Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[MG via Mercedes]

Damn, stuff just doesn't last like it used to. You'd think that a 
seal would last a bit longer then just 30 years. Especially when 
the manufacturer says to use ATF.



Manfred

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:27:53 -0600
From: Peter Frederick 


There are rumors that ATF in any version will eat the seals out 
of the

PS pump.

My "new" 300D lost one a few years back, and the fluid was pink.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't believe that.  Worn out seals will leak with any color.

The 300TE had the tandem pump seals worn out due to being run dry for 
quite a while.  A kit and new seals fixed it.  the 35 year old pump in 
the 240D weeps.  It has 35 years and a few 100K miles on it, so I think 
it has served admirably.  I don't mind putting a new seal in it.   That 
is  on the "to do someday" list.  I've had the car over 20 years.  It 
had ATF in the PS pump when I got it.  I am thinking about dumping a 
little lubro-moly in it and see if that softens the seal enough for a 
few more years


I put about 250k on the first SDL.  Never had a problem with the PS pump 
in over 400k miles.


I've never used anything but ATF in the PS on MBs.  SLS takes majik 
juice, yea, but not PS.


2000+ MB, yer on yer own, read the book.


Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 7, 2016 at 5:27 PM
There are rumors that ATF in any version will eat the seals out of the 
PS pump.


My "new" 300D lost one a few years back, and the fluid was pink.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There are rumors that ATF in any version will eat the seals out of the  
PS pump.


My "new" 300D lost one a few years back, and the fluid was pink.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I use the Febi equivalent in my '95 E300 (and I use whatever ATF bottle is
open on the shelf for my '87 wagon), which I think is like $7 or $9 per
liter.  At my dealer I think they charged me $12 or $15 when I had to get
some of the 000 989 88 03 quickly.

Febi 08972 is "recommended" for use in systems that require MB Spec Sheet
236.3.  The BEVO 236.3 does not list any Febi fluids, so I guess that means
that Febi has not paid for the testing to prove they meet MB's spec.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> That's what I need to do. At $33 a litre, I will place it in a spot of
> distinction in the garage.
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Wow! Really?

I think the last liter I bought at the dealer was like $12, if that.

Dan

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> wrote:
> 
> That's what I need to do. At $33 a litre, I will place it in a spot of
> distinction in the garage.
> 
> Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

That's what I need to do. At $33 a litre, I will place it in a spot of
distinction in the garage.

Bob R

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> I just keep a couple of liters of MB fluid on the shelf, that way it's
> alway right no matter what.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Then M1 it is.
> >
> > Bob R
> >
> > On Dec 7, 2016 10:35 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yea that should be fine
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> M1 ATF?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on
> >> either a
> >>>> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does
> not
> >>>> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Curt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply
> ATF,
> >>>> no?
> >>>>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> >>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I just keep a couple of liters of MB fluid on the shelf, that way it's alway 
right no matter what.

Dan

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Then M1 it is.
> 
> Bob R
> 
> On Dec 7, 2016 10:35 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yea that should be fine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> M1 ATF?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on
>> either a
>>>> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
>>>> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>>From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>>>>> 
>>>>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
>>>> no?
>>>>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Then M1 it is.

Bob R

On Dec 7, 2016 10:35 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea that should be fine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > M1 ATF?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on
> either a
> >> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> >> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> >>>
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> >>> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> >>>
> >>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
> >> no?
> >>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea that should be fine 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> M1 ATF?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on either a
>> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
>> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>>> 
>>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
>> no?
>>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

M1 ATF?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on either a
> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> >
> > I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
> no?
> > Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on either a 210 
or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not have 
> a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> 
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's what I use.

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

It's a '98.

I have both the Petosin (for the VWs) and Dexron III. I reckon I really
cant go wrong topping off with the Petosin.until I either settle this
dilimea (M1, Petosin, DexIII) or go buy MB PS oil.

Bob R

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hmm, I was pretty sure of what I told you but now the googles shows me
> posts where people say to use M1 ATF in a 210.
> When I got my '85 190D I put M1 ATF in just like I had with my 240D and in
> short order it started leaking around the pump shaft seal. I replaced the
> pump and put Pentosin in it and it didn't leak again.
> What year is your car? I see Pentosin CH11F recommended for 2001-2005. I
> used that in my Jetta a few months ago. Spendy but you don't need that
> much...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
>  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:54 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>
> Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid
> Bob R
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hmm, I was pretty sure of what I told you but now the googles shows me posts 
where people say to use M1 ATF in a 210.
When I got my '85 190D I put M1 ATF in just like I had with my 240D and in 
short order it started leaking around the pump shaft seal. I replaced the pump 
and put Pentosin in it and it didn't leak again.
What year is your car? I see Pentosin CH11F recommended for 2001-2005. I used 
that in my Jetta a few months ago. Spendy but you don't need that much...
-Curt

  From: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
   
Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid
Bob R

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not have a 
serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...

-Curt

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Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So it appears a majority of chassis' use the Petosin CHF 11S. The W210,
specifically, uses either MB fluid or Dexron III.
I have some Dexron III in the garage. The information I looked at wasn't
too elaborate as to Dexron III.  Are all Dexron III brands/iterations the
same?

Bob R

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid
>
> Bob R
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
>> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
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>> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
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>>  Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>>
>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
>> no?
>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
>>
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid

Bob R


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> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>
> -Curt
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>  Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
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> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not have a 
serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...

-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
   
I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?

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[MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Larry T]

Thanks Gary -

;-)

Sincerely,
Larry

On 2/9/2014 8:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

that's just the old school ATF in a PS bottle.  i'd happily use it in a W124


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


Hi All,
 I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the MB
dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says it is
to be used for Specs;
MB 236.3,
Dexron II,
Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) 
ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D  17k.

 Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the Power
Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid looks
pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.

Thanks!

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91 300D

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[MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Larry T]

Hi All,
I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the 
MB dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says 
it is to be used for Specs;

MB 236.3,
Dexron II,
Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) 
ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D  17k.

Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the 
Power Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid 
looks pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.


Thanks!

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91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Gary Hurst]

that's just the old school ATF in a PS bottle.  i'd happily use it in a W124


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi All,
 I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the MB
 dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says it is
 to be used for Specs;
 MB 236.3,
 Dexron II,
 Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) 
 ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D  17k.

 Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the Power
 Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid looks
 pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.

 Thanks!

 --
 Sincerely,
 LarryT
 78 240D
 91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Walt Zarnoch]

Mix with acetone, use on stuck bolts.

Walt
On Aug 24, 2011 11:22 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:
 It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in
the garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
 Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands.
Never used even one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the
one size fits all type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units.
Y'all have taught me not to believe that.
 It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people
do. So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than
burning them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?)
 Will they be valuable one day?
 Your thoughts?

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Max Dillon]

Should work fine in the older MB cars. Can also use to lube the throttle 
linkage.

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Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:

It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in the 
garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands. Never 
used even one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the one size 
fits all type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units. Y'all have 
taught me not to believe that.
It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people do. 
So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than burning 
them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing 
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?) 
Will they be valuable one day?
Your thoughts?

Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:28 -0400, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Should work fine in the older MB cars. Can also use to lube the throttle 
 linkage.

Older cars use ATF for power steering, no?

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

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Yes, and I'm pretty confident that your PSF, if not too old, would work fine.

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:28 -0400, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

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 linkage.

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[MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Jerry Herrman]

It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in the 
garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands.  Never 
used even one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the one size 
fits all type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units. Y'all have 
taught me not to believe that.
It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people do. 
So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than burning 
them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing 
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?) 
Will they be valuable one day?
Your thoughts?

Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Rolf]

Most petroleum fluids are hydroscopic, so chances are they have already 
absorbed enough water to make then worthless :D


-Rolf

On 8/24/2011 11:22 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in the 
garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands.  Never used even 
one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the one size fits all 
type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units. Y'all have taught me not to believe 
that.
It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people do. 
So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than burning 
them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing 
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?)
Will they be valuable one day?
Your thoughts?

Jerry
1982 240D


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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[LarryT]

Mercedes says ATF is not acceptable for their cars after 1985.  


Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??


No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
less after a year of proper PS fluid.


The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete

On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:21 AM, E M wrote:

Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil  
1 ATF

for the power steering, correct?

It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the  
steering
wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid  
will be

changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[E M]

Can anyone recommend a good brand of PS fluid, or best to just pick up the
MB brand?

Ed
300E

2008/11/11 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Mercedes says ATF is not acceptable for their cars after 1985.
 Sincerely,
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  No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  same!).
  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  less after a
 year of proper PS fluid.

 The W123 chassis used ATF.

 Pete

 On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:21 AM, E M wrote:

  Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil  1
 ATF
 for the power steering, correct?

 It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
 steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

 I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the
  steering
 wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid  will
 be
 changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

 Ed
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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

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E M wrote:

Can anyone recommend a good brand of PS fluid, or best to just pick up the
MB brand?


With the cost of a new Vickers pump, I'd buy a bottle or two of MBZ stuff every 
five years.


Mitch.


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[MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[E M]

Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil 1 ATF
for the power steering, correct?

It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the steering
wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid will be
changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

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No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
less after a year of proper PS fluid.


The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete

On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:21 AM, E M wrote:

Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil  
1 ATF

for the power steering, correct?

It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the  
steering
wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid  
will be

changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[Curt Raymond]

What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the new one 
hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
less after a year of proper PS fluid.

The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete


  
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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[Peter Frederick]

I think the change occured with the W126 chassis in 1981 -- anything  
later than that, use PS fluid, not ATF.


Older pumps are clearly marked Use Automatic transmission fluid only.

Peter

On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the  
new one hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
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No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much
less after a year of proper PS fluid.

The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[Curt Raymond]

Actually I remember the pump on the car came dry so I must have put ATF in it. 
I dunno if it leaks or not... It is clearly not the same type of pump as a 123 
car has.

-Curt

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:34 PM

I think the change occured with the W126 chassis in 1981 -- anything  
later than that, use PS fluid, not ATF.

Older pumps are clearly marked Use Automatic transmission fluid
only.

Peter

On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the  
 new one hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
 From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the
 same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much
 less after a year of proper PS fluid.

 The W123 chassis used ATF.

 Pete



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[John Freer]

W126 models through 1985 used ATF.
John

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the change occured with the W126 chassis in 1981 -- anything later
 than that, use PS fluid, not ATF.

 Older pumps are clearly marked Use Automatic transmission fluid only.

 Peter

 On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the new
 one hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
 From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

 No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the
 same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much
 less after a year of proper PS fluid.

 The W123 chassis used ATF.

 Pete



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
 same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
 less after a year of proper PS fluid.
 
 The W123 chassis used ATF.

I called Rusty about this, having a power steering fluid leak, and he said
the '94 E420 uses normal power steering fluid. I inferred that Mobil 1 ATF
was OK. But something already leaks.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Tom Scordato]

Don, I do not know about the 1990 SEL but recently changed mine out in my 
1979 240D.  I went to Wal-Mart and bought the cheapest ATF ($1.50 a quart) 
and used about two quarts to flush it out.


Drained it, put in the cheap stuff ran it a few minutes, drained and 
repeated until the new stuff in the reservoir was same color as the new 
stuff out of the ATF bottle.  I then drained one more time and put in Mobil 
1 ATF, ($7.00 a quart) took about a quart.  Replace the filter and away you 
go.  Now I need to do my 300D as it has been almost 80K since last replaced 
it with Mobil 1 ATF.


Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA
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Subject: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change



I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 123k

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats odd considering the dude supposedly did all this work to the car.

Donald Snook wrote:


I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out. 

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 123k 


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote:

 

Thats odd considering the dude supposedly did all this work to the
car.

 

I thought it was strange too.  But, I looked through the repair orders
from the dealer and there was nothing related to the power steering.
They (the dealership) flushed the break fluid 3 times in 27 months,
flushed coolant, transmission, etc.  The PO was doing everything at the
dealer and I guess the dealership was not selling this service.  Glad I
checked it. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL

Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[RDeafBoy]

 Donald  others,
   Imagine the shock that I got when  @ 171,176 
miles,  I removed  a Ceramic cylindrical sleeve. I guess this is the orignal 
filter 
??!! Anyway I flushed  and filled with Dextron II ATF with new filter [per MB 
guy]. I did this Oct.2005  [ 83 240D]

   NOTE ::
  My friend's father passed away  they're selling  1999  
500SL  about 25,000 miles..Located in Willow Grove,Pa.19090 by 
Turnpike Exit..Basically driven to Florida   for the winter months ... Tan 
/Champagne exterior ; Saddle interiorAsking 25,000 [Might take 23 G 
]...Beautiful ShapeI can look at it for anybody or get pics to 
you.
 Is the price about right ?

 P.S. Hey Larry T- I'd be glad to help out on the 240D if your anywhere 
close to Willow Grove ,Pa. ... I identify with your good/bad day syndrome 
since my brother has deals with it also[Doc cut his nerve-oops] .Being 
physically able ,maybe I can help.

  
  Bob H   


 1983 240D , 1969 Austin America, 1995  Olds Sillhouette[with Mercedes Emblem 
on hood]

[MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Donald Snook]

I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 123k 

Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Sunil Hari]

Can't recall 126s, but on my 123 it only took .5L to do a full flush of the
steering box.  Don't think it should take more than a liter to do the whole
thing on a 126.

On 1/31/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
 Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
 it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out.



 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL 123k

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:

I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out. 


The total volume of power steering fluid in your 126 is 1.3 liters 
(according to the '88 TDM). ABOUT half of that is in the reservoir and 
the other half in the hoses and gearbox. 201/124s use less (about 1 liter).


Marshall
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