On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:10 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Freer wrote:
That's a good idea Allan. Also helps keep the carbon buildup at bay. I
miss that feature on the CDI. At 35 mph around town and I want to
shift down to 4th, it goes right down to 2nd as I have no control
Kaleb wrote: do they not make olds anymore?
I assume you are kidding. Otherwise, you can't possibly claim to be
knowledgeable in the car business. In case you are not kidding, yes, GM
ended the Oldsmobile division in December of 2000 (which precipitated my desire
to go to Law school).
Rusty wrote: They are killing Pontiac next.
I have heard that rumor since they killed Oldsmobile. If GM were to shut down
one of its divisions, my opinion is that it would be Buick not Pontiac.
Donald H. Snook
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Rusty wrote: They are killing Pontiac next.
I have heard that rumor since they killed Oldsmobile. If GM were to shut
down one of its divisions, my opinion is that it would be Buick not
Pontiac.
My opinion is that all those divisions are part of their
If they shut down Buick, what would all the greyhairs drive? I see a
LOT more Bricks on the road than Ponchos.
If I were running GM, I'd close Brick, Poncho and Jimmy
At 08:20 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:
Rusty wrote: They are killing Pontiac next.
I have heard that rumor since they killed
I agree, then when the economy rebounds, they could do like Toada,
and take a chevy, put a gold colored logo on it and change the
interior a little and call it a luxury Chevus, and sell them for
$5000 to $10,000 more. Or they could call it a Lexolet
My opinion is that all those divisions
Allan Streib wrote:
My opinion is that all those divisions are part of their problem. They
should have one car/truck division, Chevrolet, and one luxury
division, Cadillac.
I think Buick should have been the first to go. Pontiac has been the excitement
division, with Firebird, Fiero,
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
GMC has been pointless for years, Chevy
trucks have plenty of trim levels to choose from.
In the light truck market I agree, though I think GMC has a
heavy/commercial market that I'm not sure Chevy competes in.
Allan
Allan Streib wrote:
In the light truck market I agree, though I think GMC has a
heavy/commercial market that I'm not sure Chevy competes in.
I'm not sure what the entire lineup includes, but a Chevy Kodiak and GMC Topkick
are still the same thing, and they both have W-series and T-series
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm not sure what the entire lineup includes, but a Chevy Kodiak and GMC
Topkick are still the same thing, and they both have W-series and T-series
medium
duty truck lines.
http://www.chevrolet.com/mediumduty/
http://www.gmc.com/mediumduty/index.jsp
GMC Truck was merged with White years ago. Volvo bought White
GMC. White used to make Freightliner, and when Freightliner went
independent, White struggled. DB courted White for a while, but
failed to buy White. White then merged with GMC. Ford sold the
Louisville line to DB, and it was
spin off or be sold, but who would buy it?
-Curt
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Gotta have a hip and trendy line too, Scion has made Toyota a bunch of money.
Saturn used to be hip and trendy...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:27:30 -0500
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Loren wrote: If I were running GM, I'd close Brick, Poncho and Jimmy
By jimmy do you mean GMC Truck? That would be a HUGE mistake. GMC and Chevy
trucks have been one of the few bright spots for GM in the last decade or so.
The GMC trucks are more profitable than Chevy. The trucks and SUV's
Mitch wrote: Now that it's GMC, Chevy, Caddy, Buick and Pontiac, I'd say dump
Buick, let the fogies decide if they want to buy downmarket Chevy or upmarket
Caddy. Keep Pontiac, concentrating on keeping the styling fresh and try to give
the Pontiacs a bit more performance than the Chevys.
Don't
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Gotta have a hip and trendy line too, Scion has made Toyota a bunch of
money.
You really think the name, and not the vehicle, is what made the
difference? The box on wheels thing would not have done well if it
had a Toyota badge?
Allan
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Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Don't forget about Saturn. The new Aura (really just a Us version of the
Opel) was supposed to rejuvenate GM.
Is that what that is? Why not say so? Invent a new name, nobody knows
WTF it is. I drove an Open Corsa in Denmark last time I was there, a
very
Anybody remember what the functional difference between a Chevy and GMC truck
was 60 years ago?
Hint; What made GMC a 'Premium' Chevrolet?
Pete
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GMC Truck was merged with White years ago. Volvo bought
Loren wrote: the light and medium Chev/GMC trucks are the same except the
badges.
That is not quite true. There are some GMC only features and options. But,
you are right for the most part, they are identical. One other difference is
the dealership. When we had GMC, we had customers who
suspect loads of the hipsters buying the TC would never buy a Camry.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:44:04 -0500
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, I think GM owns Saab. Of course, the market presence here in the US
is minimal,
You're kidding, right? Been to the Pacific Northwest or New England
lately? I see as many older Saabs here as older BMWs or Benzes,
Loren wrote: I have yet to see an American car go over 400k without the engine
being worn out.
When I was at the dealership, my wife worked at a local wholesale pharmacy.
They delivered drugs to hospitals/clinics/labs etc. all over the Midwest. I
convinced them that they should get their cars
Ok Don wrote: I might find out if they wil go the distance - one of them has
over 330,000 miles already, but sure doesn't act like it.
The other one has got to be getting close. I am convinced that those are the
MB diesels that will set the mileage marks. And they are such fun to drive, it
Donald Snook wrote:
We did replace 1-2 transmissions, and of course, alternators, water pumps, and
various other bits.
How much did a water pump on a quad 4 run, $700?
Did they have any 2.4 Twin Cams before they started buying V6s?
Mitch.
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Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Your 300D 2.5 also proves one of Marshall's old mantras wrong. He said
Mercedes diesel auto trannys only lasted 150-200,000. I know at least
one of yours has (at least) 250,000 on the original tranny.
I wonder how much of that statistic is influenced by
It sounds like they racked up a lot of highway miles. over the road
fleet usage is different than ordinary usage too.
What was the average mileage of all cars in your service dept?
At 08:33 AM 12/2/2008, you wrote:
Loren wrote: I have yet to see an American car go over 400k without
the
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Loren wrote: I have yet to see an American car go over 400k without the
engine being worn out
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Years ago, the local Dominos franchise maintained a fleet of delivery cars.
We settled on trucks bought Toyotas, Fords Nissans over the years.
Of all of them, the Fords lasted ran the longest with many of them
going well over 300,000 miles! Some ran
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Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Years ago, the local Dominos
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Years ago, the local Dominos franchise maintained a fleet of delivery cars.
We settled on trucks bought Toyotas, Fords Nissans over the years.
Of all of them, the Fords lasted ran the longest with many of them going
well over 300,000 miles!
I guess somehow the
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Years ago, the local Dominos franchise maintained a fleet of delivery
cars.
We settled on trucks bought Toyotas, Fords Nissans
Mitch wrote: How much did a water pump on a quad 4 run, $700? Did they have
any 2.4 Twin Cams before they started buying V6s?
I don't think the water pump was that much. I would guess more like $400. I
don't remember any of the 2.4 engines. I liked the Quad 4 and the 3.1 V6, so
usually
Loren wrote: What was the average mileage of all cars in your service dept?
I have no idea. We had such a broad spectrum of vehicles. We had practically
new GMC pickups (we used to be the GMC dealer and the factory authorized us to
do warranty work for 2 years after we sold the cars), we also
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Years ago, the local Dominos franchise maintained a fleet of delivery cars.
We settled on trucks bought Toyotas, Fords
do they not make olds anymore?
Donald Snook wrote:
Loren wrote: What was the average mileage of all cars in your service dept?
I have no idea. We had such a broad spectrum of vehicles. We had practically
new GMC pickups (we used to be the GMC dealer and the factory authorized us to
do
Donald Snook wrote:
I don't think the water pump was that much. I would guess more like $400.
OK, thanks for the info. When I bought my 2.4L 1997 Achieva I had assumed the
water pump would be a 20 minute job like a twin cam Saturn, then after I owned
it I started hearing stories like after
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
do they not make olds anymore?
IIRC, the 2004 model year was the end of the line.
I'd kind of like to have a 4 cylinder, five speed 2004 Alero, but the 4cyl is
kind of rare, and the 5sp are as common as hen's teeth.
Mitch.
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
do they not make olds anymore?
IIRC, the 2004 model year was the end of the line.
I'd kind of like to have a 4 cylinder, five speed 2004 Alero, but the 4cyl
is kind of rare, and the 5sp are as common as hen's teeth.
Mitch
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok Don wrote: I might find out if they wil go the distance - one of them has
over 330,000 miles already, but sure doesn't act like it.
The other one has got to be getting close. I am convinced that those are the
MB
John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think what Marshall said was that the life of a transmission was
directly tied to the number of shifts it had to make during its life
time.
This is why I keep mine in S around town. Eliminates the frequent
shifting in and out of 4th gear.
Allan
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
do
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think what Marshall said was that the life of a transmission was
directly tied to the number of shifts it had to make during its life
time.
This is why I keep mine in S around town.
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
do they not make olds anymore?
IIRC, the 2004 model year was the end of the line.
I'd kind
John Freer wrote:
That's a good idea Allan. Also helps keep the carbon buildup at bay. I
miss that feature on the CDI. At 35 mph around town and I want to
shift down to 4th, it goes right down to 2nd as I have no control over
the gear selection at low speed.
You don't have the tip tronic or
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John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think what Marshall said was that the life of a transmission was
directly tied to the number of shifts it had to make during its life
time.
This is why I keep
Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the
average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k useable
miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1
million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership of the
Loren wrote:
It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the
average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k
useable miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a
lifespan of 1 million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership
of the SDL
I think a million miles is being a bit generous. Even if the engine does
make it, how many transmissions will it cost you, not to mention all the
other bits that fail with age and miles.
I've read where cars have a million on them, and had the engine freshened
a few times. That's not going a
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I think a million miles is being a bit generous
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I think a million miles is being a bit generous. Even if the engine does
make it, how many transmissions will it cost you, not to mention all the
other bits that fail with age and miles.
I've read where cars have a million on them, and had the engine freshened
I only have whatever money I got from the previous car.
If you can keep that going, you're lucky! I've been doing that with my RC
fixers lately. Hopefully, I can keep things going for quite a while and
basically have a self-sustaining hobby. It would take way more luck to do
it with
and now its in my junkyard. Still trying to decide what to do with that
car, fix it or part it
Loren Faeth wrote:
My observation is that few American cars are driven until worn out.
they end up in the junkyard with around 150k miles, or sooner if
wrecked. To be fair, the average MB ends up
My observation is that a lot of car's drive trains will last longer
than the rest of the car if they receive proper maintenance. The rest
of the car will fall apart around the drive train. The MB seems to be
the exception to that - in my limited experience.
I agree with Loren on the SDL - it's an
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