Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Might sound like a [headlight] upgrade but these things are junk.

The Mazcedes had 'upgraded' headlights.  Pure crap.
Going back to stock would have been the best thing you
could do.  Not my problem anymore, though.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Stock up on real headlamps while you still can.
https://www.amazon.com/PHILIPS-H6024C1-Standard-Halogen-headlamp/dp/B00SQU3F8K

On 2021-08-15 21:42, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Well one more bad fuse and now I have working parking lights on both
sides of the car as well as headlights.

Somewhere along the way "Neolite" H4 headlamps were installed in place
of the original lights. Might sound like an upgrade but these things
are junk.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Well one more bad fuse and now I have working parking lights on both sides of 
the car as well as headlights.

Somewhere along the way "Neolite" H4 headlamps were installed in place of the 
original lights. Might sound like an upgrade but these things are junk. 
Lightweight plastic and just flimsy feeling. They also had either a DRL 
function or maybe foglight (using H3 bulbs) and "city lights" or possibly 
additional turn signal using a small incandescent bulb, all crammed in the 7" 
diameter lamp housing and wired up but not working. I'm not keeping those crap 
lights so I cut all the non-stock wiring out and that helped a lot with the 
rats nest of wire under the hood but there is still more cleanup to do to 
repair the miscellaneous electrical things that were added and removed over the 
years.

I need to get some contact cleaner and clean all the fuse holders and all the 
push-tab connectors. Everything is fairly dirty.

Allan


On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Seems it was the fuse. It has those ceramic fuses with the external metal 
> fuse. One of them was badly corroded at one end.
> 
> Marshall was right about changing old fuses.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> > You are correct.  Probably a rusty harness connector somewhere.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Seems it was the fuse. It has those ceramic fuses with the external metal fuse. 
One of them was badly corroded at one end.

Marshall was right about changing old fuses.

Allan

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> You are correct.  Probably a rusty harness connector somewhere.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You are correct.  Probably a rusty harness connector somewhere.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Trying to figure out why my left side headlights and parking lights don't work.

With headlights on, I measure 12v at the bulb socket. Headlight verified 
working by connecting it to a battery charger.

I made up some short leads with crimp-on tab connectors at one end to fit into 
the headlight socket. I measure 12v on these. Connecting them to the headlight, 
voltage drops to zero, no light. I tried measuring current flow, nothing.

I tried grounding directly to the body instead of using the ground wire in the 
headlight socket. No difference.

So I'm thinking there must be some huge resistance somewhere between the switch 
and the headlight on that side. The meter sees 12v but no current can flow 
under load. So I'm looking for a corroded connection or splice somewhere on the 
positive side? Sound right?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Exactly - I ran one (009) in my 1951 bug.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 6:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I liked them because the advance curve was smoother than that of the
> vacuum advance model and they eliminated the vacuum line and related
> plumbing.
>
> -D
>
> On Aug 11, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Curt Raymond  curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> I remember the 009 being a very tribal choice. Those who were into them
> loved them but there was a case to be made for vacuum advance although I
> don't remember any more about it.
>
> Curt
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>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement
> on any of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is
> 100% centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum
> stuff, too.
>
> Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me
> after 40+ years...
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well running much better now.
> >
> > I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle
> mixture screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> >
> > I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed
> went up, so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still
> a "flat" spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it
> seems even better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it
> advances to a little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old
> timing light doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing
> marks appear to be jumping around some.
> >
> > Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature
> monitoring on this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a
> "for fun" car mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right
> now. Probably will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little
> while just for good measure.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I liked them because the advance curve was smoother than that of the vacuum 
advance model and they eliminated the vacuum line and related plumbing.

-D

On Aug 11, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Curt Raymond 
mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

I remember the 009 being a very tribal choice. Those who were into them loved 
them but there was a case to be made for vacuum advance although I don't 
remember any more about it.

Curt

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On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on any 
of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, too.

Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 40+ 
years...

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Well running much better now.
>
> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
> screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
>
> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
> so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
> spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
> better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
> little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
> doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear 
> to be jumping around some.
>
> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
> this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
> mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
> will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
> good measure.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I remember the 009 being a very tribal choice. Those who were into them loved 
them but there was a case to be made for vacuum advance although I don't 
remember any more about it.
Curt

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  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes wrote:   Vacuum advance on the distributor? A 
really easy performance enhancement on any of these engines is to go with a 
Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% centrifugal advance. Much better curve 
and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, too.

Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 40+ 
years...

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well running much better now.
> 
> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
> screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> 
> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
> so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
> spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
> better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
> little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
> doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear 
> to be jumping around some.
> 
> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
> this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
> mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
> will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
> good measure.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I used to have a Datsun B3000 or something like that, early 80's econobox sedan.

The tune-up procedure for setting the ignition timing was to note the current 
setting, perform a 0-60 run and note the time required.  Adjust a small amount 
in either direction, perform 0-60 run, compare original and new time, and 
proceed with further adjustment until the fastest time was achieved.

Max Dillon
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Aug 10, 2021 9:18:05 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Well running much better now.
> 
> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
> screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> 
> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
> so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
> spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
> better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
> little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
> doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear 
> to be jumping around some.
> 
> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
> this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
> mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
> will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
> good measure.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Nice. That makes things sooo much easier to maintain.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes it does have the 009 distributor with electronic ignition, no points. 
> Part of the engine upgrades that were done in 2005.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021, at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on 
>> any of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
>> centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, 
>> too.
>> 
>> Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 
>> 40+ years...
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well running much better now.
>>> 
>>> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle 
>>> mixture screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
>>> 
>>> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went 
>>> up, so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a 
>>> "flat" spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems 
>>> even better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it 
>>> advances to a little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old 
>>> timing light doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing 
>>> marks appear to be jumping around some.
>>> 
>>> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring 
>>> on this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" 
>>> car mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. 
>>> Probably will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while 
>>> just for good measure.
>>> 
>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes it does have the 009 distributor with electronic ignition, no points. Part 
of the engine upgrades that were done in 2005.

Allan

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021, at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on 
> any of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
> centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, 
> too.
> 
> Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 
> 40+ years...
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well running much better now.
> > 
> > I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle 
> > mixture screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> > 
> > I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went 
> > up, so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a 
> > "flat" spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems 
> > even better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it 
> > advances to a little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old 
> > timing light doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing 
> > marks appear to be jumping around some.
> > 
> > Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring 
> > on this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" 
> > car mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. 
> > Probably will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while 
> > just for good measure.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on any 
of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, too.

Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 40+ 
years...

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well running much better now.
> 
> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
> screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> 
> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
> so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
> spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
> better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
> little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
> doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear 
> to be jumping around some.
> 
> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
> this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
> mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
> will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
> good measure.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Well running much better now.

I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.

I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear to 
be jumping around some.

Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
good measure.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I buy it in the gallon jug and refill the little cans. The gallon jug is eye 
wateringly expensive but for the price of 5 cans you get the volume of 9

Curt

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  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 11:15 PM, G Mann wrote:   Seafoam 
was invented to solve a particular problem in the boating industry. Outboard 
motors are a seasonal use device. Spring, summer, early fall, they get used, 
then comes winter and they are stored [stored means everything from left on the 
boat in the water to brought inside and kept dry]. All that said, the months of 
non use brought about the fuel/ oil mix congealing in the carbs and plugging 
jets, etc.. everything we are plagued with. Then came SeaFoam, which dissolves 
all the crud and lets you get back on the lake or river without the expensive 
annual engine rebuild cost. Lucky us... it also works on cars, trucks, and 
tractors... Great stuff... It pulls the rabbit out of the hat time after time. 
They even make a version to add to engine oil that dissolves sludge in the 
crankcase. That works well also... Cheap? no. but it works.
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 5:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I've had really good luck with Seafoam loosening stuck needles in carbs. It's 
also an excellent fuel stabilizer.
Curt

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  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   I do have Techron in the tank now... 
but at the recommended dilution. I suppose a high strength shot won't really 
hurt anything as a one-time attempt.

Leno keeps raving about Seafoam also. Might try that.

Allan

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> Remember how we used to put the fuel supply and return hoses in a can of 
> diesel purge and idle our OM617s until the DP was gone?
> 
> You might set up to to run on a mix of ethanol free gas and Techron that 
> way, or just dump a bottle in the tank with a couple gallons of gas and 
> go for a drive.
> 
> On 2021-08-08 21:21, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > 
> > And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs
> > apart and go through them.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Seafoam was invented to solve a particular problem in the boating industry.
Outboard motors are a seasonal use device. Spring, summer, early fall, they
get used, then comes winter and they are stored [stored means everything
from left on the boat in the water to brought inside and kept dry]. All
that said, the months of non use brought about the fuel/ oil mix congealing
in the carbs and plugging jets, etc.. everything we are plagued with.
Then came SeaFoam, which dissolves all the crud and lets you get back on
the lake or river without the expensive annual engine rebuild cost.
Lucky us... it also works on cars, trucks, and tractors... Great stuff...
It pulls the rabbit out of the hat time after time. They even make a
version to add to engine oil that dissolves sludge in the crankcase. That
works well also... Cheap? no. but it works.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 5:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I've had really good luck with Seafoam loosening stuck needles in carbs.
> It's also an excellent fuel stabilizer.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I do have Techron in the tank now... but
> at the recommended dilution. I suppose a high strength shot won't really
> hurt anything as a one-time attempt.
>
> Leno keeps raving about Seafoam also. Might try that.
>
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Remember how we used to put the fuel supply and return hoses in a can of
> > diesel purge and idle our OM617s until the DP was gone?
> >
> > You might set up to to run on a mix of ethanol free gas and Techron that
> > way, or just dump a bottle in the tank with a couple gallons of gas and
> > go for a drive.
> >
> > On 2021-08-08 21:21, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs
> > > apart and go through them.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've had really good luck with Seafoam loosening stuck needles in carbs. It's 
also an excellent fuel stabilizer.
Curt

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  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   I do have Techron in the tank now... 
but at the recommended dilution. I suppose a high strength shot won't really 
hurt anything as a one-time attempt.

Leno keeps raving about Seafoam also. Might try that.

Allan

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> Remember how we used to put the fuel supply and return hoses in a can of 
> diesel purge and idle our OM617s until the DP was gone?
> 
> You might set up to to run on a mix of ethanol free gas and Techron that 
> way, or just dump a bottle in the tank with a couple gallons of gas and 
> go for a drive.
> 
> On 2021-08-08 21:21, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > 
> > And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs
> > apart and go through them.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I do have Techron in the tank now... but at the recommended dilution. I suppose 
a high strength shot won't really hurt anything as a one-time attempt.

Leno keeps raving about Seafoam also. Might try that.

Allan

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> Remember how we used to put the fuel supply and return hoses in a can of 
> diesel purge and idle our OM617s until the DP was gone?
> 
> You might set up to to run on a mix of ethanol free gas and Techron that 
> way, or just dump a bottle in the tank with a couple gallons of gas and 
> go for a drive.
> 
> On 2021-08-08 21:21, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > 
> > And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs
> > apart and go through them.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Remember how we used to put the fuel supply and return hoses in a can of 
diesel purge and idle our OM617s until the DP was gone?


You might set up to to run on a mix of ethanol free gas and Techron that 
way, or just dump a bottle in the tank with a couple gallons of gas and 
go for a drive.


On 2021-08-08 21:21, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:



And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs
apart and go through them.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Redneck engineering works!

--FT 
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> On Aug 8, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was at Harbor Freight today and they had a cheap overhead valve spring 
> compressor so I bought it. I tried it but could not see how to release the 
> spring keeper on the top of the valve stem. The compressor hooks around the 
> lower turns of the spring and then has a screw to press the top down. All it 
> did was pull the bottom of the spring up.
> 
> So I gave up on that and used a hose clamp, a wooden block, and a pry bar to 
> operate the rocker arm with the pushrods removed. The valve seemed to move 
> fine; it felt the same as the one next to it anyway.
> 
> New pushrod installed, clearances set, new spark plugs -- and it's running on 
> 4 cylinders now. Verified by checking exhaust pipe temps with infrared 
> thermometer. Also sounds better.
> 
> Drives somewhat better, still stumbles when I put my foot down. Now that it's 
> running on 4 cylinders, my carb balancing is off. So I need to go through 
> that again. I'm going to play with the timing a bit also, it's roughly right 
> but maybe I can advance it a bit more.
> 
> And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs apart and 
> go through them. 
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Could be.  Rotate engine so that cylinder is "up" and then remove the valve 
>> springs for exhaust and intake. They should move by finger.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> Aug 7, 2021 11:52:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what 
>>> bent the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it?
>>> 
>>> Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem 
>>> with a pry bar to see if it moves.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive.
 
 -D
 
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three 
> are straight.
> 
> It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?
> 
> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000
> 
> Pretty inexpensive!
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up 
>> against the cam lobe.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, 
>>> but I
>>> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  
>>> What
>>> a great book!
>>> 
>>> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel 
>>> and
>>> below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
>>> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end 
>>> in
>>> the head somewhere.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I was at Harbor Freight today and they had a cheap overhead valve spring 
compressor so I bought it. I tried it but could not see how to release the 
spring keeper on the top of the valve stem. The compressor hooks around the 
lower turns of the spring and then has a screw to press the top down. All it 
did was pull the bottom of the spring up.

So I gave up on that and used a hose clamp, a wooden block, and a pry bar to 
operate the rocker arm with the pushrods removed. The valve seemed to move 
fine; it felt the same as the one next to it anyway.

New pushrod installed, clearances set, new spark plugs -- and it's running on 4 
cylinders now. Verified by checking exhaust pipe temps with infrared 
thermometer. Also sounds better.

Drives somewhat better, still stumbles when I put my foot down. Now that it's 
running on 4 cylinders, my carb balancing is off. So I need to go through that 
again. I'm going to play with the timing a bit also, it's roughly right but 
maybe I can advance it a bit more.

And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs apart and go 
through them. 

Allan

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Could be.  Rotate engine so that cylinder is "up" and then remove the valve 
> springs for exhaust and intake. They should move by finger.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Aug 7, 2021 11:52:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
> 
> > Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what 
> > bent the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it?
> > 
> > Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem 
> > with a pry bar to see if it moves.
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three 
> >>> are straight.
> >>> 
> >>> It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?
> >>> 
> >>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000
> >>> 
> >>> Pretty inexpensive!
> >>> 
> >>> Allan
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>  Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up 
>  against the cam lobe.
>  
>  -D
>  
> > On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, 
> > but I
> > really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  
> > What
> > a great book!
> > 
> > OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel 
> > and
> > below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
> > not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end 
> > in
> > the head somewhere.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Could be.  Rotate engine so that cylinder is "up" and then remove the valve 
springs for exhaust and intake. They should move by finger.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Aug 7, 2021 11:52:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what 
> bent the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it?
> 
> Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem with 
> a pry bar to see if it moves.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three 
>>> are straight.
>>> 
>>> It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?
>>> 
>>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000
>>> 
>>> Pretty inexpensive!
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up 
 against the cam lobe.
 
 -D
 
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but 
> I
> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
> a great book!
> 
> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel 
> and
> below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
> the head somewhere.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> 
> wrote:
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what bent 
the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it?

Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem with a 
pry bar to see if it moves.

Allan

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three 
> > are straight.
> > 
> > It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?
> > 
> > https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000
> > 
> > Pretty inexpensive!
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up 
> >> against the cam lobe.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but 
> >>> I
> >>> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
> >>> a great book!
> >>> 
> >>> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel 
> >>> and
> >>> below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
> >>> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
> >>> the head somewhere.
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
>  Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
>  Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
>  spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
>  push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
>  lose thus unseated itself.
>  Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
>  split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
>  you shouldn't have to go there.
>  https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
>  
>  I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve 
>  springs
>  in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
>  could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess 
>  clearance
>  for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been 
>  sitting
>  unused for any extended time?
>  
>  On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
> > Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> > out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's
>  going
> > on.
> > 
> > I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> > drawing a blank.
> > 
> > Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope
>  the
> > bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> > years ago.
> > 
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> > 
> > Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  > :
> > 
> >> Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> > spring? Over-revving?
> >> 
> >> And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> > again?
> >> 
> >> Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> >> 
> >> Allan
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> That would cause some problems…
> >>> 
> >>> -D
> >>> 
>  On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
>  
>  
>  On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > One problem spotted
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Actually Autozone lists them with free store pickup. Summit wants $12 to ship a 
$2 part.

Allan

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three 
> > are straight.
> > 
> > It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?
> > 
> > https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000
> > 
> > Pretty inexpensive!
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up 
> >> against the cam lobe.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but 
> >>> I
> >>> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
> >>> a great book!
> >>> 
> >>> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel 
> >>> and
> >>> below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
> >>> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
> >>> the head somewhere.
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
>  Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
>  Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
>  spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
>  push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
>  lose thus unseated itself.
>  Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
>  split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
>  you shouldn't have to go there.
>  https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
>  
>  I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve 
>  springs
>  in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
>  could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess 
>  clearance
>  for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been 
>  sitting
>  unused for any extended time?
>  
>  On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
> > Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> > out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's
>  going
> > on.
> > 
> > I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> > drawing a blank.
> > 
> > Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope
>  the
> > bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> > years ago.
> > 
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> > 
> > Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  > :
> > 
> >> Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> > spring? Over-revving?
> >> 
> >> And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> > again?
> >> 
> >> Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> >> 
> >> Allan
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> That would cause some problems…
> >>> 
> >>> -D
> >>> 
>  On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
>  
>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive.

-D

> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three are 
> straight.
> 
> It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?
> 
> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000
> 
> Pretty inexpensive!
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up against 
>> the cam lobe.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but I
>>> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
>>> a great book!
>>> 
>>> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel and
>>> below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
>>> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
>>> the head somewhere.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
 Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
 spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
 push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
 lose thus unseated itself.
 Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
 split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
 you shouldn't have to go there.
 https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
 
 I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve springs
 in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
 could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess clearance
 for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been sitting
 unused for any extended time?
 
 On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's
 going
> on.
> 
> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> drawing a blank.
> 
> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope
 the
> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> years ago.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  :
> 
>> Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> spring? Over-revving?
>> 
>> And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> again?
>> 
>> Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That would cause some problems…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three are 
straight.

It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000

Pretty inexpensive!

Allan


On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up against 
> the cam lobe.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but I
> > really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
> > a great book!
> > 
> > OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel and
> > below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
> > not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
> > the head somewhere.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
> >> Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
> >> spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
> >> push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
> >> lose thus unseated itself.
> >> Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
> >> split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
> >> you shouldn't have to go there.
> >> https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
> >> 
> >> I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve springs
> >> in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
> >> could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess clearance
> >> for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been sitting
> >> unused for any extended time?
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> >>> out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's
> >> going
> >>> on.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> >>> drawing a blank.
> >>> 
> >>> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope
> >> the
> >>> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> >>> years ago.
> >>> 
> >>> Max Dillon
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  >>> :
> >>> 
>  Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> >>> spring? Over-revving?
>  
>  And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> >>> again?
>  
>  Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
>  
>  Allan
>  
>  On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > That would cause some problems…
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> One problem spotted
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up against the 
cam lobe.

-D

> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but I
> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
> a great book!
> 
> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel and
> below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
> the head somewhere.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
>> Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
>> spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
>> push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
>> lose thus unseated itself.
>> Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
>> split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
>> you shouldn't have to go there.
>> https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
>> 
>> I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve springs
>> in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
>> could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess clearance
>> for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been sitting
>> unused for any extended time?
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
>>> out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's
>> going
>>> on.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
>>> drawing a blank.
>>> 
>>> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope
>> the
>>> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
>>> years ago.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes >> :
>>> 
 Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
>>> spring? Over-revving?
 
 And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
>>> again?
 
 Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
 
 Allan
 
 On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> That would cause some problems…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> One problem spotted
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but I
really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember.  What
a great book!

OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel and
below the crankshaft?  Is that right?  IIRC that is the setup.  Probably
not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in
the head somewhere.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
> Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
> spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
> push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
> lose thus unseated itself.
> Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
> split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
> you shouldn't have to go there.
> https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
>
> I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve springs
> in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
> could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess clearance
> for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been sitting
> unused for any extended time?
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> > out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's
> going
> > on.
> >
> > I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> > drawing a blank.
> >
> > Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope
> the
> > bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> > years ago.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> > Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  >:
> >
> > > Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> > spring? Over-revving?
> > >
> > > And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> > again?
> > >
> > > Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> That would cause some problems…
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >  One problem spotted
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It would work the same way. Since it’s effectively out of the engine now, you 
might as well check it to be sure.

Having owned and worked on more VW engines than I care to recall, I wouldn’t 
worry too much about this. High-revving can cause it as well as some ham-handed 
mechanic not getting things lined up when replacing the rocker arm assembly.

Remove the rocker arm assembly, or simply loosen it if you prefer, make sure 
all of the ball ends of the pushrods are in the sockets of the rocker arms, 
torque the nuts to spec, adjust the valves, and move on.

It’s a VW, you’re unlikely to hurt it.

-D

> On Aug 7, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what a VW pushrod looks like, but back in the day the way to check 
> SBC pushrods was roll them on a piece of glass. If it's not straight, you'll 
> know it in a second.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: August 7, 2021 12:42 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes
> 
> It's a simple solid cam follower at the other end, from what I remember.
> 
> Will start with checking if the pushrod is bent. Maybe try to eyeball down 
> the pushrod tube. I dont think the loose pushrod would really cause any 
> internal engine damage, unless the cam follower has been kicked out of place 
> and is now sitting at the bottom of the case (not sure that's possible or 
> likely).
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 12:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine out, 
>> and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going on.
>> 
>> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm 
>> drawing a blank.
>> 
>> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the 
>> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30 
>> years ago.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve 
>>> spring? Over-revving?
>>> 
>>> And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?
>>> 
>>> Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> That would cause some problems…
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> One problem spotted
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes it has been sitting. It received a completely rebuilt engine in 2005 and 
was then rarely driven according to the prior owner. You can see that the 
inside of the head still looks new and the rest of the engine is likewise still 
very clean. I believe it had been filled with Brad Penn oil, it looked 
distinctly greenish when I drained it.

Allan

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
> Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
> spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
> push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
> lose thus unseated itself.
> Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
> split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
> you shouldn't have to go there.
> https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html
> 
> I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve springs
> in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
> could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess clearance
> for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been sitting
> unused for any extended time?
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> > out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going
> > on.
> >
> > I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> > drawing a blank.
> >
> > Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the
> > bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> > years ago.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> > Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
> >
> > > Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> > spring? Over-revving?
> > >
> > > And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> > again?
> > >
> > > Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> That would cause some problems…
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Not sure what a VW pushrod looks like, but back in the day the way to check SBC 
pushrods was roll them on a piece of glass. If it's not straight, you'll know 
it in a second.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

It's a simple solid cam follower at the other end, from what I remember.

Will start with checking if the pushrod is bent. Maybe try to eyeball down the 
pushrod tube. I dont think the loose pushrod would really cause any internal 
engine damage, unless the cam follower has been kicked out of place and is now 
sitting at the bottom of the case (not sure that's possible or likely).

Allan

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 12:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine out, 
> and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going on.
>
> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm 
> drawing a blank.
>
> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the 
> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30 
> years ago.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
>
> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
>
> > Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve 
> > spring? Over-revving?
> >
> > And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?
> >
> > Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> That would cause some problems…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It's a simple solid cam follower at the other end, from what I remember.

Will start with checking if the pushrod is bent. Maybe try to eyeball down the 
pushrod tube. I dont think the loose pushrod would really cause any internal 
engine damage, unless the cam follower has been kicked out of place and is now 
sitting at the bottom of the case (not sure that's possible or likely).

Allan

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 12:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine out, 
> and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going on.
> 
> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm 
> drawing a blank.
> 
> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the 
> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30 
> years ago.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
> 
> > Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve 
> > spring? Over-revving?
> > 
> > And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?
> > 
> > Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> That would cause some problems…
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Chances are, that push rod is now bent. I would not reuse it.
Cause: Possible excessive valve clearance, possible weak or cracked valve
spring which let the rocker "float" out of the push rod pocket. or, the
push rod could have failed and bent on its own which would have made it
lose thus unseated itself.
Here is what your cam follower should look like. To replace it, you must
split the case. However, they are generally very hardy and I would think
you shouldn't have to go there.
https://www.jbugs.com/product/113109309C.html

I would pull the rockers and remove the push rod, inspect the valve springs
in place for damage or weakness [compare that cylinder to the others]. It
could be a simple case of the valve sticking open, giving excess clearance
for the rocker, which then unseated the push rod. Has the car been sitting
unused for any extended time?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine
> out, and another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going
> on.
>
> I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm
> drawing a blank.
>
> Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the
> bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30
> years ago.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
>
> Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
>
> > Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve
> spring? Over-revving?
> >
> > And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out
> again?
> >
> > Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> That would cause some problems…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>  One problem spotted
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine out, and 
another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going on.

I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm drawing 
a blank.

Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the 
bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30 years 
ago.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve 
> spring? Over-revving?
> 
> And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?
> 
> Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> That would cause some problems…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve spring? 
Over-revving?

And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?

Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.

Allan

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> That would cause some problems…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That would cause some problems…

-D

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

No but I did watch one of his videos last night about how to make a sheet metal 
brake.

Mine is in pretty good shape. I'm going to need to patch a rusty area in the 
passenger floor and work out how water is getting in there, and at some point 
repaint it, but it is solid otherwise and has many updated parts.

Allan



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> 
> Have you noticed that Bob from "I like to Make Stuff" on YouTube is restoring 
> a Ghia? He did the gas tank in the last episode. His is a bit of a disaster 
> but he's a pretty good craftsman, it'll be interesting to watch him get it 
> fixed up.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 8:42:24 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter that 
> I bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The engine 
> has a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between the two 
> carbs and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it revs 
> well without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, 
> that's on the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better 
> every time I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly 
> cleaning out old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned 
> the carbs but if it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Cool. Then all four barrels need syncing.

I have an old set of mercury carb sticks. I wonder why I can get mercury?


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

They are single-barrel.

https://vwparts.aircooled.net/Dual-Weber-ICT-Carb-Kit-All-Engines-CB-p/cb-dual-ict.htm

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Are the Webers progressive two barrel carbs, or more of a Siamese two single 
> barrel?
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 29, 2021 7:42 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes
>
> Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter that 
> I bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The engine 
> has a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between the two 
> carbs and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it revs 
> well without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, 
> that's on the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better 
> every time I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly 
> cleaning out old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned 
> the carbs but if it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Have you noticed that Bob from "I like to Make Stuff" on YouTube is restoring 
a Ghia? He did the gas tank in the last episode. His is a bit of a disaster but 
he's a pretty good craftsman, it'll be interesting to watch him get it fixed up.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 8:42:24 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter that 
I bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The engine 
has a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between the two 
carbs and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it revs well 
without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, that's on 
the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better every time 
I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly cleaning out 
old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned the carbs but if 
it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

They are single-barrel.

https://vwparts.aircooled.net/Dual-Weber-ICT-Carb-Kit-All-Engines-CB-p/cb-dual-ict.htm

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Are the Webers progressive two barrel carbs, or more of a Siamese two single 
> barrel?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 29, 2021 7:42 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes
> 
> Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter that 
> I bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The engine 
> has a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between the two 
> carbs and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it revs 
> well without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, 
> that's on the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better 
> every time I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly 
> cleaning out old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned 
> the carbs but if it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Are the Webers progressive two barrel carbs, or more of a Siamese two single 
barrel?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 29, 2021 7:42 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter that I 
bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The engine has 
a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between the two carbs 
and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it revs well 
without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, that's on 
the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better every time 
I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly cleaning out 
old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned the carbs but if 
it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

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> On Jul 29, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter 
> that I bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The 
> engine has a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between 
> the two carbs and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it 
> revs well without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, 
> that's on the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better 
> every time I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly 
> cleaning out old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned 
> the carbs but if it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.
> 
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[MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Got the Karmann Ghia running better today. The JC Whitney air flow meter that I 
bought to balance the carbs on an M180 finally was useful again. The engine has 
a dual Weber ICT setup. Air flow was not quite balanced between the two carbs 
and the mixture seemed off also. Got it idling smoothly and it revs well 
without stumbling. Started raining before I could check the timing, that's on 
the list for tomorrow and maybe I can start driving it. Runs better every time 
I start it; I have Techron in the gas so I'm thinking it's slowly cleaning out 
old gunk in the fuel system. I have not torn down and cleaned the carbs but if 
it still has drivability issues I guess that's my next step.

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