Re: [MBZ] Ceramic brakes Wuz:This is bad
I think organic is a euphemism for ASBESTOS. On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Are they free-range, renewable, ethically-produced pads? Not all organic > is equal! > > --R > > > > On 8/8/15 1:02 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: > >> FWIW: I have never had ceramic pads on an MB. ALL stop well, no >> problems with fade, etc with the cheap or midrange pads. The very cheapest >> pads are ok, they just make your wheels dirtier. Midrange are a little >> less dirty for the wheels. >> >> OE on the MBs were organic or asbestos, depending on age. (pre 1990 MBs) >> OE on the dogde were ceramic, so I used ceramic there. >> >> >> >> DO you want or care about clean wheels? >> >> Ceramic will keep your wheels cleaner. I've had very good luck with >> cheap pads from oreely. They do make your wheels dirty. I just clean and >> paint the wheels every few years with a rattlecan. Unless you are driving >> on a race track, the cheap (organic) pads work very well. If you plan to >> drag the brakes all the way down a mountain, they may fade, but I never >> have any problem. >> >> Ceramic on the dogde van: The anti skid accelerometer has been fubar >> mostly since we got the van. Most of the time the system turns itself off, >> but sometimes the LF brake drags. this ruins the discs and pads. About 18 >> months ago I put new pads and rotors on; did the ceramic pad breakin stuff; >> and they were wonderful. >> >> Unfortunately, i never figured out how to snip the purple wire somewhere >> buried under the console that is said to disable the antiskid system. So >> the new rotors and pads are ruined. I recently dug in to the console >> innards and found the accelerometer. I never found the purple wire, but I >> unplugged the accelerometer, with the same effect. Anti skid is now dead. >> There are 2 fuses you can pull to disable, but it also kills the >> speedometer, odometer and some other somewhat necessary systems. This is >> all not really the fault of ceramic pads, but i don't think the cheap pads >> would cause the rotor warping like these did. >> >> The whole deal of the special breakin procedure for the ceramic pads is >> related to not warping the rotors and putting a glaze on the ceramic pad. >> >> >> How do organic pads compare to ceramic? >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> '87 300TD >>> '95 E300 >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic brakes Wuz:This is bad
Are they free-range, renewable, ethically-produced pads? Not all organic is equal! --R On 8/8/15 1:02 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: FWIW: I have never had ceramic pads on an MB. ALL stop well, no problems with fade, etc with the cheap or midrange pads. The very cheapest pads are ok, they just make your wheels dirtier. Midrange are a little less dirty for the wheels. OE on the MBs were organic or asbestos, depending on age. (pre 1990 MBs) OE on the dogde were ceramic, so I used ceramic there. DO you want or care about clean wheels? Ceramic will keep your wheels cleaner. I've had very good luck with cheap pads from oreely. They do make your wheels dirty. I just clean and paint the wheels every few years with a rattlecan. Unless you are driving on a race track, the cheap (organic) pads work very well. If you plan to drag the brakes all the way down a mountain, they may fade, but I never have any problem. Ceramic on the dogde van: The anti skid accelerometer has been fubar mostly since we got the van. Most of the time the system turns itself off, but sometimes the LF brake drags. this ruins the discs and pads. About 18 months ago I put new pads and rotors on; did the ceramic pad breakin stuff; and they were wonderful. Unfortunately, i never figured out how to snip the purple wire somewhere buried under the console that is said to disable the antiskid system. So the new rotors and pads are ruined. I recently dug in to the console innards and found the accelerometer. I never found the purple wire, but I unplugged the accelerometer, with the same effect. Anti skid is now dead. There are 2 fuses you can pull to disable, but it also kills the speedometer, odometer and some other somewhat necessary systems. This is all not really the fault of ceramic pads, but i don't think the cheap pads would cause the rotor warping like these did. The whole deal of the special breakin procedure for the ceramic pads is related to not warping the rotors and putting a glaze on the ceramic pad. How do organic pads compare to ceramic? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic brakes Wuz:This is bad
There’s no special break-in process for ceramic pads that I know of. You bed them in just like you would a set of organic pads, and that’s it. I’ve used ceramic pads on the last three cars I’ve owned, and not only do they keep the wheels a lot cleaner, they last longer, too. I just bought a set of domestic name brand (Wagner?) organic pads for the 1998 S420 from Rock Auto on closeout. A whopping $6.00. Dan > On Aug 8, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > DO you want or care about clean wheels? > > Ceramic will keep your wheels cleaner. I've had very good luck with cheap > pads from oreely. They do make your wheels dirty. I just clean and paint > the wheels every few years with a rattlecan. Unless you are driving on a > race track, the cheap (organic) pads work very well. If you plan to drag the > brakes all the way down a mountain, they may fade, but I never have any > problem. > > Ceramic on the dogde van: The anti skid accelerometer has been fubar mostly > since we got the van. Most of the time the system turns itself off, but > sometimes the LF brake drags. this ruins the discs and pads. About 18 > months ago I put new pads and rotors on; did the ceramic pad breakin stuff; > and they were wonderful. > > Unfortunately, i never figured out how to snip the purple wire somewhere > buried under the console that is said to disable the antiskid system. So the > new rotors and pads are ruined. I recently dug in to the console innards and > found the accelerometer. I never found the purple wire, but I unplugged the > accelerometer, with the same effect. Anti skid is now dead. There are 2 > fuses you can pull to disable, but it also kills the speedometer, odometer > and some other somewhat necessary systems. This is all not really the fault > of ceramic pads, but i don't think the cheap pads would cause the rotor > warping like these did. > > The whole deal of the special breakin procedure for the ceramic pads is > related to not warping the rotors and putting a glaze on the ceramic pad. > > >> How do organic pads compare to ceramic? >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD >> '95 E300 >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ceramic brakes Wuz:This is bad
FWIW: I have never had ceramic pads on an MB. ALL stop well, no problems with fade, etc with the cheap or midrange pads. The very cheapest pads are ok, they just make your wheels dirtier. Midrange are a little less dirty for the wheels. OE on the MBs were organic or asbestos, depending on age. (pre 1990 MBs) OE on the dogde were ceramic, so I used ceramic there. DO you want or care about clean wheels? Ceramic will keep your wheels cleaner. I've had very good luck with cheap pads from oreely. They do make your wheels dirty. I just clean and paint the wheels every few years with a rattlecan. Unless you are driving on a race track, the cheap (organic) pads work very well. If you plan to drag the brakes all the way down a mountain, they may fade, but I never have any problem. Ceramic on the dogde van: The anti skid accelerometer has been fubar mostly since we got the van. Most of the time the system turns itself off, but sometimes the LF brake drags. this ruins the discs and pads. About 18 months ago I put new pads and rotors on; did the ceramic pad breakin stuff; and they were wonderful. Unfortunately, i never figured out how to snip the purple wire somewhere buried under the console that is said to disable the antiskid system. So the new rotors and pads are ruined. I recently dug in to the console innards and found the accelerometer. I never found the purple wire, but I unplugged the accelerometer, with the same effect. Anti skid is now dead. There are 2 fuses you can pull to disable, but it also kills the speedometer, odometer and some other somewhat necessary systems. This is all not really the fault of ceramic pads, but i don't think the cheap pads would cause the rotor warping like these did. The whole deal of the special breakin procedure for the ceramic pads is related to not warping the rotors and putting a glaze on the ceramic pad. How do organic pads compare to ceramic? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ceramic brakes Wuz:This is bad
DO you want or care about clean wheels? Ceramic will keep your wheels cleaner. I've had very good luck with cheap pads from oreely. They do make your wheels dirty. I just clean and paint the wheels every few years with a rattlecan. Unless you are driving on a race track, the cheap (organic) pads work very well. If you plan to drag the brakes all the way down a mountain, they may fade, but I never have any problem. Ceramic on the dogde van: The anti skid accelerometer has been fubar mostly since we got the van. Most of the time the system turns itself off, but sometimes the LF brake drags. this ruins the discs and pads. About 18 months ago I put new pads and rotors on; did the ceramic pad breakin stuff; and they were wonderful. Unfortunately, i never figured out how to snip the purple wire somewhere buried under the console that is said to disable the antiskid system. So the new rotors and pads are ruined. I recently dug in to the console innards and found the accelerometer. I never found the purple wire, but I unplugged the accelerometer, with the same effect. Anti skid is now dead. There are 2 fuses you can pull to disable, but it also kills the speedometer, odometer and some other somewhat necessary systems. This is all not really the fault of ceramic pads, but i don't think the cheap pads would cause the rotor warping like these did. The whole deal of the special breakin procedure for the ceramic pads is related to not warping the rotors and putting a glaze on the ceramic pad. How do organic pads compare to ceramic? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
