Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Possibly.

Can’t hurt to ask.

Dan


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 Dan,
 Do you think Randy would have 123   124 interior trim parts like wood 
 consoles? THX.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
OK. Thanks Dan.
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
How do I contact him?
On Jun 13, 2015 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Possibly.

 Can’t hurt to ask.

 Dan


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  Dan,
  Do you think Randy would have 123   124 interior trim parts like wood
 consoles? THX.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
epspa...@impulse.net mailto:epspa...@impulse.net

Probably won’t hear back from him until early this coming week.  He was camping 
at Jalama all this week for he and Lorna’s 40th wedding anniversary.

Dan



 On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do I contact him?
 
 On Jun 13, 2015 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Possibly.
 
 Can’t hurt to ask.
 
 Dan
 
 
  On Jun 13, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com 
  mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Dan,
  Do you think Randy would have 123   124 interior trim parts like wood 
  consoles? THX.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
He’s around, he just does NOS stuff now, I think.  Let me drop him a note and 
see what’s up.

Dan


 On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 He may very well be, although I never got a response to my email in which I
 shamelessly dropped Dan P's name..
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Dan, nice to hear that Randy is back in the game.  Years ago I
 found an old website of his and somehow we ended up talking on the phone,
 he apologized for leaving the old site up, said he was out of the business.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On June 11, 2015 1:58:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Here’s what I suggest:
 
 Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd.
 
 epspa...@impulse.net
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I've purchased 111 parts from him in the distant past when I had several
3.5 coupes and a 109 sedan.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 He’s around, he just does NOS stuff now, I think.  Let me drop him a note
 and see what’s up.

 Dan


  On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  He may very well be, although I never got a response to my email in
 which I
  shamelessly dropped Dan P's name..
 
  On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Thanks Dan, nice to hear that Randy is back in the game.  Years ago I
  found an old website of his and somehow we ended up talking on the
 phone,
  he apologized for leaving the old site up, said he was out of the
 business.
  --
  Max Dillon
  Charleston SC
  '87 300TD
  '95 E300
 
  On June 11, 2015 1:58:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
  Here’s what I suggest:
 
  Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd.
 
  epspa...@impulse.net
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’ve known Randy since 1989 when he had a storefront operation in Santa 
Barbara.  Good guy, a real bulldog when it comes to finding a part that’s 
obscure or difficult to identify.

I used to visit him when I traveled out there, usually without notice.  I would 
just wander into the store like any customer and walk up to the counter, asking 
him for parts for (my) a 1979 300TD.  The first time I did it he just about 
lost it when he saw the name on my credit card.

Hee.

I paid his way to Startech in the early 2000s when it was in Milwaukee.  I also 
contributed heavily to his daughter’s college fund through my parts purchases.

Randy is a really good honest businessman who does well for his customers.  The 
Internet killed his business, however.  Too much competition on price.

However, he continues to amass all the NOS parts he can get his hands on.  He 
buys up inventories, dealer stock that’s too old to rotate back to MBUSA, you 
name it.  He keeps it all in a warehouse in Goleta outside Santa Barbara and 
pretty much works via email to the best of my knowledge.

I would buy from him now if he sold current parts.

Dan


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I've purchased 111 parts from him in the distant past when I had several
 3.5 coupes and a 109 sedan.
 
 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 He’s around, he just does NOS stuff now, I think.  Let me drop him a note
 and see what’s up.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 He may very well be, although I never got a response to my email in
 which I
 shamelessly dropped Dan P's name..
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Dan, nice to hear that Randy is back in the game.  Years ago I
 found an old website of his and somehow we ended up talking on the
 phone,
 he apologized for leaving the old site up, said he was out of the
 business.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On June 11, 2015 1:58:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Here’s what I suggest:
 
 Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd.
 
 epspa...@impulse.net
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-13 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Dan,
Do you think Randy would have 123   124 interior trim parts like wood
consoles? THX.
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-12 Thread Tom Savage via Mercedes
Andrew,
Another option is to take off my hands the Made in Germany Balo rotors I've
had in my basement for the last ten years. P/N 123 421 00 12 (replaces 115
421 14 12)

They're yours (or anyone's if you decline) for shipping cost.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
He may very well be, although I never got a response to my email in which I
shamelessly dropped Dan P's name..

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Thanks Dan, nice to hear that Randy is back in the game.  Years ago I
 found an old website of his and somehow we ended up talking on the phone,
 he apologized for leaving the old site up, said he was out of the business.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On June 11, 2015 1:58:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Here’s what I suggest:
 
 Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd.
 
 epspa...@impulse.net
 


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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks Dan, nice to hear that Randy is back in the game.  Years ago I found an 
old website of his and somehow we ended up talking on the phone, he apologized 
for leaving the old site up, said he was out of the business.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 11, 2015 1:58:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Here’s what I suggest:

Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd.

epspa...@impulse.net



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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Buy them from the dealer. You'll pay close to the same as aftermarket, and have 
no worries about where they came from.

Dan

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 On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
 rotors...
 
 Andrew
 1983 300TD squeals and leaks
 1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all 
chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for 
the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box 
anyway.  Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of 
bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease 
the bearings.  Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing 
tightness.  You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  
Get new pads too.


--R

On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
rotors...

Andrew
1983 300TD squeals and leaks
1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Your choice.  The darn things are heavy and costly to ship.  Last time I did
this job, genuine MBZ  disks were surprisingly inexpensive (like $50 each).

I usually re-bolt the wheel to the hub (just 2-3 bolts) to hold the hub
while I loosen and tighten the bolts that hold the disk to the hub (and I
blue-Loctite those bolts).

 -Original Message-
 From:  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:25 AM
 
 My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
less a
 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..
 



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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the 
MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been 
reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers.  At least you would 
have a comparo to take to your local stealer.


Don't waste Tony's time on the phone, just go to MBN's web site and look up the 
rotors, see what they cost.

Heck, I just did it for you:
1985 300TD rotors
Fronts $48.50 list, $33.95 plus freight.
Rears $53.00 list, $37.10 plus freight.

Tell the local stealer you'll give them $70 for two fronts, take it or leave it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Pads are a wear item, rotors are too but you should IIRC get 1 set of rotors 
for each 2 sets of pads. Maybe more.
I put PBR rotors on my '83 240D, I got them from Rusty and Gary while told me 
they were junk and would wear out tomorrow (this was after the Rusty/Gary 
split) they gave good service over 25,000 miles until I junked the car. IIRC 
they were very cheap.
Dr. Fatstuff has both Balo and Zimmerman in the sub$35 range for fronts, 
probably can't go wrong with either.For pads I'm sticking to Pagid from now on. 
My local CarQuest talked me into their house brand for my 190D rear brakes last 
time. I bought the best quality and they squeaked bad. Switched to Pagid 
which is what Gary recommended and the squeak went away. The CarQuest branded 
pads were like $8, Pagid were maybe $20. In this case since I had to do the job 
twice it would have made much better sense to go with Pagid in the first place.
-Curt

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What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
rotors...

Andrew
1983 300TD squeals and leaks
1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
less a 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all
 chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the
 SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway.  Who
 knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease
 while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings.  Go
 to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness.  You can
 change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  Get new pads too.

 --R


 On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

 What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
 rotors...

 Andrew
 1983 300TD squeals and leaks
 1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the 
MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been 
reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers.  At least you would 
have a comparo to take to your local stealer.


--R


On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
less a 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all
chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the
SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway.  Who
knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease
while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings.  Go
to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness.  You can
change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  Get new pads too.

--R


On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
rotors...

Andrew
1983 300TD squeals and leaks
1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I called Northlake but got Wayne's voice mail.  What number do you have,
Rich?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the
 MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported
 they do reasonable pricing for stealers.  At least you would have a comparo
 to take to your local stealer.

 --R



 On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

 My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
 less a 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all
 chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the
 SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway.
 Who
 knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease
 while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings.
 Go
 to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness.  You can
 change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  Get new pads too.

 --R


 On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

  What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than
 my
 rotors...

 Andrew
 1983 300TD squeals and leaks
 1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The only way you can be sure to get good quality parts if you're worried about 
it is to get them from a dealer, period. The stuff you buy from AutohausAZ sits 
on the shelf with loads of URO brand parts. If they're willing to sell that 
garbage, they can't be motivated to sell you the highest quality parts - 
they're more interested in profits, which the cheapest and poorest quality will 
give them. Hence their motivation to push the cheap stuff.

I know of several instances where people have confronted rapist dealers and in 
a couple of them the dealer backed down and sold for MB list, as opposed to 
consumer list, i.e., the 4X markup you reference.

There have got to be multiple dealers in your area, although I'm sure not all 
are close to you. If you confront them on pricing, tell them you'll just go to 
the other dealer. That won't sit well, as they are a competitor in this case.

The alternative is to find a good dealer parts guy, explain your parts buying 
habits and tell them you would prefer to buy from them. Ask them to go to their 
boss for approval. You might be surprised.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the 
 MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported 
 they do reasonable pricing for stealers.  At least you would have a comparo 
 to take to your local stealer.
 
 --R
 
 
 On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
 less a 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..
 
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all
 chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the
 SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway.  Who
 knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease
 while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings.  Go
 to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness.  You can
 change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  Get new pads too.
 
 --R
 
 
 On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
 rotors...
 
 Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
BTDT, Dan.  Autohaus sells the OEM rear rotors for $51 but not the front.
Local dealer has a discounted price of $63.30 each, with a valid MB Club
card (mine has expired).  I asked for a better deal but he won't budge.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 The only way you can be sure to get good quality parts if you're worried
 about it is to get them from a dealer, period. The stuff you buy from
 AutohausAZ sits on the shelf with loads of URO brand parts. If they're
 willing to sell that garbage, they can't be motivated to sell you the
 highest quality parts - they're more interested in profits, which the
 cheapest and poorest quality will give them. Hence their motivation to push
 the cheap stuff.

 I know of several instances where people have confronted rapist dealers
 and in a couple of them the dealer backed down and sold for MB list, as
 opposed to consumer list, i.e., the 4X markup you reference.

 There have got to be multiple dealers in your area, although I'm sure not
 all are close to you. If you confront them on pricing, tell them you'll
 just go to the other dealer. That won't sit well, as they are a competitor
 in this case.

 The alternative is to find a good dealer parts guy, explain your parts
 buying habits and tell them you would prefer to buy from them. Ask them to
 go to their boss for approval. You might be surprised.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the
 MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported
 they do reasonable pricing for stealers.  At least you would have a comparo
 to take to your local stealer.
 
  --R
 
 
  On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
  My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
  less a 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..
 
  On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all
  chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for
 the
  SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway.
 Who
  knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing
 grease
  while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the
 bearings.  Go
  to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness.  You
 can
  change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  Get new pads too.
 
  --R
 
 
  On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
  What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer
 than my
  rotors...
 
  Andrew
  1983 300TD squeals and leaks
  1985 300TD garage queen
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
If you’re sure they’re OE and you can get them cheaper, do it!

However, I’m a bit confused about your earlier statement about your dealer 
raping you or charging 4X list, as that’s not what you just described. 

If shipping is free with Autohauz and you’re willing to wait, it makes sense.  
You probably don’t pay them sales tax, either.
On the other hand, if you want them now and they’re only $12 more apiece, 
what’s the big deal?

I’m seeing a dealer price of around $48.50 for the fronts from most dealers.  
Rears around $56.  Still cheaper than crappy unknown aftermarket discs whose 
origins are unknown.

I’m sorry, guys, I understand being frugal, but in the grand scheme of things 
to me this is nickel-dime stuff. Yeah, ten bucks more times two or four is a 
lot, but you KNOW what you’re getting.

Just my $0.02.

Dan

 On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 BTDT, Dan.  Autohaus sells the OEM rear rotors for $51 but not the front.  
 Local dealer has a discounted price of $63.30 each, with a valid MB Club card 
 (mine has expired).  I asked for a better deal but he won't budge.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dan, your word is gold so I am going to move up to OEM rotors.

Pelican Parts sells OEM front rotors for under $50 - including free
shipping  Autohaus doesn't carry them.  Northlake Motors doesn't answer the
phone and hasn't returned my voicemail message.

I also need the window brushes (L and R) that scrape dew/rain water off the
windows.  OEM costs $75 vs. $12 for a knockoff.  Seems like quite a
spread.  Is itworth the difference?



On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 If you’re sure they’re OE and you can get them cheaper, do it!

 However, I’m a bit confused about your earlier statement about your dealer
 raping you or charging 4X list, as that’s not what you just described.

 If shipping is free with Autohauz and you’re willing to wait, it makes
 sense.  You probably don’t pay them sales tax, either.
 On the other hand, if you want them now and they’re only $12 more apiece,
 what’s the big deal?

 I’m seeing a dealer price of around $48.50 for the fronts from most
 dealers.  Rears around $56.  Still cheaper than crappy unknown aftermarket
 discs whose origins are unknown.

 I’m sorry, guys, I understand being frugal, but in the grand scheme of
 things to me this is nickel-dime stuff. Yeah, ten bucks more times two or
 four is a lot, but you KNOW what you’re getting.

 Just my $0.02.

 Dan

  On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  BTDT, Dan.  Autohaus sells the OEM rear rotors for $51 but not the
 front.  Local dealer has a discounted price of $63.30 each, with a valid MB
 Club card (mine has expired).  I asked for a better deal but he won't budge.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Window scrapers are actually material sold in bulk.

Let’s give this some rational thought:

Knockoff: $12.00

OEM: $75.00

That means the knockoff is more than SIX times cheaper than OEM.  Assuming 
everyone is making a profit on what they sell, the cost relationship of the 
knockoff to the OEM part is skewed even further.

What do you think about the raw materials that are being used in the knockoff?  
Cheap labor? Sure. 100% real rubber?  Most unlikely.

How long do you think the knockoff is going to last?

I realize that some will step up at this point and suggest that Andrew can buy 
more than six pieces of the knockoff before he would have the same amount of 
money invested for one OEM window scraper, but you also need to factor in labor 
and related potential issues for the water that’s going to get past the 
knockoff part and into his doors as it wears (quickly).

Here’s what I suggest:

Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd.

epspa...@impulse.net

Tell Randy I told you to contact him.  Tell him you need exterior window 
scrapers for a W123 and see what he quotes you.  I suggest this because I 
bought literally tens of thousands of dollars of parts from Randy over the 
years, and I am almost sure he bought window scraper material in bulk and just 
cut it to length.  For that matter, the pieces you get from the dealer will 
also be in bulk form, slightly longer than your actual scrapers.  You’ll need 
to have some very sharp tin snips or aircraft shears to trim it to length.

I don’t know if Randy will be any cheaper, but it’s worth a try.  I certainly 
understand your reluctance to spend $75 for a window scraper, but some of that 
decision factors into how much longer you plan on owning/driving the car, too.

On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re 
looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy.

Dan

 On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dan, your word is gold so I am going to move up to OEM rotors.
  
 Pelican Parts sells OEM front rotors for under $50 - including free shipping  
 Autohaus doesn't carry them.  Northlake Motors doesn't answer the phone and 
 hasn't returned my voicemail message.
  
 I also need the window brushes (L and R) that scrape dew/rain water off the 
 windows.  OEM costs $75 vs. $12 for a knockoff.  Seems like quite a spread.  
 Is itworth the difference?
  
  


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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Would you really want to buy OLD rubber?  Even if OEM would it be better 
to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW 
cheepcheepchinee rubber?


conundrums!

--R



On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re 
looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy.



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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
For all I know, the $12 scraper has NEW rubber, albeit of lower quality
than the OEM part.

Hey Rich, the same size house you live in would cost you probably triple
here in DC.  Does this mean your home is made out of papier mache and
Chinese drywall?


On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Would you really want to buy OLD rubber?  Even if OEM would it be better
 to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW
 cheepcheepchinee rubber?

 conundrums!

 --R



 On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

 On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re
 looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy.



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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
My house would cost 10X more even if it did have chinee drywall. That 
might even be a good selling feature, to celebrate diversity and all...


But I think we are both arguing the same point, NOS is new OLD stock 
which has been sitting on some shelf for who knows how long, and rubber 
deteriorates, but maybe it would still be better and last longer than 
cheepcheepchinee rubber since it might be der in ordnung Deutsche 
rubber.  I myself would not use cheepcheepchinee rubbers for fear of the 
consequences.


--R


On 6/11/15 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

For all I know, the $12 scraper has NEW rubber, albeit of lower quality
than the OEM part.

Hey Rich, the same size house you live in would cost you probably triple
here in DC.  Does this mean your home is made out of papier mache and
Chinese drywall?


On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Would you really want to buy OLD rubber?  Even if OEM would it be better
to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW
cheepcheepchinee rubber?

conundrums!

--R



On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re
looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy.



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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nothing can equal OEM German rubber grown under careful Tutonic supervision
in the idyllic plantations of suburban Stuttgart..

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My house would cost 10X more even if it did have chinee drywall. That
 might even be a good selling feature, to celebrate diversity and all...

 But I think we are both arguing the same point, NOS is new OLD stock
 which has been sitting on some shelf for who knows how long, and rubber
 deteriorates, but maybe it would still be better and last longer than
 cheepcheepchinee rubber since it might be der in ordnung Deutsche rubber.
 I myself would not use cheepcheepchinee rubbers for fear of the
 consequences.

 --R



 On 6/11/15 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

 For all I know, the $12 scraper has NEW rubber, albeit of lower quality
 than the OEM part.

 Hey Rich, the same size house you live in would cost you probably triple
 here in DC.  Does this mean your home is made out of papier mache and
 Chinese drywall?


 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Would you really want to buy OLD rubber?  Even if OEM would it be better
 to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW
 cheepcheepchinee rubber?

 conundrums!

 --R



 On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

  On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if
 you’re
 looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy.


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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
  Andrew wrote:
 
  What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads
  last longer than my rotors...

 Dan wrote:
 
 Buy them from the dealer. You'll pay close to the same as
 aftermarket, and have no worries about where they came from.

*You* will pay close to the same.  The rest of us?

And if the nearest dealer is a stealer and is the only one
within 250 miles?  Then what brand rotor should we look for?

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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

2015-06-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Call them on it. Many will back down if you confront them.

Otherwise, buy elsewhere.

Dan

 On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ,
 less a 10 percent MB Club discount.  No thanks..
 
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some.  I think they are all
 chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the
 SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway.  Who
 knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease
 while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings.  Go
 to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness.  You can
 change both of them in an afternoon easy enough.  Get new pads too.
 
 --R
 
 
 On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 What brand should I stay away from?  It seems the pads last longer than my
 rotors...
 
 Andrew
 1983 300TD squeals and leaks
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