Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-27 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Suffice it to say this is all very complex and a ton of admin expense results from the complexity. Basically hospitals make all their money on outpatient surgery. My hospital loses money on most medicare admissions, so an extra 20% on pneumonia admissions isn't going to go very far when all

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-27 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
The Abbott machines are point of care and single test bandwidth. Minimal impact on overall case numbers. Most tests go to labs where larger machines run them in batches. That is how we can do 300k/d or whatever we are doing. On Tue, May 26, 2020, 7:44 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Abbott Labs

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-27 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Clay Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers Abbott Labs test machines are turning out to be very unreliable, so the infection numbers are inaccurate. Then we have racial disparity related to infections

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Men comprise the majority of the 100,000 U.S. victims of COVID 19. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:44 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Abbott Labs test machines are turning out to be very unreliable, so the > infection numbers are inaccurate. > > Then we have racial disparity related to infections and

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Abbott Labs test machines are turning out to be very unreliable, so the infection numbers are inaccurate. Then we have racial disparity related to infections and outcomes.

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
On Tue, May 26, 2020 4:57 pm, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > It seems to me that hospitals get money from the Federal Govt to pay for > care for COVID patients while everything else has to go through insurance > or the hospital has to eat it. That puts hospitals under immense pressure > to

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
understand what is happening to the nation, and why. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Karl Wittnebel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers Sorry I have n

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It seems to me that hospitals get money from the Federal Govt to pay for care for COVID patients while everything else has to go through insurance or the hospital has to eat it. That puts hospitals under immense pressure to designate as many deaths COVID related as they can. It would blow my

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Maybe not with precision but you get the picture: 100,000 give or take... On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:19 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I read an article earlier today that talked about the roles of who decides > if a death is counted as COVID or not. The Doctor

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I read an article earlier today that talked about the roles of who decides if a death is counted as COVID or not. The Doctor signs the death certificate, and that is the official cause of death, and I'm sure Karl is right in that the vast majority are doing the right thing and making the best

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
g > nursing home and prison numbers and for increasing the general population > numbers. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:40 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Karl Wittnebel &

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Karl Wittnebel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers > > What should it be recorded as? The person died in the hospital. > > There will always be data irregularities but the idea the hospitals are > somehow syst

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
sing home and prison numbers and for increasing the general population > numbers. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:40 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Karl Wittnebel >

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-26 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
12:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Karl Wittnebel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers What should it be recorded as? The person died in the hospital. There will always be data irregularities but the idea the hospitals are somehow systematically having doctors

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
As usual, the rich get richer ... https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/wealthiest-hospitals-got-billions-in-bailout-for-struggling-health-providers/ar-BB14yqFM?li=BBnbfcN On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 2:41 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >The hospital doesnt get

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-25 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>The hospital doesnt get paid any more or any less >whether someone has >pneumonia from covid or >another virus. Sorry. Gotta call bullshit on that one. Key paragraph: It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-25 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
What should it be recorded as? The person died in the hospital. There will always be data irregularities but the idea the hospitals are somehow systematically having doctors enter fraudulent codes on death certificates is pure BS. 1) it's a felony, with no benefit to a doctor to do that, 2) we

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-23 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Yet another distortion of the numbers: If a nursing home patient in NY gets COVID but is moved to a hospital before he/she dies it is not recorded as a nursing home death. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-23 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Washington State officials lie as a matter of policy. The grandparents killed by the grandchild who then burnt the home down, Covid. The car wrecks, Covid. Suicides, Covid. The massive (multi Million$) unemployment fraud that the governor wanted kept quiet, but Secret Service disclosed the

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:34:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > https://disrn.com/news/washington-officials-admit-to-counting-gunshot-victims-as-covid-19-deaths > > This is just one of several news stories. In NY state, there are > on-camera explanations by coroners / morticians that

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Speaking as someone who conducted graduate level research, anyone who deals with data collection on this scale expects errors. The statistical error given in the article’s dataset is 0.005, hardly statistically relevant. The expectations that any numbers will be dead nuts on the money at this

[MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers

2020-05-23 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
https://disrn.com/news/washington-officials-admit-to-counting-gunshot-victims-as-covid-19-deaths This is just one of several news stories. In NY state, there are on-camera explanations by coroners / morticians that they count every death as Wuhan Red Death. - Max Charleston SC