Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Hey John, just found this post. I'm in SE Minnesota. Thanks though! I took back to NAPA two gallons of Zerex G05 because I thought it wasn't necessary for my Saab. But now I may go buy them back. Brian On 10/23/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, where are you? I have 2 gallons of the Saab antifreeze left from my Saab days. Fat chance you're in the NE. John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, that gives me a shock, because I just asked recently whether or not the green stuff will be okay in my 84 Saab 900, and the answer came back that the green stuff is just fine. Brian On 10/22/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Brian, the antifreeze debate was nearly as feisty as the oil debate on this list. But a friend who owned a Saab dealership for 30+ years told me that he saw loads of them needing head gaskets- and almost every time they had the green stuff. I'm a cheap ass and I payed for the stuff when I had the 900S. If we didn't just have a baby I would buy another 900S 2 door. I really like them. Search the saabnet archives for info related to the antifreeze. I remember that the consensus was to use the orig. Saab or MB stuff. I wish I had enough background in chemistry to tell you why the green stuff kills the head gaskets. Best of luck! John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: John, Yup - I'm on the Saab List, but in digest mode. I am real curious though: I had all but written off that list (granted, I'm in digest mode on it) because all it seemed to consist of was some recent article on some new Saab model which was emailed to me every few weeks. Nothing relevant to me at all. BUT I must say that I recently posted a question and I got, in my digest, a couple of direct answers. So it's almost like they only send me the direct responses to my questions. - ?? Maybe I should get off Digest mode and onto Saablist Now as they call it. I want a whole lot more talk to paruse and learn from. Brian John wrote: You are on saabnet.com no? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Brian, where are you? I have 2 gallons of the Saab antifreeze left from my Saab days. Fat chance you're in the NE. John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, that gives me a shock, because I just asked recently whether or not the green stuff will be okay in my 84 Saab 900, and the answer came back that the green stuff is just fine. Brian On 10/22/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
I'm in need of the Saab coolant! Anyone? Help? On 10/23/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, where are you? I have 2 gallons of the Saab antifreeze left from my Saab days. Fat chance you're in the NE. John Peterson Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, that gives me a shock, because I just asked recently whether or not the green stuff will be okay in my 84 Saab 900, and the answer came back that the green stuff is just fine. Brian On 10/22/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
rumor has it that David wrote: John Peterson wrote: Curt, I had many 900's. Very nice car. Will run 200k+. Gearbox in the 85-88 were weak and usually gave out about 130k or so. I might have been an exception, but I had really, really good luck with all of my 900's. I wouldn't rule out buying one in the future, although my practical side keeps telling me I should stick to cars that I already own the special tools for. ;) What? And pass on the opportunity to buy more tools?? *grin* --Philip, tool collector
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
John, Yup - I'm on the Saab List, but in digest mode. I am real curious though: I had all but written off that list (granted, I'm in digest mode on it) because all it seemed to consist of was some recent article on some new Saab model which was emailed to me every few weeks. Nothing relevant to me at all. BUT I must say that I recently posted a question and I got, in my digest, a couple of direct answers. So it's almost like they only send me the direct responses to my questions. - ?? Maybe I should get off Digest mode and onto Saablist Now as they call it. I want a whole lot more talk to paruse and learn from. Brian John wrote: You are on saabnet.com no?
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Sunil, Great move. In 1992 I bought a '90 900S 16 valve NA, 5 speed.. drove it for almost 100K miles. A great machine-only sold it because the electrics-main fuse block were melting down and I had moved to a new city and was staring a new job and couldn't ' really deal with it. Wife still won't forgive me for trading it on a Subaru forester. I also drove friend's 900S convertible turbo-also very nice. Congratulations. One of these days I'd like to buy one to atone to my wife for selling the 90. Dwight Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saab question this morning, i just bought a 1988 saab 900S 16-valve for $700. ibe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com s
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? On 10/21/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunil, Great move. In 1992 I bought a '90 900S 16 valve NA, 5 speed.. drove it for almost 100K miles. A great machine-only sold it because the electrics-main fuse block were melting down and I had moved to a new city and was staring a new job and couldn't ' really deal with it. Wife still won't forgive me for trading it on a Subaru forester. I also drove friend's 900S convertible turbo-also very nice. Congratulations. One of these days I'd like to buy one to atone to my wife for selling the 90. Dwight Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saab question this morning, i just bought a 1988 saab 900S 16-valve for $700. ibe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? Yours is newer than anything I can remember driving. (actually, I'm not sure if I ever drove a 5sp Saab) Is the shifter spring-loaded so that it seeks out the 3-4 gate, and you have to pull it left to get 1-2 or shove it right to get 5th? If so, you just have to learn not to shove it sideways when shifting into 3rd.
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
I can find third just fine; it's getting fifth that's the issue. But the more i drive it, the easier it become sto find. On 10/21/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? Yours is newer than anything I can remember driving. (actually, I'm not sure if I ever drove a 5sp Saab) Is the shifter spring-loaded so that it seeks out the 3-4 gate, and you have to pull it left to get 1-2 or shove it right to get 5th? If so, you just have to learn not to shove it sideways when shifting into 3rd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Yes. Fifth is difficult to find. I am still perfecting the smooth shift to fifth. If I feel like concentrating on it, I can do it flawlessly, but sometimes I just let it catch, then wiggle it around the catch so to speak. Also, the shifting is not the smoothest, particularly from first to second. I initially wondered if the linkage needed lubing or something. I switched to Mobil 1 (there's list content for ya) and it's improved. The real test will be to see if the improvement remains when cold weather hits. Also, it doesn't like to be shifted down to first at anything above about 5 mph. And when it's quite cold out, the car creeps forward in neutral due to viscosity in the tranny oil I assume. As I said, we'll see how Mobil 1 changes that. Brian 84 Saab 900 On 10/21/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can find third just fine; it's getting fifth that's the issue. But the more i drive it, the easier it become sto find. On 10/21/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? Yours is newer than anything I can remember driving. (actually, I'm not sure if I ever drove a 5sp Saab) Is the shifter spring-loaded so that it seeks out the 3-4 gate, and you have to pull it left to get 1-2 or shove it right to get 5th? If so, you just have to learn not to shove it sideways when shifting into 3rd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Referencing your original question, Curt: Also watch out for problems involving the parking brake and the front calipers (to which it hooks). There's also a characteristic clunk you may hear and feel when backing up and then braking (also involving front calipers I believe). This is common. The headliners often have problems, and the heater cores are somewhat weak links as well I'm told. That said, I happily say that any problems that my little workhorse has come up with have been very minor and repairable for no money usually. It had an issue with trim coming off - enter super glue. And the driver door interior handle fell off, but it was simply that the screws worked their way out. Nothing was broken - just needed to hit the hardware store fastener aisle. Oh, I must say that the dealer-installed glass sunroof drips just a wee bit when it rains, and sometimes these drips go, you guessed it, right into the ingnition. My wife was recently told by someone that Saabs are more expensive to repair than Mercedes', but I personally doubt that. Perhaps parts are less common? There was an oxygen sensor that the PO finally broke down and bought and installed for me, since the car wouldn't idle when I took possession of it. He said that that part was pretty pricey. Brian 84 Saab 900 Curt wrote: I've been told that old Saabs are a nightmare to keep up. Any opinions? Thanks -Curt
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Zoltan Finks wrote: And when it's quite cold out, the car creeps forward in neutral due to viscosity in the tranny oil I assume. As I said, we'll see how Mobil 1 changes that. I'd change the fluid to make sure the correct stuff is in the tranny. In the 1970's, Saab spec'd a SAE 70 lube, which IIRC was superceded by motor oil. I'm pretty sure your late 1980's cars call for 5w30 or ATF. I saw a few 99's that appeared to have 85W-90 in them. They shifted much better with the SAE70.
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Zoltan Finks wrote: And lately, it seems, unless I depress the clutch to the floor, it'll kachunk into reverse. I wonder if this is a sign of needing a new clutch? Or that you aren't getting full travel due to air in the hydraulics or the travel stop on the slave cylinder being pushed out of the way. There's a black plastic cap on the slave cylinder that keeps the throwout bearing up against the pressure plate when the pedal is released. You can remove the clutch cover and shove the cap up against the throwout bearing, see if that makes a difference.
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Okay, that gives me a shock, because I just asked recently whether or not the green stuff will be okay in my 84 Saab 900, and the answer came back that the green stuff is just fine. Brian On 10/22/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those headliners failed on every saab I had. I bought a headliner kit for +-300 and installed it one weekend. It looked great. But I did live without a headliner (after tearing the sagging one out) for a couple of years! The Bentley is the book for you. Did anyone give you the lecture about using the Saab or MB cooling fluid? I know there was horror stories on the lists about regular antifreeze (green stuff) killing head gaskets left and right. You are on saabnet.com no? John Peterson Sunil Hari wrote: thanks for the help - I need to buy a Saab bible (Bentley?). Also, the sunroof has a horribly sagging headliner, to the point where the roof won't retract all the way. Suggestions on how to remove/repair/replace it? On 10/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes-on my 90, first was hard to find, esp. if you snap shifted. I found that easing it in with minimal right side pressure worked. On my 82 900 4-speed, second was hard to find. Dwight. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Sunil Hari wrote: question - on these saabs (I know, non-Benz questions) is 5th gear hard to find? On mine, 5th is 1/2 away from third, maybe less. Any adjustments to make or anything like that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My mother (70's) drives an '84 900. She loves it and wouldn't think of letting us get her something newer, or an automatic. Hers is not as slow as a 240D. The 'S' model was a 16-valve and a little quicker. For $200 I don't think you can go wrong, unless, like you say, it is dangerous because of rust rot. Otherwise a very safe car also. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Saab question I know we've got some Saab enthusiasts on this list so. Theres an '85 Saab 900 on Craigslist near me. 114k miles, 5spd. Supposedly needs a fuel pump relay to run. They want $200, the pictures make it look like a very nice car which considering its a New England car means its a rust bucket but I digress. Back in highschool I had a friend who had a '79 Saab which she let me drive once. I remember it being a very nice driving car. We currently need a third car for a backup and since I'm having no luck finding another Benz I'm opening the field a bit. I've been told that old Saabs are a nightmare to keep up. Any opinions? Thanks -Curt - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zeitgeist wrote: I did my drivers license test in a '74 Saab. The only thing I vaguely remember about the '85 era vehicles is that I think they have the extra weird gear driven H2O pumps which are a bitch to RR, and leak into the sump when they fail. That gear drive water pump was in the B20 engine. The H20 replaced it in 1981. There were some layout differences in the H-engine, the water pump was belt drive and the distributor hung on the front of the cylinder head and engaged the cam, like the SLS pump on an OM60x engine. Water pumps on B-engines weren't hard to service, you just needed the special tool that pulled them out of the engine. Just take off the cover on the top of the block (3 screws) screw the puller onto the pump shaft, and pull the pump. IIRC, it's even faster than removing the camshaft, and I could adjust the valves in those engines in a half hour, including pulling the cam and switching the shims. Oops, I forgot, the B-engine water pump was under the alternator, so removing the alternator would add several minutes to the task. (I bought a cooling fan ratchet from Snap-On to RR Saab 99/900 alternators, the bolts between the block and firewall were a pain without it.)
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Curt Raymond wrote: Sounds good to me. I got a note back from the guy saying he's not really sure whats wrong with it, he says if he puts power to the fuel pump it works, he doesn't say if it'll run at that point though... My boss at the Saab shop used to keep a piece of 14ga copper wire (house wiring) about two inches long, stripped on both ends, and bent into a U, in each of his cars. If any fuel supply problem was suspected, he'd replace the relay with the wire for troubleshooting. Also, we used the wire to make the pump run full-time so I could hook up my CIS gauge to the fuel distributor. The terminals to jump were the one towards the fender and the one towards the engine on the 99s and early 900s, not sure about the fuse/relay box layout on a '85. I don't remember the terminal numbers on that relay, but I think there was a diagram on the relay showing which terminals were switched by the relay.
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Curt, Chris and all, I drive an '84 900 (notchback, which I like for its less-common-ness). Chris implied that the peppiness factor is similar in the 900 and a 240D. I would cordially disagree. And the 16 valve (which I thought debuted in '85) is very peppy. I recall riding around in an '85 900 16 valve (non-turbo) with the guy who sold me my '84 (Saab nut this guy) and his girlfriend (both he and she are no lightweights) and I had my girlfriend with me, bringing the occupant total to 4. At one point he gunned it to get past a car, and I felt the power of a well-tuned small block V8 - pinned back in my seat somewhat. I was shocked - this is like a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder afterall. I can tell you that Saab lovers are very devoted to say the least. I have become one. Granted, I did not happen to wind up with a lemon. The car has been very reliable and economical, and you want to talk about a tight, sporty ride! No appreciable play in the steering, and very responsive handling (despite a straight real axle). I've heard the comment that the trannies (even manual) go out at about 150k, but mine is going strong at 161k, and I tend to doubt that a manual trannie would crap out like that. I've heard that the clutch is quite easy to replace, as it's right up by the radiator. I must admit that I don't really understand how the drivetrain is laid out in that thing, but it works. Traction in the snow and ice has been good - never gotten stuck. Bit of a mystery in fact, it seems that mine has some sort of limited slip - it tends to sort of buck if turned tightly on dry pavement. I was reassured that this was not a problem by the Saab nut guy. Of course, he has told me, it turns out, many lies. As for price: I am AMAZED at how cheap these things sell! It doesn't seem right! Some of the more coveted models (SPG's, convertibles, etc.) sell for higher. But it encourages me that I may be able to find another one in the future for a good price. And how about the way that you can fold down the back seat so slick. You could set up a couple of sleeping bags in there and camp. Hey Curt, I have to get rid of mine sometime in the next several months (at least after I use it this winter). I think that Don might have been turned off by my detailed description of it, but perhaps you might be interested (you're in the market for a $200 car afterall, so I imagine you are not expecting perfection). I would hope to get a few hundred more for mine. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 Chris K wrote: My mother (70's) drives an '84 900. She loves it and wouldn't think of letting us get her something newer, or an automatic. Hers is not as slow as a 240D. The 'S' model was a 16-valve and a little quicker. ...
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Zoltan Finks wrote: I've heard that the clutch is quite easy to replace, as it's right up by the radiator. I must admit that I don't really understand how the drivetrain is laid out in that thing, but it works. Longitudinal engine, flywheel on front, belt drive on back. Engine sits on top of tranny. Oil sump is part of the tranny case. Propeller shaft is driven by clutch disc, drives a sprocket for chain drive to the tranny input shaft. To swap the clutch, remove radiator, pull prop shaft out the front, have somebody depress the clutch pedal while you stick a spacer in the pressure plate to hold it compressed, then you have room to remove the slave cylinder. Set the slave aside, leaving the hose hooked up. Unbolt the pressure plate and remove clutch. Upon reinstallation, the fun part is holding the clutch plate up to the pilot hole so you can stick the prop shaft back in. IIRC, I used to put the clutch back in with a couple bolts to hold the pressure plate in place, then the slave cylinder, then unbolt the pressure plate so I could move it around as I installed the prop shaft, then bolt the pressure plate down, have a helper depress the clutch pedal just enough to get the spacer out of the pressure plate, reinstall radiator, open vent cock on the thermostat cover, fill with antifreeze until it runs out the vent, close vent, and don't worry about having air in the cooling system. Engine/tranny removal is incredibly easy too. Even has radiator style screw clamps on the inner CV joint boots so you can separate the joints to remove the power plant. Some things are annoying, like working inside the dash or replacing the steering rack, but I'd rather RR the evap in a 900 than in a W124.
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Very cool. Heck, I should be asking you my technical questions rather than the Saab list. (kidding of course) Brian On 10/21/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: I've heard that the clutch is quite easy to replace, as it's right up by the radiator. I must admit that I don't really understand how the drivetrain is laid out in that thing, but it works. Longitudinal engine, flywheel on front, belt drive on back. Engine sits on top of tranny. Oil sump is part of the tranny case. Propeller shaft is driven by clutch disc, drives a sprocket for chain drive to the tranny input shaft. To swap the clutch, remove radiator, pull prop shaft out the front, have somebody depress the clutch pedal while you stick a spacer in the pressure plate to hold it compressed, then you have room to remove the slave cylinder. Set the slave aside, leaving the hose hooked up. Unbolt the pressure plate and remove clutch. Upon reinstallation, the fun part is holding the clutch plate up to the pilot hole so you can stick the prop shaft back in. IIRC, I used to put the clutch back in with a couple bolts to hold the pressure plate in place, then the slave cylinder, then unbolt the pressure plate so I could move it around as I installed the prop shaft, then bolt the pressure plate down, have a helper depress the clutch pedal just enough to get the spacer out of the pressure plate, reinstall radiator, open vent cock on the thermostat cover, fill with antifreeze until it runs out the vent, close vent, and don't worry about having air in the cooling system. Engine/tranny removal is incredibly easy too. Even has radiator style screw clamps on the inner CV joint boots so you can separate the joints to remove the power plant. Some things are annoying, like working inside the dash or replacing the steering rack, but I'd rather RR the evap in a 900 than in a W124. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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this morning, i just bought a 1988 saab 900S 16-valve for $700. On 10/21/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool. Heck, I should be asking you my technical questions rather than the Saab list. (kidding of course) Brian On 10/21/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: I've heard that the clutch is quite easy to replace, as it's right up by the radiator. I must admit that I don't really understand how the drivetrain is laid out in that thing, but it works. Longitudinal engine, flywheel on front, belt drive on back. Engine sits on top of tranny. Oil sump is part of the tranny case. Propeller shaft is driven by clutch disc, drives a sprocket for chain drive to the tranny input shaft. To swap the clutch, remove radiator, pull prop shaft out the front, have somebody depress the clutch pedal while you stick a spacer in the pressure plate to hold it compressed, then you have room to remove the slave cylinder. Set the slave aside, leaving the hose hooked up. Unbolt the pressure plate and remove clutch. Upon reinstallation, the fun part is holding the clutch plate up to the pilot hole so you can stick the prop shaft back in. IIRC, I used to put the clutch back in with a couple bolts to hold the pressure plate in place, then the slave cylinder, then unbolt the pressure plate so I could move it around as I installed the prop shaft, then bolt the pressure plate down, have a helper depress the clutch pedal just enough to get the spacer out of the pressure plate, reinstall radiator, open vent cock on the thermostat cover, fill with antifreeze until it runs out the vent, close vent, and don't worry about having air in the cooling system. Engine/tranny removal is incredibly easy too. Even has radiator style screw clamps on the inner CV joint boots so you can separate the joints to remove the power plant. Some things are annoying, like working inside the dash or replacing the steering rack, but I'd rather RR the evap in a 900 than in a W124. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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See what I mean? These things are dirt cheap!! What's up with that? Compare what you're getting for $700 to what you could get in a VW Beetle for $3500! Brian really not angry, just baffled On 10/21/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this morning, i just bought a 1988 saab 900S 16-valve for $700. On 10/21/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool. Heck, I should be asking you my technical questions rather than the Saab list. (kidding of course) Brian On 10/21/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: I've heard that the clutch is quite easy to replace, as it's right up by the radiator. I must admit that I don't really understand how the drivetrain is laid out in that thing, but it works. Longitudinal engine, flywheel on front, belt drive on back. Engine sits on top of tranny. Oil sump is part of the tranny case. Propeller shaft is driven by clutch disc, drives a sprocket for chain drive to the tranny input shaft. To swap the clutch, remove radiator, pull prop shaft out the front, have somebody depress the clutch pedal while you stick a spacer in the pressure plate to hold it compressed, then you have room to remove the slave cylinder. Set the slave aside, leaving the hose hooked up. Unbolt the pressure plate and remove clutch. Upon reinstallation, the fun part is holding the clutch plate up to the pilot hole so you can stick the prop shaft back in. IIRC, I used to put the clutch back in with a couple bolts to hold the pressure plate in place, then the slave cylinder, then unbolt the pressure plate so I could move it around as I installed the prop shaft, then bolt the pressure plate down, have a helper depress the clutch pedal just enough to get the spacer out of the pressure plate, reinstall radiator, open vent cock on the thermostat cover, fill with antifreeze until it runs out the vent, close vent, and don't worry about having air in the cooling system. Engine/tranny removal is incredibly easy too. Even has radiator style screw clamps on the inner CV joint boots so you can separate the joints to remove the power plant. Some things are annoying, like working inside the dash or replacing the steering rack, but I'd rather RR the evap in a 900 than in a W124. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I always wondered what it would take to install the engine/tranny from a 900 turbo into a Sonnett -- sure would be a sweet car! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Yeah, for my $700 I'll get a car that won't separate me from my legs in a crash. Oh, and functional heat. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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John Peterson wrote: Curt, I had many 900's. Very nice car. Will run 200k+. Gearbox in the 85-88 were weak and usually gave out about 130k or so. I might have been an exception, but I had really, really good luck with all of my 900's. I've always liked the way those looked. I test-drove one, an '89 I think it was. This was back in 2002 or so. I found it pleasingly idiosyncratic and fun to drive, except that it had the heaviest, most tedious clutch of any passenger car I've ever driven. Is this normal, or was there something wrong with it? Ultimately I passed on the car. The dealership wanted something like $3900. I told them I wouldn't pay a dime over $3000. They balked and I walked. The car sat on the lot for months after that. I wouldn't rule out buying one in the future, although my practical side keeps telling me I should stick to cars that I already own the special tools for. ;)
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mine has a very light clutch, lighter than my civic. it was replaced within the last few years. On 10/21/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Peterson wrote: Curt, I had many 900's. Very nice car. Will run 200k+. Gearbox in the 85-88 were weak and usually gave out about 130k or so. I might have been an exception, but I had really, really good luck with all of my 900's. I've always liked the way those looked. I test-drove one, an '89 I think it was. This was back in 2002 or so. I found it pleasingly idiosyncratic and fun to drive, except that it had the heaviest, most tedious clutch of any passenger car I've ever driven. Is this normal, or was there something wrong with it? Ultimately I passed on the car. The dealership wanted something like $3900. I told them I wouldn't pay a dime over $3000. They balked and I walked. The car sat on the lot for months after that. I wouldn't rule out buying one in the future, although my practical side keeps telling me I should stick to cars that I already own the special tools for. ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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OK Don wrote: I always wondered what it would take to install the engine/tranny from a 900 turbo into a Sonnett -- sure would be a sweet car! I think it would be right up there with putting a 302 Ford in a 190E. The V-4 in Saabs is a Ford engine. What's usually swapped in is a 2.8L Ford V-6 (as found in the German made Capri of similar vintage to the Sonnett III). Fitting the V-6 in the Sonnett is like putting a 603 in a 190E, everything bolts up but the engine is too long. You have to relocate the radiator, but I think it would be possible to just eliminate the belt drive fan and put an electric pusher fan in front of the radiator. A/C and V-6 would be a real tight squeeze in a Sonnett, but might be doable in the 96 Sedan. (The 96 also might have enough underhood height for the I-4 from a 99 or 900, I think you'd need quite a hood bulge to fit one in the Sonnett) Mitch.
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Sunil Hari wrote: mine has a very light clutch, lighter than my civic. it was replaced within the last few years. IIRC, my 99 got stiffer just before it started slipping from having a thin disc. I think it has something to do with the geometry of the pressure plate.
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I did my drivers license test in a '74 Saab. The only thing I vaguely remember about the '85 era vehicles is that I think they have the extra weird gear driven H2O pumps which are a bitch to RR, and leak into the sump when they fail. I like Saabs...sort of. On 10/20/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we've got some Saab enthusiasts on this list so. Theres an '85 Saab 900 on Craigslist near me. 114k miles, 5spd. Supposedly needs a fuel pump relay to run. They want $200, the pictures make it look like a very nice car which considering its a New England car means its a rust bucket but I digress. Back in highschool I had a friend who had a '79 Saab which she let me drive once. I remember it being a very nice driving car. We currently need a third car for a backup and since I'm having no luck finding another Benz I'm opening the field a bit. I've been told that old Saabs are a nightmare to keep up. Any opinions? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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Curt, I had many 900's. Very nice car. Will run 200k+. Gearbox in the 85-88 were weak and usually gave out about 130k or so. I might have been an exception, but I had really, really good luck with all of my 900's. No electrical problems, they were spirited, economical and parts were cheap. Easy to work on too. You will want the Bentley manual. Fuel pump is most likely bad- the relays go but the fuel pumps (electric) cut out every 70k or so. Just a guess. Never had the relay go- just the pumps. Would I buy another 900? Absolutely. After having owned a 300D, absolutely. Two different cars, but both very nice. John Peterson Curt Raymond wrote: I know we've got some Saab enthusiasts on this list so. Theres an '85 Saab 900 on Craigslist near me. 114k miles, 5spd. Supposedly needs a fuel pump relay to run. They want $200, the pictures make it look like a very nice car which considering its a New England car means its a rust bucket but I digress. Back in highschool I had a friend who had a '79 Saab which she let me drive once. I remember it being a very nice driving car. We currently need a third car for a backup and since I'm having no luck finding another Benz I'm opening the field a bit. I've been told that old Saabs are a nightmare to keep up. Any opinions? Thanks -Curt - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
