Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-18 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Yes, I thought a tiered approach to both drivers license and vehicle rating would be good. Vehicles and drivers with exceptionally good avoidance characteristics would be allowed higher speeds. Particularly

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-18 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
, 2010 10:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Weren't those called necking (k)nobs so you could put one arm around yo lady and steer with one hand on the knob? --R OK Don wrote: Remember the knobs on the steering wheels before power steering

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-18 Thread Jim Cathey
I thought that was the point of the freon tube on the A/C wheel? That's not what makes it automatic, though that is an automatic feature. If it can't switch from heating to cooling on its own, and back, it's not ACC. So, if it's not evil ACC does that mean I could have repaired it somehow?

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-18 Thread Curt Raymond
there was some story about him and a young lady...   -Curt   Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:34:20 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310     meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond
of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:26:26 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID:     3485b4231002161926m6e7fd705k2f37779308a3

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested that you could decrease automotive deaths and greatly decrease crashes if you mandated a steel spike in the center of

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond
when they realize I drive a rear wheel drive car with no traction control all winter. I've been out in some humdinger storms too... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:01:23 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread LWB250
FWIW, the traction control on my Crown Vic is pretty much useless. I turn it off when I'm on slippery surfaces. Dan --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada To: Diesel List

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dieselhead
I agree with Curt. I know nothing about traction control electronics gizmos. I know a 240D can run all winter in some really nasty weather and be just fine. (and a 126 is probably better other than the stupid automatic transmission) The manual dual heater controls in the 240D help keep the

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Jim Cathey
completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. The 107 and 123 have the dubious distinction of having had all three generations of HVAC system in them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. My '74 240D had a confusing arrangement of two-by-two parallel slides, each of which did something I think, for the heater, plus of

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dieselhead
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years. completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. The 107 and 123 have the dubious distinction of having had all three generations of HVAC system in them. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dieselhead
ACC1 was the moronic chrysler ACC servo ACC II came out in 1985 or so The coonfusing arrangement was simple. Top was left heat and right heat. bottom was inside air or outside air and up or down. Switch in the middle was fan speed It was as near bulletproff as any heater can be. The

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Jim Cathey
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years. Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Jim Cathey
I thought that was ACCI? The A stands for automatic. Was it automatic? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again. -Max

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread WILTON
: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Curt Raymond wrote: I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested that you could decrease automotive deaths and greatly decrease

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond
of stupidly big vehicles. -Curt Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:27:49 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310     meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
to improve my odds vs. the drunk drivers. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
the poor driving, but I think it would help. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:23 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada I like

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Rich Thomas
A friend was on the Stono bridge last week and almost got hit in the side by a guy in the other lane texting and drifting. At one point he almost ran up on the sidewalk on the bridge. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: The other day leaving work, I was behind a

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread OK Don
Remember the knobs on the steering wheels before power steering? Much the same effect as a spike. No effect on driving behavior. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread OK Don
Exactly, and no, the climate control was not automatic. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years. Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76? -- Jim -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time).

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Loren Faeth
: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Curt Raymond wrote: I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yep, and it was manual ac Jim Cathey wrote: The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years. Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dieselhead
Maybe so, but the one 76 115 300D I junked out had a heavily corroded chrysler ACC servo in it. I don't know how many had it, but maybe it was an option on the cheap 115 chassis. No, it was not a retrofit. NOBODY in their right mind, or nobody who is insane, would put one of those things

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Rich Thomas
Weren't those called necking (k)nobs so you could put one arm around yo lady and steer with one hand on the knob? --R OK Don wrote: Remember the knobs on the steering wheels before power steering? Much the same effect as a spike. No effect on driving behavior. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:06

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I thought that was ACCI? The A stands for automatic.  Was it automatic? I thought that was the point of the freon tube on the A/C wheel? To be fair the whole thing was probably more confusing than it should have been

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-17 Thread Dieselhead
repairable, yes, but if the problem was the heater fan motor, not the switch, that is a PITA. Everything else is simple. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I thought that was ACCI? The A stands for automatic. Was it automatic? I thought that

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread John Reames
The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be resurrected; mandated traction control has seen to it. Consider the 98 w210.025's were fly-by wire, and look at the number of issues with them. It can be done right, but it cannot be done right when someone tries to cut every last cent

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:51 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be resurrected;mandated traction control has seen to it. Ridiculous. The two have nothing to do with each other, though car company accountants and marketeers would

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread John Reames
How does one go about engine power reduction without having emissions violations when the accelerator is mechanical? I'm a compression ignition sort, but in efi gassers, doesn't the linkage go to a butterfly valve in the intake, and the ecu adjusts the mixture per sensory inputs so as to

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Tim C
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing based on competence for software engineers.  Anyone who has worked in Funny you should mention it, but in NC advertising the term engineer is

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Mitch Haley
John Reames wrote: How does one go about engine power reduction without having emissions violations when the accelerator is mechanical? With my Achieva, it retards the timing. I don't even notice it, I'm too busy modulating the throttle to keep the tires lightly spinning in snow, then I look

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread John Reames
Ah... Distributorless ignition? Does it have a cable that physically connects to a valve in the air intake? (My E300 has a cable, but it is connected to a sensor, likely a pair of redundant hall-effect sensors (as compared to a flimsy potentiometer... I will have to get a piccy

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Mitch Haley
John Reames wrote: Ah... Distributorless ignition? Yeah, I've got the 2.4L Twin Cam, sort of an upgraded Quad Four, with the Q-4's ignition coil roasting system. Throttle body is normal, with a cable to the foot pedal. Intake manifold is plastic, and now the thing refuses to idle below

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread OK Don
Speaking of Toyotas and the engineering/construction decisions - you have to keep all of it in perspective: According to various reports, 19 deaths have been associated with Toyota's gas pedal problem over the past decade. But over the same decade, a total of 21,110 people have been killed in

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing based on competence for software engineers.  Anyone who has worked in Funny you

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Rich Thomas
You know, that is really interesting. Around here some forces are trying to build a new road. They keep saying there is a problem with the existing roads -- the roads are dangerous. But if you look at crash and death data, the injuries and crashes and fatalities are due to inattentive

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread OK Don
If you follow the money, I think you'll find that dangerous is a smoke screen - someone will gain considerable money form the new road. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You know, that is really interesting. Around here some forces are

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: But if you look at crash and death data, the injuries and crashes and fatalities are due to inattentive driving, tailgating, drunkeness, and other stupid behaviors. I don't think that there is any way of getting rid of stupid. Perhaps a driver license should not be such a rite of

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Loren Faeth
AND NONE of this prevents a plain old fashioned key switch or big red button emergency kill switch to shut down the whole freakin electronic mess when it goes whacko On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:51 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: Speaking of Toyotas and the engineering/construction decisions - you have to keep all of it in perspective: According to various reports, 19 deaths have been associated with Toyota's gas pedal problem over the past decade. I think the total was recently 34, with 13 having been

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: Almost none of these deaths had anything to do with technology, faulty or otherwise. Almost all of them were the result of driver behavior. http://www.slate.com/id/2244929/?from=rss Regulators Hired by Toyota Helped Halt Investigations Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Rich Thomas
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm much more interested in seeing some

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, yeah, that too, but the smoke is what is being blown up everyone's, uh, noses. Can't see the forest for the smoke, or the trees for the fire, or something like that, so you have to blow your own smoke. --R (community agitator, I hear there might be a future in that?) OK Don wrote: If

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Peter Frederick
Yeah, I agree -- too many people out there who do not really have appropriate driving skills. My sister had to get a German driver's license on their last tour over there (90 - 93) -- took twice through driving school and three tries, and she is a pretty good driver. However, since we

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Peter Frederick
All you need for throttle reduction (and fuel cutoff works almost as well) is the spring loaded system MB used in the W126. Mehcanical throttle with a servo that can push it shut against a sprung rod, works pretty well. Since it only closes the throttle, it cannot stick open. There are

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Dieselhead
Mitch, Thanks for posting facts! Regulators Hired by Toyota Helped Halt Investigations Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible

Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-16 Thread Allan Streib
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Too many drivers on the road that don't need to be there, plus, they have no attention being given to actual driving, on the whole. Recent crash reported in the local paper, 19 year old girl driving a Ford Focus crossed left of center and hit a Dodge

[MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

2010-02-15 Thread Loren Faeth
To add to the prior post, the article below was also sent out by ASQ (American Society for Quality) Friends don't let friends drive toadas You stand a good chance of ending up incinerated. It was sickening to hear about a bright outgoing 20 year old girl being incinerated so badly that it