That was my reaction to the Hepatitis B vaccine back in '83. Strong reaction
means your body is responding.
I had CoVid in December, got the vaccine in Feb -- first one made me sore and a
little off feeling, second one was just injection site soreness, so I think I'm
good.
My 85 friend in Naples, FL finally received her first Pfizer shot 2 weeks
ago, after fruitlessly trying for an appt. for months. WTF.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:58 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> We got the Pfizer, too.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Bob
We got the Pfizer, too.
-D
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I had the Fizzer, and I felt fine after both. jabs.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 5:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>> I get mine on Monday. Not
Reactions vary widely. Supposedly the stronger the side effects the better
protected you are. I don't buy it.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:17 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> That is because it’s just water.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:55
That is because it’s just water.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I had the Fizzer, and I felt fine after both. jabs.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 5:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>> I
I had the Fizzer, and I felt fine after both. jabs.
AZBob
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 5:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I get mine on Monday. Not making any plans for that day just in case.
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I get mine on Monday. Not making any plans for that day just in case.
-D
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Yeah I’m taking a lazy day and gonna just be a layabout
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via
Yeah I’m taking a lazy day and gonna just be a layabout
--FT
Sent from iPhone
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I got my second one Saturday and Saturday night started feeding bad like the
> flu. Sunday was pretty bad all day, was OK by the time I woke
I got my second one Saturday and Saturday night started feeding bad like the
flu. Sunday was pretty bad all day, was OK by the time I woke up Monday morning.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Got my second Moderna jab yesterday
Got my second Moderna jab yesterday afternoon after the first on 1 March. Arm
started hurting coupla hours later, whole arm then later in the evening.
Feeling a little rough last night, feeling rougher this morning, like a flu.
Dr. Boy tells me this is all good, my biochemical plant is doing
Pretty good article by someone who had it recently.
https://www.theorganicprepper.com/covid-personal-story/
Rick
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> > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Peter Frederick
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
> >
> > Actually, all the new cases are from there being far too many cases
> around.
> > Sin
edes
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Peter Frederick
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
>
> Actually, all the new cases are from there being far too many cases around.
> Since I'm half way through a case myself with no known exp
;
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Peter Frederick
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
>
> Actually, all the new cases are from there being f
Frederick
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
Actually, all the new cases are from there being far too many cases around.
Since I'm half way through a case myself with no known exposure, I can
verify it's very contagious.
The more people have it, the more it spreads, just like any contagious
disease
Actually, all the new cases are from there being far too many cases around.
Since I'm half way through a case myself with no known exposure, I can verify
it's very contagious.
The more people have it, the more it spreads, just like any contagious disease.
The death rate is going up because
Credit report, Karl. Thank you. Can you explain why the number of deaths is
increasing at such an alarming rate. I thought that the new cases were from
restaurants and other large event Gatherings. Is it possible to generalize?
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:47 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
Yes we can shift a lot of resources around. But you have to realize it
means nothing else is getting done. All elective surgeries are cancelled
until further notice. All of our anesthesia residents have been temporarily
assigned to ICUs, along with every other qualified fellow (cardiology etc)
in
For months on end AK crowed about all the empty beds. It was some sort of
virtue signal that capacity was wide open and beds were going begging. Now,
there is not a spare bedpan or folding cot without people lined up for it. It
is to the point that medivac to SEA is no longer happening,
My understanding of the hospital bed "shortage" is that hospitals are
businesses, and having an empty bed "just because" is a money losing
proposition. Thus the number of available beds is set based on demand and
forecasted demand. Chicken Little crying about the sky is falling because
hospital
To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
>
> Sorry guys, but the topic of discussion is whether the Trump White
> House interfered in the normal operations of the CDC during the
> epidemic. The answer is unequivocally yes.
People, in general, are known to rend the bearers of news they don't want to
hear
limb from limb, so to speak. We are continuing to get exactly the government we
have paid for, and deserve. God help us.
Currently I lay the blame on the infotainment industry, and the ill-considered
positive
Really?She's a massage therapist. She's had her own practice since, well I
forget now, 2000 maybe?
-Curt
On Monday, December 21, 2020, 11:16:51 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:
I don't believe I ever heard what Angie does for a living.
On 2020-12-21 10:11, Curt Raymond via
I don't believe I ever heard what Angie does for a living.
On 2020-12-21 10:11, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Angie has laid
in a year's worth (!) of masks, rubber gloves and cleaner for her
practice although I expect her to be closed down after the holidays.
-Curt
You do bring up a good point about hospitals being hit with shortages again.
You'd have thought that having the summer off they'd have stocked up on PPE.
I've certainly stocked us up on cleaners, TP and paper towels. I've got meat
and frozen veg laid in assuming we're going to be locked down
Did any of you listen to:
https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/podcast-619-what-driving-tells-us-about-agency-skill-and-freedom/I
like the Art of Manliness podcast anyway but this was a pretty good one...
-Curt
On Sunday, December 20, 2020, 12:26:17 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
On 2020-12-21 09:46, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
I didn't read the deck that way at all. In fact the older adults were
first
in line after healthcare providers and essential workers.
Yes, the final recommendation was to hit the nursing homes and then the
old people, which they said
I didn't read the deck that way at all. In fact the older adults were first
in line after healthcare providers and essential workers.
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 5:11 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> On 2020-12-20 23:46, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > As I recall,
On 2020-12-20 23:46, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
As I recall, the CDC hedged their bets by taking both sides of every
issue,
at some point. Micromanagement? I'll never know. But I have worked
in a
Federal bureaucracy where they believe they have the only answer.
These are the same
Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:02 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
CDC was in a no-win situation. If they warned everyone about the pandemic
and urged physical distancing/masking it would be politically unpopular.
If more cautious
Short term success in this plague is no measure of long term effectiveness.
There are small victories that have not withstood the test of time. Kauai, HI
shut itself off for seven months and now is being hard hit by infections. AK
also thought it had a handle, but that early control was
Jim C. says:
>Thinking is hard.
That's probably why so few people do it anymore.
It's much easier to let others or algorithms do their thinking for them.
Mercedes content: all the computerized nanny's are niceties, but they have
compromised people's abilities to drive. ABS=no need to learn
> The problem is that once credibility is lost it's hard to re-establish. If
> I've been lied to I'm unlikely to believe that source in the future.
Of course, but that doesn't affect the validity _of_the_argument_.
Otherwise, if I am opposed to a true thing, all I have to do is endorse
a
The problem is that once credibility is lost it's hard to re-establish. If I've
been lied to I'm unlikely to believe that source in the future.
Curt
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM, Karl Wittnebel via
Mercedes wrote: I take my news where I find it. Are
On 2020-12-20 00:01, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
CDC was in a no-win situation. If they warned everyone about the
pandemic
and urged physical distancing/masking it would be politically
unpopular.
If more cautious they would be criticized as the death toll mounted.
There were all
On 2020-12-19 23:03, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
Sorry guys, but the topic of discussion is whether the Trump White
House
interfered in the normal operations of the CDC during the epidemic. The
answer is unequivocally yes.
So, to paraphrase,
The science is settled. Orange Man is Bad.
Though there may be one or two credible article they publish, that is far
outweighed by the preponderance of highly biased and corrupt reporting
throughout their rag. As a person who subscribes and reads any of the legacy
media broadsheets or magazines regularly will come to realize, there is
Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 11:03 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
> >
> > Sorry guys, but the topic of discussion is whether the Trump White House
> > interfered in the normal o
: Karl Wittnebel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
>
> Sorry guys, but the topic of discussion is whether the Trump White House
> interfered in the normal operations of the CDC during the epidemic. The
> answer is unequivocally yes.
>
> If you want to find someone to defend th
Maybe the normal operations of the CDC needed interference?
-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 11:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Karl Wittnebel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
Sorry guys, but the topic
Sorry guys, but the topic of discussion is whether the Trump White House
interfered in the normal operations of the CDC during the epidemic. The
answer is unequivocally yes.
If you want to find someone to defend the journalistic integrity of the New
York Times, pleas start your own thread.
On
Of course it is ad hominem to divert attention away from the facts of an
article in order to cast aspersions upon its publisher and thereby attempt
to discredit the article. A "guilt by association" argument. It is
extremely common. It is just not logical in any way
On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 1:29 PM
>It is not ad hominem to point to a track record of >dishonesty and bias. While
>it is not proof of a lie, it >is evidence that the NYT should not be trusted.
It is not ad hominem to point to a track record of dishonesty
and bias. While it is not proof of a lie, it is evidence that the NYT
should not be trusted.
Greg
> I take my news where I find it. Are you disputing the facts in the
> article?
> Seems like direct quotes from the people
involved
yes I should stop taking the bait.
I just cannot commit to another mailing list. I don't mean to inflame any
sensibilities. Someone asked about whether the CDC was incompetent or not,
so the article was a belated response to that.
Right now I am figuring out whether the wings are going to fall
Karl, Come on over to Okietalk, where this sort of discussion belongs.
I've composed a simply brilliant response and I'm sure you'd enjoy the
opportunity to follow-up.
-
Max
Charleston SC
On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
I often refer to my logical fallacies poster when things like this come up:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
Excellent means of shutting these sorts of arguments down in short order.
-D
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I take my news where I find
I take my news where I find it. Are you disputing the facts in the article?
Seems like direct quotes from the people involved should be pretty reliable.
They are called logicall fallacies for a reason - they are fallacies. In
other words, it does not follow that because some things in the NYT are
On 2020-12-19 10:03, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
Really, you trust the New York Times?
Even Jon Stewart, a left leaning Canadian, doesn't trust the NYT.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ctffc2/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-petty-in-print
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Really, you trust the New York Times? Same paper that swore up and down
the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, not a thing, ignore this and move on, and
now after the election "oh yeah, the FBI and DOJ are investigating that
laptop. Sorry, our bad." This is just one of many examples of their
bias.
>Sure we all have a delete key, but I also thought >that was part of what the
>Banned list was for?
There is also an Okie talk list that is political and whatever, without the
verbal abuse and vulgarity of "Banned".
Rick
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Agreed. If I were you I'd list those wheels on thesamba.com if you want
to include that market.
Allan
Karl Wittnebel writes:
> I think those 8 hole wheels look great on vanagons.
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes
>
> wrote:
>
> No I don't think so. When I
We (as in the list, not specifically you and I) have had this debate
before. Ultimately I'm fine with whatever, as long as it's clear, but
politics tends to go off the rails much more than other off-topic stuff
and ultimately it's just a lot of arguing and very rarely is anyone's
mind changed.
I think those 8 hole wheels look great on vanagons.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> No I don't think so. When I owned a VW Vanagon, I had read that Mercedes
> wheels are a common upgrade. They apparently have the same bolt pattern
> and
As much as politics isn’t allowed on this list, I also get sick of the whining
and crying if something such as the post below is occasionally posted.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 16, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I thought politics was strictly off-topic on this
No I don't think so. When I owned a VW Vanagon, I had read that Mercedes
wheels are a common upgrade. They apparently have the same bolt pattern
and either same offset or close enough. So I was thinking they might
look good on my Karmann Ghia. However the Ghia uses a different bolt
pattern so they
Quite right. Do you want my wheels?
Karl
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:31 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> I thought politics was strictly off-topic on this list?
>
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes:
>
> > Finally got scheduled for the first dose. Tomorrow at
Used to be.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 9:31 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> I thought politics was strictly off-topic on this list?
>
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes:
>
> > Finally got scheduled for the first dose. Tomorrow at 0930.
I thought politics was strictly off-topic on this list?
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes:
> Finally got scheduled for the first dose. Tomorrow at 0930.
>
> Here's an article about a couple of Trump appointees who were at the CDC
> during the whole outbreak. It was obvious to me that the
Yes great árticle. Have a good shot.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 8:49 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Finally got scheduled for the first dose. Tomorrow at 0930.
>
> Here's an article about a couple of Trump appointees who were at the CDC
Finally got scheduled for the first dose. Tomorrow at 0930.
Here's an article about a couple of Trump appointees who were at the CDC
during the whole outbreak. It was obvious to me that the people most
qualified to set the policy were in fact not being allowed to set it. But
this article gives
Thanks for what you’ve been doing, along with your peers. It is appreciated!
Dan
> On Dec 16, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> We got a shipment yesterday and we are all prioritized now by personal and
> occupational risk factors. So the ICU people doing
We got a shipment yesterday and we are all prioritized now by personal and
occupational risk factors. So the ICU people doing aerosol-generating
procedures and those employees with underlying health and age risk factors
will get the vaccine first, then anyone working with covid patients, etc.
Got my second shot Monday in the AZ trial, feeling a bit off last night and
now. Cheated and got an antibody test a coupla weeks ago, negative although I
had a rxn then too. Will go get another test next week to see if I got the real
deal or placebo. 2/3 chance for the real deal in this trial.
Quantas requires certified proof of vaccine before you can fly. CCP wants you
to get a verification QR code stamp so they are able to track your WRD travel.
They are trying to peddle that to the rest of the world. As a means to
streamline travel.
Clay
inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> On
You can take your certificate of participation to any bar for a free Bud
Light.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:41 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> On 2020-11-23 10:37, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > I would be more inclined to go out and do things, restaurants and
On 2020-11-23 10:37, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I would be more inclined to go out and do things, restaurants and
such. Still masking though, that seems to be the norm, but I would
not worry about getting exposed.
That would be why your one Dr friend said it would be cheating.
Mitch.
Correct. I guess at some point it will be noted in a database somewhere
but will not be "personalized" unless a doc needs to know for some
medical reason then they can find out.
--FT
On 11/23/20 10:33 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
In theory they are unable to tell you, right? Double
On 2020-11-23 10:33, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
In theory they are unable to tell you, right? Double blind? Neither the
researchers nor the subjects know who is getting the placebo.
I don't know if this one needs to be double blind, but it definitely
should be at least single blind,
I would be more inclined to go out and do things, restaurants and such.
Still masking though, that seems to be the norm, but I would not worry
about getting exposed.
--FT
On 11/23/20 10:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
What will you different if you find out you have the Vax?
Mitch.
In theory they are unable to tell you, right? Double blind? Neither the
researchers nor the subjects know who is getting the placebo.
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes:
> There is an app for communication, I have to put stuff in a diary and
> answer questions. They will only advise if the
What will you different if you find out you have the Vax?
Mitch.
On 2020-11-23 10:23, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
There is an app for communication, I have to put stuff in a diary and
answer questions. They will only advise if the nasal swab I took is
positive for covids. They did take
There is an app for communication, I have to put stuff in a diary and
answer questions. They will only advise if the nasal swab I took is
positive for covids. They did take blood for a baseline on the
antibodies and will do that again when I get the second dose in 3 weeks
from now, but they
But surely they will check back with you periodically. How frequently?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:07 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Trial won't tell me so I am going to get an anitbody test at a local
> outfit to see if I have the proteins in my blood that bind
Trial won't tell me so I am going to get an anitbody test at a local
outfit to see if I have the proteins in my blood that bind the SARS
spike protein. So I will cheat...
--FT
On 11/23/20 10:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
When will you learn whether you received the real thing or a
When will you learn whether you received the real thing or a placebo?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 7:45 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> I think I got the first dose last Monday. Yay me.
>
>
>
I think I got the first dose last Monday. Yay me.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-up-to-90-effective-in-late-stage-trials-11606116047
--FT
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