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Yes, I thought a tiered approach to both drivers license and vehicle
rating would be good. Vehicles and drivers with exceptionally good
avoidance characteristics would be allowed higher speeds.
Particularly
, 2010 10:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
Weren't those called necking (k)nobs so you could put one arm around
yo lady and steer with one hand on the knob?
--R
OK Don wrote:
Remember the knobs on the steering wheels before power steering
I thought that was the point of the freon tube on the A/C wheel?
That's not what makes it automatic, though that is an automatic
feature. If it can't switch from heating to cooling on its own,
and back, it's not ACC.
So, if it's not evil ACC does that mean I could have repaired it
somehow?
there was some story
about him and a young lady...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:34:20 -0500
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
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of exposure while
riding) makes you a better driver...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:26:26 -0600
From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
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Curt Raymond wrote:
I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a
better driver...
Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested that you could
decrease automotive deaths and greatly decrease crashes if you mandated a steel
spike in the center of
when they realize I drive a rear
wheel drive car with no traction control all winter. I've been out in some
humdinger storms too...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:01:23 -0600
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
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FWIW, the traction control on my Crown Vic is pretty much useless. I turn it
off when I'm on slippery surfaces.
Dan
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
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I agree with Curt. I know nothing about traction control
electronics gizmos. I know a 240D can run all winter in some really
nasty weather and be just fine. (and a 126 is probably better other
than the stupid automatic transmission) The manual dual heater
controls in the 240D help keep the
completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116)
I didn't think 115 had any ACC.
The 107 and 123 have the dubious distinction of having had
all three generations of HVAC system in them.
-- Jim
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116)
I didn't think 115 had any ACC.
My '74 240D had a confusing arrangement of two-by-two parallel slides,
each of which did something I think, for the heater, plus of
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years.
completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116)
I didn't think 115 had any ACC.
The 107 and 123 have the dubious distinction of having had
all three generations of HVAC system in them.
-- Jim
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ACC1 was the moronic chrysler ACC servo
ACC II came out in 1985 or so
The coonfusing arrangement was simple. Top was left heat and right heat.
bottom was inside air or outside air and up or down. Switch in the
middle was fan speed
It was as near bulletproff as any heater can be.
The
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years.
Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76?
-- Jim
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I thought that was ACCI?
The A stands for automatic. Was it automatic?
-- Jim
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The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving,
and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk,
but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited
to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again.
-Max
: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving,
and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk,
but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited
to pass once she put her phone down
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes
you a better driver...
Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested that you
could decrease automotive deaths and greatly decrease
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving,
and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk,
but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited
to pass once she put her
of stupidly big vehicles.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:27:49 -0500
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
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to improve my odds vs. the drunk
drivers.
-Max
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the poor driving, but I think it would help.
-Max
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I like
A friend was on the Stono bridge last week and almost got hit in the
side by a guy in the other lane texting and drifting. At one point he
almost ran up on the sidewalk on the bridge.
--R
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
The other day leaving work, I was behind a
Remember the knobs on the steering wheels before power steering? Much the
same effect as a spike. No effect on driving behavior.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you
Exactly, and no, the climate control was not automatic.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years.
Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76?
-- Jim
--
OK Don
Panic! (the national past time).
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes
you a better driver...
Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested
yep, and it was manual ac
Jim Cathey wrote:
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years.
Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76?
-- Jim
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Maybe so, but the one 76 115 300D I junked out had a heavily corroded
chrysler ACC servo in it. I don't know how many had it, but maybe it
was an option on the cheap 115 chassis.
No, it was not a retrofit. NOBODY in their right mind, or nobody who
is insane, would put one of those things
Weren't those called necking (k)nobs so you could put one arm around
yo lady and steer with one hand on the knob?
--R
OK Don wrote:
Remember the knobs on the steering wheels before power steering? Much the
same effect as a spike. No effect on driving behavior.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:06
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
I thought that was ACCI?
The A stands for automatic. Was it automatic?
I thought that was the point of the freon tube on the A/C wheel?
To be fair the whole thing was probably more confusing than it should
have been
repairable, yes, but if the problem was the heater fan motor, not the
switch, that is a PITA. Everything else is simple.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
I thought that was ACCI?
The A stands for automatic. Was it automatic?
I thought that
The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be resurrected;
mandated traction control has seen to it.
Consider the 98 w210.025's were fly-by wire, and look at the number of
issues with them. It can be done right, but it cannot be done right
when someone tries to cut every last cent
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:51 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be
resurrected;mandated
traction control has seen to it.
Ridiculous. The two have nothing to do with each other, though car
company accountants and marketeers would
How does one go about engine power reduction without having emissions
violations when the accelerator is mechanical?
I'm a compression ignition sort, but in efi gassers, doesn't the
linkage go to a butterfly valve in the intake, and the ecu adjusts the
mixture per sensory inputs so as to
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing
based on competence for software engineers. Anyone who has worked in
Funny you should mention it, but in NC advertising the term engineer
is
John Reames wrote:
How does one go about engine power reduction without having emissions
violations when the accelerator is mechanical?
With my Achieva, it retards the timing. I don't even notice it, I'm too busy
modulating the throttle to keep the tires lightly spinning in snow, then I look
Ah... Distributorless ignition?
Does it have a cable that physically connects to a valve in the air
intake?
(My E300 has a cable, but it is connected to a sensor, likely a pair
of redundant hall-effect sensors (as compared to a flimsy
potentiometer... I will have to get a piccy
John Reames wrote:
Ah... Distributorless ignition?
Yeah, I've got the 2.4L Twin Cam, sort of an upgraded Quad Four, with the Q-4's
ignition coil roasting system. Throttle body is normal, with a cable to the foot
pedal. Intake manifold is plastic, and now the thing refuses to idle below
Speaking of Toyotas and the engineering/construction decisions - you have to
keep all of it in perspective:
According to various reports, 19 deaths have been associated with Toyota's
gas pedal problem over the past decade. But over the same decade, a total of
21,110 people have been killed in
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing
based on competence for software engineers. Anyone who has worked in
Funny you
You know, that is really interesting. Around here some forces are
trying to build a new road. They keep saying there is a problem with the
existing roads -- the roads are dangerous. But if you look at crash
and death data, the injuries and crashes and fatalities are due to
inattentive
If you follow the money, I think you'll find that dangerous is a smoke
screen - someone will gain considerable money form the new road.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
You know, that is really interesting. Around here some forces are
--R wrote:
But if you look at crash and death
data, the injuries and crashes and fatalities are due to inattentive
driving, tailgating, drunkeness, and other stupid behaviors.
I don't think that there is any way of getting rid of stupid.
Perhaps a driver license should not be such a rite of
AND NONE of this prevents a plain old fashioned key switch or big red
button emergency kill switch to shut down the whole freakin
electronic mess when it goes whacko
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:51 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to
OK Don wrote:
Speaking of Toyotas and the engineering/construction decisions - you have to
keep all of it in perspective:
According to various reports, 19 deaths have been associated with Toyota's
gas pedal problem over the past decade.
I think the total was recently 34, with 13 having been
OK Don wrote:
Almost none of these deaths had anything to do with technology, faulty or
otherwise. Almost all of them were the result of driver behavior.
http://www.slate.com/id/2244929/?from=rss
Regulators Hired by Toyota Helped Halt Investigations
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators
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On Behalf Of Tim C
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm much more interested in seeing some
Well, yeah, that too, but the smoke is what is being blown up
everyone's, uh, noses. Can't see the forest for the smoke, or the trees
for the fire, or something like that, so you have to blow your own smoke.
--R (community agitator, I hear there might be a future in that?)
OK Don wrote:
If
Yeah, I agree -- too many people out there who do not really have
appropriate driving skills.
My sister had to get a German driver's license on their last tour
over there (90 - 93) -- took twice through driving school and three
tries, and she is a pretty good driver.
However, since we
All you need for throttle reduction (and fuel cutoff works almost as
well) is the spring loaded system MB used in the W126. Mehcanical
throttle with a servo that can push it shut against a sprung rod,
works pretty well. Since it only closes the throttle, it cannot
stick open.
There are
Mitch, Thanks for posting facts!
Regulators Hired by Toyota Helped Halt Investigations
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp.
helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended
acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off
possible
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes:
Too many drivers on the road that don't need to be there, plus, they
have no attention being given to actual driving, on the whole.
Recent crash reported in the local paper, 19 year old girl driving a
Ford Focus crossed left of center and hit a Dodge
To add to the prior post, the article below was also sent out by ASQ
(American Society for Quality)
Friends don't let friends drive toadas You stand a good chance of
ending up incinerated. It was sickening to hear about a bright
outgoing 20 year old girl being incinerated so badly that it
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