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Gwen Ritchey
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
On Monday's episode of The Story (http://www.thestory.org/) on NPR did a
show on guns. I found the second segment (
http
OMG - now we have to ban tornadoes - or at least perform background checks
on the weathermen!
BREAKING NEWS: At least one person killed as tornadoes tear through US
state of Oklahoma, media reports
sayhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22592695
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OK Don
2013 F150
2012 Passat TDI DSG
Right in the Chairman's neighborhood where there are stringent laws
against murder, guns, drugs, shooting someone, etc etc.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-fatally-shot-in-chatham-20130517,0,1724588.story
--R
On 5/17/13 7:09 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Andrew wrote:
OK,
Dieselhead wrote:
Oh YES! Good idea! I think most NRA members, and most 'merkuns would
support prosecuting DOJ1 for g un trafficking crimes.
DOJ1 = e rick the gu nrunner holdem er
Dieselhead wrote:
I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more likely to
be struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist. Another
interesting statistic.
We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
Oh, many times more likely.
We've had over
OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and
so-called safety pins while removing all restrictions on the possession
of any and all types of handguns, rifles, ammo, magazine clips, howitzers,
bazookas, and other personal safety devices. We all know that mechanized
firepower
Gun bans work!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html
--R
On 5/17/13 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and
so-called safety pins while removing all restrictions on the possession
of
And your point is??
On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:
Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**
10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.htmlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html
The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in
the US, and very clearly it is working well. Chicago and DC would
probably be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls,
with similar successes.
So, there is Hope!
--R
On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew
Are you implying things would be better without the ban?
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in
the US, and very clearly it is working well. Chicago and DC would
Statistics clearly document that criminals and terrorist greatly prefer
unarmed victims who are unable to defend themselves.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
The UK initiated a
Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is
clearly no gun violence as the proponents of gun bans wish to have
obtain. Why,
Sincerity suits you better.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
that works?), only that in
OK. Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws
meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up with
fewer rights and abilities to protect and secure themselves and their
belongings.
I think that might be in the Constitution somewhere, because of
And the Declaration of Independence too, that part about the Great Usurper
--R
On 5/17/13 12:00 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
OK. Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws
meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up
with fewer rights and abilities to
touting the UK gun
ban as an absolute success are full of it.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:01:42 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
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We have only ineffective gun laws. Obviously.
On May 17, 2013 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
OK. Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws
meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up with
fewer rights and
On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
-Are you implying things would be better without the ban?- {snip}
No implications necessary, just facts. Failure to look at the statistics
BEFORE gun bans and fairly compare them with statistics AFTER, is necessary.
UK has had a large increase in
These fellas think the gun laws are just fine -- violate them, get some
probation or bond, go get another one and kill someone. Perhaps more
stringent gun laws against criminals would be better? Or just lock them
up so they won't violate any more laws.
Dieselhead wrote:
I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more
likely to be struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist.
Another interesting statistic.
We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
Oh, many times more likely.
We've had
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities did not want to
charge the parents.
What is wrong with people who provide a lethal
Of Randy
Bennell
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How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities
Bottom line, gun laws are ineffective, more gun laws are only more
ineffective. In fact, so ineffective, criminals are drawn to areas where
they know there is a good supply of honest people who have things they want
and are unable to defend themselves.. like theaters with a no guns
allowed sign..
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How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
I would suggest it is a crime that the local
I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says no guns allowed.
Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.
Might i suggest that the first 4 words of your statement could be
cured if you
If being surrounded by trained law-abiding armed citizens makes you
uncomfortable, then all I can say is Over and Out.
Scott
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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Sent:
On Friday, May 17, 2013 2:23 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I fail to
On May 17, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Take a deep breath Andrew, and open your eyes, that you may see.
Andrew takes all this ribbing pretty well I'd say. Time to give him a break
though probably. You will never get him to change his mind. A Saul on the road
to
And vice versa, I might add. And BTW, we do have a lot in common, more
than you probably realize.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
On May 17, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Take a deep breath Andrew, and open your eyes,
Statistics clearly document whatever you want them to. Correlation does not
equal causality.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Therefore we need to ban
people, not guns.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Statistics clearly document that criminals and
On Friday, May 17, 2013 2:23 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
- I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons- {snip}
Let me see if I understand you correctly Andrew.
First: Your choice of informatory use of the words gun wielding imparts
the same effect that any
Speaking of statistics.. someone give me the statistics of criminals
robbing police stations, or gun shows, or shooting ranges, where the bulk
of people there are armed?
For that matter, what has happened to the crime rate in every state that
has enacted concealed carry laws and the citizens have
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says no guns allowed.
Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.
Unfortunately, you are not alone, but hopefully you are
OK Don wrote:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Therefore we need to ban
people, not guns.
Yep. If you aren't fit to have a gun, you aren't fit to walk around without a
keeper. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people walking around free who have
already proven their membership in
On May 17, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
And vice versa, I might add. And BTW, we do have a lot in common, more
than you probably realize.
Which is how, in part, twelve step programs work. Sharing experience, strength,
and hope. Commonality, if you will.
PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
Back around the Sandyhook and Newtown shootings people touted the UK as an
example of how gun bans work because there hasn't been a mass shooting since
1996.
How many paramilitary police are there in your neighborhood keeping you safe
from
On May 17, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Just like a black man's rights aren't subject to a KKKer's need to feel safe
without any n** around him.
Negros thank you. Not on banned here.
Rick
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Frederick Moir wrote:
Curt, et al.
AFAIK The murder rate per capita is the same in UK and USA.
Not bad for an unarmed populace is it?
But...but, they've got fewer 'gun deaths' and those are the only deaths that
matter, right?
OTOH, isn't the UK's violent crime rate much, much higher than
Rick Knoble wrote:
On May 17, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Just like a black man's rights aren't subject to a KKKer's need to feel safe
without any n** around him.
Negros thank you. Not on banned here.
While Negro is a technical term, it isn't much more
Andrew wrote:
OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and...
Everyone has opinion.
Zero opinion is new.
Both sides are being duped and indoctrinated.
We are being played.
Nobody is identifying the play-master, but the play-master is laughing all
the way to the bank on
Andrew wrote:
And vice versa, I might add. And BTW, we do have a lot in common, more
than you probably realize.
Excellent!!
May we all draw closure to the reality and stop living in the clouds of
should-be or could-be. Reality is tough, but if we don't stop realize that
we are being played,
Rick wrote:
Rick
Who has yet to find a meeting for recovering liberals or recovering
conservatives...
I want in.
Let's get that started immediately!!!
mao
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I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says no guns
allowed.
I think this sort of feeling comes down to whether you trust
the general public, or do not. (Or even, perhaps, yourself.)
I think we can all agree
On Monday's episode of The Story (http://www.thestory.org/) on NPR did a
show on guns. I found the second segment (
http://www.thestory.org/stories/2013-05/crime-conviction-how-trace-gun
From Crime To Conviction: How To Trace A Gun) interesting because former ATF
agents described the difficulty
There is so much NRA-inspired pressure against the ATF that they aregun
shy to prosecute.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey
ritche...@aol.comwrote:
On Monday's episode of The Story (http://www.thestory.org/) on NPR did a
show on guns. I found the second segment (
for property crimes.
Scott
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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Strasfogel
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
There is so much NRA-inspired pressure against
.
Scott
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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Strasfogel
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
There is so much NRA-inspired pressure against the ATF
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I don't document and track every single news story I hear or read about.
Here's something just as good: why don't you document cases of the NRA
Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote:
former ATF
agents described the difficulty getting the Federal prosecutors to actually
prosecute an airtight case.
Seems like they're much more interested in ruining the life of some innocent
sucker.
It seems like it's a challenge. You know, any prosecutor can
Scott Ritchey wrote:
Andrew, Can you cite an example to support this assertion?
Look up NRA's Project Exile, where they used to give grants to enforce federal
gun laws. And ignore Andrew's fantasy world, in which everything he thinks is
wrong with the federal government is the evil gun
How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities did not want to
charge the parents.
What is wrong with people who provide a lethal weapon to a 5 year old?
Randy
On 16/05/2013
Crazy as hell.
Wilton
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From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2
, May 16, 2013 4:06 PM
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How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities did not want to
charge the parents.
What is wrong
it noted in the policy that they would cover NOTHING to do with
it.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:06:22 -0500
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There is so much NRA-inspired pressure against the ATF that they aregun
shy to prosecute.
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I don't document and track every single news story I hear or read about.
Here's something just as good: why don't you document cases
Curt Raymond wrote:
Which means you have no facts to back up your opinion. C'mon you've been here
long enough to know we're not going to let you get away with it.
But..but he already said The Evil NRA, which means the argument is over and he
automatically wins, right?
Sort of like an
I don't document and track every single news story I hear or read about.
Here's something just as good: why don't you document cases of the NRA
supporting DOJ prosecutions of gun trafficking crimes.
Oh YES! Good idea! I think most NRA members, and most 'merkuns
would support prosecuting
Have you read Freakonomics? You really should. He points out
(maybe it wasn't in the book, maybe it was the radio show) that
statistically speaking swimming pools are WY more likely to
kill a kid than a pile of guns yet we don't see a big rush to ban
swimming pools.
I consider a
Around the Soviet Socialist Republic of Washington, we go after any adult who
has a gun that a child gets ahold of. Been cops kids blown away, crack whores,
prison guards, politicians. They get into trouble when their kids kill another
kid
clay
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