shocked when I say I've bought my 240D to drive in the snow instead of my
pickup. Most people I learned have never had good snow tires...
-Curt
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if that happened it only took a short drag to get it restarted.
-Curt
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Actually, in hind sight the Pinto was a raving
not
performed!
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Tom Hargrave
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Curt Raymond wrote
Curt Raymond wrote:
Fits my experience too, an ex-girlfriend had one and it absolutely would not
start in the rain unless we dragged it half a mile with my truck. She used to
leave it running all day at work (it was fairly frugal on gas) because if she
shut it off even for a second it
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Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ahhh good point. I had a Focus rental back in '01 when I got married
(my money, base
Peter wrote: 86 Buick (and my brother had an 85). We both currently drive 87
Benzes. Buick did the best job of all of GM on cars, but they were still badly
designed and had problems due to dumb assembly. I think I damaged my knee on
the headlight swtich getting in that damned car. Not a patch
Well I used to run 86-88 sunbirds and cavaliers all the time when I used
to delivery papers. I beat the hell out of those cars and they did me
just fine.
Donald Snook wrote:
Peter wrote: 86 Buick (and my brother had an 85). We both currently drive 87
Benzes. Buick did the best job of all
these big houses?
Wilton
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Most SUVs are bought as a status symbol. I even at one point thought I HAD
TO HAVE
Curt wrote: I'd wager that 90% of SUVs will NEVER tow anything and never go
off pavement unless the owner has to use a dirt parking lot at a festival or
something... 75% will never use 4wd (except for awd vehicles that don't get
much choice) and most families would be better served with a
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Curt wrote: I'd wager that 90% of SUVs will NEVER tow anything and never
go off pavement unless the owner has to use a dirt parking lot at a festival
or something... 75% will never use 4wd (except for awd vehicles that don't
get much
:44 AM
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That's what I've been saying about the RBV's (Ridiculously Big Vehicles -
ah, SUV's) for MANY years.
Another question I've been asking for AT LEAST 15 years as I drive past so
many McMansions all through the countryside
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Especially on pre 90's cars, if you didn't service the plugs, wires,
distributor cap, battery and carburetor regularly you had a very poor
performing car at best or one that would not start in the morning at worse.
And I had friends who always complained about their cars
AM
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They are mortgaging their future. It's the American way - didn't we do the
same to build our houses?
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Yeah, but I didn't have to have an extra, often unused, house in one and
try to out-gable
Dec 2008 23:24:32 -0600
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That's funny, as I was about to fly
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Wife has a 4WD Grand Cherokee in Wisconsin and she needs the capability for
the winters.
So how did people in the Great Lakes states ever survive without 4wd?
Curt's got a 4x4 Dakota in Maine IIRC, and he drives a 240d to work in the
winter.
Mitch.
the answer.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:42:37 -0500
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Wife has a 4WD Grand Cherokee in Wisconsin and she needs the capability
for
the winters.
So how did
Curt Raymond wrote:
I did 'em, TWICE.
The second time I RTV'd everything together on the theory that water was
getting in somewhere. I RTV'd the coil (which made it overheat, a replacement
coil was no better...
How was water supposed to get OUT?
Might have been a distributor venting problem,
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Wife has a 4WD Grand Cherokee in Wisconsin and she needs the capability for
the winters.
Thanks,
Tom
, 2008 9:40 AM
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Is your wife a doctor, nurse or EMT?
In most cases the need is a want and if the roads are that bad she
should be home rather than tying up the roads.
I live in New England and for the last 5 years I've driven NOTHING
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
That includes last December when at one point I was climbing a hill
slowly in my 190D thinking thank God I got my snowtires this week and
looked over to see a Toyota pickup crabbing up the hill sideways will all
4 tires spinning. Finally the car in front
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In most cases the need is a want and if the roads are that bad she
should be home rather than tying up the roads.
Sometimes you just have to get home
Allan
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Wife has a 4WD Grand Cherokee in Wisconsin
Many (most) 4wd vehicles have tires with too much ground contact for
the weight. This leads to spinning with all 4 wheels, where a 240D
with its relatively small tires, (but proper weight distribution per
square inch of contact area) can do right up the hill.
I learned this the hard way with
part of my contention too. Hell what about places its
really cold? 4wd is a pretty recent invention after all. The first
real SUVs (Jeeps and Scouts) didn't get real popular until the '70s.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:20:56 -0500
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Many (most) 4wd vehicles have tires with too much ground contact for
the weight. This leads to spinning with all 4 wheels, where a 240D
with its relatively small tires, (but proper weight distribution per
square inch of contact area
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The best snow car was (and still is, in my opinion) the VW bug made
through the mid-70s.
I drove my Vanagon to Florida last March in the middle of that big
snowstorm that hit the midwest. It did really well, never got stuck or
slid around (I was driving
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The best snow car was (and still is, in my opinion) the VW bug made through
the mid-70s.
Because of the strong weight bias towards one end, directly over the
drive axle, and the tall, skinny stock tires? Any car that fits
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Her need is the fact that she works for Chrysler and has to be in the office
at 8 AM every morning, Mon - Sat
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In most cases the need is a want
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Or what, Chrysler will go bankrupt? Oh wait...
I have to be in the office every weekday at 8am, class starts at 9am. I've
done just fine without 4wd. Wisconsin probably
'96 Dodge Dakota v8
was not a great snow truck (acceptable but not great) as it had too much power.
I suspect the new Ranger will fall into the latter category...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:14:18 -0600
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Wife has a 4WD Grand Cherokee in Wisconsin and she needs the capability
for
the winters.
So how did people
Just keep right foot off the gas a bit more and all will be fine.
Randy
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Most 4wd trucks
:22 PM
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I lived in the MI UP near The Soo for 4 years; never had any 4WD; did fine
with '71 Chrysler st. wag. and '64 Dodge van; drove on packed snow and ice
several months every year with Sears/Michelin steel belted radials
Gary wrote: i didn't know you could read, snook
Usually only legal briefs, cases, depositions transcripts and other convoluted
and difficult to understand tomes such as your tirades on politics.
Donald H. Snook
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So if I understand this, Cerberus (very smart capitalists) think that DB
screwed them over, and now they want a do-over. And some billion$ from
the taxpayers to make it all better? Am I understanding that right?
(Hint: see the financing arm)
And some Very Influential Senators (with vast
] Cerberus wants money back
So if I understand this, Cerberus (very smart capitalists) think that DB
screwed them over, and now they want a do-over. And some billion$ from
the taxpayers to make it all better? Am I understanding that right?
(Hint: see the financing arm)
And some Very Influential
I think the problem is that the big 3 can't build the smaller cars
profitably here in the unionized plants, what with all the legacy costs
associated therewith. The big vehicles' profits carry the small cars,
which is why they have concentrated on the bigger vehicles (which
consumers like
their active employee base by then.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Well put Tom.
Rick Knoble
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'87 190 DT
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The big three have built smaller cars
OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but they
do want small products from the Japanese companies. (And I have heard
that Ford, and maybe the others', cars are doing well in Europe and
elsewhere v. the competition, why there and not here?) I guess we can
mess with
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The big three have built smaller cars here in the states. They tried
repeatedly we would not buy them. We wanted mid-size larger cars from
American auto makers. One great example of this is Saturn, who built a long
line of smaller, efficient cars. Saturn is performing so
: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:15:54 -0600
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Ford's Focus beats the Corolla
even get me started on having to pay laid off workers to not work. That
doesn't even approach passing the blush test, what idiot from the automakers
allowed that?
-Curt
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:01:08 -0600
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Curt Raymond wrote:
In a normal job if I've retired and then die the company gets off the hook
right? My widow and/or kids get some lump some payout and thats that?
Generally, with a defined benefit pension, you have to choose when you retire.
Do you want $x per month for your life, or 3/4x
in GM terms, saturn is one with opel and saab. all 3 are just opels, just
the saab version cost twice as much.
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
The big three have built smaller cars here in the states. They tried
repeatedly we would
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OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but they
do want small products from the Japanese companies. (And I have heard
that Ford, and maybe the others', cars are doing well in Europe and
elsewhere v. the competition
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OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product
: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:28 AM
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OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but they
do want small products from the Japanese companies. (And I have heard
that Ford, and maybe the others', cars
You sure about that? -- the plants in the south don't have those same
bennies do they?
--R
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Honda and Toyota have the exact same package that the 'Big 3' has. The only
difference is that they have not been in business long enough to float the
retirement base that the
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You sure about that? -- the plants in the south don't have those same
bennies do they?
--R
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Honda and Toyota have the exact
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So after spending billion$ on advertising, they still can't beat the
competition with the exact same car, tarted up (hmmm maybe it has
something
Tom wrote: Also, the biggest customer quality complaints were issues like
squeaky brakes. Does this mean that the Toyota Nissan customers were more
tolerant of these issues than GM Dodge customers were?
I can say from experience that one reason Hondas have such a following is that
the most
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Honda and Toyota have the exact same package that the 'Big 3' has. The only
difference is that they have not been in business long enough to float the
retirement base that the American auto manufacturers have. But they will,
just give them some years.
Good point. Marysville
Mitch Haley wrote:
Good point. Marysville opened 26 years ago, and I think they mainly
tried to hire workers under the age of 30. All the other import plants
are newer.
I forgot VW, didn't I?
1978 for them.
Mitch.
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Whomever wrote this has never driven a base model Corolla, Civic, Focus or
Cobalt
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Customer complaints were not about service, they were about quality.
And the companies who reviewed the products supposedly rated each on the
product's individual merits.
This pretty much leaves the dealerships out of the loop
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception of small
American cars.
For example, when GM Toyota manufactured cars in the US as a joint
venture, the Toyotas had consistently higher reviews and reported less
warranty issues. But the two
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whomever wrote this has never driven a base model Corolla, Civic, Focus or
Cobalt.
I've driven all 4, the Ford and Chevy SUCK. The Corolla is a fairly
comfortable little crapbox and the Civic is a sporty little fun car.
We have a '02 Focus and I
that we just bought a Honda Accord
to replace the Avalon.
Randy
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Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but
they do want small products from the Japanese companies. (And I have
heard that Ford, and maybe the others', cars are doing well in Europe
and elsewhere v. the competition, why there and
R A Bennell wrote:
I sometimes wonder if people have been brainwashed over the years to believe
that Asian cars are wonderful and US
cars are garbage by the auto media.
That pretty much sums up the young ignoramuses who think they know everything on
fatwallet.com forums.
Mitch.
Allan
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe, but . . . do you remember the early Japanese cars?
I had relatives that bought Datsun 510's. Nice engine and tranny etc
but no body. One of my cousins was teasing an uncle about how small
and light his car was. Grabbed the front fender
You are forgetting that the vast majority of people buy these cars today
were not around during those years, would not even know what a pinto etc
even was.
Allan Streib wrote:
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception of small
American
needed them.
It may have just been the number of
miles on the car. Made no sense to me.
Randy
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So after spending billion$ on advertising, they still can't beat the
competition with the exact same car, tarted up (hmmm
has an Escort, '03 maybe? Horrible car, engine sounds like it
came from a tractor, t'was cheap though...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:10:01 -0500
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Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ahhh good point. I had a Focus rental back in '01 when I got married
(my money, base model car) which we drove across New York
state. Really liked the car, very pleasant.
As I recall, the first generation of the Focus was suposed to be a
world car --
Finally, someone understands!
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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to work on!
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Maybe, but . . . do
At the risk of being flamed, I'll repeat what I've said about
American manufacturers -- they build dismal vehicles out of junky
parts that one is supposed to discard after two years and borrow more
money to replace.
The newest GM cars are at least not so ugly I want to barf, but face
it,
than the Dodge Stealth.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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different, anyway.
Wilton
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I remember the early Japanese cars. I also remember the American cars
Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If the current GM vehicles look as good and run as well in 20 years
as a current Toyota, I will consider buying one.
That's unrealistic, to put it kindly. The number of people who expect a
car to last that long are not enough to form the market for
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The best automotive deal in the US in the 90's was a two year old
Chevy Nova. Actually nice cars, since Toyota built them.
However, dealer service was iffy, repairs at the dealer were iffy (it
wasn't a 350
I knew a girl who had a light green (think hospital wall green) Gremlin,
she called it Lima Bean. I think her dad bought it for her, or it got
handed down to her or something. It was actually a decent little car
once you got past the looks.
--R
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The Gremlin was also a
Peter wrote: At the risk of being flamed, I'll repeat what I've said about
American manufacturers -- they build dismal vehicles out of junky parts that
one is supposed to discard after two years and borrow more money to replace . .
.
No flame intended in response. I am just curious. What GM
08, 2008 6:41 PM
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I remember the early Japanese cars. I also remember the American cars from
the 60s 70s.
The first Toyotas were so bad that they pulled all but the Land Cruiser
back
home to Japan started over.
The first Hondas
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Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception
86 Buick (and my brother had an 85). We both currently drive 87
Benzes. Buick did the best job of all of GM on cars, but they were
still badly designed and had problems due to dumb assembly. I think I
damaged my knee on the headlight swtich getting in that damned car.
Not a patch on the
Peter Frederick wrote:
Detroit's legacy costs are their own fault -- the UAW tried to get
them to join up and get behind a universal health care system in the
1930s, 40s, 50s, and 60s,...
So if our country were more communist, GM would be in better shape, and it's
GM's fault the country
I have been quite happy with the Dodge caravans, other than the
serviceability issues when you need to change parts, but all vehicles
Mfgd in the past 20-40 years have similar problems with
serviceability access. It is no Mercedes, but they have been
reliable and functional, and are much
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I remember the early Japanese cars. I also remember the American cars
from
the 60s 70s.
The first Toyotas were so bad that they pulled all but the Land Cruiser
Like the Eastern Bloc countries who buy the worn out Fiat tooling?
Dan
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was a Cordoba with Corinthian leather (don't think we
didn't give him plenty of crap about that!)
Dan
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:47 PM
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whomever wrote
LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 5 speed was the kiss of death for resale. I finally sold it to a
guy I worked with for $2500. I couldn't give the damned thing away
because of the stick, or so it seemed.
I had the same problem when I was selling my '91 Jetta with 5-speed.
Several
buy the worn out Fiat tooling?
Dan
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:34 PM
The Chevette
That's funny, as I was about to fly to Seattle and pick up an eBay
300E with a five speed when I got the chance to buy my 300D. I
really wish I had a car with a manual transmission again -- I've been
stuck with slushboxes since my 82 Dodge Aries.
Peter
On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Allan
Wilton wrote Article in 28 Nov USA TODAY says Cerberus is demanding its money
for Chysler back from Daimler.
I saw this email subject listed in the digest before I saw the email and I
thought what the heck is this email going to be about. I forgot that Cerberus
was involved in the Chrysler
Yeah, he was the three headed dog I think. They should have talked amongst
themselves a bit more. lol
Ed
300E
2008/12/7 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isn't Cerberus the name of the dog that guards Hell?
I think he was in Dante's Inferno guarding those that committed gluttony.
Isn't that
i didn't know you could read, snook
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wilton wrote Article in 28 Nov USA TODAY says Cerberus is demanding its
money for Chysler back from Daimler.
I saw this email subject listed in the digest before I saw the email and I
Sweet. Now that's customer service. Tell your boss.
Good performance review fodder.
Bob R
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants
OoopsI replied to the wrong note. I'm sure Gary figured it out.
Bob R
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Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:15 PM
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