Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-15 Thread Jim Cathey
I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. Yeah, it's stunning. Everything else looks like a cat in heat by comparison. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-14 Thread dseretakis
W113 good visibility too:) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 4:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. clay On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:13

[MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Sasser
Thanks everyone who responded to my query about experiences with either or both S classes. Seems the consensus is that the w140 is the way to go, even though (at least to me) the w220 is just jam packed with features some of which are now standard on Kia! Gotta go searching now, I hear the

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE

2013-07-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Joe Sasser joesas...@mac.com wrote: Gotta go searching now, I hear the West Coast calling for affordable w140s. It sure is! I live near Portland and have family in the SF Bay area, so I have a good excuse to search Craigslist down there---if I find a nice

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled seats, massaging chairs, heated rear chairs, rear controlled AC, automagic window

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled seats, massaging

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. clay On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE

2013-07-13 Thread clay
Late model W140 would have been my choice instead of the W220. SWMBA wanted newer, so I end up with those bells and whistles, instead of a properly appointed ride. An expense and quality issue for me. The w220 just feels cheezy compared to the w124. Fuzzy crap instead of MB-tex or leather

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
There were far too many black on black opportunities. Victor has a parchment interior on black. Seats are pierced leather and could probably be retrofitted to fan cooled. Early w220 had the seats, the w210s do not. clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sat, Jul 13,

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from hitting any bunnies. :-) Manfred Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:01:24 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net I attended a MBCA club event to the body shop. All the gimcrackery hooked to the front bumpers of the newer

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
Tell that to my mother. She is the Auschwitz of cotton-tailed populations of PNW. At least she takes them out in a japanese car. Costs less to fix it up clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:26 PM, MG wrote: Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from hitting any

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
Probably due to wind resistance (CoD), lower = more mpg. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Curt Raymond
I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about the best you can get but still not great. -Curt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220? Message-ID:     CABHyH

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Dieselhead
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Randy Bennell
On 11/07/2013 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. Does any

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
Yup, the rear view from the Pasat is not as good as the 124s it replaced, but might be a bit better than the new C class we drove last year before buying the Passat. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about

[MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Sasser
With my back having become worse, it's time to update S-classes from the w126 I've been driving for the past 10-11 years. It's a 300SD, and the mileage is phenomenal. Lots of work has gone into it, from a new engine, rebuilt tranny (with only 10k miles on it), and a complete AC overhaul,

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Dan Penoff
The W140 is a land yacht of a car, and almost as good as a well sorted out W126 for road trips. That being said, it is far more complex, with the resulting expense due to the many sophisticated systems it has. My comments are not meant to frighten or deter you from going with a W140, but

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Joe Sasser wrote: With my back having become worse, it's time to update S-classes from the w126 I've been driving for the past 10-11 years. It's a 300SD, and the mileage is phenomenal. Lots of work has gone into it, from a new engine, rebuilt tranny (with only 10k miles on it), and a complete

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread clay
I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Dieselhead
I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Dan Penoff
1.) If you find a decent W110 or W111, please let me know. I'm sort of in the very, very beginning stages of looking for one. 2.) If you're looking for something more modern and you still want the solid, living room comfort of a W126, I would highly recommend that you check out the very last

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Dan Penoff
1.) If you find a decent W110 or W111, please let me know. I'm sort of in the very, very beginning stages of looking for one. 2.) If you're looking for something more modern and you still want the solid, living room comfort of a W126, I would highly recommend that you check out the very last

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-11 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Question is, if a 126 is uncomfortable, then I think there is something wrong, such as worn seat. However don't the 220 have massaging seats or something? Hendrik who can sit in a MB all day and feel fine, other cars = soreness after an hour or two On 12/07/13 08:25, Dan Penoff wrote: 1.)

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Fmiser
Dieselhead wrote: The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. $3k will buy

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Dieselhead
Dieselhead wrote: The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. $3k will buy

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Scott Ritchey
It seemed everything was easy on a 123. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:30 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220? Dieselhead wrote: The beauty of the 110 through 123

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-11 Thread Craig
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on