Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
I just opened both needed blades, one on each side, never felt the need for another set. On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 7:30 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2021-01-25 14:15, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > *Or splurge and buy single (long) gauges with the plastic handles, > > which > > makes it even easier.* > > I've seen those and was blown away. Only for the Truly Spoiled. > > Used to be able to buy 12" replacement blades for Snap-On feeler gauges > fairly cheap, like $1/blade 30 years ago. A little Plasti-Dip and Bob's > yer unkle. > Anything over .010 is fairly sturdy. > A 12" .004 is pretty floppy. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
On 2021-01-25 14:15, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: *Or splurge and buy single (long) gauges with the plastic handles, which makes it even easier.* I've seen those and was blown away. Only for the Truly Spoiled. Used to be able to buy 12" replacement blades for Snap-On feeler gauges fairly cheap, like $1/blade 30 years ago. A little Plasti-Dip and Bob's yer unkle. Anything over .010 is fairly sturdy. A 12" .004 is pretty floppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
*Or splurge and buy single (long) gauges with the plastic handles, which makes it even easier.* I've seen those and was blown away. Only for the Truly Spoiled. On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 3:08 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Or splurge and buy single (long) gauges with the plastic handles, which > makes it even easier. > > -D > > > On Jan 25, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > It can also be handy to have two sets of feeler gauges, so that you're > > not constantly flipping the blades back and forth on one set for the > > intake and exhaust clearances. > > > > Allan > > > > dan--- via Mercedes writes: > > > >> I have a little chart of the valve arrangement for the OM617 with the > order to adjust them in that prints on a 3x5 index card. Print it out, Mark > them off as you do each, throw paper away. > >> > >> I can dig a copy out for anyone who wants it, send me a PM. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Jan 25, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I got wrenches from a pawn shop and put the torch to them and bent > them. Makes the job easier. > >>> > >>> --R > >>> Sent from iPhone > >>> > On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but > regular wrenches will work > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Or splurge and buy single (long) gauges with the plastic handles, which makes it even easier. -D > On Jan 25, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > It can also be handy to have two sets of feeler gauges, so that you're > not constantly flipping the blades back and forth on one set for the > intake and exhaust clearances. > > Allan > > dan--- via Mercedes writes: > >> I have a little chart of the valve arrangement for the OM617 with the order >> to adjust them in that prints on a 3x5 index card. Print it out, Mark them >> off as you do each, throw paper away. >> >> I can dig a copy out for anyone who wants it, send me a PM. >> >> -D >> >>> On Jan 25, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I got wrenches from a pawn shop and put the torch to them and bent them. >>> Makes the job easier. >>> >>> --R >>> Sent from iPhone >>> On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but regular wrenches will work > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
It can also be handy to have two sets of feeler gauges, so that you're not constantly flipping the blades back and forth on one set for the intake and exhaust clearances. Allan dan--- via Mercedes writes: > I have a little chart of the valve arrangement for the OM617 with the order > to adjust them in that prints on a 3x5 index card. Print it out, Mark them > off as you do each, throw paper away. > > I can dig a copy out for anyone who wants it, send me a PM. > > -D > >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I got wrenches from a pawn shop and put the torch to them and bent them. >> Makes the job easier. >> >> --R >> Sent from iPhone >> >>> On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but >>> regular wrenches will work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Buy the OE valve cover seal. Anything else is junk and won’t fit well. As long as they’re not damaged they will last many years. Also be sure you have the copper washers for the hold down bolts, too. -D > On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Gloves are a good idea. The valve cover seal ought to go a couple sets but > I'd probably keep one on hand just in case. > -Curt > >On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 10:42:13 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > >> You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and >> a screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the >> tools. I know they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're >> needed on a 240D. > > I've never done them on a 240D. For the OM617, I bought a pair of cheap > wrenches and bent them like the "special" ones. Definitely helpful. But > yes it's not a bad DIY job, though I'd suggest gloves as you'll get some > black oil on your hands. Also replace the gasket on the valve > cover. It's a good idea regardless, but especially if it's old it won't > seal up well again. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Gloves are a good idea. The valve cover seal ought to go a couple sets but I'd probably keep one on hand just in case. -Curt On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 10:42:13 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and > a screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the > tools. I know they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're > needed on a 240D. I've never done them on a 240D. For the OM617, I bought a pair of cheap wrenches and bent them like the "special" ones. Definitely helpful. But yes it's not a bad DIY job, though I'd suggest gloves as you'll get some black oil on your hands. Also replace the gasket on the valve cover. It's a good idea regardless, but especially if it's old it won't seal up well again. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
The "trick" is that you adjust valves in the order that they come up to the proper position as the camshaft is rotated, and you do NOT go in sequential order of one cylinder to the next. I mark a piece of scratch paper with "E \ I" repeated once for each cylinder (meaning Exhaust and Intake) and as each valve comes up (lobe points to the oiler tube) you adjust that valve and mark it off on the paper. For instances, let's say #1 exhaust valve is fully closed, camshaft lobe pointing to the oil tube, so you adjust that valve and mark it off on your paper. Watch the camshaft as you rotate the engine clockwise, and #3 Intake valve comes up next. Adjust that, mark off the paper, and continue. You should be able to adjust each valve in less than one complete rotation of the camshaft. You need the paper chart so you can keep track of what you've done and not miss any. DON"T FORGET to check the timing chain stretch while you have the valve cover off! The attached document says it is for newer engines, but the same principle applies to the OM61x engines. I like to lay a straight edge across the camshaft bearing caps, lined up over the marks so that it makes it very easy to line up to the mark on the camshaft gear. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:44 AM dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I have a little chart of the valve arrangement for the OM617 with the > order to adjust them in that prints on a 3x5 index card. Print it out, Mark > them off as you do each, throw paper away. > > I can dig a copy out for anyone who wants it, send me a PM. > > -D > > > On Jan 25, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I got wrenches from a pawn shop and put the torch to them and bent them. > Makes the job easier. > > > > --R > > Sent from iPhone > > > >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but > >> regular wrenches will work > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Timing Chain Check.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
I have a little chart of the valve arrangement for the OM617 with the order to adjust them in that prints on a 3x5 index card. Print it out, Mark them off as you do each, throw paper away. I can dig a copy out for anyone who wants it, send me a PM. -D > On Jan 25, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I got wrenches from a pawn shop and put the torch to them and bent them. > Makes the job easier. > > --R > Sent from iPhone > >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but >> regular wrenches will work > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
I got wrenches from a pawn shop and put the torch to them and bent them. Makes the job easier. --R Sent from iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but > regular wrenches will work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
You need to develop a "feel" for how much adjustment is needed to change the gap by a thousandth or two. You can only measure the gap with the jam nut tight so it's: measure, loosen, tweak, tighten, and measure again; then repeat until it's in spec. After a the first few valves you should be able to "nail" each adjustment in two or three tries. Don't over-tighten the jam nuts. The cam lobe should point directly away from the rocker contact point (not exactly vertically down). I have always been able to turn the engine with a wrench on the power steering pump pulley nut, easier than turning at the crank, IMO. Turn ONLY in the direction of normal engine rotation. While the valve cover is off, measure chain stretch (several times) by aligning the marks on the cam tower and then reading the angle off the crankshaft pulley. You might need to clean the crank pulley up first if it's gunky. Replace the valve cover gasket if stiff or condition unknown. Don't overtighten the valve cover fasteners. I always use a piece of paper (actually a picture copied from the manual) to keep track of the valves (and final gap values) as I adjust them. I always wear gloves when working on a Diesel engines because the soot (in oil) is hard to remove from bare hands and gloves give me a better grip. I buy Nitrile gloves at Harbor Freight by the box of 100. The special bent wrenches are a bit faster but regular wrenches will work. It seems there are always one or two valves that try my patience. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 10:41 PM To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse? Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and > a screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the tools. > I know they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're needed on > a 240D. I've never done them on a 240D. For the OM617, I bought a pair of cheap wrenches and bent them like the "special" ones. Definitely helpful. But yes it's not a bad DIY job, though I'd suggest gloves as you'll get some black oil on your hands. Also replace the gasket on the valve cover. It's a good idea regardless, but especially if it's old it won't seal up well again. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
What Curt said - - I set the valves every spring and fall on the OM615, 616, and 617 engines. I never bent the wrenches, just used them straight, though I can see that it would have been a bit easier if I had. Of course, I had been setting valves on VW's for years before that, as well as MGs, Triumphs, etc. On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 9:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Valves are absolutely something you can do yourself on a 240D. I've only > done them once but I was struck by 2 things: > 1. It was much easier than I expected. I planned on 2 hours, I think it > took 1 and it would go faster the more I did it.2. The car started and ran > MUCH better and quieter after the adjustment. > I don't like having people do valves because they're supposed to be set > dead cold and I don't think most mechanics do that. I can plan to leave the > car overnight so its ready for me to set them the next day. > You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and a > screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the tools. I know > they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're needed on a 240D. > Which reminds me I should look into setting the valves on the ASV. Nobody > knows how long its been since thats been done. I've got 30 or so hours on > the machine. The last guy probably had 100, its been like 6-8 years... > -Curt > > On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 12:51:32 PM EST, Donald Snook via > Mercedes wrote: > > Jim wrote: > > “Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. > Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The > Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because > somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it > would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half.” > > Jaime wrote: > > “I agree, if you had it floored most of the time something is wrong. > While they’re not fast, they should easily get up to highway speed to the > point that you have to back off unless you encounter a steep hill. Keeping > the pedal down will bring you to 85-90mph pretty easily. > Start with linkage, and all the maintenance stuff of course” > > Ok. Good thoughts. I’ll start with the linkage to see anything obvious. > > In terms of maintenance, I figured I would start with stuff I can do like > Fuel filters. I have a diesel purge kit too. > > I am thinking I should probably have the valves adjusted/checked. I > noticed when it starts up, it runs a little rough until I give it more > fuel. It smooths out. It also has quite a bit of whitish gray smoke. My > old worn out 82 300D with 400K miles would blow out black smoke. > > I’m wondering about the glow plugs too. Isn’t there a way to check them > with a multimeter? I remember changing the plugs on my 617. I thought I > would start with the hardest one. It turned out the one right in the middle > was the hardest. With rough running and white smoke and low power, couldn’t > that be a bad glow plug? > > Donald H. Snook > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Yes. Valve cover gasket is cheap insurance Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 10:42 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > > > You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and > > a screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the > > tools. I know they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're > > needed on a 240D. > > I've never done them on a 240D. For the OM617, I bought a pair of cheap > wrenches and bent them like the "special" ones. Definitely helpful. But > yes it's not a bad DIY job, though I'd suggest gloves as you'll get some > black oil on your hands. Also replace the gasket on the valve > cover. It's a good idea regardless, but especially if it's old it won't > seal up well again. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and > a screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the > tools. I know they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're > needed on a 240D. I've never done them on a 240D. For the OM617, I bought a pair of cheap wrenches and bent them like the "special" ones. Definitely helpful. But yes it's not a bad DIY job, though I'd suggest gloves as you'll get some black oil on your hands. Also replace the gasket on the valve cover. It's a good idea regardless, but especially if it's old it won't seal up well again. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Yes valve adjustment is critical on OM 616 & OM 617 engines. I figure every 10k miles. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 10:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Valves are absolutely something you can do yourself on a 240D. I've only > done them once but I was struck by 2 things: > 1. It was much easier than I expected. I planned on 2 hours, I think it > took 1 and it would go faster the more I did it.2. The car started and ran > MUCH better and quieter after the adjustment. > I don't like having people do valves because they're supposed to be set > dead cold and I don't think most mechanics do that. I can plan to leave the > car overnight so its ready for me to set them the next day. > You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and a > screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the tools. I know > they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're needed on a 240D. > Which reminds me I should look into setting the valves on the ASV. Nobody > knows how long its been since thats been done. I've got 30 or so hours on > the machine. The last guy probably had 100, its been like 6-8 years... > -Curt > > On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 12:51:32 PM EST, Donald Snook via > Mercedes wrote: > > Jim wrote: > > “Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. > Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The > Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because > somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it > would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half.” > > Jaime wrote: > > “I agree, if you had it floored most of the time something is wrong. > While they’re not fast, they should easily get up to highway speed to the > point that you have to back off unless you encounter a steep hill. Keeping > the pedal down will bring you to 85-90mph pretty easily. > Start with linkage, and all the maintenance stuff of course” > > Ok. Good thoughts. I’ll start with the linkage to see anything obvious. > > In terms of maintenance, I figured I would start with stuff I can do like > Fuel filters. I have a diesel purge kit too. > > I am thinking I should probably have the valves adjusted/checked. I > noticed when it starts up, it runs a little rough until I give it more > fuel. It smooths out. It also has quite a bit of whitish gray smoke. My > old worn out 82 300D with 400K miles would blow out black smoke. > > I’m wondering about the glow plugs too. Isn’t there a way to check them > with a multimeter? I remember changing the plugs on my 617. I thought I > would start with the hardest one. It turned out the one right in the middle > was the hardest. With rough running and white smoke and low power, couldn’t > that be a bad glow plug? > > Donald H. Snook > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Valves are absolutely something you can do yourself on a 240D. I've only done them once but I was struck by 2 things: 1. It was much easier than I expected. I planned on 2 hours, I think it took 1 and it would go faster the more I did it.2. The car started and ran MUCH better and quieter after the adjustment. I don't like having people do valves because they're supposed to be set dead cold and I don't think most mechanics do that. I can plan to leave the car overnight so its ready for me to set them the next day. You only need a set of feeler gauges, a reasonable set of wrenches and a screwdriver. $20-$30 at Harbor Freight would get you all the tools. I know they sell special wrenches but I don't think they're needed on a 240D. Which reminds me I should look into setting the valves on the ASV. Nobody knows how long its been since thats been done. I've got 30 or so hours on the machine. The last guy probably had 100, its been like 6-8 years... -Curt On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 12:51:32 PM EST, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: Jim wrote: “Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half.” Jaime wrote: “I agree, if you had it floored most of the time something is wrong. While they’re not fast, they should easily get up to highway speed to the point that you have to back off unless you encounter a steep hill. Keeping the pedal down will bring you to 85-90mph pretty easily. Start with linkage, and all the maintenance stuff of course” Ok. Good thoughts. I’ll start with the linkage to see anything obvious. In terms of maintenance, I figured I would start with stuff I can do like Fuel filters. I have a diesel purge kit too. I am thinking I should probably have the valves adjusted/checked. I noticed when it starts up, it runs a little rough until I give it more fuel. It smooths out. It also has quite a bit of whitish gray smoke. My old worn out 82 300D with 400K miles would blow out black smoke. I’m wondering about the glow plugs too. Isn’t there a way to check them with a multimeter? I remember changing the plugs on my 617. I thought I would start with the hardest one. It turned out the one right in the middle was the hardest. With rough running and white smoke and low power, couldn’t that be a bad glow plug? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
I commuted about 100k miles in my 78 240D auto. I called it a middle lane car. 75-80 was just right for I 95 commuting.. got between 28-30 MPG. Not sure i ever ran it @ 87.5 MPH as Curt says. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 6:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > New fuel filters and some diesel purge / Italian tune ups should be in > your future. On the flat a 4spd manual 240D should make 87.5mph. They don't > strain, they're governor limited, the engine just won't turn any faster. > Best fuel economy I ever turned in in something like 100,000 miles across > 2x 240Ds was 32mpg, average was around 28 so it sounds like you're doing > fine there. A couple 0-60 runs should tell the tale, IIRC it should be > around 20 seconds. > > My '78 had an issue where the pedal wasn't moving the rack the whole way > reliably. I don't remember exactly but there are several linkages and > ge-gaws and whatnot. IIRC some people complain about the rubber joint right > at the firewall. I seem to remember mine had a bushing on the block that > had failed, caused it to only go to about 3/4 of the pedal. Once I fixed > that it was much peppier. > -Curt > > On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 10:53:31 AM EST, Donald Snook via > Mercedes wrote: > > Kaleb wrote: > > > How far have you made it? Noting has flown apart yet? I kind of miss > that car actually. I do need to get a 240D going for myself to drive. > > > > I made it all the way home. I stopped a couple times to take a break and > tried to figure out instrument cluster and fuse issue. Never did have luck. > > Nothing flew off! Thankfully. I do understand what others have said about > how slow these are. And yes, it takes some planning ahead. > It was good on flat stretches. I could maintain 70-73 mph. A few times, if > there was a pretty good hill I could get close to 80. Having the new tires > was much better. I would have been nervous with old tires. > > I had heard some people say that when these cars are at maximum speed they > are really straining. It definitely didn’t feel that way to me. When I was > getting up to speed it definitely generates some RPMS, but once I shifted > into 4th, it seemed to just settle in. It’s not fast — at all. But, once > it’s in 4th and cruising at 70 mph, it felt like it wasn’t straining. It > was like it was saying, “ok, here we are at cruising speed. This is what > you get. I can do this all day, but I’m not pushing too hard.” > > I had the pedal Floored for pretty much the whole time. But, at 70 mph it > didn’t feel like it was working too hard. > > I did check the mileage. I had to guess a little based on mileage traveled > on my GPS because the odometer quit. My calculations are probably pretty > close. 27.5 mpg. > > Don Snook > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
New fuel filters and some diesel purge / Italian tune ups should be in your future. On the flat a 4spd manual 240D should make 87.5mph. They don't strain, they're governor limited, the engine just won't turn any faster. Best fuel economy I ever turned in in something like 100,000 miles across 2x 240Ds was 32mpg, average was around 28 so it sounds like you're doing fine there. A couple 0-60 runs should tell the tale, IIRC it should be around 20 seconds. My '78 had an issue where the pedal wasn't moving the rack the whole way reliably. I don't remember exactly but there are several linkages and ge-gaws and whatnot. IIRC some people complain about the rubber joint right at the firewall. I seem to remember mine had a bushing on the block that had failed, caused it to only go to about 3/4 of the pedal. Once I fixed that it was much peppier. -Curt On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 10:53:31 AM EST, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb wrote: > How far have you made it? Noting has flown apart yet? I kind of miss that > car actually. I do need to get a 240D going for myself to drive. > I made it all the way home. I stopped a couple times to take a break and tried to figure out instrument cluster and fuse issue. Never did have luck. Nothing flew off! Thankfully. I do understand what others have said about how slow these are. And yes, it takes some planning ahead. It was good on flat stretches. I could maintain 70-73 mph. A few times, if there was a pretty good hill I could get close to 80. Having the new tires was much better. I would have been nervous with old tires. I had heard some people say that when these cars are at maximum speed they are really straining. It definitely didn’t feel that way to me. When I was getting up to speed it definitely generates some RPMS, but once I shifted into 4th, it seemed to just settle in. It’s not fast — at all. But, once it’s in 4th and cruising at 70 mph, it felt like it wasn’t straining. It was like it was saying, “ok, here we are at cruising speed. This is what you get. I can do this all day, but I’m not pushing too hard.” I had the pedal Floored for pretty much the whole time. But, at 70 mph it didn’t feel like it was working too hard. I did check the mileage. I had to guess a little based on mileage traveled on my GPS because the odometer quit. My calculations are probably pretty close. 27.5 mpg. Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Nope - just stopped counting while driving a steady 70, about 50 miles from snook's house. On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 12:41 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2021-01-24 12:27, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > Strange - the odometer in the 300D 2.5T I bought from you died on the > > trip > > home as well - seems to be a trend. > > Coincidence, or you guys are resetting the trip meter as you go down the > freeway after a fillup? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
On 2021-01-24 12:27, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Strange - the odometer in the 300D 2.5T I bought from you died on the trip home as well - seems to be a trend. Coincidence, or you guys are resetting the trip meter as you go down the freeway after a fillup? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
GP's affect cold starting. Valves, when they first become too tight, also only affect cold starting. (If they get tight enough it'll affect running, and can result in burned valves.) GP's, the parallel kind, should measure about 0.7 ohms when cold. It's easy to do from the GP relay plug. You need a decent meter that can reliably read sub-ohm values. These are both good tests/adjustments to do on any new-to-you vehicle. Also look for fuel leaks, dirty filters, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
The glow plugs only affect starting, then they turn off - they have no impact to power delivery. If it starts in the cold, they are fine. On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:51 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I’m wondering about the glow plugs too. Isn’t there a way to check them > with a multimeter? I remember changing the plugs on my 617. I thought I > would start with the hardest one. It turned out the one right in the middle > was the hardest. With rough running and white smoke and low power, couldn’t > that be a bad glow plug? > > Donald H. Snook > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Don’t bother with a diesel purge, your highway drive was better for it than any purge! Valve adjustment is critical. On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Jim wrote: > > “Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. > Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The > Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because > somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it > would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half.” > > Jaime wrote: > > “I agree, if you had it floored most of the time something is wrong. > While they’re not fast, they should easily get up to highway speed to the > point that you have to back off unless you encounter a steep hill. Keeping > the pedal down will bring you to 85-90mph pretty easily. > Start with linkage, and all the maintenance stuff of course” > > Ok. Good thoughts. I’ll start with the linkage to see anything obvious. > > In terms of maintenance, I figured I would start with stuff I can do like > Fuel filters. I have a diesel purge kit too. > > I am thinking I should probably have the valves adjusted/checked. I > noticed when it starts up, it runs a little rough until I give it more > fuel. It smooths out. It also has quite a bit of whitish gray smoke. My > old worn out 82 300D with 400K miles would blow out black smoke. > > I’m wondering about the glow plugs too. Isn’t there a way to check them > with a multimeter? I remember changing the plugs on my 617. I thought I > would start with the hardest one. It turned out the one right in the middle > was the hardest. With rough running and white smoke and low power, couldn’t > that be a bad glow plug? > > Donald H. Snook > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Jim wrote: “Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half.” Jaime wrote: “I agree, if you had it floored most of the time something is wrong. While they’re not fast, they should easily get up to highway speed to the point that you have to back off unless you encounter a steep hill. Keeping the pedal down will bring you to 85-90mph pretty easily. Start with linkage, and all the maintenance stuff of course” Ok. Good thoughts. I’ll start with the linkage to see anything obvious. In terms of maintenance, I figured I would start with stuff I can do like Fuel filters. I have a diesel purge kit too. I am thinking I should probably have the valves adjusted/checked. I noticed when it starts up, it runs a little rough until I give it more fuel. It smooths out. It also has quite a bit of whitish gray smoke. My old worn out 82 300D with 400K miles would blow out black smoke. I’m wondering about the glow plugs too. Isn’t there a way to check them with a multimeter? I remember changing the plugs on my 617. I thought I would start with the hardest one. It turned out the one right in the middle was the hardest. With rough running and white smoke and low power, couldn’t that be a bad glow plug? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
That's a feature of a KlebCar™. -D > On Jan 24, 2021, at 12:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 9:53 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I did check the mileage. I had to guess a little based on mileage traveled >> on my GPS because the odometer quit. My calculations are probably pretty >> close. 27.5 mpg. >> > > Strange - the odometer in the 300D 2.5T I bought from you died on the trip > home as well - seems to be a trend. > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 9:53 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I did check the mileage. I had to guess a little based on mileage traveled > on my GPS because the odometer quit. My calculations are probably pretty > close. 27.5 mpg. > Strange - the odometer in the 300D 2.5T I bought from you died on the trip home as well - seems to be a trend. -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
> Does the injector linkage hit the stop on the pump when the pedal is at the > floor? The Albatross' stop adjustment on the pump was way off. I looked at it and the other two 300D engines that I had accessible to me, and made it look more like those. Good enough at that point. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Bingo: throttle linkage issues are very common and rob power. That would be the first check. Does the injector linkage hit the stop on the pump when the pedal is at the floor? Max Dillon Charleston SC Jan 24, 2021 11:10:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes : > Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. > Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The > Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because > somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it > would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
I agree, if you had it floored most of the time something is wrong. While they’re not fast, they should easily get up to highway speed to the point that you have to back off unless you encounter a steep hill. Keeping the pedal down will bring you to 85-90mph pretty easily. Start with linkage, and all the maintenance stuff of course On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:10 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. > Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The > Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because > somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it > would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Even my W115 200D would maintain 85mph floored on the flats. Eventually. If your 240D can't do that, it's not dialed in right. The Albatross (240D) had real problems at first, but that's because somebody dicked with the throttle linkages to the point where it would not reach full throttle. Probably not even half. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Initial thoughts of 240D was Re: Instrument cluster Fuse?
Kaleb wrote: > How far have you made it? Noting has flown apart yet? I kind of miss that > car actually. I do need to get a 240D going for myself to drive. > I made it all the way home. I stopped a couple times to take a break and tried to figure out instrument cluster and fuse issue. Never did have luck. Nothing flew off! Thankfully. I do understand what others have said about how slow these are. And yes, it takes some planning ahead. It was good on flat stretches. I could maintain 70-73 mph. A few times, if there was a pretty good hill I could get close to 80. Having the new tires was much better. I would have been nervous with old tires. I had heard some people say that when these cars are at maximum speed they are really straining. It definitely didn’t feel that way to me. When I was getting up to speed it definitely generates some RPMS, but once I shifted into 4th, it seemed to just settle in. It’s not fast — at all. But, once it’s in 4th and cruising at 70 mph, it felt like it wasn’t straining. It was like it was saying, “ok, here we are at cruising speed. This is what you get. I can do this all day, but I’m not pushing too hard.” I had the pedal Floored for pretty much the whole time. But, at 70 mph it didn’t feel like it was working too hard. I did check the mileage. I had to guess a little based on mileage traveled on my GPS because the odometer quit. My calculations are probably pretty close. 27.5 mpg. Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
