Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread MG via Mercedes
Alcohol will take it right off. MG Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: If you are talking about household/construction silicone seal, yes, it is under the "improper use of" I was talking about the blue, red or black silicone form a gasket specifically made for engine use. Overuse also falls

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
One big difference between factory and repair/replacement is that the factory assembled the engine and accessories out of the car, then I think for the 123s and later, the engine/trans is put on the subframes on a sled, then the body is lowered onto the subframes/sled. When the manuals are

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Max inquires: >Can you or >anyone point me to a reference or procedure? Sure. Watch this video. Long, boring (for most), and I don't particularly care for the guy, but, it outlines my point. Rick

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Curley sez: >Vac pump is a very thin gasket, large and easily torn. When >replacing the vac pump in a car a thin coat of blue goo helps immensely >to hold the gasket in place while the pump is installed I prefer to glue the gasket to the removable part (easier to clean in the future) with High

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Rick Original Message From: Dan--- via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 4:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan Absolutely. I don’t use silicone sealant on anything automotive. Ever. I’ve got a tube

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
If you are talking about household/construction silicone seal, yes, it is under the "improper use of" I was talking about the blue, red or black silicone form a gasket specifically made for engine use. Overuse also falls under "improper use of" I have seen only 1 or 2 cases where a gasket had

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The issue with silicone sealants is that they are often inappropriate for the job. Unless formulated for use in contact with oil, they often refuse to stick (ditto for use with coolant, as I found out in Canada getting a water pump to seal in the dead of winter). Worst case you get what

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
The problem is not the "proper use of", but "improper use of". I have used the blue goo for close to 40 years and never had a problem. I DID see a problem in the kleb SDL turbo, where someone had way over smeared the red stuff, nearly plugging the oil supply. None of that broke loose or

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Rick, I think this is more Dr. Marshall Booth lore (not to say he was right or wrong, I think he was right on this one) as I could never find that warning against RTV or silicone anywhere in the 123 or 124 manuals. Can you or anyone point me to a reference or procedure? - Max

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Absolutely. I don’t use silicone sealant on anything automotive. Ever. I’ve got a tube of the sealant they recommend for the M103 timing cover seal. That should work, shouldn’t it? Thanks! Dan > On Jan 28, 2018, at 10:55 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dan

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Dan asks: >Anyone here dropped an oil pan on an >M119? Not I. ‎>if I should expect to use any sort of >sealant. I use Hylomar or Permagasket #2 non-hardening sealant. IMHO never, never, ever use silicone sealant on anything that doesn't absolutely require it per the manual. When it breaks

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-28 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
My mechanic changed the lower pan seal on my E420. No big hassle, from what he said. He did use sealant as a JIC thing. On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anyone here dropped an oil pan on an M119? Just the lower cover, not the > whole