Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. Ron Paul recently said: Sadly, we have been conditioned to believe that the job of the government is to keep us safe, but in reality the job of the government is to protect our liberties. Once the government decides that its role is to keep us safe, whether economically or physically, they can only do so by taking away our liberties. That is what happened in Boston. Full article here... http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul858.html -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners As this is really off-topic, I don't feel too ashamed in saying that maybe they should ban sports equipment (and perhaps dis-arm black belts?) Although a lacrosse stick didn't do much for a Loyola player at the Saturday Hopkins-Loyola game in Baltimore: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1626290-johns-hopkins-lacrosse-player-l ays-a-stick-shattering-hit-against-loyola Or the YouTube video itself is at http://youtu.be/NrnHUpR501I (you can skip to 0:08) I think my shoulder has sympathy pain! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
Sounds good to me. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:44:45 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds good to me. Too bad we have not stayed at only that. Craig On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
You ask, I answer, tempered with a very old school education during which study of the history of the formation of our government and the Constitution was a required course of study over 12 years. As founded and as intended, [study Federalist papers for legislative intent of words used to write Constitution, come back to me in 5 years], government was only formed to serve We the People for very specific and carefully enumerated purposes. Much of the wording of Constitution is dedicated to very specifically limiting the powers and actions of government and very specifically ensuring all powers not specifically given to the government SHALL [very exacting legal word] reside with the States [who are also very limited by the Constitution in their powers] and to the Citizens [spelled with a capital letter to annotate the superior powers reserved to Citizens]. I was taught, and clearly understand, that ALL powers not specifically granted to government, SHALL and DOES reside with the Citizens [legal ones only]. Further, what is given can be taken back by the original grantor, Said powers reside with Citizens, they are granted to government to be used only under good stewardship. At ANY time, should the Citizens [We the People] so choose, said powers can be revoked. The powers given to government are neither permanent, nor non-revokable. They can be withdrawn at any time the Citizens so choose, by any means deemed necessary. As evidence of this power, see, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, et al. Government workers [and elected representatives] take an oath to uphold the Constitution, before they can serve in office. This act of oath taking manifests their agreement to the power of the document and the powers reserved to the Citizens. Breach of oath of office holds serious consequences. Unfortunately, We the People have failed to hold said elected representatives accountable [POTUS on down, even IRS agents take the oath]. Failure to promptly execute charges does not relieve them from misdeeds. As a function of law, there is no statue of limitation on fraud. Breach of oath of office is fraud. I relinquish the soap box to the gentleman from x. Grant... Who served on the floor of the House of Representatives as a Congressional Aid for some time when there were actually Statesmen rather than professional politicians holding office. One of those being my Father. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
Nearly one-third of Americans say an armed revolution might need to occur in the next few years to prevent an escalating war against constitutional liberties, a new study finds. Fairleigh Dickinson University's PublicMind surveyed 863 US residents randomly in late April and found that 29 percent of those polled believe a revolution isn't just imminent but imperative. According to the study, 29 percent of Americans agree that an armed revolution might be necessary in order to protect our liberties during the next few years. Forty-seven percent said they disagreed with the statement entirely, with one-fifth of the sample saying they weren't sure how to answer. When quizzing only the most conservative of respondents, though, the call for revolution is supported by a much more significant chunk of the sample pool. PublicMind found that 44 percent of Republicans polled in the survey agree that an armed revolt is the answer to an apparent infringement of liberties. By comparison, 27 percent Independents agreed with the statement, as did only 18 percent of Democrats polled. Pollsters say there is a reason for this inkling towards revolution, and it shouldn't come as a surprise that it involves a constitutional right that has become increasingly more of a contested issue among members of Congress and regular citizens alike in recent month. At the heart of this issue, suggests PublicMind, is the gun control debate that has rekindled discussion of the Second Amendment since last year's Aurora, Colorado and Sandy Hook, Connecticut shootings. According to the results of a second question asked during the study, 73 percent of Democrats say Congress needs new gun laws to protect Americans from gun violence, but 65 percent of Republicans are against any changes whatsoever to current legislation.snip http://rt.com/usa/americans-revolution-armed-percent-738/ From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com You ask, I answer, tempered with a very old school education during which study of the history of the formation of our government and the Constitution was a required course of study over 12 years. As founded and as intended, [study Federalist papers for legislative intent of words used to write Constitution, come back to me in 5 years], government was only formed to serve We the People for very specific and carefully enumerated purposes. Much of the wording of Constitution is dedicated to very specifically limiting the powers and actions of government and very specifically ensuring all powers not specifically given to the government SHALL [very exacting legal word] reside with the States [who are also very limited by the Constitution in their powers] and to the Citizens [spelled with a capital letter to annotate the superior powers reserved to Citizens]. I was taught, and clearly understand, that ALL powers not specifically granted to government, SHALL and DOES reside with the Citizens [legal ones only]. Further, what is given can be taken back by the original grantor, Said powers reside with Citizens, they are granted to government to be used only under good stewardship. At ANY time, should the Citizens [We the People] so choose, said powers can be revoked. The powers given to government are neither permanent, nor non-revokable. They can be withdrawn at any time the Citizens so choose, by any means deemed necessary. As evidence of this power, see, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, et al. Government workers [and elected representatives] take an oath to uphold the Constitution, before they can serve in office. This act of oath taking manifests their agreement to the power of the document and the powers reserved to the Citizens. Breach of oath of office holds serious consequences. Unfortunately, We the People have failed to hold said elected representatives accountable [POTUS on down, even IRS agents take the oath]. Failure to promptly execute charges does not relieve them from misdeeds. As a function of law, there is no statue of limitation on fraud. Breach of oath of office is fraud. I relinquish the soap box to the gentleman from x. Grant... Who served on the floor of the House of Representatives as a Congressional Aid for some time when there were actually Statesmen rather than professional politicians holding office. One of those being my Father. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
Gerry Archer wrote: Nearly one-third of Americans say an armed revolution might need to occur in the next few years to prevent an escalating war against constitutional liberties, a new study finds. If they don't want a civil disturbance, why do the politicos keep disturbing us? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
You ask, I answer, tempered with a very old school education during which study of the history of the formation of our government and the Constitution was a required course of study over 12 years. As founded and as intended, [study Federalist papers for legislative intent of words used to write Constitution, come back to me in 5 years], government was only formed to serve We the People for very specific and carefully enumerated purposes. Much of the wording of Constitution is dedicated to very specifically limiting the powers and actions of government and very specifically ensuring all powers not specifically given to the government SHALL [very exacting legal word] reside with the States [who are also very limited by the Constitution in their powers] and to the Citizens [spelled with a capital letter to annotate the superior powers reserved to Citizens]. I was taught, and clearly understand, that ALL powers not specifically granted to government, SHALL and DOES reside with the Citizens [legal ones only]. Further, what is given can be taken back by the original grantor, Said powers reside with Citizens, they are granted to government to be used only under good stewardship. At ANY time, should the Citizens [We the People] so choose, said powers can be revoked. The powers given to government are neither permanent, nor non-revokable. They can be withdrawn at any time the Citizens so choose, by any means deemed necessary. As evidence of this power, see, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, et al. Government workers [and elected representatives] take an oath to uphold the Constitution, before they can serve in office. This act of oath taking manifests their agreement to the power of the document and the powers reserved to the Citizens. Breach of oath of office holds serious consequences. Unfortunately, We the People have failed to hold said elected representatives accountable [POTUS on down, even IRS agents take the oath]. Failure to promptly execute charges does not relieve them from misdeeds. As a function of law, there is no statue of limitation on fraud. Breach of oath of office is fraud. I relinquish the soap box to the gentleman from x. Grant... Who served on the floor of the House of Representatives as a Congressional Aid for some time when there were actually Statesmen rather than professional politicians holding office. One of those being my Father. Hear Hear! Well said Mr. Mann! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
