Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-26 Thread Dieselhead
Agreed, When you said it worked one day and not the next, that eliminates the rusted stick possibility. Depending on the pedal feel, you could have a linkage issue or fingers worn off the pressure plate. Anyway on the tractor if you see my other post I'd already heard of this possibility an

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-26 Thread Curt Raymond
: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" On my first MB, the 190Dc, soon after I bought it, I pushed in the clutch at a RR crossing, and it didn't go out of gear.  Turned

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Dieselhead
Dunno the oversteer/understeer theory, and it doesn't matter much to me. What I know is that if the front does not steer, you have no control. Yes, the back can slip so far and fast that it exceeds the maximum turn mechanically, or it can occur faster than you can react. For most drivers (ine

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Craig
> I generally keep not so good tires on the rear so I don't ruin good > tires when this happens, and for safety, the best tires should always > be on the front axle. There is an on-going debate about this. If you have poor tires on the rear, the rear will have less traction and will break loose

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread harry watkins
That is just amazing. Way to go Gerry. Harry 86 300 SDL - Original Message - From: "archer" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A Aimed a light at the hole in the housing and put a

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Dieselhead
ATTABOY! Leave it to the young kids to come up with a technological solution! I did think of a remote camera, but i don't have one available here. I was thinking of something more expesnsive, like a borescope. Aimed a light at the hole in the housing and put a computer camera on a block und

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread archer
Aimed a light at the hole in the housing and put a computer camera on a block under the car. Sat in the car with a laptop and kept tapping the starter until I could see the drain plug. Went back under the car with a wrench and a pan, drained the ATF, pulled everything out. Done in two trips

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Dieselhead
AHA! Sounds like an easy CHEAP fix. We dragged a truck around the shop about 20 times while holding the clutch down on the tractor the truck steerer would periodically step on the brakes until the tractor's wheels slipped. I'd also heard of stuck clutch disks. So either its stuck amazingly

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Dieselhead
On my first MB, the 190Dc, soon after I bought it, I pushed in the clutch at a RR crossing, and it didn't go out of gear. Turned out the throwout had seized sometime before. Each time you pushed the clutch, the throwout wore on the pressure plate arms. That day the arms wore through, so the

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Thats how I do it. On 9/24/2010 12:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Does that tranny housing have the little hole at the bottom to where you get at the drain plug for the TC? I just take a longish large screwdriver and pry the TC around through the hole. Takes a few minutes but gets you there with

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Curt Raymond
05 -0400 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A Message-ID: <4c9e1415.6010...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: > The nice thing about a tractor is you don't so much drop

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: The nice thing about a tractor is you don't so much drop the trans as roll it backwards... I may actually be doing this relatively soon. I think I've stumbled on to what may be an excellent deal on a small diesel tractor with a loader and a bad clutch. Whats actually bad abo

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Dieselhead
Weird. I guess it could happen if the flywheel was machined a little out of tolerance small and was not caught in manufacturing, combined with a large end of the tolerance ring gear. My guess is that one or the other was out of tolerance. Made a good deal for you! I know there were some odd

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Curt Raymond
2cyl diesel starts super easy and runs strong. Could be a great deal... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:23:38 -0500 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii&q

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-25 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
A few years ago I bought a 240D parts car that wouldn't start. The starter would spin free, it sounded like it wasn't grabbing the ring. I wacked the starter with a hammer a few times to see if that would help, but then just took the car apart. I needed the trans for my 300D. Turned out the ring

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Dieselhead
but other than old tractors, you almost never need to. it is not that bad, just drop the trans and unbolt the flywheel. Just a matter of perspective, I guess. And I never had to do it with an auto trans the weight of those Ps of S adds to the aggravation factor for sure. on tractors,

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Craig
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:53:52 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I did buy a new ring gear once for something. I think maybe it was an > OM621. It was not that expensive. Yes, but ... GETTING to the ring gear is a major hassle. Craig ___ http:

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Dieselhead
I never investigated that on the 107. I know on the 123 240D it is nearly impossible to do because of all the belt pulleys and the length of the socket you need to reach the bolt and the proximity of the radiator. On plastic radiator cars, I try not to put a socket on the front pulley unless

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Jim Cathey
Wish I could find and easy way to bar over the flywheel. 27mm socket on short extension of 3/4" Harbor Freight ratchet set usually works for me. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http:/

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Dieselhead
Yeah, but nothing to pry on with this one. In theory, you have a 25% chance of hitting it each time. I think it was about the 8th trip before I hit it. The last one I did, I hit it when I crawled under the first time. The engine just stopped in the right spot. I think that was a 603, tho t

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why not use a socket on the crankshaft bolt? Always works for me on W116, 123, 107, 124, 201. If you lay under the car from the front, you can turn the crank while waiting for the drain to go by. And you don't risk missing up expensive to repair stuff like a ring gear.

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Why not use a socket on the crankshaft bolt? Always works for me on W116, 123, 107, 124, 201. If you lay under the car from the front, you can turn the crank while waiting for the drain to go by. And you don't risk missing up expensive to repair stuff like a ring gear. Jaime On Fri, Sep 24, 20

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Rich Thomas
Does that tranny housing have the little hole at the bottom to where you get at the drain plug for the TC? I just take a longish large screwdriver and pry the TC around through the hole. Takes a few minutes but gets you there with not too hard work. --R On 9/24/2010 1:21 PM, Dieselhead wrot

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Dieselhead
Well, the oil is very dirty, and has a high amount of alum. It is not the worst I have seen. That prize belongs to a 124. By the way, that car has run fine for many 10ks since. I am still trying to find the TC drain. Bump the starter and then crawl under to see if I got lucky. No happine

Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-24 Thread Dieselhead
Thanks Dan. That was the original plan. (Drain and filter change) But I started wondering if there was really any hope for that being a good solution. Glad to know that is a possible solution. Had the same symptoms with my 82 300SD. Trans flush did not solve the problem, but a trans drain,

[MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A

2010-09-23 Thread Dan Weeks
Loren: Had the same symptoms with my 82 300SD. Trans flush did not solve the problem, but a trans drain, screen clean, and refill did. Problem has not returned. Dan On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:46 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: This is an 85 380SL. Trans shifts only after over-revvin