Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Mon, June 29, 2020 12:56 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> No CVTs, hybrids.

Which means, at least with 10-15 year old Datsuns, eCVT licensed from Toyoda.
So it's not snowmobile CVT like the non-hybrid Altima.

And it was fairly peppy. 2010 model was quicker 0-60 than a 2.3-16.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a15145315/2010-ford-fusion-hybrid-vs-camry-hybrid-altima-hybrid-and-malibu-hybrid-comparison-tests/

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And that, my friend, is exactly what I”m looking for….

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> My brother the (retired) mechanic is a big fan of the right Buick
> (engine, etc,) for a trouble-free and inexpensive A-to-B adapter.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My brother the (retired) mechanic is a big fan of the right Buick
(engine, etc,) for a trouble-free and inexpensive A-to-B adapter.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Search didn't work. Brought up w211's

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 11:28 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> >Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found >around here right now.
>
> Huh?
>
> 
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> >https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/934039980445671>
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> I don't know if the search url will work...
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I might. Hit me up when the time comes 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Heh. I knew the vultures would be circling…
> 
> Dump it on CL unless you want to buy it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What are you going to do with the CDI?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess 
>>> with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 O. So you want to take the CDI away?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What or who are you looking for a car for?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right 
>>> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some 
>>> reason.
>>> 
>>> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>>> 
>>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some 
>>> feedback.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
 option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
 
 Rick
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh. I knew the vultures would be circling…

Dump it on CL unless you want to buy it.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What are you going to do with the CDI?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess 
>> with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying about.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> O. So you want to take the CDI away?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
 
 -D
 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> What or who are you looking for a car for?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right 
>> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some 
>> reason.
>> 
>> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some 
>> feedback.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
>>> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What are you going to do with the CDI?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess 
> with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying about.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> O. So you want to take the CDI away?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 What or who are you looking for a car for?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. 
> Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
> 
> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>  
> 
> 
> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>  
> 
> 
> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
>> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Buick trim levels:
CXL = high end, leather interior.
CXS = Sport = rides like a truck, not like a Buick.
CX = cheaper than the above.

On Mon, June 29, 2020 10:49 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right
> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some
> reason.
>
> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>


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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. I’ve known a number of people with various models of Hondas from the 
early 2000s on that have had serious issues. CRVs have exploding AC systems, 
for example.

I’ve had a 2001 Nissan Altima from new, a 2006 Mazda 6 from new, and A couple 
of Ford Focii used and all of them were solid vehicles with little to no 
issues. Granted, you can always get a clunker, but you’re hedging your bets 
with cars like these.

Buicks with the 3.8l six are like flies on dookey around here because of their 
popularity wit the blue hairs. Same goes for Grand Marquis and the Ford 
equivalent, but those often have V8s and I want a car that’s economical, not a 
gas guzzler.

I don’t have a particular penchant for a given Buick model, the Lucernes seem 
to be fairly common in the pre-2010 time frame and are solid, well built cars 
with nice interiors and amenities. The drive train is proven and fairly robust 
and they’re cheap and easy to repair. An Asian car like a Nissan Altima would 
probably be a four banger, which I’m not keen about from a power standpoint but 
they’re pretty simple and bulletproof.

We’ll see. He may throw me a curve when I talk to him tonight. I’m pretty well 
leaning Buick or Nissan at this point. He’a a big guy, too, so cabin space is a 
consideration.

Thanks, everyone! Keep those suggestions coming.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> People talk about how well made and reliable Hondas are, but I'm not
> convinced. Especially the automatic transmissions don't seem to be
> really long-lived.
> 
> I won't buy another Honda with an autobox. Have had two that both had
> problems.
> 
> I might consider an Accord or Civic with a 5-speed. Some Elements (and
> I assume CRVs) had manuals also.
> 
> Definitely avoid anything German. Germans expect you'll follow the
> maintenance schedule. Things don't tend to go well if you
> don't. Probably applies to most other Euro marques as well.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess 
>> with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying about.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> O. So you want to take the CDI away?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
 
 -D
 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> What or who are you looking for a car for?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right 
>> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some 
>> reason.
>> 
>> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some 
>> feedback.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
>>> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

People talk about how well made and reliable Hondas are, but I'm not
convinced. Especially the automatic transmissions don't seem to be
really long-lived.

I won't buy another Honda with an autobox. Have had two that both had
problems.

I might consider an Accord or Civic with a 5-speed. Some Elements (and
I assume CRVs) had manuals also.

Definitely avoid anything German. Germans expect you'll follow the
maintenance schedule. Things don't tend to go well if you
don't. Probably applies to most other Euro marques as well.

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess 
> with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying about.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> O. So you want to take the CDI away?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 What or who are you looking for a car for?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. 
> Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
> 
> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>  
> 
> 
> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>  
> 
> 
> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
>> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

This99 $600E320 isn’t Too bad, might need rear bearings 

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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I woud consider putting him in a W210 sedan if I could find a decent one. 
> I’m just so frazzled over this W211, a part of which is my own fault because 
> of the miles (337k) that are now on it and that it was less than perfect when 
> I got it. he won’t maintain or repair the car, he’ll just drive it into the 
> ground. That’s why I would go towards something relatively bulletproof, like 
> a Camry, Altima, Buick (with the 3.8l, not 3.6l, my mistake.)
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an option 
>> if you have an inclination to do the sorting. 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No CVTs, hybrids.

-D


> On Jun 29, 2020, at 12:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, June 29, 2020 10:12 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> getting the son into a Nissam Altima
> 
> Ask Thursby about buying used Datsuns with CVTs.
> How do you know it's had proper maintenance with the correct spec fluid?
> How do you know a solenoid isn't going to crap out on a well maintained
> box and chew up the drive belt?
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Mon, June 29, 2020 10:12 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> getting the son into a Nissam Altima

Ask Thursby about buying used Datsuns with CVTs.
How do you know it's had proper maintenance with the correct spec fluid?
How do you know a solenoid isn't going to crap out on a well maintained
box and chew up the drive belt?

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

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Dan says:

>Interesting, as I don’t see hardly any of those.

I wonder why? That search was on my phone, on a Firefox
browser, not the app. I refuse to use the app. I will try on 
the computer (Linux w/FF) and see what comes up.

Looks like it depends on the search parameters.
Using just e320 brings up a few.
Using mercedes benz e320 brings up next to nothing.
Using Mercedes-Benz brings up your next project...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/948757212242837/

and a potential son's car.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/263552138182919/

Did the search URL work?

HTH,

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Facebook search sucks 

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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, as I don’t see hardly any of those.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found >around here right now. 
>> 
>> Huh?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/934039980445671>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know if the search url will work...
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

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WHat's so great about Lucerne?

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess
> with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying
> about.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > O. So you want to take the CDI away?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>  On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What or who are you looking for a car for?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right
> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
> 
>  Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
> 
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
> <
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
> >
> 
>  And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
> 
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
> >
> 
>  We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some
> feedback.
> 
>  -D
> 
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> > And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an
> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

He just needs something bulletproof that he can drive and not have to mess 
with. I don’t want something in the fleet that I’m constantly worrying about.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> O. So you want to take the CDI away?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What or who are you looking for a car for?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. 
 Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
 
 Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
 
 https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
  
 
 
 And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
 
 https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
  
 
 
 We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.
 
 -D
 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting, as I don’t see hardly any of those.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found >around here right now. 
> 
> Huh?
> 
> 
> 
>> https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/934039980445671>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know if the search url will work...
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found >around here right now. 

Huh?



>https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/934039980445671>





I don't know if the search url will work...



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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

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O. So you want to take the CDI away?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What or who are you looking for a car for?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. 
>>> Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
>>> 
>>> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>>> 
>>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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  wrote:
 
 And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an 
 option if you have an inclination to do the sorting. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s sort of weird, as there always seemed to be plenty of them around here in 
various condition. Looking through both CL and AutoTrader there isn’t a single 
one.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Around here all the w210s rusted out early on.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:04 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> What or who are you looking for a car for?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right
>> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
>>> 
>>> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>> <
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>> <
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some
>> feedback.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an
>> option if you have an inclination to do the sorting.
 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Oldest plumber son who drives the E320 CDI.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What or who are you looking for a car for?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. 
>> Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
>> 
>> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an option 
>>> if you have an inclination to do the sorting. 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Around here all the w210s rusted out early on.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right
> now. Not sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
> >
> > Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
> >
> >
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
> <
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
> >
> >
> > And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
> >
> >
> > We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What or who are you looking for a car for?

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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. Not 
> sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.
> 
> Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
>  
> 
> 
> And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
>  
> 
> 
> We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Believe it or not, there’s not a W210 to be found around here right now. Not 
sure what that’s about, but they’re slim pickings for some reason.

Might go look a this Buick Lucerne:

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-2007-buick-lucerne-cxl-dads/7149308260.html
 


And another in the immediate area, a little older but it’s green!!

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-buick-lucerne-cx-low-mi/7138670006.html
 


We’ll see. I need to have a sit-down with him first and get some feedback.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> 
> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an option 
> if you have an inclination to do the sorting. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes it does, but the battery minder system will differentiate between the 
“main” battery and the little one when there are issues.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I forget, does the W211 have an auxiliary battery that gives you all sorts
> of grief if you run your batteries down?
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I forget, does the W211 have an auxiliary battery that gives you all sorts
of grief if you run your batteries down?

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I woud consider putting him in a W210 sedan if I could find a decent one. I’m 
just so frazzled over this W211, a part of which is my own fault because of the 
miles (337k) that are now on it and that it was less than perfect when I got 
it. he won’t maintain or repair the car, he’ll just drive it into the ground. 
That’s why I would go towards something relatively bulletproof, like a Camry, 
Altima, Buick (with the 3.8l, not 3.6l, my mistake.)

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> 
> And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an option 
> if you have an inclination to do the sorting. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

And of course the W210 isn't a bad car once sorted. That would be an option if 
you have an inclination to do the sorting. 

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I would recommend a Crown Vic (older ones had an intake manifold coolant leak 
issue), Toyota Camry 2004-2006 four cylinder, Toyota Corolla 2003 or newer, 
Buick with 3800 V6. The GM 3.4 is junk.
A Toyota Matrix, or Pontiac Vibe would work too, if he needs a hatchback or 
wagon. I never really liked Nissan after they merged with Renault. 

https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m pulling the plug on this car. The battery bitch is still going on, yet the 
DAS shows system voltage at 13.4 or better depending on what’s going on. As a 
function of the battery gripe it’s cutting off systems as it’s supposed to do 
in the event things were really screwed up so he’s not getting AC when it 
doesn’t feel like turning it on. Screw that.

I’m getting the son into a Nissam Altima or a nice Buick with a 3.6l V6, as 
they’re all over the place here with the blue hairs that get their licenses 
yanked. Something he can drive the shit out of, get an oil change at the 
quickie lube place, and anyone can fix it if it breaks.

I’ve already got some cars to look at tonight after he gets off work. I’m done 
with this thing. I have neither the time nor the inclination to deal with it.

-D

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 211 wagon was giving me that cutting off power thing a coupla times right 
> after I got it but hasn’t done it again for awhile. Shuts off the AC and some 
> other things. Not sure what it was about. Kinda freaked me out. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake has 
>> been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.
>> 
>> Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, some 
>> we expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. Ran the 
>> SBC diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below spec. 
>> Explained the 25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of the DAS 
>> errors, and wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership tomorrow to get 
>> the car in for the SBC to be replaced under warranty.
>> 
>> He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the glow 
>> plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s bolted 
>> to the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from below. He 
>> wasn’t able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he unplugged it, 
>> plugged in the new one and zip tied it to some components in the general 
>> vicinity. Not ideal and certainly not what I would have done, but you know, 
>> he’s a grown ass man so he can make his own decisions and suffer the 
>> consequences, if any.
>> 
>> So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I also 
>> replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that looked like 
>> it was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm in the dash 
>> saying that the battery is low and the battery monitor is cutting off power 
>> to “convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked me out a little, so 
>> we threw it back on the DAS to run another set of diagnostics while we went 
>> inside and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat index here today.)
>> 
>> While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there 
>> are two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I 
>> immediately figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS 
>> with no charger on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up with 
>> full glow plugs with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery down 
>> considerably, I’m sure.
>> 
>> So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about low 
>> battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.
>> 
>> He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.
>> 
>> I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, 
>> battery nanny has retreated and no more alarms.
>> 
>> The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My 211 wagon was giving me that cutting off power thing a coupla times right 
after I got it but hasn’t done it again for awhile. Shuts off the AC and some 
other things. Not sure what it was about. Kinda freaked me out. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake has 
> been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.
> 
> Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, some 
> we expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. Ran the 
> SBC diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below spec. Explained 
> the 25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of the DAS errors, and 
> wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership tomorrow to get the car in 
> for the SBC to be replaced under warranty.
> 
> He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the glow 
> plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s bolted to 
> the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from below. He wasn’t 
> able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he unplugged it, plugged in 
> the new one and zip tied it to some components in the general vicinity. Not 
> ideal and certainly not what I would have done, but you know, he’s a grown 
> ass man so he can make his own decisions and suffer the consequences, if any.
> 
> So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I also 
> replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that looked like 
> it was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm in the dash 
> saying that the battery is low and the battery monitor is cutting off power 
> to “convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked me out a little, so we 
> threw it back on the DAS to run another set of diagnostics while we went 
> inside and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat index here today.)
> 
> While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there 
> are two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I 
> immediately figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS 
> with no charger on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up with 
> full glow plugs with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery down 
> considerably, I’m sure.
> 
> So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about low 
> battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.
> 
> He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.
> 
> I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, 
> battery nanny has retreated and no more alarms.
> 
> The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I”m assuming the pressure is being measured at the output of the SBC module. Or 
are there pressure transducers at the calipers?

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A kink or other partial blockage in the line?
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 3:29 PM
> To: Okie Benz
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania
> 
> No visible leaks.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess it could be low if the caliper is leaking and not building enough 
>> pressure.  I guess maybe the pump sends pressure individually rather than an 
>> all or nothing situation.
>> 
>> On 6/28/2020 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The error was specifically low pressure to that wheel and it gave me the 
>>> option to disable SBC. I’m not sure how you would have low pressure to a 
>>> caliper and the caliper be at fault - the SBC system went through all of 
>>> the diagnostics and flagged the system as being bad. Max pressure on the 
>>> left  front was 64 bar, and the minimum was 69 bar, so it failed the pump.
>>> 
>>> He’s still got brakes, but he said the left front definitely feels weird if 
>>> he gets on the brakes. Even if the caliper was stuck the pressure should 
>>> still be at or above spec, correct?
>>> 
>>> This is my first run in with SBC, so I’m not that familiar with it as far 
>>> as failure mode.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That almost sounds like a caliper issue to me, I am not sure if that is 
>>>> covered under the SBC warranty or not.
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2020 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake 
>>>>> has been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, 
>>>>> some we expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. 
>>>>> Ran the SBC diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below 
>>>>> spec. Explained the 25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of 
>>>>> the DAS errors, and wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership 
>>>>> tomorrow to get the car in for the SBC to be replaced under warranty.
>>>>> 
>>>>> He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the 
>>>>> glow plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s 
>>>>> bolted to the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from 
>>>>> below. He wasn’t able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he 
>>>>> unplugged it, plugged in the new one and zip tied it to some components 
>>>>> in the general vicinity. Not ideal and certainly not what I would have 
>>>>> done, but you know, he’s a grown ass man so he can make his own decisions 
>>>>> and suffer the consequences, if any.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I 
>>>>> also replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that 
>>>>> looked like it was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm 
>>>>> in the dash saying that the battery is low and the battery monitor is 
>>>>> cutting off power to “convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked 
>>>>> me out a little, so we threw it back on the DAS to run another set of 
>>>>> diagnostics while we went inside and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat 
>>>>> index here today.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that 
>>>>> there are two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. 
>>>>> I immediately figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the 
>>>>> DAS with no charger on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it 
>>>>> up with full glow plugs with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the 
>>>>> battery down considerably, I’m sure.
>>>>> 

Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No visible leaks.

-D

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess it could be low if the caliper is leaking and not building enough 
> pressure.  I guess maybe the pump sends pressure individually rather than an 
> all or nothing situation.
> 
> On 6/28/2020 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The error was specifically low pressure to that wheel and it gave me the 
>> option to disable SBC. I’m not sure how you would have low pressure to a 
>> caliper and the caliper be at fault - the SBC system went through all of the 
>> diagnostics and flagged the system as being bad. Max pressure on the left  
>> front was 64 bar, and the minimum was 69 bar, so it failed the pump.
>> 
>> He’s still got brakes, but he said the left front definitely feels weird if 
>> he gets on the brakes. Even if the caliper was stuck the pressure should 
>> still be at or above spec, correct?
>> 
>> This is my first run in with SBC, so I’m not that familiar with it as far as 
>> failure mode.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That almost sounds like a caliper issue to me, I am not sure if that is 
>>> covered under the SBC warranty or not.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/2020 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake 
 has been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.
 
 Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, 
 some we expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. 
 Ran the SBC diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below 
 spec. Explained the 25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of 
 the DAS errors, and wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership 
 tomorrow to get the car in for the SBC to be replaced under warranty.
 
 He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the 
 glow plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s 
 bolted to the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from 
 below. He wasn’t able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he 
 unplugged it, plugged in the new one and zip tied it to some components in 
 the general vicinity. Not ideal and certainly not what I would have done, 
 but you know, he’s a grown ass man so he can make his own decisions and 
 suffer the consequences, if any.
 
 So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I 
 also replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that 
 looked like it was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm 
 in the dash saying that the battery is low and the battery monitor is 
 cutting off power to “convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked 
 me out a little, so we threw it back on the DAS to run another set of 
 diagnostics while we went inside and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat 
 index here today.)
 
 While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there 
 are two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I 
 immediately figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS 
 with no charger on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up 
 with full glow plugs with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery 
 down considerably, I’m sure.
 
 So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about 
 low battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.
 
 He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.
 
 I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, 
 battery nanny has retreated and no more alarms.
 
 The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.
 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess it could be low if the caliper is leaking and not building 
enough pressure.  I guess maybe the pump sends pressure individually 
rather than an all or nothing situation.


On 6/28/2020 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The error was specifically low pressure to that wheel and it gave me the option 
to disable SBC. I’m not sure how you would have low pressure to a caliper and 
the caliper be at fault - the SBC system went through all of the diagnostics 
and flagged the system as being bad. Max pressure on the left  front was 64 
bar, and the minimum was 69 bar, so it failed the pump.

He’s still got brakes, but he said the left front definitely feels weird if he 
gets on the brakes. Even if the caliper was stuck the pressure should still be 
at or above spec, correct?

This is my first run in with SBC, so I’m not that familiar with it as far as 
failure mode.

-D




On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

That almost sounds like a caliper issue to me, I am not sure if that is covered 
under the SBC warranty or not.

On 6/28/2020 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake has 
been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.

Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, some we 
expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. Ran the SBC 
diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below spec. Explained the 
25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of the DAS errors, and 
wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership tomorrow to get the car in for 
the SBC to be replaced under warranty.

He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the glow 
plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s bolted to 
the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from below. He wasn’t 
able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he unplugged it, plugged in the 
new one and zip tied it to some components in the general vicinity. Not ideal 
and certainly not what I would have done, but you know, he’s a grown ass man so 
he can make his own decisions and suffer the consequences, if any.

So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I also 
replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that looked like it 
was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm in the dash saying 
that the battery is low and the battery monitor is cutting off power to 
“convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked me out a little, so we 
threw it back on the DAS to run another set of diagnostics while we went inside 
and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat index here today.)

While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there are 
two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I immediately 
figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS with no charger 
on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up with full glow plugs 
with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery down considerably, I’m 
sure.

So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about low 
battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.

He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.

I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, battery 
nanny has retreated and no more alarms.

The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The error was specifically low pressure to that wheel and it gave me the option 
to disable SBC. I’m not sure how you would have low pressure to a caliper and 
the caliper be at fault - the SBC system went through all of the diagnostics 
and flagged the system as being bad. Max pressure on the left  front was 64 
bar, and the minimum was 69 bar, so it failed the pump.

He’s still got brakes, but he said the left front definitely feels weird if he 
gets on the brakes. Even if the caliper was stuck the pressure should still be 
at or above spec, correct?

This is my first run in with SBC, so I’m not that familiar with it as far as 
failure mode.

-D



> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That almost sounds like a caliper issue to me, I am not sure if that is 
> covered under the SBC warranty or not.
> 
> On 6/28/2020 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake has 
>> been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.
>> 
>> Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, some 
>> we expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. Ran the 
>> SBC diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below spec. 
>> Explained the 25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of the DAS 
>> errors, and wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership tomorrow to get 
>> the car in for the SBC to be replaced under warranty.
>> 
>> He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the glow 
>> plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s bolted 
>> to the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from below. He 
>> wasn’t able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he unplugged it, 
>> plugged in the new one and zip tied it to some components in the general 
>> vicinity. Not ideal and certainly not what I would have done, but you know, 
>> he’s a grown ass man so he can make his own decisions and suffer the 
>> consequences, if any.
>> 
>> So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I also 
>> replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that looked like 
>> it was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm in the dash 
>> saying that the battery is low and the battery monitor is cutting off power 
>> to “convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked me out a little, so 
>> we threw it back on the DAS to run another set of diagnostics while we went 
>> inside and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat index here today.)
>> 
>> While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there 
>> are two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I 
>> immediately figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS 
>> with no charger on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up with 
>> full glow plugs with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery down 
>> considerably, I’m sure.
>> 
>> So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about low 
>> battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.
>> 
>> He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.
>> 
>> I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, 
>> battery nanny has retreated and no more alarms.
>> 
>> The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That almost sounds like a caliper issue to me, I am not sure if that is 
covered under the SBC warranty or not.


On 6/28/2020 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake has 
been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.

Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, some we 
expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. Ran the SBC 
diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below spec. Explained the 
25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of the DAS errors, and 
wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership tomorrow to get the car in for 
the SBC to be replaced under warranty.

He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the glow 
plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s bolted to 
the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from below. He wasn’t 
able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he unplugged it, plugged in the 
new one and zip tied it to some components in the general vicinity. Not ideal 
and certainly not what I would have done, but you know, he’s a grown ass man so 
he can make his own decisions and suffer the consequences, if any.

So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I also 
replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that looked like it 
was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm in the dash saying 
that the battery is low and the battery monitor is cutting off power to 
“convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked me out a little, so we 
threw it back on the DAS to run another set of diagnostics while we went inside 
and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat index here today.)

While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there are 
two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I immediately 
figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS with no charger 
on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up with full glow plugs 
with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery down considerably, I’m 
sure.

So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about low 
battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.

He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.

I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, battery 
nanny has retreated and no more alarms.

The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.

-D
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[MBZ] W211 Nanny Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Worked on the oldest boy’s E320 CDI today. He said the left front brake has 
been making noise, but it works and the pads aren’t worn down. Hmm.

Put the car on the DAS and ran a full set of diagnostics. A few bangs, some we 
expected, like EGR which is disabled, but a couple for the SBC. Ran the SBC 
diagnostics and sure enough, left front pressure is below spec. Explained the 
25 year warranty to son, had him do a screen grab of the DAS errors, and 
wrapped things up. He’s calling the stealership tomorrow to get the car in for 
the SBC to be replaced under warranty.

He decided after many months of it sitting on the shelf to install the glow 
plug controller to replace the one on the car that has failed. It’s bolted to 
the bottom of the intake manifold and has to be removed from below. He wasn’t 
able to get to the fasteners on the old one, so he unplugged it, plugged in the 
new one and zip tied it to some components in the general vicinity. Not ideal 
and certainly not what I would have done, but you know, he’s a grown ass man so 
he can make his own decisions and suffer the consequences, if any.

So he fires the car up and it’s running much better. I would add that I also 
replaced some really sketchy wiring on one of the injectors that looked like it 
was the old self-destructing stuff. But - he get an alarm in the dash saying 
that the battery is low and the battery monitor is cutting off power to 
“convenience systems”. Whatever. It sort of freaked me out a little, so we 
threw it back on the DAS to run another set of diagnostics while we went inside 
and cooled off a bit (nearly 100F heat index here today.)

While inside, I did some research on this battery nanny to find that there are 
two levels of alert based on how low the battery voltage gets. I immediately 
figured it fired off because we had the car sitting on the DAS with no charger 
on it for a good 45 minutes, after which he fires it up with full glow plugs 
with the new controller, I’m sure. Dogged the battery down considerably, I’m 
sure.

So we look at the results of the diagnostics and find a bang in it about low 
battery voltage. I’m sure that’s it.

He takes the car for a short spin and gets it again. Grrr.

I told him to take the car out for a decent drive. He does. Comes back, battery 
nanny has retreated and no more alarms.

The W211s are nice cars, but sometimes they make a W123 look attractive.

-D
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