Hendrik Fay wrote:
wait for the tow truck because our super dooper efficient cars have
fried electronics but wait the tow truck is broken down too because
the you beaut CDI engine is not working.
How many vehicles with EFI are out there? They seem to be pretty
reliable... Although I wasn't
Smaller houses waste less fuel.
Ain't that the truth! The 3300SF house with the 3-car garage plus the 4-car
heated shop cost us 3 times the energy bills! WE had to move back into our
2000SF house since it didn't sell, so now, it shouldn't take long to save up
enough money for me to buy this
Kevin disclosed us:
so now, it shouldn't take long to save up
enough money for me to buy this 1973 220D fixer upper.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/645361275.html;
I'd be on that like a hobo on a hot dog.
Bob R
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:17:06 -0400
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
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Curt Raymond wrote:
houses greater than 2000 square
I'm trying to finalize plans for my post frame home. It was 1680ft (30x56)
last year but now I'm wondering about 40x56 or 30x72 for a few thousand
extra $$. Does 2000 square feet sound like enough for one guy?
It'll be about 1/3 living space, 1/6 office space and 1/2 garage/workshop.
R20
Hendrik Fay wrote:
I have never driven a 2.5 but would think for you average commute it
would be the go vs the 300E which is a great highway cruiser.
How does your government feel about engine modifications?
I've seen claims of around 330 horsepower for OM602 2.5L,
which might translate to
I've seen the Finns claim 6 or 7 litres per 100km (33-39mpg) from
modified
OM603/W124, provided they can go through an entire tank of fuel without
hitting the throttle hard. Apparently one 0-100kph run will make a
noticable
difference in the average consumption for a tank of fuel.
Somehow
Thanks for the real world numbers, John.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John M McIntosh
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My 89 300TE averaged 17.81 MPG (USA) on california premium across
50,397 miles of driving, mostly city, still highway wasn't anything
close to claims.
claim is 17 (city),21
That cinches it - it's one 300D 2.5 for the commute, another one to
hotrod, then switch them out!
How does your government feel about engine modifications?
I've seen claims of around 330 horsepower for OM602 2.5L,
which might translate to 250-300 hp without the smokescreen.
I'm assuming
Jim Cathey wrote:
Somehow I doubt that only ONE would make that much of
a difference.
That depends. How many ounces of #2 does it take to make one
Black Cloud of Death? I also don't know how much of a change
Mauri is talking about. Does he drop from 6.5 liters per 100km
to 7.0 for a 50 liter
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Jim Cathey wrote:
Somehow I doubt that only ONE would make that much of
a difference
premium
OK Don wrote:
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the
124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again
weigh
The 5 speed was used in the 140, the 124 still have a 4 speed
Hendrik Fay wrote:
Depends on which 104, early ones use KE jet, later use motronic and are
more efficient.
The 103 will go alright on regular but may lose a little mileage, whilst
the 104 motronic will require premium.
The 104
Also, you said the break even point was ~23mpg, that means to actually save any
money, or any real money anyway, you need at least 25mpg but with your small
mileage more like 30mpg...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:54:49 -0500
From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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in the RE (renewable energy) mantra, every $1 spent on conservation
is worth $5 (maybe more) in production.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:47:29 -0500
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Curt Raymond wrote:
How about we impose larger restrictions on fuel wasters, houses
greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6 for
instance? Smaller houses waste less fuel.
I think its possible for the average 1600sqft house built in the
50's-60's etc to consume more energy
Curt Raymond wrote:
houses greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6
for instance?
I'm trying to finalize plans for my post frame home. It was 1680ft (30x56)
last year but now I'm wondering about 40x56 or 30x72 for a few thousand
extra $$. Does 2000 square feet sound like
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Good thinking Don!
As near as I can tell, there isn't
You sure, a 124CE I test drove a while back had the 104 and a 5 speed
box. Pretty sure it was KE jet as well but can't remember.
I do believe the series 3 with the updated 4 banger and six all got the
5 speed.
Hendrik
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
The 5 speed was used in the 140, the 124 still
Probably a US vs the rest of the world thing -- we don't get the good stuff.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You sure, a 124CE I test drove a while back had the 104 and a 5 speed
box. Pretty sure it was KE jet as well but can't remember.
I do believe
I got 31.5 mpg on the last tank of fuel (I'm running between 31 and
32 without the AC right now).
My mother's TE gets about 20 around here, 24 or so, never better, on
the highway, although it's been quite a while since it took along
trip. She only uses a tank every couple weeks or less.
Fantastic, then we can all sit on the side of the road and wait for the
tow truck because our super dooper efficient cars have fried electronics
but wait the tow truck is broken down too because the you beaut CDI
engine is not working.
Hendrik
who keeps telling himself, as he watches the
If we'd put on a $1/gal gas tax 4 years ago we might not be in quite
the pickle we're in today.
I'm opposed to 'punitive' taxation. The gov't ends up dependent
on the very quantity they're taxing, and incentive to actually
promulgating fuel efficiency goes down, at least on their part.
--
I have never seen a 124 with a 5 speed auto, not sure about other parts
of the world
Hendrik Fay wrote:
You sure, a 124CE I test drove a while back had the 104 and a 5 speed
box. Pretty sure it was KE jet as well but can't remember.
I do believe the series 3 with the updated 4 banger and
With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again
weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently
addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5
and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll
calculate back to what
For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in your costs are
going to be pretty negligible over the range of 15 - 25 MPG, gas or
diesel.
I'd say drive the car that you LIKE.
Allan
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the
124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again
weigh the costs of operating the
Probably wise - but it seemed like it was time to re-evaluate. The
450SLC at 15MPG will cost an extra $1000 per year, so I only drive it
on nice Sunday afternoons now.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in
Good thinking Don!
As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in
dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the
fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly
decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the
124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false?
Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular?
-- Jim
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I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously
considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The
question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the
300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth
my 300E required premium, so keep that in mind with the M103. I keep all
the gas tabs, but never worked out the cost. I'm a bit heavy footed, and
mine gets more in town than highway driving, with lots of quick 0-90 kph
bursts. I'd guess high teens, low 20s for mileage.
Ed
300E
On 16/04/2008,
Most diesels I see advertised here come at a premium, with something always
referring to, will go a million miles. If true, most of the rest of the car
will fall to bits long before a million miles, including the trans, head and
everything hanging on the engine. Lots of gassers around for very
And the 190 2.3 uses regular as well.
On 4/16/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the
124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false?
Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular?
-- Jim
Ok Don wrote:
Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it
12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is
$1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to
get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel
I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine
fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that
is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in
economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier
to service than the
Having never driven a vergasser 124, I don't know. I do love the
Diesels though -
I think the 300E gets close to that (others would know better than me), BUT
there is another factor to consider. Which one do you enjoy driving more. If
the difference is negligible than is it really
Does it burn premium? I'll have to check the price of premium next
time - didn't think of that possibility as I drove by today.
Yes - the extra power will undoubtedly get used, along with the fuel
to feed it. I like easy to work on, but I also like power
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:02 PM,
I run 89 octane regular in 103 and 104, as well as the M180 with no
ill effects, no ping. This fuel may not be available in the rest of
the country. in the 70s it was galled gasohol. It is 90/10 gasoline
to ethanol. We have had it available for 30+ years in Iowa. Burned
it in my premium
My 89 300TE averaged 17.81 MPG (USA) on california premium across
50,397 miles of driving, mostly city, still highway wasn't anything
close to claims.
claim is 17 (city),21 (highway) ,19 (mixed)
18.6 mpg when running on non-california gas for 21,374 miles, but more
highway miles.
This
18.6 mpg when running on non-california gas for 21,374 miles, but more
highway miles.
Could drive a 560 SL for that kind of mileage.
-- Jim
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Depends on which 104, early ones use KE jet, later use motronic and are
more efficient.
The 103 will go alright on regular but may lose a little mileage, whilst
the 104 motronic will require premium.
The 104 also use the better 5 speed transmission.
Fuel usage between the 300E and 2.5D? Are you
The 300E will never get close to those figures but is a more powerful
car but the torque figures should not be too far apart.
I live in hilly country so the extra power of the six is great but when
I go to fill up it is tear time, especially now that the robbers are
charging 1.50 arms per
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