Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Well, if no one else remembers that comment my memory must be faulty. I'm sure not going to search the archives looking for oil threads LOL ;-) LarryT 91 300D youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 4:36 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Negative, unless you can find a post specifically supporting that. -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:12:42 -0400 From: Larry l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 3D0AF867FD214545B28A8C82C78E7E4D@Acer Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? LarryT youroil.net -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Larry l02tur...@comcast.net writes: Well, if no one else remembers that comment my memory must be faulty. I'm sure not going to search the archives looking for oil threads LOL ;-) I vaguely recall it. The way I remember it the 5W-40 (a/k/a M1 Delvac) was better at soot suspension but the 15W-50 was adequate, and diesel rated. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I asked for further clarification to see if the formula is really unchanged. I can say that the car seems no different using this oil. I went either 7 or 13,000 on the oil, I can't find a slip to prove either way... Oops! Good thing I'm using M1. I usually change at ~8,000 on the 617 and 12,000 on the 601. I've never done analysis on the 616 since I don't consider 8,000 a long duration. Need to order kits for the 601 as it nears the 8,000 mark on this oil change. I haven't done analysis on the '84 yet, did a bunch on the '85... -Curt Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:31:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: m11uy8mksx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? LarryT youroil.net -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Larry l02tur...@comcast.net writes: I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? It was on the 229.1 approved lists for diesel engines. What's not certain is whether today's M1 15W-50 is the same oil. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Do you know what the zinc levels are on the Brad Penn 15W40? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
No - I have not done an Analysis on it yet, but I was told the levels are high enough to protect the older engines. It's nearing time for me to pull a sample and mail it in will let you know .. LarryT 91 300D youroil.net -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Do you know what the zinc levels are on the Brad Penn 15W40? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
The reason why I'm asking is because it is a fairly inexpensive oil that I'd like to use on my 71 280SL. AFAIK the green Brad Penn stuff has high zinc levels but I don't think that 15W40 is green. Right now I'm using Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing oil on the 280SL and it is around $4.50 per quart as opposed the the Brad Penn 15W40 for under $3 per quart. The valvoline stuff clearly states high levels of zinc on the container but doesn't specify an amount. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: No - I have not done an Analysis on it yet, but I was told the levels are high enough to protect the older engines. It's nearing time for me to pull a sample and mail it in will let you know .. LarryT 91 300D youroil.net -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Do you know what the zinc levels are on the Brad Penn 15W40? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Negative, unless you can find a post specifically supporting that. -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:12:42 -0400 From: Larry l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 3D0AF867FD214545B28A8C82C78E7E4D@Acer Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? LarryT youroil.net -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out. $9.37/qt is ~$1/qt more than I paid for M1 the other day although I did have to also pay tax. They just put an Autozone near here just over the NH border, goodbye tax on motor oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:22:00 -0400 From: Larry l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: D6A9670B55014A3BA4616F08E5527502@Acer Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Curt Raymond wrote: I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out. $9.37/qt is ~$1/qt more than I paid for M1 the other day although I did have to also pay tax. They just put an Autozone near here just over the NH border, goodbye tax on motor oil... I think the last gallon of 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck I bought was $20. (about two months ago) For the time being, I'll stick to buying M1 at the grocery store, especially now that Meijer sale prices are better than the regular price at that other store I don't go to anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Thats a great price for M1, around here its $8+ recently, big hike in the last 2-3 months, I was paying closer to $5 not long ago. Hopefully just a localized spike. If not maybe I'll order 100 quarts and sell 'em out of the back of my car. -Curt Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:53:09 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 4e10d6b5.6020...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out. $9.37/qt is ~$1/qt more than I paid for M1 the other day although I did have to also pay tax. They just put an Autozone near here just over the NH border, goodbye tax on motor oil... I think the last gallon of 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck I bought was $20. (about two months ago) For the time being, I'll stick to buying M1 at the grocery store, especially now that Meijer sale prices are better than the regular price at that other store I don't go to anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Curt Raymond wrote: Thats a great price for M1, around here its $8+ recently, big hike in the last 2-3 months, I was paying closer to $5 not long ago. Hopefully just a localized spike. If not maybe I'll order 100 quarts and sell 'em out of the back of my car. Yesterday, the 5.1qt jugs (yea, 0.1qt more than at Wal-Mart) were on sale for $25 at Meijer, and there's a $5 off on any $24.97 or higher item coupon this weekend. Unfortunately, they didn't have any 15W50, the 5W40 doesn't come in 5.1qt, and I've got a 2-3 year supply of 5w30 and 10w30 already. At Advance Auto, it's $28 a gallon or $8,69 a qt. Too bad those 40% coupons don't work on oil. I did get a heck of a deal on a 5 gallon pail of ATF last summer, paid something like $30 for it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
No, the Ci and CI-4 is for new engine designs, and does not provide the additive packages needed for OM61x and OM60x engines. I think that was from Herr Doktor Marshall (RIP) WE need CF and it is a separate spec. I guess it is time to join amsiol and buy theirs. I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Anyway it sounds a lot like the sort of think a marketing drone would say. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 1309544256.26136.yahoomailclas...@web161013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mobil's website still says CF for the 15w50, I wonder if the website is just behind the times... -Curt --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: M1 15w50 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 2:13 PM Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] M1 15w50
Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Mobil's website still says CF for the 15w50, I wonder if the website is just behind the times... -Curt --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: M1 15w50 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 2:13 PM Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
pity about the M1 not showing diesel ratings; i see their website still shows it as being 'C' rated, but we know how often websites are out-of-date,... i don't see it mentioned here very often, but if you don't mind paying for good oil, what about Redline? i've had good luck with Redline products in general (including in a turbocharged rotary race car that used to rapidly coke every other oil we tried), and they have a 15W40 specifically for Diesel they claim is MB 228.3 rated. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=7pcid=21 cheers! e On 01/Jul/11 11:13, Curt Raymond wrote: #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Mobil's website still says CF for the 15w50, I wonder if the website is just behind the times... The evidence is really indicating that the accountants at Exxon-Mobil must be exerting some influence in the Mobil-1 line. Maybe because Herr Doktor is not around to keep them honest anymore (I think he did actually know people on the inside there). -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Allan Streib wrote: The evidence is really indicating that the accountants at Exxon-Mobil must be exerting some influence in the Mobil-1 line. Maybe because Herr Doktor is not around to keep them honest anymore (I think he did actually know people on the inside there). Do they still have M1 Extended Performance for those who want real synthetic oil? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Anyway it sounds a lot like the sort of think a marketing drone would say. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 1309544256.26136.yahoomailclas...@web161013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mobil's website still says CF for the 15w50, I wonder if the website is just behind the times... -Curt --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: M1 15w50 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 2:13 PM Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
The problem I have with Redline is the same as with Amsoil, no good local availability. Royal Purple is supposed to be just as good quality and my local Car Quest has it. Of course they only carry 10w30 but they'll generally special order anything I want... -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:13:49 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 4e0e1c6d.7000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed pity about the M1 not showing diesel ratings; i see their website still shows it as being 'C' rated, but we know how often websites are out-of-date,... i don't see it mentioned here very often, but if you don't mind paying for good oil, what about Redline? i've had good luck with Redline products in general (including in a turbocharged rotary race car that used to rapidly coke every other oil we tried), and they have a 15W40 specifically for Diesel they claim is MB 228.3 rated. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=7pcid=21 cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I've been through this exact thing with oil companies over Spec oil for Detroit Diesel 2 stroke 8V71 engines. The spec says straight 40 wt , low ash oil with a spec for exactly what low ash is. All the oil companies decided that since EPA has nearly regulated the 2 stroke diesel out of existence they would simply re-brand their oils. The result was that they , without warning, changed the spec formulation and still called it by the safe name. The new oil , under the old name, no longer met Detroit specs. Sounds like same thing has happened in this case. What we had to do was do a very detailed point by point comparison of the Spec sheet for the old formulation [the approved one] and every other brand on the market to find who still met the old spec. Lot of work, but worth the effort. Overhaul cost on an 8V71 these days from oil failure runs in the $12 to $20 grand range. Ouch. From experience, the sales reps will blow smoke up your exit orifice any time they don't know or don't care what the right answer is. Published specs are available , you have to ask for them sometimes more than once. Grant.. Doesn't own anything with a spark plug. AZ On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Anyway it sounds a lot like the sort of think a marketing drone would say. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 1309544256.26136.yahoomailclas...@web161013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mobil's website still says CF for the 15w50, I wonder if the website is just behind the times... -Curt --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: M1 15w50 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 2:13 PM Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
you could, of course, always order direct from the mfr instead of asking your FLAPS to do it,... i don't remember what happened when we tried Royal Purple, it's been so long ago, and since things change i went to look at them again. they also have a 15W40 that's not specifically marketed as a diesel oil but that they say is 'C' rated for diesel and claim it meets some mfrs specs: 15W40 meets Cummins CES 20081, DDC Powerguard 93K218, Mack E0-0 Premium Plus, Renault VI RLD-3 and Volvo VDS-4 engine oil requirements. no claim of it meeting any MBZ specs, FWIW. cheers! e On 01/Jul/11 19:08, Curt Raymond wrote: The problem I have with Redline is the same as with Amsoil, no good local availability. Royal Purple is supposed to be just as good quality and my local Car Quest has it. Of course they only carry 10w30 but they'll generally special order anything I want... -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:13:49 -0700 From: ernest breakfielderne...@backyardengineering.org To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID:4e0e1c6d.7000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed pity about the M1 not showing diesel ratings; i see their website still shows it as being 'C' rated, but we know how often websites are out-of-date,... i don't see it mentioned here very often, but if you don't mind paying for good oil, what about Redline? i've had good luck with Redline products in general (including in a turbocharged rotary race car that used to rapidly coke every other oil we tried), and they have a 15W40 specifically for Diesel they claim is MB 228.3 rated. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=7pcid=21 cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
