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Hehe, really big changes from when I was a student there 30 years ago, although Bloomingfoods still has a store downtown and it looks pretty much like it did then. In those days, town ended at College Mall on the east side, and all the students, by and large, lived in town. Now they live out, and parking is, well, none-existent. I can remember when a car was quite unusual, and most students didn't even have bicycles. On the west side, the intersection with 37 was the end of everything, now the sprawl just starts there! Ah, change. Wonderful town to live in. Peter
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"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It may have been I465. My wife went to IU. How do you like living in > Bloomingon? I suppose it's a different town every time the college > goes into session, or lets out. Sorry for the long delay -- I had marked this message for reply and then did not get back to it. Bloomington is very nice, overall. Small town, but with the university it has a lot of the cultural ammeneties of a much larger city. Fairly left-of-center politically, due to the university, though the county outside of Bloomington, and surrounding area, are much more conservative. You used to really notice the student influx in the fall and exodus in the spring, particularly with regard to traffic, but the last few years it has seemed to me to be much less. Maybe more people are staying for summer classes, or (more likely) there has just been enough growth in the town that the students are a smaller percentage of the population than they used to be. Still not big enough for commercial aviation; nearest is Indianapolis. We have an airport but only private aircraft use it. Over the years it has become a lot more like any suburban town; the usual chain restaurants, mall stores, big box superstores, etc. Good in a way, bad in a way. But overall I like it better than anywhere else I have lived. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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FWIW, on my last evening in Hawaii, the price of RUG is now $2.81. Immediately went up from $2.70 after the Tax Relief Law expired.. Diesel is $3.44 .. Hope that makes everyone feel better...The good news is that it is Beautiful in Hawaii.. Take care, Chuck Back to Phoenix tomorrow On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:52 PM, OK Don wrote: Diesel - $2.36, Unleaded 87 - $2.00 this eveing in OKC. On 1/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: $2.49/gal this morning (Gasmart in VA, US15, just south of the Potomac) -j. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Diesel - $2.36, Unleaded 87 - $2.00 this eveing in OKC. On 1/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: $2.49/gal this morning (Gasmart in VA, US15, just south of the Potomac) -j. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Yes - but the 450 117 engine in the SLC calls for 87. Of course, it only has 8:1 compression, and the performance to prove it. Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers? -j. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, LarryT wrote: > Around here (Va) the price of diesel has moderated somewhat. Last year, > diesel sold for more than premium gas but that price started sliding and > diesel is now about the same as premium. Gasmart is pretty decent on price. I usually hit the on on US 15 south of the potomac. -j.
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Werner Fehlauer wrote: At the FlyingJ last weekend in South Jersey, ULSD was 2.43, and RUG was 2.24. Somehow,across the state line in DE and PA, they manage to rip drivers off by charging 40-60 cents more per gallon for Diesel fuel, while only charging 10-20 cents more for gas. Can't all be just "taxes". In PA the tax on diesel is 7 cents higher than the tax on gasoline and the federal tax is 6 cents higher on diesel. The highest cost in a gallon of diesel is for the crude (now just a bit more than 1.50/gallon), then the tax ($0.595/gallon in PA), and the transportation, refining, distribution and profit make up the rest. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It may have been I465. My wife went to IU. How do you like living in Bloomingon? I suppose it's a different town every time the college goes into session, or lets out. There's a chance we may end up there someday, as it's close to my wife's family. She really likes the town and we had fun there when visitng. Brian 83 240D On 1/4/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Interesing note though: as we were driving to Indiana for Christmas, > we found an area along the interstate in Indiana that had diesel at > around 2.35-2.40 per gallon - just a few cents more than gasoline. There are a couple of truck stops along I-465 in Indianapolis which sell their fuel (gasoline and diesel) at least 10 cents -- sometimes 15 or 20 cents -- cheaper per gallon than I can get it in Bloomington about 50 miles south. I always fill up when I am up there. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Interesing note though: as we were driving to Indiana for Christmas, > we found an area along the interstate in Indiana that had diesel at > around 2.35-2.40 per gallon - just a few cents more than gasoline. There are a couple of truck stops along I-465 in Indianapolis which sell their fuel (gasoline and diesel) at least 10 cents -- sometimes 15 or 20 cents -- cheaper per gallon than I can get it in Bloomington about 50 miles south. I always fill up when I am up there. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Yes! We figure our 20 - 23 MPG Honda is a better deal financially to drive these days than our 26 - 28 MPG 240D. I long for the days when the frothy stuff was cheaper than the sweet smelling stuff. Interesing note though: as we were driving to Indiana for Christmas, we found an area along the interstate in Indiana that had diesel at around 2.35- 2.40 per gallon - just a few cents more than gasoline. Brian On 1/4/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Levi..Happy New Year! Diesel is ridiculous around here and I have wondered why myself..It's $2.799 at the place up the road and RUG is $2.40 to $2.42 depending on the mood of the manager I think:>) I hate it...I am going to have to leave my diesel van at home and use my Cherokee to pull the trialer to NC this weekend, not because the mileage is better(they both get 13 pulling the trailer) but because of the huge difference in price of the diesel over gas. Seems the price just never went back down like gas did a while backBaffles me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between > gas > and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is > diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? > Is > it because of ulsd? > > Levi > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you are correct. My nephew works for a store that sells things like the kerosene heaters. He says people use diesel in them and they clog up. They bring them back complaining and get their money back. He says they clean them up and resell them cheap to get rid of them as there is nothing wrong except for the fact that they won't burn diesel cleanly. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Kueny Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? I think that kerosene is refined more for use in kerosene heaters, which around here are often portable, unvented inside-the-house things. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Larry, How much is diesel per gallon in Va on average? I would love to drive my van this weekend but if the prices are as much higher there as they are here I will take my gasser Jeep. Thanks, Mike - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Around here (Va) the price of diesel has moderated somewhat. Last year, diesel sold for more than premium gas but that price started sliding and diesel is now about the same as premium. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How? Mike - Original Message - From: "James Zavesky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Using Regular will kill the MAS air flow sensor. Jim - Original Message - From: "John W. Reames III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Levi Smith wrote: > Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference > between gas > and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is > diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is > it because of ulsd? Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers? -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's pretty much what I am saying. Mike - Original Message - From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Werner Fehlauer wrote: A car that is designed with a high compression ratio that requires fuel that has good antiknock properties will perform better and more efficiently with the proper grade fuel. Generally you want to go by what the owner's manual says. If the manual says 87 octane, you won't gain anything by using 91. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think that kerosene is refined more for use in kerosene heaters, which around here are often portable, unvented inside-the-house things. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom deluxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback - Original Message - From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? There's another good question...Non taxable Kerosene is the same price as taxable diesel fuel around here. I may be a bit slow at times but that seems like gouging to me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? At one time, the mount of gas, diesel, etc extracted from a barrel of oil depended on the oil. At that time, diesel as almost a waste product. But through modern cracking & reformulation processes, the refineries can choose what they get out of a barrel & you can get more gas per gallon of crude oil than diesel. It also doesn't help that diesel is taxed more per gallon than gas. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Hi Levi..Happy New Year! Diesel is ridiculous around here and I have wondered why myself..It's $2.799 at the place up the road and RUG is $2.40 to $2.42 depending on the mood of the manager I think:>) I hate it...I am going to have to leave my diesel van at home and use my Cherokee to pull the trialer to NC this weekend, not because the mileage is better(they both get 13 pulling the trailer) but because of the huge difference in price of the diesel over gas. Seems the price just never went back down like gas did a while backBaffles me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On the 103, yes, you do have to use premium. On the later 116 and 116 4.2 and 5.6, you can run 87 just fine. Donald Snook wrote: John Reames wrote: "Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers?" I always thought that the use of premium gas in most cars was a waste of money. I still that is true for an average everyday (chevy, Ford, whatever car). When I got my 1990 300SEL I was only putting in premium because that's what MB says to use and it seemed like a good idea. I kept thinking that one day I would buy the mid grade and see if I noticed any difference. While I was aware on a trip for work, I pulled into an unfamiliar gas station and pushed the wrong button and ended up putting in 18-gallons of regular 87 fuel. I had a few gallons of premium in the tank. I thought, well this is my opportunity to see how it runs. I am a believer now. It ran worse. It was noticeable. It pinged and hesitated and didn't climb hills as well. I ran it down to half a tank and filled up with 91 again and it seemed to improve. By the time I ran the next tank through it was back to normal. I will not use anything but 91 (or 93) in my again. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Exactly. It's a waste to put in premium UNLESS your manual tells you to put it in. In modern cars it probably won't cause any damage to put in lower octane than recommended but you probably won't get full performance. Levi On 1/4/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Au contrare - while most modern cars are under computer control so that when they sense "knocking", they can retard the spark accordingly so that the driver thinks all is OK, the engine does NOT run as efficiently as it can. Mileage and power suffer. A car that is designed with a high compression ratio that requires fuel that has good antiknock properties will perform better and more efficiently with the proper grade fuel. Now if you're talking about additives, just about all gasoline has enough of the needed "snake oil" additives to keep the fuel system clean and operating as designed. Its the engine and its high compression that requires the high octane stuff. Werner - Original Message - From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > Running hi grade gasoline in most modern EFI cars is a waste of money. If > it runs fine without pinging on 87 then there is no reason for a higher > octane. > > Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Using Regular will kill the MAS air flow sensor. Jim - Original Message - From: "John W. Reames III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Levi Smith wrote: > > > Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas > > and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is > > diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is > > it because of ulsd? > > Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... > > Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers? > -j. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >
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Werner Fehlauer wrote: > A car that is designed with a high compression ratio that requires fuel that > has good antiknock properties will perform better and more efficiently with > the proper grade fuel. > Generally you want to go by what the owner's manual says. If the manual says 87 octane, you won't gain anything by using 91.
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Au contrare - while most modern cars are under computer control so that when they sense "knocking", they can retard the spark accordingly so that the driver thinks all is OK, the engine does NOT run as efficiently as it can. Mileage and power suffer. A car that is designed with a high compression ratio that requires fuel that has good antiknock properties will perform better and more efficiently with the proper grade fuel. Now if you're talking about additives, just about all gasoline has enough of the needed "snake oil" additives to keep the fuel system clean and operating as designed. Its the engine and its high compression that requires the high octane stuff. Werner - Original Message - From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Running hi grade gasoline in most modern EFI cars is a waste of money. If it runs fine without pinging on 87 then there is no reason for a higher octane. Mike
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What is the compression ratio on the engine in a 300SL? I know NOTHING about MBZ gassers. Mike - Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? John Reames wrote: "Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers?" I always thought that the use of premium gas in most cars was a waste of money. I still that is true for an average everyday (chevy, Ford, whatever car). When I got my 1990 300SEL I was only putting in premium because that's what MB says to use and it seemed like a good idea. I kept thinking that one day I would buy the mid grade and see if I noticed any difference. While I was aware on a trip for work, I pulled into an unfamiliar gas station and pushed the wrong button and ended up putting in 18-gallons of regular 87 fuel. I had a few gallons of premium in the tank. I thought, well this is my opportunity to see how it runs. I am a believer now. It ran worse. It was noticeable. It pinged and hesitated and didn't climb hills as well. I ran it down to half a tank and filled up with 91 again and it seemed to improve. By the time I ran the next tank through it was back to normal. I will not use anything but 91 (or 93) in my again. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Reames wrote: "Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers?" I always thought that the use of premium gas in most cars was a waste of money. I still that is true for an average everyday (chevy, Ford, whatever car). When I got my 1990 300SEL I was only putting in premium because that's what MB says to use and it seemed like a good idea. I kept thinking that one day I would buy the mid grade and see if I noticed any difference. While I was aware on a trip for work, I pulled into an unfamiliar gas station and pushed the wrong button and ended up putting in 18-gallons of regular 87 fuel. I had a few gallons of premium in the tank. I thought, well this is my opportunity to see how it runs. I am a believer now. It ran worse. It was noticeable. It pinged and hesitated and didn't climb hills as well. I ran it down to half a tank and filled up with 91 again and it seemed to improve. By the time I ran the next tank through it was back to normal. I will not use anything but 91 (or 93) in my again. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
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Running hi grade gasoline in most modern EFI cars is a waste of money. If it runs fine without pinging on 87 then there is no reason for a higher octane. Mike - Original Message - From: "John W. Reames III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Levi Smith wrote: Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers? -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At the FlyingJ last weekend in South Jersey, ULSD was 2.43, and RUG was 2.24. Somehow,across the state line in DE and PA, they manage to rip drivers off by charging 40-60 cents more per gallon for Diesel fuel, while only charging 10-20 cents more for gas. Can't all be just "taxes". Werner - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? In MA IIRC diesel is taxed something like $0.40 more per gallon than gas. With diesel now onyl $0.30/gal more than gas it'd be cheaper than gas if it weren't for the tax... It gets cheaper in the summer too, remember that diesel and home heating fuel are the same thing. Get everybody to convert to propane, natural gas or (shudder) electric and diesel prices would plummet. -Curt Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:18:27 -0500 From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Levi Smith wrote: > Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas > and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is > diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is > it because of ulsd? Where I buy, Diesel is 2.59 and High-test is 2.59... Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers? -j.
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
In MA IIRC diesel is taxed something like $0.40 more per gallon than gas. With diesel now onyl $0.30/gal more than gas it'd be cheaper than gas if it weren't for the tax... It gets cheaper in the summer too, remember that diesel and home heating fuel are the same thing. Get everybody to convert to propane, natural gas or (shudder) electric and diesel prices would plummet. -Curt Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:18:27 -0500 From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 04 18:14:18 2007 Received: from web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.33]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2X6Y-0008Gg-1R for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:14:18 + Received: (qmail 31424 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2007 18:11:10 - X-YMail-OSG: nftKyXgVM1l5r7NQBDSs3DYaZBvf2IAvGbUvejgxs0Oi.OQ8AQ5xVNvw8dVl.gDq6v85wV_X2u34FCY1u7V3FRk_WP_yjshrhH5Le1qT2BUFJ6Rikf.5uyLEhpkaVdol75lP_TThywAAIqnjfOpCVPuik6ZdWpncwtwvZua2T6MBB3uMtckwoRZpwmCN Received: from [63.209.225.74] by web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:11:09 PST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:14:18 - MUCH lower demand for kerosene these days. Add to that kerosene of today (K1) is not what kerosesne of yesterday (stove oil) was. Today its a lighter faction of diesel fuel. Back in the day it was whatever was leftover after the refining process was complete. Good: K1 stinks alot less and burns alot cleaner. Newer refining processes keep all oil based fuels way cheaper than they should be based on inflation and increases in the cost of extraction. Bad: Expensive K1. -Curt Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:41:34 -0500 From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original There's another good question...Non taxable Kerosene is the same price as taxable diesel fuel around here. I may be a bit slow at times but that seems like gouging to me. Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 04 18:18:27 2007 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2XAY-0008Ni-Ja for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:18:27 + Received: (qmail 96972 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2007 18:15:18 - X-YMail-OSG: 6hO_m_cVM1kFquAGlv5cM9XCZoWiwciLRcYMR1pj.qke31imlSCRDmtMd0c7AYEQH76fTqcQMykhXEsyTSC15L4ylUjy9TtQTF8rjf2hGcxTRbH8Y79nReVosLhmbPHk.XgIXGYJDI2erMw- Received: from [63.209.225.74] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:15:18 PST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: [MBZ] OT: Spiders X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <h
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
Perhaps it has something to do with the cost of creating the new ultralow sulfur diesel fuel? On 1/4/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's another good question...Non taxable Kerosene is the same price as taxable diesel fuel around here. I may be a bit slow at times but that seems like gouging to me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > At one time, the mount of gas, diesel, etc extracted from a barrel of oil > depended on the oil. At that time, diesel as almost a waste product. But > through modern cracking & reformulation processes, the refineries can > choose > what they get out of a barrel & you can get more gas per gallon of crude > oil > than diesel. It also doesn't help that diesel is taxed more per gallon > than > gas. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Mike Canfield > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:19 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > > Hi Levi..Happy New Year! > > Diesel is ridiculous around here and I have wondered why > myself..It's $2.799 at the place up the road and RUG is $2.40 to > $2.42 depending on the mood of the manager I think:>) > I hate it...I am going to have to leave my diesel van at home and use > my Cherokee to pull the trialer to NC this weekend, not because the > mileage > is better(they both get 13 pulling the trailer) but because of the huge > difference in price of the diesel over gas. > Seems the price just never went back down like gas did a while > backBaffles me. > > Mike > ----- Original Message - > From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM > Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > > >> Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between >> gas >> and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is >> diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? >> Is >> it because of ulsd? >> >> Levi >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
There's another good question...Non taxable Kerosene is the same price as taxable diesel fuel around here. I may be a bit slow at times but that seems like gouging to me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? At one time, the mount of gas, diesel, etc extracted from a barrel of oil depended on the oil. At that time, diesel as almost a waste product. But through modern cracking & reformulation processes, the refineries can choose what they get out of a barrel & you can get more gas per gallon of crude oil than diesel. It also doesn't help that diesel is taxed more per gallon than gas. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Hi Levi..Happy New Year! Diesel is ridiculous around here and I have wondered why myself..It's $2.799 at the place up the road and RUG is $2.40 to $2.42 depending on the mood of the manager I think:>) I hate it...I am going to have to leave my diesel van at home and use my Cherokee to pull the trialer to NC this weekend, not because the mileage is better(they both get 13 pulling the trailer) but because of the huge difference in price of the diesel over gas. Seems the price just never went back down like gas did a while backBaffles me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
At one time, the mount of gas, diesel, etc extracted from a barrel of oil depended on the oil. At that time, diesel as almost a waste product. But through modern cracking & reformulation processes, the refineries can choose what they get out of a barrel & you can get more gas per gallon of crude oil than diesel. It also doesn't help that diesel is taxed more per gallon than gas. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Hi Levi..Happy New Year! Diesel is ridiculous around here and I have wondered why myself..It's $2.799 at the place up the road and RUG is $2.40 to $2.42 depending on the mood of the manager I think:>) I hate it...I am going to have to leave my diesel van at home and use my Cherokee to pull the trialer to NC this weekend, not because the mileage is better(they both get 13 pulling the trailer) but because of the huge difference in price of the diesel over gas. Seems the price just never went back down like gas did a while backBaffles me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? > Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between > gas > and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is > diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? > Is > it because of ulsd? > > Levi > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
Hi Levi..Happy New Year! Diesel is ridiculous around here and I have wondered why myself..It's $2.799 at the place up the road and RUG is $2.40 to $2.42 depending on the mood of the manager I think:>) I hate it...I am going to have to leave my diesel van at home and use my Cherokee to pull the trialer to NC this weekend, not because the mileage is better(they both get 13 pulling the trailer) but because of the huge difference in price of the diesel over gas. Seems the price just never went back down like gas did a while backBaffles me. Mike - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
Hi, All. a. Because they can. b. They may be charging on the quantity of energy per gallon. c. Damfino. Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis Maximus Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi
[MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
Anyone heard or care to make any guesses on the price difference between gas and diesel? Am I ever going to see Diesel cheaper than gas again? Or is diesel simply going to keep it's 30-80 cent increase in price over gas? Is it because of ulsd? Levi
[MBZ] Gas vs diesel prices
> < prices I guess I'll report on the prices around here (Va) - unleaded gas is > around $2.45 with diesel even higher at $2.49.>> > Ya know, comparing fuel prices state to state is really quite meaningless unless you deduct all of the state fuel taxes first. My state, Washington, is in the midst of jacking up taxes right now (again) and it's certain that what we pay will be more than Oregon or Nevada, for example. But, it's apples and you know what. I'd be interested in tracking the pre-state tax prices which would be give some idea what the producers are charging, particularly in adjacent states. RLE
