gradgitated, he has worked for a major 
> aircraft mfgr.   He takes fastidious car of each car, as Manfred does.
> 
> We thought it was a big deal when the 65 chevey got to 250k back in 1972 or 
> so.   300k on a domestic car was unheard of back then, but he did it.
> 
> Now the shovey was a used one.   Most used cars had the odo rolled back in 
> those days.   Who knows if this one did or didn't.   But care and type of 
> driving make a bigger difference than brand, or name or engine.
> 
> Kinda majik how domestic cars that rarely made it to 200k routinely go 250k 
> to 350k as soon as carfax and such made hiding the odo rollback difficult.   
> But the 6 cyl engines GM made in the mid 60s were crap, as the bigwigs were 
> trying to kill off the 6 cyl.
> 
> 
> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 5:52 PM:
>> Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups last 
>> a long time".
>> But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco 
>> went 300k", or "the transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even 
>> "the transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 150k", although with 
>> additional knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related 
>> failure in Mitch's W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6 
>> and a cheap fix if caught early". For all I know, a Toyota enthusiast would 
>> have fixed Byron's truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420 
>> trans.
>>   Mitch.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I have a friend who had a 67 galaxie when I met him.   I believe his 
parents bought it new.  He got over 300 k with it.  He replaces each 
frod with another.  Each one got over 300k.  BTW he was an A when I 
met him, working on a degree in Aero E.   Since he gradgitated, he has 
worked for a major aircraft mfgr.   He takes fastidious car of each car, 
as Manfred does.


We thought it was a big deal when the 65 chevey got to 250k back in 1972 
or so.   300k on a domestic car was unheard of back then, but he did it.


Now the shovey was a used one.   Most used cars had the odo rolled back 
in those days.   Who knows if this one did or didn't.   But care and 
type of driving make a bigger difference than brand, or name or engine.


Kinda majik how domestic cars that rarely made it to 200k routinely go 
250k to 350k as soon as carfax and such made hiding the odo rollback 
difficult.   But the 6 cyl engines GM made in the mid 60s were crap, as 
the bigwigs were trying to kill off the 6 cyl.




Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 5:52 PM:

Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups last a long 
time".
But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco went 300k", or "the 
transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even "the transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 
150k", although with additional knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related failure in 
Mitch's W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6 and a cheap fix if caught early". For all I know, a 
Toyota enthusiast would have fixed Byron's truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420 trans.
   
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> The VW Dasher and Quantum are other good examples of naming
> weirdness. Why they thought Americans wouldn't buy a Passat I'll
> never know... 

Maybe they hung out with the MBUSA folks and smoke the same stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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>Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one?

A friend had one he traded in on a Ford f150. It had about 400k miles on it. It 
needed very few repairs, if any. They are very sound pick-ups. They have a very 
commanding resale value too.


Rick
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Sounds more like "Manfred's cars last a long time" than "Toyota pickups last a 
long time".
But we can't read a lot into individual cars anyway, like "Manfred's Taco went 
300k", or "the transmission in Byron's Taco didn't make 150k", or even "the 
transmission in Mitch's W140 didn't make 150k", although with additional 
knowledge we can say "the connector that had an oil related failure in Mitch's 
W140 trans at 145k is a common failure point for 722.6 and a cheap fix if 
caught early". For all I know, a Toyota enthusiast would have fixed Byron's 
truck with a $15 part and 2 gallons of ATF, like my S420 trans.
  
Mitch.

> On October 15, 2019 at 5:30 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> That said all our cars that we bought at new or 
> near new, 94 Chevy Astro, 78 Jeep Cherokee, 69 VW 
> beetle, all did over 300k miles. Some more then 
> others and all except the Beetle without major 
> work. I rebuilt the beetle engine once but I was 
> rather hard on it at the time.

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Scion, like Saturn, was meant to sell for no-haggle MSRP.

> On October 15, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I gave some serious thought to an xB when they first came out, but the 
> dealers wouldn’t deal on them because of the demand. I figured it would be a 
> good cheep commuter car. Only thing I didn’t care for was the dash and parts 
> of the interior were really cheap and plasticky.

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[MG via Mercedes]

damn straight I will when I get fed up with 
garbage from people who have never owned one.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

Wow! Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.

Randy


On 15/10/2019 3:32 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long should it last to be 
considered good?

As long as a Mercedes?

My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since new. Like she stole it 
(80 mph +). $22K for a 4 door 2wd with a lid on the bed.


Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One COP and the rear 
wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced the belts and hoses twice just 
because. That's it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?


Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had so little work 
needed done to them over 330K miles which is what it has on it. Still 
doesn't leak or burn oil.


Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to get it up to not 
even near that good a condition.


Get one of them and run it and see how good it is before you run them 
down on the say so of idiots that use a vehicle without any 
maintenance done to it and expect it to last a million miles without 
an oil change.


Bunch of wankers!




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[MG via Mercedes]

right but you don't know what was done to it or 
how it was serviced. Just because it was dealer 
serviced does not mean it was done right. I did 
all the service on our Tacoma so all I can say is 
that either we got very lucky and got a good car 
or there is something that went on with your 
neighbors car that no one is telling.


That said all our cars that we bought at new or 
near new, 94 Chevy Astro, 78 Jeep Cherokee, 69 VW 
beetle, all did over 300k miles. Some more then 
others and all except the Beetle without major 
work. I rebuilt the beetle engine once but I was 
rather hard on it at the time.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

My next door neighbor traded his Taco a year or two ago when the dealer wanted 
to replace the transmission on it. I'm not sure how well maintained it was, but 
it was dealer serviced, not driven much, and until the last two years of its 
life the neighbor's fastidious ex boyfriend had a hand in the maintenance of 
vehicles and lawn equipment. I can't imagine a trans service being skipped when 
he was around. Unfortunately the guy didn't fit in a 2018 Taco, so he had to 
buy a Tundra this time around (he buys only Toyota/Scion and has way over 200k 
on his xB, but he's still unhappy about the Taco letting him down)
Mitch

On October 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:


Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long 
should it last to be considered good?

As long as a Mercedes?

My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since 
new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4 
door 2wd with a lid on the bed.




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Some similar options:
https://m.facebook.com/search/top/?q=datsun%20pickup=content_filter=0.6612099121608328=typeahead

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 5:10 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> My point precisely. If you think the Grand Canyon is forbidding, remote or
> unimproved, you need to recalibrate your definitions of those terms. If a
> bunch of Bedouin with no formal mechanical training can run these things in
> the open desert, to the near exclusion of any other sort of vehicle at all,
> for decades, it speaks volumes about the efficiency, reliability and
> repairability of said trucks. Not to mention that they are lightweight and
> easy to get unstuck with a sand ladder or two. They are basically a Willys
> jeep without 4wd, only better. Parts are literally everywhere. The
> Datsun/Nissan equivalent is also a fine vehicle.
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 4:33 PM MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long
>> should it last to be considered good?
>> As long as a Mercedes?
>>
>> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since
>> new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4
>> door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
>>
>> Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One
>> COP and the rear wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced
>> the belts and hoses twice just because. That's
>> it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?
>>
>> Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had
>> so little work needed done to them over 330K miles
>> which is what it has on it. Still doesn't leak or
>> burn oil.
>>
>> Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to
>> get it up to not even near that good a condition.
>>
>> Get one of them and run it and see how good it is
>> before you run them down on the say so of idiots
>> that use a vehicle without any maintenance done to
>> it and expect it to last a million miles without
>> an oil change.
>>
>> Bunch of wankers!
>>
>>
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting
>> even though it’s also cheap crap.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name
>> never stuck here in the US.
>> >>
>> >> Curt
>> >>
>> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >>
>> >>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Again, read my original post. I would
>> raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.
>> >>
>> >> This too, will pass.
>> >>
>> >> -D
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most
>> junkyards to find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the
>> ocean they rusted top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>>  Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me
>> to put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
>> got.
>> 
>>  Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop
>> me a PM and I’ll pass it along.
>> 
>>  -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

My point precisely. If you think the Grand Canyon is forbidding, remote or
unimproved, you need to recalibrate your definitions of those terms. If a
bunch of Bedouin with no formal mechanical training can run these things in
the open desert, to the near exclusion of any other sort of vehicle at all,
for decades, it speaks volumes about the efficiency, reliability and
repairability of said trucks. Not to mention that they are lightweight and
easy to get unstuck with a sand ladder or two. They are basically a Willys
jeep without 4wd, only better. Parts are literally everywhere. The
Datsun/Nissan equivalent is also a fine vehicle.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 4:33 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:

> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long
> should it last to be considered good?
> As long as a Mercedes?
>
> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since
> new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4
> door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
>
> Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One
> COP and the rear wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced
> the belts and hoses twice just because. That's
> it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?
>
> Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had
> so little work needed done to them over 330K miles
> which is what it has on it. Still doesn't leak or
> burn oil.
>
> Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to
> get it up to not even near that good a condition.
>
> Get one of them and run it and see how good it is
> before you run them down on the say so of idiots
> that use a vehicle without any maintenance done to
> it and expect it to last a million miles without
> an oil change.
>
> Bunch of wankers!
>
>
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> > Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even
> though it’s also cheap crap.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never
> stuck here in the US.
> >>
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Again, read my original post. I would
> raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.
> >>
> >> This too, will pass.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most
> junkyards to find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the
> ocean they rusted top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
> >>>
> >>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>  Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
> got.
> 
>  Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop
> me a PM and I’ll pass it along.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I gave some serious thought to an xB when they first came out, but the dealers 
wouldn’t deal on them because of the demand. I figured it would be a good cheep 
commuter car. Only thing I didn’t care for was the dash and parts of the 
interior were really cheap and plasticky.

-D


> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My next door neighbor traded his Taco a year or two ago when the dealer 
> wanted to replace the transmission on it. I'm not sure how well maintained it 
> was, but it was dealer serviced, not driven much, and until the last two 
> years of its life the neighbor's fastidious ex boyfriend had a hand in the 
> maintenance of vehicles and lawn equipment. I can't imagine a trans service 
> being skipped when he was around. Unfortunately the guy didn't fit in a 2018 
> Taco, so he had to buy a Tundra this time around (he buys only Toyota/Scion 
> and has way over 200k on his xB, but he's still unhappy about the Taco 
> letting him down)
> Mitch
>> On October 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long 
>> should it last to be considered good?
>> As long as a Mercedes?
>> 
>> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since 
>> new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4 
>> door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
>> 
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My next door neighbor traded his Taco a year or two ago when the dealer wanted 
to replace the transmission on it. I'm not sure how well maintained it was, but 
it was dealer serviced, not driven much, and until the last two years of its 
life the neighbor's fastidious ex boyfriend had a hand in the maintenance of 
vehicles and lawn equipment. I can't imagine a trans service being skipped when 
he was around. Unfortunately the guy didn't fit in a 2018 Taco, so he had to 
buy a Tundra this time around (he buys only Toyota/Scion and has way over 200k 
on his xB, but he's still unhappy about the Taco letting him down)
Mitch
> On October 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long 
> should it last to be considered good?
> As long as a Mercedes?
> 
> My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since 
> new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4 
> door 2wd with a lid on the bed.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Wow! Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.

Randy


On 15/10/2019 3:32 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long should it last to be 
considered good?

As long as a Mercedes?

My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since new. Like she stole it 
(80 mph +). $22K for a 4 door 2wd with a lid on the bed.


Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One COP and the rear 
wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced the belts and hoses twice just 
because. That's it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?


Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had so little work 
needed done to them over 330K miles which is what it has on it. Still 
doesn't leak or burn oil.


Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to get it up to not 
even near that good a condition.


Get one of them and run it and see how good it is before you run them 
down on the say so of idiots that use a vehicle without any 
maintenance done to it and expect it to last a million miles without 
an oil change.


Bunch of wankers!




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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[MG via Mercedes]

Holy Sh-t people have you ever had one? How long 
should it last to be considered good?

As long as a Mercedes?

My wife has driven an 03 4cyl 2wd Tacoma since 
new. Like she stole it (80 mph +). $22K for a 4 
door 2wd with a lid on the bed.


Had oil changes every 5000mi. Repairs you ask? One 
COP and the rear wheel bearings at 290K. Replaced 
the belts and hoses twice just because. That's 
it!!! Has any of your cars needed so little?


Show me any of your Mercedes or mine that have had 
so little work needed done to them over 330K miles 
which is what it has on it. Still doesn't leak or 
burn oil.


Hell! I put more than that into my 83 Mercedes to 
get it up to not even near that good a condition.


Get one of them and run it and see how good it is 
before you run them down on the say so of idiots 
that use a vehicle without any maintenance done to 
it and expect it to last a million miles without 
an oil change.


Bunch of wankers!


Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even though 
it’s also cheap crap.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never stuck 
here in the US.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 


 On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Again, read my original post. I would 
raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.

This too, will pass.

-D



On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards to 
find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the ocean they rusted 
top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:

Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.

Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM and 
I’ll pass it along.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Like George Bush?

https://youtu.be/ljrIFqbmKp8

-D



> On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even 
>> though it’s also cheap crap.
> 
> I think our guest workers may like them so much because the model name starts 
> with "Taco".
> 
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:07:11 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> >Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting
> >even though it’s also cheap crap.
> 
> I think our guest workers may like them so much because the model name
> starts with "Taco".

As in, "Make me a taco, ma!"


Craig

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even 
>though it’s also cheap crap.

I think our guest workers may like them so much because the model name starts 
with "Taco".


Rick
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[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Because Hilux sounds like cheap crap. Tacoma sounds more enchanting even though 
it’s also cheap crap.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never stuck 
> here in the US.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Again, read my original post. I 
> would raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I 
> mean.
> 
> This too, will pass.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards to 
>> find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the ocean they rusted 
>> top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>>> and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Given my understanding of the situation, getting _anything_ exotic would be 
stupid.
Buy whatever 4wd that meets your needs that the region is dripping with, but 
avoiding
lemon models, and Just Drive.  Save the exotics for secondary toys.

-- Jim


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly my point.

-D


> On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> A half junk Wrangler still brings $4-5000. Same price buys a much more useful 
> and less junky pickup.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

How about Nissan and their Qashqai?

Translation is supposedly, "A horse with a white forehead".

Randy

On 15/10/2019 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The VW Dasher and Quantum are other good examples of naming weirdness. Why they 
thought Americans wouldn't buy a Passat I'll never know...
Curt




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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Acronym for Toyota Racing Development, I believe.

Randy


On 15/10/2019 11:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I have to wonder who came up with the “TRD” thing, as they probably weren’t 
that familiar with the English language or slang terms.

-D





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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A half junk Wrangler still brings $4-5000. Same price buys a much more useful 
and less junky pickup.
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   If the service aspect wasn’t an issue 
I would suggest an ML. I think they would do fairly well in that environment.

Jeeps are stupid expensive. A coworker just bought a new one and it’s so tarted 
up I can’t imagine stuff staying in place if they took it off-road.

-D

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bet a Jeep Scrambler has future collector potential.
> 
> Oops, they already want more than 20k for those things.
> Tell him to get a rusty ML55 and chop it down into a dune buggy.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On October 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> He’s been in the pickup truck mode for a while,
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

He might find it a fair bit easier to find a 4Runner which would be 
about the same in running gear. I had a 95 which is the 2nd generation 
and apart from rusting, it was fairly decent. The 3rd generation has 
more power, and more interior space. If he can find one in AZ that might 
avoid the rust issues.


I had a 70 Hilux back in about 74 and sold it in 75. It was a neat 
little truck but had a very small cab. Not much legroom.


Randy

On 13/10/2019 7:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.

Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM and 
I’ll pass it along.

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The VW Dasher and Quantum are other good examples of naming weirdness. Why they 
thought Americans wouldn't buy a Passat I'll never know...
Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:46 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote:  
 Yeah, I’ve never understood why a Japanese branded pickup was named after a 
Western Washington city other than Toyota and Tacoma both have 3 syllables. And 
they left the U out of TRD.  
Kevin in Hillsboro, .OR
1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never 
> stuck here in the US.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via 
>Mercedes wrote:  Again, read my original post. I would 
>raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.
> 
> This too, will pass.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards to 
>> find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the ocean they rusted 
>> top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>>> and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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I have to wonder who came up with the “TRD” thing, as they probably weren’t 
that familiar with the English language or slang terms.

-D


 
> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've always thought it very humorous that toada brands their peekups as tacky 
> and turd.
> 
> Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 10:46 AM:
>> Yeah, I’ve never understood why a Japanese branded pickup was named after a 
>> Western Washington city other than Toyota and Tacoma both have 3 syllables. 
>> And they left the U out of TRD.
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, .OR
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Back around 1970, J I Case had a proving ground near their backhoe and 
bulldozer plant at Burlington.  One of the guys who worked there drove a 
220Sb.  The employees would have offroad races around the place.  Think 
motocross in a car.    The 220Sb won almost all the time, according to 
what he told me.   220Sb won the Argentine grand prix, (which is pretty 
much offroad) in the 60s.


My 190Dc was far better on crappy pothole/washboard tracks than any 
merkun car or truck.


If he could fix it himself, a ML is probably as good a choice as any. 
But if someone else has to work on it, then you are on the right track, Dan



Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 10:47 AM:

If the service aspect wasn’t an issue I would suggest an ML. I think they would 
do fairly well in that environment.

Jeeps are stupid expensive. A coworker just bought a new one and it’s so tarted 
up I can’t imagine stuff staying in place if they took it off-road.

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've always thought it very humorous that toada brands their peekups as 
tacky and turd.


Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 10:46 AM:

Yeah, I’ve never understood why a Japanese branded pickup was named after a 
Western Washington city other than Toyota and Tacoma both have 3 syllables. And 
they left the U out of TRD.
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They sold the little crapboxes as hilux in the USA for decades.   The 
bowties renamed it tacky because the hilux had a reputation for melting 
into iron oxide before your eyes.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 10/15/19 10:28 AM:

A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never stuck 
here in the US.

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If the service aspect wasn’t an issue I would suggest an ML. I think they would 
do fairly well in that environment.

Jeeps are stupid expensive. A coworker just bought a new one and it’s so tarted 
up I can’t imagine stuff staying in place if they took it off-road.

-D

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bet a Jeep Scrambler has future collector potential.
> 
> Oops, they already want more than 20k for those things.
> Tell him to get a rusty ML55 and chop it down into a dune buggy.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On October 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> He’s been in the pickup truck mode for a while,
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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Yeah, I’ve never understood why a Japanese branded pickup was named after a 
Western Washington city other than Toyota and Tacoma both have 3 syllables. And 
they left the U out of TRD.  
Kevin in Hillsboro, .OR
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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never 
> stuck here in the US.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Again, read my original post. I 
> would raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I 
> mean.
> 
> This too, will pass.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards to 
>> find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the ocean they rusted 
>> top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>>> and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
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A Hilux by any other name is a Tacoma. No idea why the Hilux name never stuck 
here in the US.

Curt

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  On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Again, read my original post. I would 
raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re a parent, you know what I mean.

This too, will pass.

-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards to 
> find what remains of one in most of the country.  Near the ocean they rusted 
> top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>> 
>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>> and I’ll pass it along.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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I bet a Jeep Scrambler has future collector potential.

Oops, they already want more than 20k for those things.
Tell him to get a rusty ML55 and chop it down into a dune buggy.
Mitch.

> On October 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> He’s been in the pickup truck mode for a while,

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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Depends on your definition of off road:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrUD4mSvZms
> On October 15, 2019 at 9:51 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> This time it was an aesthetics and functionality thing. He likes the 
> simplicity and the styling of the W124, but thinks he can off road with 
> 4Matic.

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He’s been in the pickup truck mode for a while, but balks at considering 
anything domestic for some unknown reason. As I’ve mentioned before, a decent 
used domestic truck like a Ford, Chevy or Dodge would be ideal, as there would 
be no problem at all finding support for them in such a remote area.

I’ve planted the seed several times, but I’m still waiting for it to sprout. I 
suspect it will at some point in the future. Hopefully sooner than later.

-D


> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Got it. How about a Jeep Wrangler ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We’re talking about using it in an area like northern Arizona. Extremely 
>> rugged, extremely rural. Not tooling around on improved roads much of the 
>> time. No service facilities or a place to work on it should something break.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why? My brother uses a 1989 w124 300TE non 4matic as a “work truck” and 
>>> it’s one tough car. 330K miles, engine needs valve guides but he keeps 
>>> driving it and adding oil, cleaning/replacing fouled plugs as needed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up 
 on it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, 
 haven’t heard.
 
 At least I was able to talk him out of a W124 wagon with 4Matic. He had 
 some idea that it would be a good alternative to a 4WD pickup truck.
 
 -D
 
 
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>  wrote:
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> $6k
> https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73787/D0C3D0C8-55D1-42C1-9703-14624BAF8CCB_png-1123526.JPG
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Got it. How about a Jeep Wrangler ?

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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We’re talking about using it in an area like northern Arizona. Extremely 
> rugged, extremely rural. Not tooling around on improved roads much of the 
> time. No service facilities or a place to work on it should something break.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> Why? My brother uses a 1989 w124 300TE non 4matic as a “work truck” and it’s 
>> one tough car. 330K miles, engine needs valve guides but he keeps driving it 
>> and adding oil, cleaning/replacing fouled plugs as needed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up 
>>> on it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, 
>>> haven’t heard.
>>> 
>>> At least I was able to talk him out of a W124 wagon with 4Matic. He had 
>>> some idea that it would be a good alternative to a 4WD pickup truck.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 $6k
 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73787/D0C3D0C8-55D1-42C1-9703-14624BAF8CCB_png-1123526.JPG
 
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We’re talking about using it in an area like northern Arizona. Extremely 
rugged, extremely rural. Not tooling around on improved roads much of the time. 
No service facilities or a place to work on it should something break.

-D



> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Why? My brother uses a 1989 w124 300TE non 4matic as a “work truck” and it’s 
> one tough car. 330K miles, engine needs valve guides but he keeps driving it 
> and adding oil, cleaning/replacing fouled plugs as needed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up 
>> on it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, 
>> haven’t heard.
>> 
>> At least I was able to talk him out of a W124 wagon with 4Matic. He had some 
>> idea that it would be a good alternative to a 4WD pickup truck.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> $6k
>>> https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73787/D0C3D0C8-55D1-42C1-9703-14624BAF8CCB_png-1123526.JPG
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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Why? My brother uses a 1989 w124 300TE non 4matic as a “work truck” and it’s 
one tough car. 330K miles, engine needs valve guides but he keeps driving it 
and adding oil, cleaning/replacing fouled plugs as needed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up on 
> it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, haven’t 
> heard.
> 
> At least I was able to talk him out of a W124 wagon with 4Matic. He had some 
> idea that it would be a good alternative to a 4WD pickup truck.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> $6k
>> https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73787/D0C3D0C8-55D1-42C1-9703-14624BAF8CCB_png-1123526.JPG
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This time it was an aesthetics and functionality thing. He likes the simplicity 
and the styling of the W124, but thinks he can off road with 4Matic.

I suggested a W210 4Matic, as they’re far more common, less expensive, and more 
reliable and easier to maintain. I pointed out that the original 4Matics were 
troublesome and prone to leakage.

But hey, what do I know, right?

-D


> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I hauled a lot of construction materials (including 80BF of dirty rough sawn 
> cherry) in my mint interior 1999 4matic. 
> Interior was far from mint after I had it a month.
> Only real problems I ever had with that car were dead fuel pump (inline and 
> easy to swap), rusty brake lines, and HVAC gremlins.
> But 124 4Matic is an entirely different can of worms.
> 
>> On October 15, 2019 at 9:25 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up 
>> on it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, 
>> haven’t heard.
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I hauled a lot of construction materials (including 80BF of dirty rough sawn 
cherry) in my mint interior 1999 4matic. 
Interior was far from mint after I had it a month.
Only real problems I ever had with that car were dead fuel pump (inline and 
easy to swap), rusty brake lines, and HVAC gremlins.
But 124 4Matic is an entirely different can of worms.

> On October 15, 2019 at 9:25 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up on 
> it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, haven’t 
> heard.

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Thanks, Mitch. I messaged the link to him. I’m guessing he won’t follow up on 
it, there may already be a new “flavor of the week” at this point, haven’t 
heard.

At least I was able to talk him out of a W124 wagon with 4Matic. He had some 
idea that it would be a good alternative to a 4WD pickup truck.

-D


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> wrote:
> 
> $6k
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$6k
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I like that.

-D

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> That is so true. 
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>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:15 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I read this recently:  If you raise your kids you can spoil your grandkids.  
>> But if you spoil your kids you will raise your grandchildren.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  OK Don via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> We were laughing our asses off when our most rebellious daughter called and
>>> said "I'm becoming my mother!"
>>> She knew better than us about everything, including raising kids (we raised
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>>> indeed
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That is so true. 

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> I read this recently:  If you raise your kids you can spoil your grandkids.  
> But if you spoil your kids you will raise your grandchildren.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  OK Don via Mercedes
>> 
>> We were laughing our asses off when our most rebellious daughter called and
>> said "I'm becoming my mother!"
>> She knew better than us about everything, including raising kids (we raised
>> four, all independent now), then gradually can to realize that we were indeed
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rick wrote:

> Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between
> here in the states. Try BaT. 

I thought the "Hi-Lux" was just the non-US name for "pickup".  I
suppose the US market pickups got different engine and trim and
stuff, especially in recent years.

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was gonna comment that he might be able to find one in the sandbox for 
cheap, but getting it in the country would be a problem.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:56 PM:

On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Exactly. Hence the comment by Floyd early on about mounting a .50 in the back 
and clearing commuters….

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

How true!


BTW, I prefer the former.

DId.   Still don't.   The other grandparents do.  So I  introduce small 
doses of reality.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 10:15 PM:

I read this recently:  If you raise your kids you can spoil your grandkids.  
But if you spoil your kids you will raise your grandchildren.





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I read this recently:  If you raise your kids you can spoil your grandkids.  
But if you spoil your kids you will raise your grandchildren.

> -Original Message-
> From:  OK Don via Mercedes
> 
> We were laughing our asses off when our most rebellious daughter called and
> said "I'm becoming my mother!"
> She knew better than us about everything, including raising kids (we raised
> four, all independent now), then gradually can to realize that we were indeed
> right - about everything!
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Mock up a fake .50, get a black flag, and wrap black t-shirts around your head, 
and you've got a great Halloween float.

Max Dillon
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Sun Oct 13 20:57:15 EDT 2019 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
:
 
> Don’t forget the coupla skinnies to be the operators 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly. Hence the comment by Floyd early on about mounting a .50 in the 
>> back and clearing commuters….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive 
>>> in Western Europe. Nasty.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
 the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
 
 Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a 
 PM and I’ll pass it along.
 
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Don’t forget the coupla skinnies to be the operators 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. Hence the comment by Floyd early on about mounting a .50 in the back 
> and clearing commuters….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive in 
>> Western Europe. Nasty.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>>> and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
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I hardly doubt that was the motivation. More likely to have come from something 
on an XBox 360 game…

-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not sure what’s so alluring about a terrorist or gypsy image!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's probably part of the allure, like how some want an AK47 ...
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive
>>> in Western Europe. Nasty.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
>>> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
>>> got.
 
 Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
>>> PM and I’ll pass it along.
 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Not sure what’s so alluring about a terrorist or gypsy image!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's probably part of the allure, like how some want an AK47 ...
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive
>> in Western Europe. Nasty.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
>> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
>> got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
>> PM and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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[MBZ] Toyota Hilux

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375303866475157

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/456197364989701

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/354013925541834




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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly. Hence the comment by Floyd early on about mounting a .50 in the back 
and clearing commuters….

-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive in 
> Western Europe. Nasty.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>> 
>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>> and I’ll pass it along.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That's probably part of the allure, like how some want an AK47 ...

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive
> in Western Europe. Nasty.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
> got.
> >
> > Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
> PM and I’ll pass it along.
> >
> > -D
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

That’s a truck that terrorists drive in the Middle East and gypsies drive in 
Western Europe. Nasty.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
> word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
> 
> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
> and I’ll pass it along.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh. If it isn’t one thing, it’s another…

I know they’ll wise up. Jaime’s met my youngest, he’s a smart kid and will go 
far I have no doubt.  However, he goes through these spurts of “enlightenment”, 
shall we say, when my intellect sort of just goes out the window in his mind. 
It’s not uncommon for him to come back in a bit and acknowledge his 
mistake/ignorance, and when he does I don’t make a big deal out of it. It’s 
more important to me that they be introspective. Being able to come back and 
admit you’re wrong or made a poor decision is far more important, I think.

-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s funny, I find myself having exactly the opposite problem with my
> father in the last every years.  He doesn’t give my suggestions any weight,
> but if a complete stranger makes the same suggestion then he calls to tell
> me about it.
> 
> Best recent example is his purchase of a sports car.  For a few years, he’s
> been looking for a old British or Italian car.  We looked at a few but
> nothing really appealed to him.  I suggested he look at Porsche Boxsters or
> Mazda Miatas, as these are the modern interpretations of those old sports
> cars.  He didn’t give it much weight until we went to see a 79 Alfa
> Spider.  He owned one in the early 80s... but realized how 40 years has
> aged him and the car, and it wasn’t what he wanted.  The seller told him he
> was selling to buy a Boxster.  This made a big impression.
> 
> On the way home, he became very interested in a Boxster and within two
> weeks he bought one.  And he loves it.
> 
> I told you so?
> 
> Anyway... I think your day will come... it will happen to all of us
> hopefully:  our children will know better than we do.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 12:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
>> realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
>> order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
>> 
>> It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
>> 
>> And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in
>> the same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the
>> states. Try BaT.
>>> When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got
>> smarter in the last couple years".
>>> 
>>> Hang in there dad, it will get better.
>>> 
>>> https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?
>>> 
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
>> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
>> got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
>> PM and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

It’s funny, I find myself having exactly the opposite problem with my
father in the last every years.  He doesn’t give my suggestions any weight,
but if a complete stranger makes the same suggestion then he calls to tell
me about it.

Best recent example is his purchase of a sports car.  For a few years, he’s
been looking for a old British or Italian car.  We looked at a few but
nothing really appealed to him.  I suggested he look at Porsche Boxsters or
Mazda Miatas, as these are the modern interpretations of those old sports
cars.  He didn’t give it much weight until we went to see a 79 Alfa
Spider.  He owned one in the early 80s... but realized how 40 years has
aged him and the car, and it wasn’t what he wanted.  The seller told him he
was selling to buy a Boxster.  This made a big impression.

On the way home, he became very interested in a Boxster and within two
weeks he bought one.  And he loves it.

I told you so?

Anyway... I think your day will come... it will happen to all of us
hopefully:  our children will know better than we do.

Jaime


On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 12:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
> realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
> order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
>
> It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
>
> And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in
> the same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the
> states. Try BaT.
> > When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got
> smarter in the last couple years".
> >
> > Hang in there dad, it will get better.
> >
> > https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?
> >
> > Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
> got.
> >
> > Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
> PM and I’ll pass it along.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Before or after the Coyote issues?
I'm thinking he should aim at before.
Definitely not during. Or buy Silverado.

Mitch.

> On October 13, 2019 at 3:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> He could an F150 for half as much as a Toyota, but whatever. He will learn.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Here. Send him this article. No I didn't read it all.
Tacoma's are pretty pricey though, but a better alternative. He could an F150 
for half as much as a Toyota, but whatever. He will learn.

http://www.brian894x4.com/Hiluxdifferences.html


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

True satisfaction as a parent is when you hold your grandchild, notice
"that smell" that only emanates from a "blow out the sides dirty diaper"
and hand the child to the formerly rebellious child, saying, with a smile,
"your child needs changing"
"I'm the grand parent, I only hug them, I don't have to change them.".. ;)))

On the subject of truck... here is a video of one that needs a bit of work
and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been moved lately Recovery might pose a
"challenge" if he is up for a "real challenge"... but the price should be
low..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4CALe8rQM

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:14 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We were laughing our asses off when our most rebellious daughter called and
> said "I'm becoming my mother!"
> She knew better than us about everything, including raising kids (we raised
> four, all independent now), then gradually can to realize that we were
> indeed right - about everything!
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 11:32 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
> > realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us
> in
> > order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
> >
> > It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We were laughing our asses off when our most rebellious daughter called and
said "I'm becoming my mother!"
She knew better than us about everything, including raising kids (we raised
four, all independent now), then gradually can to realize that we were
indeed right - about everything!

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 11:32 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
> realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
> order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
>
> It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
>


-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Are they south of the border? There are lots of cars in Mexico that we
don't have here ---

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 11:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don’t think there’s anything wrong with one, but the likelihood of
> finding one, even remotely decent, in North America is pretty slim. There
> are far better alternatives.
>
> -D
>
>
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OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably, as the same platform was used for the trucks they sold here. That’s 
why I’m not shy a HiLux is even relevant. The trucks they sold here under 
different model names are nearly the same.

More importantly, if he ends up staying out west permanently as he plans, 
having anything but a domestic car/truck in a remote area is not a wise 
decision. It would be like driving a Benz out there. No MB mechanics anywhere 
near the Grand Canyon….

-D

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> if you found one would you be able to get parts for it? If its a Chevy truck 
> you can pickup an engine rebuilt kit at the grocery store.
> 
> On 10/13/2019 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don’t think there’s anything wrong with one, but the likelihood of finding 
>> one, even remotely decent, in North America is pretty slim. There are far 
>> better alternatives.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is absolutely nothing wrong with a hilux, unless the bat fj40 crowd
>>> has discovered them. Lightweight, simple, efficient, easily maintained,
>>> durable. It was the unofficial vehicle for pretty much all the Bedouin in
>>> Saudi in the 70s, except the bootleggers who drove GMC pickups with marine
>>> 454 motors.
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

if you found one would you be able to get parts for it? If its a Chevy 
truck you can pickup an engine rebuilt kit at the grocery store.


On 10/13/2019 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with one, but the likelihood of finding 
one, even remotely decent, in North America is pretty slim. There are far 
better alternatives.

-D



On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a hilux, unless the bat fj40 crowd
has discovered them. Lightweight, simple, efficient, easily maintained,
durable. It was the unofficial vehicle for pretty much all the Bedouin in
Saudi in the 70s, except the bootleggers who drove GMC pickups with marine
454 motors.

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 12:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.

It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.

And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in
the same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.

-D


On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the

states. Try BaT.

When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got

smarter in the last couple years".

Hang in there dad, it will get better.

https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to

put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
got.

Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a

PM and I’ll pass it along.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with one, but the likelihood of finding 
one, even remotely decent, in North America is pretty slim. There are far 
better alternatives.

-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with a hilux, unless the bat fj40 crowd
> has discovered them. Lightweight, simple, efficient, easily maintained,
> durable. It was the unofficial vehicle for pretty much all the Bedouin in
> Saudi in the 70s, except the bootleggers who drove GMC pickups with marine
> 454 motors.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 12:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
>> realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
>> order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
>> 
>> It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
>> 
>> And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in
>> the same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the
>> states. Try BaT.
>>> When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got
>> smarter in the last couple years".
>>> 
>>> Hang in there dad, it will get better.
>>> 
>>> https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?
>>> 
>>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
>> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
>> got.
>>> 
>>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
>> PM and I’ll pass it along.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a hilux, unless the bat fj40 crowd
has discovered them. Lightweight, simple, efficient, easily maintained,
durable. It was the unofficial vehicle for pretty much all the Bedouin in
Saudi in the 70s, except the bootleggers who drove GMC pickups with marine
454 motors.

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 12:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they
> realize Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in
> order to allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.
>
> It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.
>
> And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in
> the same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the
> states. Try BaT.
> > When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got
> smarter in the last couple years".
> >
> > Hang in there dad, it will get better.
> >
> > https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?
> >
> > Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to
> put the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve
> got.
> >
> > Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a
> PM and I’ll pass it along.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

He could book a trip to one of the garden spots in the ME and he could 
probably pick one up cheap with the proper, uh, negotiating techniques.  
then ship it back


--FT

On 10/13/19 12:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in the same manner 
in which it is available in the rest of the world.


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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I know. I have informed both children that when the day comes that they realize 
Mom and I were “right” that they need to immediately contact us in order to 
allow us to revel in the satisfaction of being validated.

It will happen. It’s just a matter of when.

And yes, I attempted to point out that the HiLux was never sold here in the 
same manner in which it is available in the rest of the world.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the 
> states. Try BaT.
> When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got smarter 
> in the last couple years".
> 
> Hang in there dad, it will get better.
> 
> https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?
> 
> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
> word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
> 
> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
> and I’ll pass it along.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Tell him "good luck with that". They are few and far between here in the 
states. Try BaT.
When children get to be about 26-27 they say "gee dad, you sure got smarter in 
the last couple years".

Hang in there dad, it will get better.

https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-I-own-a-Toyota-Hilux-in-America


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: October 13, 2019 7:59 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.

Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM and 
I’ll pass it along.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Plant the seed. Sometimes more than once.   Give it a gestation period.  
Min. is a month, normally a year or more.   At the end of the gestation 
period, it is HIS idea, and therefore G O O D!


Don't keep replanting the same seed.   If you do it never becomes G O O D.

I guess they still sell hilux peekups  in turd world countries, or did 
until a few years ago.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 9:24 AM:

Again, read my original post. I would raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re 
a parent, you know what I mean.

This too, will pass.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Again, read my original post. I would raise these issues but I’m stupid. You’re 
a parent, you know what I mean.

This too, will pass.

-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards to 
> find what remains of one in most of the country.   Near the ocean they rusted 
> top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:
>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>> 
>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>> and I’ll pass it along.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

he'd have to sift through the iron oxide on the ground at most junkyards 
to find what remains of one in most of the country.   Near the ocean 
they rusted top down. Elsewhere, bottom up.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/13/19 7:59 AM:

Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.

Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM and 
I’ll pass it along.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No doubt.

He’s so all over the place I have no idea. He’s heading back out to AZ and the 
NPS the end of this month, so I suspect he’s got truck/4WD on the brain. I 
suggested some time ago when this was a subject that a good used Ford F150 
would be a wise purchase and serve him well while being something easily 
maintained in such a rural area.

As a parent, I am a total idiot, of course (implied) so my recommendations are 
tossed aside unless they’re later adopted and presented as a new idea. After 
all, what do I know?



-D


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is he going to mount a .50 in the bed and get a coupla skinnies to ride 
> around with him in the back?
> 
> It would clear the commute quite well. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put 
>> the word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
>> 
>> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
>> and I’ll pass it along.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Is he going to mount a .50 in the bed and get a coupla skinnies to ride around 
with him in the back?

It would clear the commute quite well. 

--FT
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> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
> word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.
> 
> Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM 
> and I’ll pass it along.
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Youngest son believes he now wants a Toyota Hilux and has asked me to put the 
word out. No more details than that, so I’m going with what I’ve got.

Don’t ask me why, I don’t go there. If you see or know of one, drop me a PM and 
I’ll pass it along.

-D
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