subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] Arctic\-Q...\?"


Kevin wrote:

I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.
  


The easy fix for that is reducing transmit power, if your radio allows 
it.  If not, use a crappier antenna.  Most CB 'rubber duck' antennas put 
out more heat than RF power anyway. ;)


Unfortunately, CBs are marketed to people who don't understand radios at 
all, so most of them are just plain junk.  Receiver overloading in the 
presence of strong signals is one sign of a poor design.  A lot of 
people also have their CBs peaked and tuned to (illegally) get more 
output power, with unknown consequences for the quality of the signal.  
There's more to getting a good signal out than tuning for maximum smoke.

Stick to GMRS or FRS.


I've used FRS in caravans and found it kind of frustrating.  They have 
the same problem CB does -- they're marketed to people who don't know 
radios, so they tend to be poor quality designs.  The audio output is 
usually insufficient to be heard over road noise without holding the 
radio to your ear.  The range is so short that if one person in the 
caravan breaks down, they have less than a minute to make themselves 
heard before everyone gets out of range.  Finally, everyone's started 
giving FRS radios to their kids as walkie talkies, so right when you 
need to use it there's usually some five-year-old on the channel singing 
the alphabet song.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


redghost wrote:
Good Lord!  Imagine the onboard genset to power that 1500 watt radio.  
And the ANTENNA would be whipping the tar out of everybody for about 
100 feet around as you drive by
  


Not many people run full legal power from a mobile radio.  VHF radios in 
the 40-60 watt range are quite compact and, with a decent antenna, will 
give you five miles or so of range to another car, or considerably more 
to a well-situated repeater.  At those frequencies increasing the 
transmitter power only helps you so much, because the earth's curvature 
eventually gets in the way.


David Brodbeck (N8SRE)

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


dave walton wrote:

Do they still require you to know Morse Code to get a license?
  


No Morse Code test is required for using amateur bands above 50 MHz -- 
which is all you really need for talking from car to car.  The shortwave 
bands still have a 5 wpm requirement, mostly because it's currently 
required by international treaties.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


Oh we got that covered.

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


More sponsorship contenders:

Mobil 1 oil
PIAA lighting
Interstate batteries
The MB dealerships in Canada
Craftsman  Mastercraft tools

We'd need some sort of list-members logo too in decal form for each car.

If Michelin sponsors, do I get a rebate on the X-Ice's I bought last year? ;)

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/8/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mike typed:

Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is.


Ahh...dealerships.
I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So
far I've contacted:
Hella
PPG
M1
Bilstien
Bosch
Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.

Bob Rrentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Lee Levitt

Philip writes:
 
 The Uniden Pro510, and it's three-knob brother the Pro520, 
 are probably the best of the small, cheap radios. Even the 
 mics are fair quality.
 
 Sure, you can spend more money and get more features and more 
 lights - but they sure build those two tough! I know of more 
 than one that survived multiple years in a cab-over with 
 metal springs.

Yep, and power mikes are readily available for them. I've run the 510 and
520 for years, been very happy with them.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey


radios, so they tend to be poor quality designs.  The audio output is
usually insufficient to be heard over road noise without holding the
radio to your ear.


The CB in the Unimog worked, even floored on the highway with me
wearing shooting muffs.  It was mounted over my head, though.


The range is so short that if one person in the
caravan breaks down, they have less than a minute to make themselves
heard before everyone gets out of range.


That's a real problem with CB too unless you're using a real antenna.
Only the rooftop magnetic mount antennae I've tried haven't given me
a noticeable problem with this when caravanning.  (I've never used an
even better hard-mount whip antenna.)


Finally, everyone's started
giving FRS radios to their kids as walkie talkies, so right when you
need to use it there's usually some five-year-old on the channel 
singing

the alphabet song.


Breaker, breaker.  This here's the rubber duck and he's the one!
He makes bathtime oh so fun...

CB is really attractive now because that's pretty much gone from there.
Avoid the few trucker's channels and you're pretty much alone.  Unless
you run afoul of some souped-up bozo with an echo mike that's splattered
across most of the channels.  I started listening at 1, and moved to 2,
etc.  We use 3 on caravan, and almost _never_ have to move off of it.
To 4, of course.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey

Yep, and power mikes are readily available for them. I've run the 510 
and

520 for years, been very happy with them.


The difference in receiver sensitivity between my Uniden 510 and
the similar-looking Rat Shack CB that I use upstairs (to communicate
with our shooting range at parties, I just take down the handheld
RS CB that I bought years ago) is remarkable.

The Unidens are in the vehicles, the crappy stuff stays home.

I've had a lot of trouble getting two Unidens that work right, but
that's because it turned out that I bought some badly-abused specimens.
One was flooded, another had a cracked PC board.  I've had bad 
aftermarket

echo mikes crap out, and speaker wires have broken.  But I think I've
finally got a set of two or three that are solid.  I'm absolutely
convinced that the radios were not at fault, and that it was abuse
that caused the problems.  Kept buying them, didn't I?

Watch out for what you buy at pawn shops!  (True of everything and
everyplace, really, used or not.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


I thought the point of having a CB was to BE on the trucker channels?

Jim Cathey wrote:


radios, so they tend to be poor quality designs.  The audio output is
usually insufficient to be heard over road noise without holding the
radio to your ear.



The CB in the Unimog worked, even floored on the highway with me
wearing shooting muffs.  It was mounted over my head, though.



The range is so short that if one person in the
caravan breaks down, they have less than a minute to make themselves
heard before everyone gets out of range.



That's a real problem with CB too unless you're using a real antenna.
Only the rooftop magnetic mount antennae I've tried haven't given me
a noticeable problem with this when caravanning.  (I've never used an
even better hard-mount whip antenna.)



Finally, everyone's started
giving FRS radios to their kids as walkie talkies, so right when you
need to use it there's usually some five-year-old on the channel 
singing

the alphabet song.



Breaker, breaker.  This here's the rubber duck and he's the one!
He makes bathtime oh so fun...

CB is really attractive now because that's pretty much gone from there.
Avoid the few trucker's channels and you're pretty much alone.  Unless
you run afoul of some souped-up bozo with an echo mike that's splattered
across most of the channels.  I started listening at 1, and moved to 2,
etc.  We use 3 on caravan, and almost _never_ have to move off of it.
To 4, of course.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro


I'm sending emails or calling each of them.

Got stuff off to Michelin, Mobil (their sponsorship paper work too me 
almost an hour to fill out) today.

MBUSAs webpage was hosing me over..I'm going to actually them tomorrow.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Oh we got that covered.

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


More sponsorship contenders:

Mobil 1 oil
PIAA lighting
Interstate batteries
The MB dealerships in Canada
Craftsman  Mastercraft tools

We'd need some sort of list-members logo too in decal form for each car.

If Michelin sponsors, do I get a rebate on the X-Ice's I bought last 
year? ;)


Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/8/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mike typed:

Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' 
making

the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is.


Ahh...dealerships.
I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So
far I've contacted:
Hella
PPG
M1
Bilstien
Bosch
Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.

Bob Rrentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread OK Don

Not for the technician license. They do require 5wpm for the general
now, but that might go away any month now.

On 12/8/05, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do they still require you to know Morse Code to get a license?

 Thanks

 -Dave Walton
 94 S350, 99 E300

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Mike Canfield

I already have a 7 passenger E350 Diesel conversion van and 35 foot 
tag-a-long camper but at 12mpg i think I'd better leave that rig in the 
StaesLOLOL.Wonder if I could swap with 'em..I do want another 
123 diesel s


Mike
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From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Mike wondered:

Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then.

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on 
our

escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long time
for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C

I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

2005-12-09 Thread John Robbins


Mike Canfield wrote:

Xantrex is about the best I hear.


No clue on their inverters... but they make VERY nice 1.5kW programmable 
DC supplies.  We use them all over the place at work.  1.5kW in 1U by 
the way...


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey


I thought the point of having a CB was to BE on the trucker channels?


Only one of your many fine options!  We were after semi-private
communications.  Basic yakking about inconsequentials, mostly.
Just to while away the time on the road, using cheap reliable quality
lighter-powered gear that's big enough to handle easily without
devoting too much attention to it.  Remember MIB's raging cricket (?)
gun?  Too small!  I've got the same complaint about telephone
handsets these days, whether cellular or not.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

2005-12-09 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:31:32 -0600 John Robbins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No clue on their inverters... but they make VERY nice 1.5kW programmable
 DC supplies.  We use them all over the place at work.  1.5kW in 1U by 
 the way...

1.5 kW in 1U (1.75 high) sounds great.

Where do you work?

What do you do?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

John Robbins wrote:
 No clue on their inverters... but they make VERY nice 1.5kW programmable 
 DC supplies.  We use them all over the place at work.  1.5kW in 1U by 
 the way...

It continues to amaze me what can be done with modern switching
supplies.  I've seen linear supplies with a quarter of that output that
weighed 50 pounds and were *much* larger.  Roughly half the volume (and
probably 90% of the weight) was the transformer.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

2005-12-09 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:03:23 -0800 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It continues to amaze me what can be done with modern switching
 supplies.  I've seen linear supplies with a quarter of that output that
 weighed 50 pounds and were *much* larger.  Roughly half the volume (and
 probably 90% of the weight) was the transformer.

I derived the relationship years ago, but don't remember for sure now, but
I think the volume (and thus weight) goes as the inverse cube of the
operating frequency. So if you're switching at 50,000 to 100,000 (or even
1,000,000) Hz instead of 60 Hz, things can get really small really
quickly. Unfortunately, it also scales as some function of the maximum
magnetic field in the core. For 60 Hz transformers, this is 12,000 -
15,000 gauss, while in the higher frequency transformers it's only 3,000
gauss. So the decrease in size isn't as large as the ratio of frequency,
but things still get small.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

2005-12-09 Thread John Robbins


1.5 kW in 1U (1.75 high) sounds great.


http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/80/p/1/pt/26/product.asp

Oops... 1.2kW ;)  Picture sure looks like 2U, doesn't say what size the 
2.8kW are...



Where do you work?


Adtran


What do you do?


I'm a Co-op student in their Test Engineering department.  One really 
cool thing about Adtran is that **EVERY** product shipped goes through a 
100% functional test.  IE, if it is an HDSL card, we power it up, 
configure it, run data over it, simulate kFt of wire, etc. The TE 
department designs the hardware to test 24 of those cards at once, 
simulate the 9kFt of wire, generate test signals, analyze signals, route 
  signals through the test bank, and the software to control the test 
and log the data.


Now that I've probably bored ya, what work do you do?

Random note: The broadband wars in major cities should be getting 
interesting


Google says:
http://www.aware.com/products/dsl/adsl2plus.htm -- 25MBits at your house
http://www.aware.com/products/dsl/vdsl.htm -- 52MBits at your house

On the VDSL you can get 3 MPEG4 video streams of HDTV, VOIP phone 
service, AND still have bandwidth leftover for all you're internet 
browsing needs.  Way cool stuff :)


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

2005-12-09 Thread John Robbins


Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:03:23 -0800 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It continues to amaze me what can be done with modern switching
supplies.  I've seen linear supplies with a quarter of that output that
weighed 50 pounds and were *much* larger.  Roughly half the volume (and
probably 90% of the weight) was the transformer.



I derived the relationship years ago, but don't remember for sure now, but
I think the volume (and thus weight) goes as the inverse cube of the
operating frequency. So if you're switching at 50,000 to 100,000 (or even
1,000,000) Hz instead of 60 Hz, things can get really small really
quickly. Unfortunately, it also scales as some function of the maximum
magnetic field in the core. For 60 Hz transformers, this is 12,000 -
15,000 gauss, while in the higher frequency transformers it's only 3,000
gauss. So the decrease in size isn't as large as the ratio of frequency,
but things still get small.



You guys will like what my school job is working with...  10kW 28VDC to 
3-phase, 120/208VAC, 50/60/400Hz.  17 x 19 x 8.25


http://www.dtims.com/press/pdf/03072005c_pr.pdf
http://www.milcotsdigest.com/Articles/2005/may-june/Opinion/default.htm
http://www.msstate.edu/web/media/detail.php?id=2825

Check out the alternator on the second site... 400A at 28VDC!!!

John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


I will trade you for a 123

Mike Canfield wrote:

I already have a 7 passenger E350 Diesel conversion van and 35 foot 
tag-a-long camper but at 12mpg i think I'd better leave that rig in the 
StaesLOLOL.Wonder if I could swap with 'em..I do want another 
123 diesel s


Mike
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From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?




Mike wondered:

Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then.

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on 
our

escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long time
for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C

I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Mike Canfield

YEAH I BET YOU WOULD  Maybe ALL of your 123's and some cash to 
bootLOLOLOL.I've thought a few times about selling the Ford and 
getting a 1 ton Sprinter to pull the trailer but the ole 6.9 Tinkernational 
is still going strong at 245,000 miles and the body is nearly like new(It's 
an 86)Guess I better just stuff a 7.3 Powersmoke in her when she gets 
tired.That'll get better MPG's and tow the heck out of that camper.


Mike
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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



I will trade you for a 123

Mike Canfield wrote:


I already have a 7 passenger E350 Diesel conversion van and 35 foot
tag-a-long camper but at 12mpg i think I'd better leave that rig in the
StaesLOLOL.Wonder if I could swap with 'em..I do want another
123 diesel s

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?




Mike wondered:

Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then.

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on
our
escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long 
time

for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C

I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread redghost


Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?


On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off 
the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

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On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro

Oh ye of little faith

Bob

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?

On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off 
the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-09 Thread Hans Neureiter

Couple of Unimogs will do.

On 12/9/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?


 On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

  The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off
  the
  road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
  partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
  Harley
  Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.
 
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  On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
  starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-09 Thread Christopher McCann

Wilton,
  
  How physically unable are you? Don't think anyone wants to drive 
alone...could be a shotgun seat for you...
  
  Chris

wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  'FI were physically able, I'd be 
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Wilton,

  How physically unable are you? Don't think anyone wants to drive 
alone...could be a shotgun seat for you...

  Chris

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Mailboxes Etc. is now owned by UPS. They've changed over the store
signage that I've seen 'round here.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Never having done this, but just thinking out loud would it be possible
 to rent a mailbox at one of those Mailboxes, Etc. or such and then ship it
 to that address?  But, then you face the possibility of having one of the
 staff at the place reroute it.  Of course, that could happen at any time,
 anywhere.
 Just wonderin'
 Tom Reynolds
 Sand Springs, OK

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread LT Don

For what it is worth (which probably isn't much), I think this thread has
generated more total responses (this is #90 -- one of the good things about
gmail is that it counts that up for you) than any other one, including Mobil
1 threads.

That isn't a criticism in any way ... just a statement.

Don


On 12/8/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mailboxes Etc. is now owned by UPS. They've changed over the store
 signage that I've seen 'round here.

 Tim
 1982 300TD Moby

 On 12/7/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Never having done this, but just thinking out loud would it be
 possible
  to rent a mailbox at one of those Mailboxes, Etc. or such and then ship
 it
  to that address?  But, then you face the possibility of having one of
 the
  staff at the place reroute it.  Of course, that could happen at any
 time,
  anywhere.
  Just wonderin'
  Tom Reynolds
  Sand Springs, OK

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

But when they come with the car, already mounted on nice rims -- -- --
-- got to use them on the drive home tonight - they worked just fine.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Snow tires around here are really a waste of money for the 2 or 3 days
 of the year that you might actually need them.


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q


do tell more about this!!

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


Won't we all be bringing a diesel generator? I mean, why not just
bring inverters and use the car engines? It was good enough for my
parents to keep the house warm during the big Ice Storm of 1998.

Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 16. 
 Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the other.


Tom Reynolds wrote:


How about Valentine?  Have them equip the vehicles going up there for
safety's sake.  Might not be a bad idea to check with some cell phone
companies to see if they cover the areas to be driven, maybe they can
supply phones/intercoms for the event.  Car to car communications as well
as possible emergency situations.
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK

At 11:17 AM 12/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:


Content-Disposition: inline

How about Willy Nelson's biodiesel company? There's somebody with
money and an actual link to the cause!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Chris mentioned:

but we could still advertise the list with magnets on our cars...without
the list we'd all be on our own.


They do a thing out here each year, the Copperstate 1000 (or something like
that), which is not a rally...it's just vintage cars going roundy roundy in
Arizona. They have sponsors galore. I'd bet we'd be surprised at the
sponsors we could get. We'd have to think outside the box. I will get in
touch with those Copperstate dudes and ask them how they go about getting
sponsors for something that isn't a race or a rally. I'm sure they have


good


ideas and methods. Our possibilities could be Mobil 1, Hengst/Mann Filters,
Bosch, Michelin, etc. Could go into REI (camping gear) and stuff like that.
I'm sure, once we get something tenativly hammered out, Chuck would be


happy


to speak to Mr. Frank Barrett. Chuck is a very benevolent, diplomatic


human.


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread John Robbins


LT Don wrote:

For what it is worth (which probably isn't much), I think this thread has
generated more total responses (this is #90 -- one of the good things about
gmail is that it counts that up for you) than any other one, including Mobil
1 threads.


That whole GM bashing thing didn't make it that high?

So what about the thread count from some of your threads on the mbz.org 
list ;)


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 07:22:14PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 16. 
 Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the other.

I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.

Stick to GMRS or FRS. They're as cheap as CB, maybe cheaper since you don't
have to also buy an antenna (and deal with a monster antenna and installing a
radio in the car).

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

well, you have a point there.  How much snow did you all get.  We got 
maybe 1/2 inch so far but its slick as heck in some spots.


OK Don wrote:


But when they come with the car, already mounted on nice rims -- -- --
-- got to use them on the drive home tonight - they worked just fine.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Snow tires around here are really a waste of money for the 2 or 3 days
of the year that you might actually need them.




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread John Robbins


Christopher McCann wrote:

I'm confused...is it summer 2006 or 2007 that you would be free?


Can't tell for sure was what I was trying to get at, but, if this 
becomes a reality, I will *make* myself available!




Things to do along the way: There would be no shortage of those, the
problem would be time. For me, I want to have driven to the Arctic
Ocean (ok, within 3 miles of it and taken a tour bus the rest of the
way). I would want to subordinate everything to reaching the
goal...and  since there will inevtably be problems along the way, it
might be best  to plan the vast majority of the extra stuff for the
way back, so as  not to endanger the goal of reaching the Arctic
Ocean.


I like the plan for the way back... also lets us gather a list of things 
we want to do.  I imagine we will all find some neat little random thing 
not mentioned anywhere but on a sign on the side of the road.



Personally, I like historical things...hiking would be neat...taking
in  local scenery, etc. I really don't care...I'll pass on Worlds of
Fun/Disneylandish stuff. But I think we should be sure that the side
attractions add to the enjoyment of the experience of the ultimate
goal: Arctic Ocean and back. If we climb rocks, I'll watch...although
sitting atop a tor sounds like fun.


Yeah, the Disneyland kinda stuff we can get locally...  no need to drive 
10,000 miles for that ;)  History stuff works for me.  I really like the 
history of how places/things developed and how they were (mines, 
railroads, towns, etc)


I imagine they have some really cool railroad stuff all along the trip. 
 Any other railroad buffs out there?


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Kevin wrote:
 
 I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
 though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.

I've got a 1w/5w 40ch walkie-talkie with rubber antenna and car cord.
Works great for my limited purposes. Probably won't overload on 1w.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

hahahahaha, well if the M123 ever blows up I will be dropping a turbo 
down in there.


Mitch Haley wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Maybe I could bring the limo, could get plenty of people in there.
Although diesel would be my choice.



Got a spare 617? Put it in the LWB and you'll have both the roominess and
the diesel.

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

About the same, maybe closer to 1 inch, but it's dry and blowing away
--- It was slippery enough for me to verify that the anti-lock brakes
do work just fine!

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 well, you have a point there.  How much snow did you all get.  We got
 maybe 1/2 inch so far but its slick as heck in some spots.



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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 16.
   Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the other.


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Oh YES !

I'll get a list of the interesting places from my freind  who made the
trip this spring. Of course, he took 6 weeks to make it -- sounds like
the right pace to me (wishful thinking).

It will have to be 2007 for us, this summer is already booked.

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We would, of course, fish for, catch and then eat salmon. Often.

 Bob Rentfro
 '77 300D 144K
 Litchfield Park, AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 09:14:39PM -0600, OK Don wrote:
 You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
 questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
 can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

Sort of. Ham radios are far more expensive than FRS, and assuming you don't
install a mobile and use a handheld, the handhelds get extremely hot in your
hand if you have an extended conversation or have it plugged into vehicle
power. Yes, the ham mobiles (and handhelds for that matter) will have longer
range for communications, but that really doesn't come into play for a
caravan of vehicles. And if one car doesn't have a ham licensee in the car,
they're essentially locked out of communications. Easy as the test is, not
all have the time to study then show up for the test.

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread redghost

Good Lord!  Imagine the onboard genset to power that 1500 watt radio.  
And the ANTENNA would be whipping the tar out of everybody for about 
100 feet around as you drive by


On Wednesday, December 7, 2005, at 07:14 PM, OK Don wrote:


You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 
16.
  Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the 
other.



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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Jim Cathey


well, you have a point there.  How much snow did you all get.  We got
maybe 1/2 inch so far but its slick as heck in some spots.


I think we got about a foot, and temps haven't been above freezing yet.
The main roads are all dry, but not so the hill up to our house or our
own driveway!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Fmiser

rumor has it that Kevin wrote:

 I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
 though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.

Only if you are using a cheap radio - or trying to listen to a
transmitter with hyper-legal power.

 Stick to GMRS or FRS. They're as cheap as CB, maybe cheaper since you don't
 have to also buy an antenna (and deal with a monster antenna and installing a
 radio in the car).

FRS audio output is too low, they don't have a mic button on the back
to set it in a mic clip, line-of-sight RF, short car-to-car range
(partly because of the inability to put an antenna outside the car),
can't see the display in the dark without triggering the backlight, and
they have to be fed batteries rather than being wired into the car's
power.

GMRS requires a license.

I'll keep my CB. *smile*

 Philip, wondering if it's possible to drive 
 without a transceiver

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz 
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine 
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then.

Mike
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From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

well, if we want to shoot for STAR mag and  MBUSA/MBCA attention, I don't 
know the motorcycle would fit in, but I  would leave it open to discussion. 
Of course, there will be room in the  cars of others...and plenty of driving 
opportunity.  I'm guessing  2 people per car average.

 Chris

Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Chris,
 Sounds like my kind of adventureToo bad I sold my Benz..Are
motorcycles welcome?

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann

To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

A few years ago, my dad's cousin and her husband  drove the Dalton Highway
to Deadhorse, Alaska...some 4,000+ miles from  Kansas City in a camper. You
can drive within 3 miles of the Arctic  Ocean and from there a bus takes you
to the Ocean...Prudhoe Bay to be  exact. Usually about freezing even in the
summer. The Dalton Highway is  mostly gravel, hard on cars (particularly
windshields and headlights),  etc. Tons of articles on line and picture
galleries.

 A sample: http://gorp.away.com/gorp/activity/byway/ak_dalton.htm

 Anyone interested in an Arctic-Q? Not really able to do this any time
soon - maybe this coming summer...or the following summer...but I have  been
thinking about it and thought I would throw it out for thoughts,  reactions,
ideas, etc. Could be very interesting as a multi-car  caravan...we could
carry lots of tools and spare parts between several  vehicles in addition to
all the other stuff - spare tires, food, water,  clothes for the arctic
blasts that can come at any time, etc.

 Chris

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-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Maybe someone could convince Nokian or Bridgestone to give everyone involved 
a deal on a new set of snows for the trip.  The advertising potential for a 
trip like this could be astronomical!  Chris, you may actually be able to 
sell advertising to MANY different companies.If they are willing to give 
people cars and such for having a banner on them then I am sure some MBZ 
Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making 
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where 
the money is.



Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:55 AM
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good to know becuase everything I read and the  reports of Aunt Lois were of 
the swarms of mosquitos. Camped for a week  in the Algonquin Provincial 
Park - NEVER saw mosquitos like that  before!.


 Litttle Colder in September...but even today, the temp in Deadhorse 
s  -10F...I talked to my father in law who farms outside Madison, WI and  it 
was 0 there on MOnday - not the end of the world - snow  drifts...that's a 
problem.


 Chris

Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Chris speculated:

THis wouldn't be a winter trip...the biggest annoyance will be
MOSQUITOS...,of course I'll be reminded of that when we get snowbound  in
one of those rare summer snow storms and are freezing in a snow  drift.

They say the beginning of September is nice...most of the mosquitos are
gone, leaves have turned, etc.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

After the latest news, we're ALL going to need passports:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1c=Articlecid=1133995815625call_pageid=968332188492col=968793972154

Oopsie. I swear, although I work for this government, I had nothing to
do with it.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, I was very nearly turned away at my own border last year. Said
 I needed a passport to get back in. I didn't have mine. I said, OK,
 what do I do now? The border guard just looked at me and my
 westfalia, rolled her eyes, and waved me through. Now I carry a
 passport.

 Dan

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Bet there's not but just maybe if all the cars were running it Ole Willy 
might just be crazy enough to send a tanker or two along and donate the 
fuel..Now how to go about at least getting a chance to pass it by him. 
Sounds right up his alley to me.


Mike
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From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



I bet there's not much bio on the way...but I could be wrong.
Time to do a search.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

- Original Message - 
From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



How about Willy Nelson's biodiesel company? There's somebody with
money and an actual link to the cause!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Chris mentioned:

but we could still advertise the list with magnets on our 
cars...without

the list we'd all be on our own.


They do a thing out here each year, the Copperstate 1000 (or something
like
that), which is not a rally...it's just vintage cars going roundy roundy
in
Arizona. They have sponsors galore. I'd bet we'd be surprised at the
sponsors we could get. We'd have to think outside the box. I will get
in
touch with those Copperstate dudes and ask them how they go about 
getting

sponsors for something that isn't a race or a rally. I'm sure they have
good
ideas and methods. Our possibilities could be Mobil 1, Hengst/Mann
Filters,
Bosch, Michelin, etc. Could go into REI (camping gear) and stuff like
that.
I'm sure, once we get something tenativly hammered out, Chuck would be
happy
to speak to Mr. Frank Barrett. Chuck is a very benevolent, diplomatic
human.

Bob Rentfro (studying route to Deadhorse)
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Gotta go through Dawson City, of the old gold rush fame. They've got a
local specialty cocktail that involves the immersion of an old severed
finger into the drink.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah, the Disneyland kinda stuff we can get locally...  no need to drive
 10,000 miles for that ;)  History stuff works for me.  I really like the
 history of how places/things developed and how they were (mines,
 railroads, towns, etc)

 I imagine they have some really cool railroad stuff all along the trip.
   Any other railroad buffs out there?

 John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

Easy.

My parents have a 120V electric blower fireplace insert for their wood
fireplace. When the ice storm hit and they were without power for 3
days in the dead of winter, so my dad plugged the Radio Shack power
invertor into the 12V lighter in his Cadillac (with a 350 V8 of
course) and ran an extension cord into the house. Then he plugged the
fireplace insert into the cord. It didn't heat the -entire- 3500 sqft
house, but enough rooms that they could get by.

In Montreal, where power was out for weeks, they parked diesel
locomotives in the downtown streets to serve as generators for the
core buildings.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 do tell more about this!!

 TimothyPilgrim wrote:

  Won't we all be bringing a diesel generator? I mean, why not just
  bring inverters and use the car engines? It was good enough for my
  parents to keep the house warm during the big Ice Storm of 1998.
 
  Tim
  1982 300TD Moby

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Very trueAsk Mac..Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:12 AM
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KALEB'S CREEDO: 


cheap does not equal junk or bad.


Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread dave walton

Do they still require you to know Morse Code to get a license?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/7/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 09:14:39PM -0600, OK Don wrote:
  You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
  questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
  can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

 Sort of. Ham radios are far more expensive than FRS, and assuming you don't
 install a mobile and use a handheld, the handhelds get extremely hot in your
 hand if you have an extended conversation or have it plugged into vehicle
 power. Yes, the ham mobiles (and handhelds for that matter) will have longer
 range for communications, but that really doesn't come into play for a
 caravan of vehicles. And if one car doesn't have a ham licensee in the car,
 they're essentially locked out of communications. Easy as the test is, not
 all have the time to study then show up for the test.

 K

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Hans Neureiter

Still have mine. 24 channels. On a shelve in the garage. When I get
frustrated, I pick up the mike and holler Breaker 1-9

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  On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was
  16.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Will do

BR

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Bet there's not but just maybe if all the cars were running it Ole Willy
might just be crazy enough to send a tanker or two along and donate the
fuel..Now how to go about at least getting a chance to pass it by him.
Sounds right up his alley to me.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

I bet there's not much bio on the way...but I could be wrong.
Time to do a search.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

- Original Message - 
From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

How about Willy Nelson's biodiesel company? There's somebody with
money and an actual link to the cause!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Chris mentioned:

but we could still advertise the list with magnets on our
cars...without
the list we'd all be on our own.

They do a thing out here each year, the Copperstate 1000 (or something
like
that), which is not a rally...it's just vintage cars going roundy 
roundy

in
Arizona. They have sponsors galore. I'd bet we'd be surprised at the
sponsors we could get. We'd have to think outside the box. I will get
in
touch with those Copperstate dudes and ask them how they go about
getting
sponsors for something that isn't a race or a rally. I'm sure they have
good
ideas and methods. Our possibilities could be Mobil 1, Hengst/Mann
Filters,
Bosch, Michelin, etc. Could go into REI (camping gear) and stuff like
that.
I'm sure, once we get something tenativly hammered out, Chuck would be
happy
to speak to Mr. Frank Barrett. Chuck is a very benevolent, diplomatic
human.

Bob Rentfro (studying route to Deadhorse)
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Jim Cathey


Still have mine. 24 channels. On a shelve in the garage. When I get
frustrated, I pick up the mike and holler Breaker 1-9


That would be 23, or 40.  We use ours every time we caravan.
No problem whatsoever except when we try to get by with the
rubber duckie antennae inside the cars.  A magnetic-mount
external antenna has cured the problems every time, even if
it's inside on the back seat.  These are Uniden 510's, which
are small, a good brand, and relatively inexpensive (used).

C'mon fellas, _good_ used CB's are TOTALLY in keeping with the
cars you are using!  Leave the FRS for the Toyondexuses.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


Mike wondered:

Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then.

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be 
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on our 
escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long time 
for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example: 
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C


I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


Mike typed:

Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is.


Ahh...dealerships.
I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So 
far I've contacted:

Hella
PPG
M1
Bilstien
Bosch
Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.

Bob Rrentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


Sounds like something on Fear Factor.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Gotta go through Dawson City, of the old gold rush fame. They've got a
local specialty cocktail that involves the immersion of an old severed
finger into the drink.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yeah, the Disneyland kinda stuff we can get locally...  no need to drive
10,000 miles for that ;)  History stuff works for me.  I really like the
history of how places/things developed and how they were (mines,
railroads, towns, etc)

I imagine they have some really cool railroad stuff all along the trip.
  Any other railroad buffs out there?

John


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Hans Neureiter

The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
 starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 11:57:19PM -0600, Fmiser wrote:
 rumor has it that Kevin wrote:
 
  I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
  though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.
 
 Only if you are using a cheap radio - or trying to listen to a
 transmitter with hyper-legal power.

Neither was the case on the trip I just came back from. We are not going to
even mention one station being in a bowl and another station on a ridge, or 
whatnot. 11 meter isn't ideal for situations like that, and part 27 regulates
out all the cool things you'd be able to do with 11 meter to make it useful.

  Stick to GMRS or FRS. They're as cheap as CB, maybe cheaper since you don't
  have to also buy an antenna (and deal with a monster antenna and installing 
  a
  radio in the car).
 
 FRS audio output is too low, they don't have a mic button on the back
 to set it in a mic clip, line-of-sight RF, short car-to-car range
 (partly because of the inability to put an antenna outside the car),
 can't see the display in the dark without triggering the backlight, and
 they have to be fed batteries rather than being wired into the car's
 power.

All true, but it's a tradeoff.

 GMRS requires a license.

Which is just a file and receive (though there is a filing fee). No test to
pass.

 I'll keep my CB. *smile*

Well, I still have one in the truck, and it does have its uses, just beware
of its limitations.

  Philip, wondering if it's possible to drive 
without a transceiver

I don't think I've made a drive since before y2k where I didn't have some
type of transceiver in the car.

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

That would be cool, but doubt the time would be available. Could visit
my brother while up there.

Christopher McCann wrote:

A few years ago, my dad's cousin and her husband drove the Dalton Highway to
Deadhorse, Alaska...some 4,000+ miles from Kansas City in a camper. You can
drive within 3 miles of the Arctic Ocean and from there a bus takes you to the
Ocean...Prudhoe Bay to be exact. Usually about freezing even in the summer.
The Dalton Highway is mostly gravel, hard on cars (particularly windshields
and headlights), etc. Tons of articles on line and picture galleries.

A sample: http://gorp.away.com/gorp/activity/byway/ak_dalton.htm

Anyone interested in an Arctic-Q? Not really able to do this any time soon - maybe this coming summer...or the following summer...but I have been thinking about it and thought I would throw it out for thoughts, reactions, ideas, etc. Could be very interesting as a multi-car caravan...we could carry lots of tools and spare parts between several vehicles in addition to all the other stuff - spare tires, food, water, clothes for the arctic blasts that can come at any time, etc.

Chris

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-07 Thread John Robbins


Christopher McCann wrote:

I'm not much for camping either...where there are bears and your food
has to be 1/4 mile from your tent...even with a rifle. There ARE
places  to stay along the way - not many though, but enought that you
would not  HAVE to camp. There is always sleeping in the
car/wagon/unimog (omagosh  that would be awesome)/G-wagen (even
better...unimog is over-kill).


How about a small pop-up camper trailer?  Dunno if that helps out with 
the bear thing or not...


My wife and I haven't had our honeymoon yet, and I have been campaigning 
for a trip to Alaska...  she doesn't trust the car that much, and if she 
did she also doesn't want to sit in it that long (seat needs rebuilt). 
Wonder if having a bunch of MB enthusiasts would help or hurt ;)


I would love to make the trip.  Hopefully money and jobs can align 
themselves so that it could happen...   I think that most of the people 
who've commented on the trip work full-time.  Is there a limit to the 
time you guys can take off?  I'm still in college, but next summer would 
be either grad school or work


John
'79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

If my mother was still living up there we could just head into Anchorage 
and have her husband fly us on up to prudoe on the gulfstream jet.


Christopher McCann wrote:


oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it starts in 
Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...you are abour 300 miles 
NORTH of the arctic circle - you  stand on the shore of the Arctic Ocean. Some 
people take off their  shoes and stand in it. One guy said it was about 50 F 
(result of 24  hours of sunlight for two months straight) - another was there 
in  summer - it was right about freezing and the ocean was ice and slush -  I 
would still stand in about 1 foot deep for a picture...although if  you 
slipped, you might die - hypothermia happens FAST...so does  frostbite - had it 
once - VERY painful.
  
  Chris


Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Would this put us above the arctic 
circle??

On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:


A few years ago, my dad's cousin and her husband  drove the Dalton Highway
to Deadhorse, Alaska...some 4,000+ miles from  Kansas City in a camper. You
can drive within 3 miles of the Arctic  Ocean and from there a bus takes you
to the Ocean...Prudhoe Bay to be  exact. Usually about freezing even in the
summer. The Dalton Highway is  mostly gravel, hard on cars (particularly
windshields and headlights),  etc. Tons of articles on line and picture
galleries.

A sample: http://gorp.away.com/gorp/activity/byway/ak_dalton.htm

Anyone interested in an Arctic-Q? Not really able to do this any
time  soon - maybe this coming summer...or the following summer...but I
have  been thinking about it and thought I would throw it out for
thoughts,  reactions, ideas, etc. Could be very interesting as a
multi-car  caravan...we could carry lots of tools and spare parts between
several  vehicles in addition to all the other stuff - spare tires, food,
water,  clothes for the arctic blasts that can come at any time, etc.

Chris






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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


We are in for some snow tomorrow Tom, or so they say.

Tom Reynolds wrote:


I'm gettin' hypothermia just *thinking* about it.  17F with some wind and
outside for 8 minutes letting the dogs out in the morning just about kills me.
Tom
Sand Springs, OK




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

That's what I heard - just put the snow tires on the 300D 2.5.  I
didn't think that I'd have an opportunity to use them after the last
two winters!

On 12/6/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are in for some snow tomorrow Tom, or so they say.

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

It COULD have buymbparts/striplin.net associated -- for some subsidies -- -

On 12/6/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well if would have to be a buymbparts/striplin.net thing, that way, if
 it did make it in the star we would get more exposure.  H
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'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

We're interested as well -- the SDL needs some good highway miles,
only 290k so far --

A good friend of ours just took this exact trip this spring and came
back with some great photos (and he's not that great a photog). I'll
bring still cameras and ham radio.

On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann 
  I'll keep track of those interested.

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Could we put a star on your front fender?

On 12/6/05, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris,
  Sounds like my kind of adventureToo bad I sold my Benz..Are
 motorcycles welcome?

 Mike
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'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-07 Thread Mike Canfield

SureA Suzuki DR650 with THE star on the fender might be a bit 
blasphemous but if it's OK with you guys...Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

Could we put a star on your front fender?

On 12/6/05, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Chris,
 Sounds like my kind of adventureToo bad I sold my Benz..Are
motorcycles welcome?

Mike

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'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

2005-12-07 Thread TimothyPilgrim

Just remember for all you gun-toting Yanks down there that handguns
are a prohibited weapon in here Canada. If you show up at the border
with one, be prepared to kiss it goodbye. Big penalties for failing to
do so...

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/visitin_e.asp

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/prohibited_e.asp

And git yer passports in order or you might not be let back into your
own country! Things have changed since 9/11, especially in the past
year. Used to be a simple driver's license was sufficient. I wouldn't
bet on it nowadays.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/6/05, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris offered:

  I'll keep track of those interested.

 It's 4076 miles from my driveway to Deadhorse.
 Any filmmaker among us could document the trip and make a DVD. I'm sure the
 clowns at MBCA would be interested in a posse of old MBs making that trip.
 Who knows what could become of it. I'm thinking a good rendezvous point
 would be the poit where we'd cross into Canada...we could have our Northern
 Bros (Jeff, Timothy, Randy etc) meet us there and welcome us to the other
 side. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for a diesel MB RV thing...I'm not
 much of a tent camper.
 Keeptrack of me. I'm interested.

 Bob Rentfro
 '77 300D 144K
 Litchfield Park, AZ



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