Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
How was your overall experience with the car? I've got a feeling that people who buy a Jetta and maintain it well have good experiences while those who fail to maintain tend to maintain failure. A friend has a 2000 or 2001 gasser base model with something like 250,000 miles and relatively few problems but he is a stickler on the maintenance. -Curt Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 20:10:16 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers Message-ID: CACnCPhmXTnux5sUpgRm8BA9rEwLCUwg6jX=48ottq3hy6h6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I bought a new VW Jetta TDI in 2000 it was a very good experience also. I had worked up the numbers I thought would be a reasonable discount. The first offer from the dealer was even lower than that so I just said there somewhat dumbfounded and asked for some more off that. The salesman said, we can do that. Done deal. I wrote them a check and they let me drive the car away. I bought it was diesel was $2.00/gallon (cough, cough) and another dealer was saying nobody would buy a diesel when its this high. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
When I bought a new VW Jetta TDI in 2000 it was a very good experience also. I had worked up the numbers I thought would be a reasonable discount. The first offer from the dealer was even lower than that so I just said there somewhat dumbfounded and asked for some more off that. The salesman said, we can do that. Done deal. I wrote them a check and they let me drive the car away. I bought it was diesel was $2.00/gallon (cough, cough) and another dealer was saying nobody would buy a diesel when its this high. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: That part was a striking difference between the VW dealer (same as the toymotor dealer) and the Ford dealer - they didn't even offer anything else - just cranked the paper and we were out of there. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: That's why I'll never again buy a car from a dealer unless they guarantee I won't have to listen to one word from a 'Finance Manager'. Mitch. -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dealers/stealers
Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
Sounds like a Fargo moment. Was the FM the son-in-law of the owner of the dealership? --R On 4/30/13 10:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
WILTON wrote: We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arra nged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. That's why I'll never again buy a car from a dealer unless they guarantee I won't have to listen to one word from a 'Finance Manager'. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
FM moment - yep. SIL? 'Don't know, may be. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers Sounds like a Fargo moment. Was the FM the son-in-law of the owner of the dealership? --R On 4/30/13 10:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
Hear, hear! I was already at that point; 'that's why I had insisted on CU anyway; then he suddenly started into his crap and just didn't want to shut the Hell up; he was damned determined to tack on another $27XX. 'Sure glad I was there to insist on, NO! Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers WILTON wrote: We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arra nged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. That's why I'll never again buy a car from a dealer unless they guarantee I won't have to listen to one word from a 'Finance Manager'. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
This is a good example why the private sector sucks and we need to socialize dealerships. A Federal agency would NEVER try that cr*p. Andrew, with tongue well up in cheek On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:10 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: FM moment - yep. SIL? 'Don't know, may be. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers Sounds like a Fargo moment. Was the FM the son-in-law of the owner of the dealership? --R On 4/30/13 10:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
Didn't we already try that? (Hint: Cash for Clunkers) --R On 4/30/13 11:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: This is a good example why the private sector sucks and we need to socialize dealerships. A Federal agency would NEVER try that cr*p. Andrew, with tongue well up in cheek On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:10 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: FM moment - yep. SIL? 'Don't know, may be. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers Sounds like a Fargo moment. Was the FM the son-in-law of the owner of the dealership? --R On 4/30/13 10:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers
On 30/04/2013 9:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton Did you check the papers really carefully? They sound like the sort of people who might have changed the inerest rate back to 8.9%. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All good reasons to avoid stealers. That said, I bought a car form a stealer a couple years ago. first time in 30 years. They had what I wanted and were up front that they needed to sell it or it went to auction. I bought it well enough that I am pretty sure I could sell it today and get all my cash back. They tried some of that crap on me but didn't push it when I said no. The thing that irritated me was having to go talk to this finance bozo when we had a deal and I was paying cash. That was irritating. I just wanted to sign the papers and be on the way. EVERY toada dealer I ever talked to have been arrogant irritating pricks. All good reasons, besides safety, not to buy toadas from a toada stealer. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is a story about the only time I ever purhcased a new car. My ex and I purchased a new 1976 Chevette from a dealership inTysons Corner, VA. The salesman quoted me a price and when I didn't try to counteroffer he just about fell off his chair. I was from NYC and totally naive in negotiating for a car (we never owned one when I was growing up). Out of compassion he offered to throw in the $75 undercoating. Oddly, the car turned out to be such reliable and cheap transportation for the next 6 years that we could afford to buy a used Mercedes in 1982. Happy ending. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: All good reasons to avoid stealers. That said, I bought a car form a stealer a couple years ago. first time in 30 years. They had what I wanted and were up front that they needed to sell it or it went to auction. I bought it well enough that I am pretty sure I could sell it today and get all my cash back. They tried some of that crap on me but didn't push it when I said no. The thing that irritated me was having to go talk to this finance bozo when we had a deal and I was paying cash. That was irritating. I just wanted to sign the papers and be on the way. EVERY toada dealer I ever talked to have been arrogant irritating pricks. All good reasons, besides safety, not to buy toadas from a toada stealer. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Son saw it and signed it, supposedly, at 1.99%, $230/mo; I'll confirm when I see CU lady tomorrow. Stealer FM was trying to jack it to $260/mo., saying, Oh, that's not much - only a dollar a day, etc., for this fantastic deal on long-term insurance. BTW, 'told CU lady 'bout stealer FM tactics this morning; she didn't seem pleased; I'm still not. She, son and I had it all set -- $13k @ 1.99%; all he had to do was write it up; didn't need to get into all of that other extraneous BS. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers On 30/04/2013 9:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as cook/chef about 1½ yr., so he's been in a bind for a few years.) I told CU lady I wanted it arranged however necessary for him to get lowest rate - 1.99%; if son couldn't qualify for that rate by himself, I'd sign with him. She worked it up for son by himself - 8.9%!! I said, No, do it however it takes for it to be at 1.99%. She checked my application and exclaimed, Debt free! How you do dat? My reply, By keeping stuff paid. ;) Then she decided we could get the loan at 1.99% if I were Primary - i. e., MY loan. Meanwhile, I asked if Mrs. X (manager) were still there. Lady responded, Yes, but it's Mrs. XY now, she got married. Lady studied papers and computer for few min and said, Excuse me, I'll be right back. In few minutes she came back with Mrs. XY, who hugged me enthusiastically and said, We're going to give son the loan by himself at the lowest rate - 1.99%. You've been with us for 34 years and paid off mortgage years ago; son has mortgage there, also, etc. Lady who was working on case called Toyota salesman to get an invoice, etc. and called clerk to start working up papers, etc. Few min later invoice arrived with wrong figures for ins. check - 'don't know where he got the imaginary figures. CU lady called Toyota; Toyota guy asked if we'd just go there and let him run the CU loan through his system in the usual manner and send it to CU electronically. I agreed reluctantly; they assured me that it was all same - still a CU loan at 1.99%. We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met finance manager for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan. I tried to be calm and try to listen to his alarmist crap; noticed that son didn't know what to do. I finally had to chime in with, No, please just work it up for the $13 CU loan and let's move on with it. You need to be taking stuff off - not tacking stuff on. The truck already has $3k worth of crap hung on it that he doesn't need. Finance guy wouldn't take No for an answer, though, and continued with his bull-dog-like alarmist crap. I told him at least twice more, No, if we can't depend on the Toyota we're buying any more than that, maybe we need to go somewhere else. Finally got 'im to shut up about the extended warranty and move along with the $13k CU loan that we had already arranged at the CU. Finally got it done and got the Hell out of there. I'm gonna try mighty hard not to ever go back. It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. Wilton Did you check the papers really carefully? They sound like the sort of people who might have changed the inerest rate back to 8.9%. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:30:16 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. You located the car through USAA, didn't you? How about letting them know what transpired? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did the ex leave when the Chebette did? Was she involved in the Happy Ending? --R On 4/30/13 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: This is a story about the only time I ever purhcased a new car. My ex and I purchased a new 1976 Chevette from a dealership inTysons Corner, VA. The salesman quoted me a price and when I didn't try to counteroffer he just about fell off his chair. I was from NYC and totally naive in negotiating for a car (we never owned one when I was growing up). Out of compassion he offered to throw in the $75 undercoating. Oddly, the car turned out to be such reliable and cheap transportation for the next 6 years that we could afford to buy a used Mercedes in 1982. Happy ending. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, 'didn't really locate this truck via USAA; the dealers/stealers on USAA list are 75 to 100 mi away. 'Talked to those about possibilities, then went to local stealer; found truck close enough to what son wanted and showed salesman one of the USAA discount certificates; made deal based on that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:30:16 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it onto son's CU loan. You located the car through USAA, didn't you? How about letting them know what transpired? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That part was a striking difference between the VW dealer (same as the toymotor dealer) and the Ford dealer - they didn't even offer anything else - just cranked the paper and we were out of there. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: That's why I'll never again buy a car from a dealer unless they guarantee I won't have to listen to one word from a 'Finance Manager'. Mitch. -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
