Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
I always thought y'all was addressed only to Rebels, and all y'all included Yankees, but what do I know. Gerry...who is half Yankee OK Don wrote: What Wilton said - - - It's yaal here in Okie land. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:12 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Ya'll is a proper address in common use south of the Mason Dixon line. Ya'll Damn Yankees was the common address used until the forced insertion of Political Correct upon the Southern Population. Still found in common usage. As a technical operative point, you are required to reside for 4

Re: [MBZ] OT - Linebacker II and 1812 Overture

2014-11-28 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
I wonder which musical instrument is used to make the anvil sound in the Anvil Chorus? It was played a lot before WW-2. Gerry Curly McLain wrote: 'Just listened to the finale to Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. 'Sounds appropriate to have played some parts of it on the Hanoi bomb runs in Dec

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I am a died in the wool northerner who always opens doors for ladies and offers seats on the subway to anyone in need. Full Disclosure: My mother was raised in the south (Anniston, AL). On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ya'll is a proper address

[MBZ] FW: Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Y'all.This was the expected minimum behavior when I left the UK in '68 All unmarried ladies are addressed as Miss. All married ladies are addressed as Mum or Yes Mum. Hats are tipped, doors are opened, and you rise when they enter a room. My mother, from Derbyshire, addressed young women

Re: [MBZ] FW: Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
But, if you are from New England, then when you say y'all there will obviously be a very different accent. I cannot recall hearing John Kennedy ever say y'all but do try to envision that. RB who is always amazed by how different accents can be in different parts of the USA On 28/11/2014

Re: [MBZ] FW: Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
But, if you are from New England, then when you say y'all there will obviously be a very different accent. I cannot recall hearing John Kennedy ever say y'all but do try to envision that. RB who is always amazed by how different accents can be in different parts of the USA JFK (and FDR for

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I guess I'm a Northerner by birth, but proper manners and respect for others was alway expected in my house. Same for my kids. In fact, even when they were young I often got compliments on their manners. When they would challenge us about it as compared to how their friends might conduct

Re: [MBZ] Manners

2014-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Despite the fact that I almost** always open the car door for my wife and wait until she is seated and then close the door for her, I have noticed that neither of my sons does this for their respective wives. It seems such a minimal courtesy that I do it without really even thinking about it.

Re: [MBZ] FW: Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
RB and You All.Around here, the accent would probably sound like Yawl. The kind of boat that has the rear mast South' of the rudder. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:56:21 -0600 From: rbenn...@bennell.ca To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject:

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Isn't that y'all? ' for the missing ou?;) Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:46:51 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Isn't that y'all? ' for the missing ou?;) Yes it is. Grant just mis-typed it. Craig Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To:

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Actually, I typed it with the Southern phonetic inflection... Yah... All... Which loses something very regional when taken in by a Damn Yankee... ;))) So.. I suppose, being the victor in the War of Northern Aggression ... Yah All damn yahkees can say it any way y'all want.. hahaha.. All in good

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
And Ma'am for Madam - the ' for the missing D? ;) Wilton, Southern born, bred and raised; even a Southern state-supported university education (plus lotsa other). Lost mosta my Suthernspeak probably 60+ years ago, but can still throw in a word or two occasionally; can even Yankiespeak

[MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
It was fine for a week but it's cooling system started rearing it's ugly head again! Hahaha. Ok so I can't get the lower rad hose to warm up even when upper hose is hot- engine is running hot at this point with coolant boiling out of rad neck. Shouldn't lower hose be hot instead of stone cold

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving!

2014-11-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Zackly - it all starts on Mommy's and Daddy's laps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving! I guess I'm a

[MBZ] Is Your 722.6 Transmission Worn Out?

2014-11-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Great way to tell with the DAS software http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2212242-handy-way-determine-how-worn-out.html#post10709594 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I ride the DC Metro (subway) daily during AM and PM rush hours, when seats are at a premium. Since I am a Senior Citizen by the numbers - though not decrepit - I don't mind staying seated while younger ladies are standing. My rule, however, is to offer my seat to ANYONE regardless of age or

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It was fine for a week but it's cooling system started rearing it's ugly head again! Hahaha. Ok so I can't get the lower rad hose to warm up even when upper hose is hot- engine is running hot at this point with coolant boiling out of rad neck. Shouldn't lower hose be hot instead of stone cold

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:13:32 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd try running it with the thermostat out and the radiator blocked. won't warm up much in extreme cold, but upper, lower and heater hoses should all be the same temperature. Rust or a rag stuffed in

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Yes, the joys of yorkiedom. Ya hafta take the bleedin bracket off, or at least completely loose. If its not bleedin when you start, generally your hands will be bleedin by the time you get it loose. I don't hate york compressors per se, i just despise the bracket that was used to mount

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
And make sure you have a proper Benz thermostat, there are aftermarkets out there that do not have the flap on the back. Causes poor circulation and overheating every time. I would also check for a collapsed lower hose and good flow through the radiator -- if the tubes are full of crap,

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
If I force the thermostat open, how is is different from leaving it out altogether? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:13:32 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd try running

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
It is not an OE tstat. The rad seems to have good flow and I don't see any scale rust etc in the tubes. I went through the motions of burping it but I'm not sure if it made a difference. I'm thinking about putting it all back together and testing the coolant with one of those combustion gas

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I'd be inclined to suspect the thermostat or a plugged radiator before messing with the water pump. If you pull the lower radiator hose and dump water in the top, it should flow out with ease. The thermostat is unlike US designs. In the full cold position it blocks flow to the radiator but

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
In my experience (with 617s) burping is critical to coolant flow. In the old days. I jacked the front end to get the air out. When I got smarter, I learned that you can disconnect the top radiator hose at the radiator, fill the system through that hose, then reconnect the hose. Using that

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It is not an OE tstat. Bingo! Buy the correct thermostat and a new oring from a stealer. That is not the place to go cheap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I'd be inclined to suspect the thermostat or a plugged radiator before messing with the water pump. If you pull the lower radiator hose and dump water in the top, it should flow out with ease. The thermostat is unlike US designs. In the full cold position it blocks flow to the radiator but

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I’ll be home late Sunday night. If you need the truck, call Meg and she’ll give you a key. Jon PS: Order the T-stat now so you have it Monday On Nov 28, 2014, at 4:17 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is not an OE tstat. The rad seems to have good flow

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
This reminds me of a joke:A lady walks up to a farmer, gestures to some animals and asks You know, I was looking at your cows and I notice some of your cows have horns and some don't, why is that? The farmer replies Its true, some of my cows do have horns and some don't but the reason that

[MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎  Original Message   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:58 PM To: Dimitri Seretakis; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D I love to shame them by evacuating my perch for someone who may very well

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
I noticed that, too, the several times I've ridden the DC Metro. Too many people just seem to not give a damned about anything but themselves. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yep, I thought of Vinnie immediately - a goodun - youtts. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's

Re: [MBZ] Manners

2014-11-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
RB wrote: Despite the fact that I almost** always open the car door for my wife and wait until she is seated and then close the door for her... We have all deleted this message. We can't do that - we can't let anyone around us read this. What are you trying to accomplish? Ruination? ...very

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
People are very guarded too. Don't want to chat up strangers. Still, the Metro is pretty amazing and all in all quite dependable, despite what one reads... On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:51 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I noticed that, too, the several times I've ridden the DC Metro. Too

Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Don't go there. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, I thought of Vinnie immediately - a goodun - youtts. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That was for Rick, not Wilton, who can go anywhere he darn well pleases., and no one will be offended. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Don't go there. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, I

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
Folks I'm not much of a grinder man. When i used to sell a lot of coffee, in the 70's on into the late 90's we always served Cafe Bustello. Turn up your nose at it all you want, but it will make you a good cup of espresso or cappuccino. I generally drink cappuccino and am drinking one as a

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Coolant Circuit - Full Load: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/10970d1061647597-240d-getting-warm-figure-1-coolant-circuit.jpg http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/10970d1061647597-240d-getting-warm-figure-1-coolant-circuit.jpg T-stat

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
It's not espresso, but last night our Keurig broke. Its handle had been getting kind of sticky for a year or so. (I don't use it, I don't drink coffee.) Last night a piece of plastic broke off. Today I took it apart, and found that the only problem was that some scale had built up on the cam

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
If I force the thermostat open, how is is different from leaving it out altogether? Without a thermostat, the MB engines essentially won't be cooled. Using an electrical analog, the typical US thermostat design is a SPST switch. The one Mercedes uses is an SPDT switch. If you leave it out

Re: [MBZ] OT - Linebacker II and 1812 Overture

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I wonder which musical instrument is used to make the anvil sound in the Anvil Chorus? It was played a lot before WW-2. An anvil? That's what I've brought to our community band for use on the Blacksmith's Song in the Holst. Sounds way better than the brake drum they had been using. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT - Linebacker II and 1812 Overture

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Nothing like an outdoor 1812 with howitzers supplied by the National Guard. Experienced that once in Jackson Hole. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
i don't care for the keurigs because they make coffee in the little plastic cups which may be toxic and DO fill up the landfills I was hoping my wife would use it rather than drive to Starbucks all the time. A vain hope, as it turns out. It gets used at parties, where people can get a

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Folks I'm not much of a grinder man. When i used to sell a lot of coffee, in the 70's on into the late 90's we always served Cafe Bustello. Turn up your nose at it all you want, but it will

[MBZ] Frankenheap

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Did I mention that it is back on the road again? Insurance all settled out, mechanics all sorted out. This, though, is probably its last year: the rear doors are starting to sag, and don't close without lifting. I think the tinworm has weakened the spine of the car enough that maybe I should

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
There was quite the row earlier this year over Keurig coming out with a new design of the little plastic cups that would have an RFID chip or something in them that would prevent people from using non-Keurig cups in their machines. I suspect this was a response to the third party stuff on the

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I agree that it behaves as if there is a physical block preventing coolant from circulating but let's say a blown headgasket or crack in head is pushing exhaust gases into cooling system- will this not cause the water pump to get air locked and no longer be able to pump? With blown headgasket

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
There are reusable filters for use with keurig machines, compost the grounds for zero waste. Overall a French press makes much better coffee for less cost, fewer questionable ingredients (what's in the k-cup anyway?) and only slightly more time. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
So you are only blocking the top of the thermostat with the shell casing? So now where do I get a shell casing?:) The wax pellet, expanding with heat, pushes out the rod, thus driving the two plates to open/close their respective passages. I just use something to hold the thing open that can't

Re: [MBZ] Espresso machine

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
There are reusable filters for use with keurig machines, compost the grounds for zero waste. We have two, they don't get much use. Overall a French press makes much better coffee for less cost, fewer questionable ingredients (what's in the k-cup anyway?) and only slightly more time.

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A short piece of brake line would work too. My '81 300TD had no thermostat when I got it. Interestingly it would run fine for up to around half an hour before it would overheat unless you shut it off. If shut off and restarted it would rapidly overheat. If I left it overnight it would be fine

Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things

Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap

2014-11-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
That's good to hear! Might I suggest that you spray the heck out of the underbody parts exhibiting rust and body cavities with Fluid Film. It is an excellent rust inhibitor! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Did I mention

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
So as some of you know, I have a spare head acquired at Chowdah Q. I think it came from a later 240D. The later ones took the 12 point headbolts which stretch. If I were to recondition this later head and put it on the 78 240D which takes earlier style hex bolts, will it fit? Reading the

Re: [MBZ] OT - Linebacker II and 1812 Overture

2014-11-28 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
How about the real thing from the US Army Artillery and Missile school at Ft. Sill? My ears are still ringing, 50+ years later. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing like an outdoor 1812 with howitzers supplied by the National Guard.

Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Another possibility that you should be able to find in the archives (if we still have one) is that some have found corrosion/pitting in the groves that the t-stats seats in when it opens-closes. No seal, and it's like the t-stat isn't there. I don't remember which engine was experiencing this.

Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D

2014-11-28 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I believe that it is a problem that every generation has had to deal with. It's the nature of the beast - some of us are defective, and it will always be so. Which ones are defective is subject to individual interpretation however . . . On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Is Your 722.6 Transmission Worn Out?

2014-11-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:25:47 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Great way to tell with the DAS software http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2212242-handy-way-determine-how-worn-out.html#post10709594 Interesting! Craig

Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Might I suggest that you spray the heck out of the underbody parts exhibiting rust and body cavities with Fluid Film. It is an excellent rust inhibitor! The new budget for this on-its-last-legs car is zero. I might spray some used 15W40 under there. Or not. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] TV options

2014-11-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Would a normal person notice a difference between 720p and 1080p tellys in the 24 to 32 range? I am assuming over the air programs are not of a quality that you would notice the difference, but with a HD DVD movie, perhaps you might notice? Just wondering if it is worth spending extra $$

Re: [MBZ] TV options

2014-11-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
  Original Message   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:17 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curly McLain Subject: Re: [MBZ] TV options ‎  I am assuming  over the air programs  are not of a quality that you would notice the difference, but with a  HD DVD

Re: [MBZ] TV options

2014-11-28 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Well, when I was shopping for tellys at Best Buy a couple weeks back, they had the 720 and 1080 side by side, and you could definitely tell the difference. Wound up getting an open box 24 Insignia 1080 job for $80 (nice picture!), so if you're near a BB, stop by in person. They usually have some