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2017-04-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
I have a BatteryMINDer 2012. It will charge/desulphate multiple batteries, according to the instructions. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2017-04-29 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:14:06 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Craig, > I ordered two 1510s from Amazon. I plan to use one for general > purposes (like my tractor or seldom run 300SD) and build the other into > the Generac. I say "build in" because there is no

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2017-04-29 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Craig, I ordered two 1510s from Amazon. I plan to use one for general purposes (like my tractor or seldom run 300SD) and build the other into the Generac. I say "build in" because there is no 110v outlet on/in the actual generator case and I'll need to disconnect the stock charger. I'd

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2017-04-29 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset > > In the original post, I thought I read the battery simply ran low on water, > which caused ultimate failure. > > Simple, to me, solution is to put a check list item to check battery water > level once a month and keep it /

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2017-04-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 23:46:19 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Thanks, Craig. I just ordered a couple. Scott What models? I have a 12248 and a 1510. Craig > > -Original Message- > > From: Craig via Mercedes > > > > On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:42:26

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2017-04-28 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Thanks, Craig. I just ordered a couple. Scott > -Original Message- > From: Craig via Mercedes > > On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:42:26 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Maybe a dedicated float charger (like BatteryNINDer) would give better > > battery

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2017-04-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On April 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > In the original post, I thought I read the battery simply ran low on water, > which caused ultimate failure. > > Simple, to me, solution is to put a check list item to check battery water > level once a

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2017-04-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
In the original post, I thought I read the battery simply ran low on water, which caused ultimate failure. Simple, to me, solution is to put a check list item to check battery water level once a month and keep it / them topped off with distilled water. I do it with the solar battery bank. If I

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2017-04-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:42:26 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Craig: I have a "Battery Tender" that I use for various jobs. Is the > BatteryMINDer different or better? The BatteryMINDer is different, and, at least from my research, better. That's why I have two

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2017-04-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:42:26 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Maybe a dedicated float charger (like BatteryNINDer) would give better > battery life? Yes. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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2017-04-27 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
; To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:30:07 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > The generator ge

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2017-04-27 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
It is a Generac 15KW unit with integral control logic including a charger. The charger runs all the time as far as I know. I can't comment on the quality of that charger except the little group 26 flooded batteries boil off electrolyte and last 3-4 years; so maybe it overcharges. Maybe a

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2017-04-27 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt - I agree, we each need our safe. Power companies are in the biz of $$ like any biz. They also have oversold their abilities and make us pay for that. Maybe we should lower our expectations of all things? So... some days we have power, some days not. i.e. use the spool-up time necessary

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2017-04-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That's hard to believe, given the death grip big oil has on the OK government. Not saying it's not true, just hard to believe. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The deal here is the state is paying them big incentives to build them

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2017-04-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
OK legislature just rescinded the tax break for wind energy. http://www.upi.com/Oklahoma-to-end-tax-credits-for-wind-energy/3881492518764/ On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The deal here is the state is paying them big incentives

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2017-04-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
The deal here is the state is paying them big incentives to build them here. There is a movement going on to stop it and use the money for school etc. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Out here, the power companies are

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2017-04-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Out here, the power companies are putting up wind turbine generators at a furiuos rate. They don't seem to be able to get enough of them. We still see lines of trucks hauling blades up I-35 weekly, probably from Houston. There is some economic reason for them to be making this investment. They are

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2017-04-27 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:51:46 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > Exactly. The 27-mile-long Banks Lake reservoir is 280' _uphill_ of the > dam, and Lake Roosevelt. I stand corrected. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

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2017-04-27 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 26/04/2017 9:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:30:07 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: The generator gets commercial power (so it knows when to turn on) and that runs an integral charger. Maybe I should replace it with a tender? Yes,

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2017-04-27 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Exactly. The 27-mile-long Banks Lake reservoir is 280' _uphill_ of the dam, and Lake Roosevelt. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2017-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
You can at Northfield mountain. Pump water from the Connecticut River into the lake when electricity is cheap, send it down through the generators when demand is high. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

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2017-04-26 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > Well, yes, but you can't take electricity you have generated and bank it in Banks Lake. > _You_ can't. But they can. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

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2017-04-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
nz.com> > > Cc: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset > > > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:25:40 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Fuel type was a main consideration when I i

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2017-04-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A > Original message From: Craig via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-04-26 8:48 AM (GMT-06:00) To: > Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Craig > <diese...@pisquared.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT c

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2017-04-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:31:38 -0700 Jim Cathey wrote: > > > > There currently is no storage on the grid: > > > Almost true. Grand Coulee Dam has Banks lake. 1.2x10^6 acre-feet of > reserve water, and thus power. Well, yes, but you can't take electricity you have

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2017-04-26 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
EK! I need a safe room! Craig speaks the truth! We can't have that! must eliminate those who don't agree wiht albore Craig via Mercedes April 26, 2017 at 7:58 PM On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:02:00 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes Until "green" power

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2017-04-26 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > There currently is no storage on the grid: Almost true. Grand Coulee Dam has Banks lake. 1.2x10^6 acre-feet of reserve water, and thus power. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

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2017-04-26 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
ril 26, 2017 9:35 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:25:40 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >

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2017-04-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Along those same lines as Craig says…. Most people don’t grasp what goes on behind the scenes at a major utility when it comes to power production. The utility has to have generating capacity ready and on line for the demand. If they don’t, they have to purchase power from one of their

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2017-04-26 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
Craig <diese...@pisquared.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:41:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A solar powered version would be even better. If you were running off-grid, yes, but if the generator is a utility-power

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2017-04-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:02:00 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: > Max wrote: > > A solar powered version would be even better. > > OT - Call centers selling YouNameIt Power are using words like green, > wind, solar. > That seems nice, but isn't all the green power

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2017-04-26 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Max wrote: > A solar powered version would be even better. OT - Call centers selling YouNameIt Power are using words like green, wind, solar. That seems nice, but isn't all the green power just wheeled over the grid? i.e. the electrons congregate along with coal and hydrocarbons and all power is

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2017-04-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:41:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > A solar powered version would be even better. If you were running off-grid, yes, but if the generator is a utility-power backup and is waiting until the grid fails, no. Craig

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2017-04-26 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
A solar powered version would be even better. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > Perhaps a better investment would be a BatteryMINDer charger/maintainer. > > > ___

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2017-04-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:25:40 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Fuel type was a main consideration when I installed a standby generator > and I went with LP (propane) as natural gas isn't available here. I > have a 500 gal underground tank. As far as I know, there

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2017-04-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've got one of the cheap Chinese 2 stroke gens, I think mine is rated 1000w steady, 1200w surge. When I first got it ran great, started easy every time. Then I didn't run it for four or five years.When I went to run it again the fuel shutoff fell right out to the tank. It uses a standard

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2017-04-25 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Fuel type was a main consideration when I installed a standby generator and I went with LP (propane) as natural gas isn't available here. I have a 500 gal underground tank. As far as I know, there are no long-term storage issues with LP (unlike gasoline and Diesel, to a lesser extent). My

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2017-04-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Yeah. All the New Yorkers and jersey folks were all agog when they opened up here. Not sure why. Must be a local thing. First time I had a Philly cheesesteak was at a WaWa in Trenton, NJ. Not particularly memorable. -D Sent from my iPad > On Apr 25, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes

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2017-04-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:09:58 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > WaWa is a gas station/convenience store that originated in PA or NJ, > I'm not sure. They just recently opened a bunch of stores in the Tampa > area, one of which is close to me. I buy diesel there, not

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2017-04-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
WaWa is a gas station/convenience store that originated in PA or NJ, I'm not sure. They just recently opened a bunch of stores in the Tampa area, one of which is close to me. I buy diesel there, not because they're any better than others, but because 1.) Costco doesn't sell diesel here and 2.)

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2017-04-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:04:20 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > We have "ethanol free" gas at some stations here, mostly the new WaWa > places. The new "WaWa places"? What are those? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2017-04-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On April 25, 2017 at 11:41 AM G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > If your generator will be setting for any time, drain the tank. After it ran for 20 minutes and got nice and warm, I shut off the petcock, waited for it to die, pulled the fuel hose off the carb and stuck it

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2017-04-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
We have "ethanol free" gas at some stations here, mostly the new WaWa places. As I fill up my tanks for yard equipment and generator I'll be buying this for all future consumption. Looks like it's about the same price as premium fuel with ethanol. I always run my small engine powered equipment

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2017-04-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Premium gas here has alcohol added also, so it's a no win to use it. I have airport access and use 100 Low Lead aviation gas, which is very stable and has no alcohol, although it now runs near $5 per gallon. Of all the possible selections, seems Av Gas is the best choice for storage for me, even

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2017-04-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 25/04/2017 10:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: It has become my practice to shut down gas generators by shutting off the fuel valve at the tank and letting them run out of fuel at the carburetor, THEN opening the drain screw in the bottom of the carb to drip out the little bit of gas that

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2017-04-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 25/04/2017 9:58 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On April 25, 2017 at 8:49 AM tyee165 via Mercedes wrote: But if the thing won't run when you need it, you have lost 100%. I just did my annual "dump a a little gas into the generator and run it for 20 minutes

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2017-04-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It has become my practice to shut down gas generators by shutting off the fuel valve at the tank and letting them run out of fuel at the carburetor, THEN opening the drain screw in the bottom of the carb to drip out the little bit of gas that remains, close that screw and the carb is dry for

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2017-04-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On April 25, 2017 at 8:49 AM tyee165 via Mercedes > wrote: > > > But if the thing won't run when you need it, you have lost 100%. I just did my annual "dump a a little gas into the generator and run it for 20 minutes because you never used it last winter". Took an

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2017-04-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
-From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-04-25 5:34 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes > Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset > Understand that if you do convert from gasoline

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2017-04-25 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
an Penoff <d...@penoff.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset Understand that if you do convert from gasoline to a dry fuel such as propane or natural gas you'll lose about 10-20% of your output due to the lower BTU content. -D > On Apr 24, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Curley McLain via

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2017-04-25 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Understand that if you do convert from gasoline to a dry fuel such as propane or natural gas you'll lose about 10-20% of your output due to the lower BTU content. -D > On Apr 24, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > you can convert any vergasser

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2017-04-24 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
you can convert any vergasser to propane. For one like this, you might not be able to get everything under the covers. I plan to convert the old Kohler I have, but have not yet done it. tyee165 via Mercedes April 24, 2017 at 10:34 PM Look for one that runs on

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2017-04-24 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
ussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cheap genset Compared to spending $90-100 on one of the 800W 2-strokers, it seems like a bargain, if you have no need for 240V. Mitch. > On April 24, 2017 at 6:37 PM Floyd

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2017-04-24 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Hmm, $135.37 is my price, with free shipping. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Compared to spending $90-100 on one of the 800W 2-strokers, it seems like > a bargain, if you have no need for 240V. > Mitch.

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2017-04-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Compared to spending $90-100 on one of the 800W 2-strokers, it seems like a bargain, if you have no need for 240V. Mitch. > On April 24, 2017 at 6:37 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > > That's why it's $135. Almost cheap enough to take a winger on it and >

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2017-04-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
That's why it's $135. Almost cheap enough to take a winger on it and just have it around. --FT On 4/24/17 6:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Wen went outa bidness about 30 yrs ago. Someone recently got the name to slap on Chinee stuff. Wen (now) = HF quality. Floyd Thursby via

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2017-04-24 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Either way, it is a whole bunch cheaper than a Hondog generator. They think their name is worth an extra $2000 to $5000. Floyd Thursby via Mercedes April 24, 2017 at 5:24 PM Actually Price: $135.37 *FREE Shipping* (3 days) for Prime members Details

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2017-04-24 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Wen went outa bidness about 30 yrs ago. Someone recently got the name to slap on Chinee stuff. Wen (now) = HF quality. Floyd Thursby via Mercedes April 24, 2017 at 5:22 PM

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2017-04-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Actually Price: $135.37 *FREE Shipping* (3 days) for Prime members Details On 4/24/17 6:22 PM, Floyd Thursby wrote: https://deals.kinja.com/prepare-for-the-worst-with-a-great-deal-on-amazons-most-1794593419 $141 might be worth having around to run the fridge or take

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2017-04-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
https://deals.kinja.com/prepare-for-the-worst-with-a-great-deal-on-amazons-most-1794593419 $141 might be worth having around to run the fridge or take to a job site to run power tools -- --FT Winston Churchill: “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or