Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
On 26/11/2012 7:06 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I got it out. Used a different bolt. Yes, I have to take off the drain tube from under, and take out the lower bushing/nut for the oil supply tube for the turbo. Then wire the cam sprocket and pull the camshaft. Then headbolts, and then OFF with its head. Should get done by 2-3. THen off to get some scrimps and goodies. Pick up SWMBO and #1D and head off to the beach for sunset and shrimp. I plan to pack up the head and take it home to prep. seals and guides. Then put it back together next trip. So, where are you and why are you doing this there?? Did I misss something along the way? Randy Car is 1000 miles away at #1 daughter's house. I did an iron butt yesterday. 1050 miles in one day. So it is your daughter's car. I do sort of recall something on those lines. I used to do things like from here to Chicago in a day but not any more. My elder son moved to Ottawa last summer and I would like to drive out there once but I think I will need a minimum of 3 days each way. It is roughly 1300 miles from Winnipeg. We went by air in September and that was easy. Something like 2 and 1/2 hours in the air sure beats 3 days in the car. And, of course, if you factor in the cost of fuel, meals, rooms etc, it probably did not cost any more than driving would have. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Well, it is my car, but since I didn't need it, and my 300D she had needed more work than I could do in a week there, I swapped cars and left the SDL there. SHE only drives SLs (except for when she has one of my diesels available) Car is 1000 miles away at #1 daughter's house. I did an iron butt yesterday. 1050 miles in one day. So it is your daughter's car. I do sort of recall something on those lines. I used to do things like from here to Chicago in a day but not any more. My elder son moved to Ottawa last summer and I would like to drive out there once but I think I will need a minimum of 3 days each way. It is roughly 1300 miles from Winnipeg. We went by air in September and that was easy. Something like 2 and 1/2 hours in the air sure beats 3 days in the car. And, of course, if you factor in the cost of fuel, meals, rooms etc, it probably did not cost any more than driving would have. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I got it out. Used a different bolt. Yes, I have to take off the drain tube from under, and take out the lower bushing/nut for the oil supply tube for the turbo. Then wire the cam sprocket and pull the camshaft. Then headbolts, and then OFF with its head. Should get done by 2-3. THen off to get some scrimps and goodies. Pick up SWMBO and #1D and head off to the beach for sunset and shrimp. I plan to pack up the head and take it home to prep. seals and guides. Then put it back together next trip. So, where are you and why are you doing this there?? Did I misss something along the way? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I got it out. Used a different bolt. Yes, I have to take off the drain tube from under, and take out the lower bushing/nut for the oil supply tube for the turbo. Then wire the cam sprocket and pull the camshaft. Then headbolts, and then OFF with its head. Should get done by 2-3. THen off to get some scrimps and goodies. Pick up SWMBO and #1D and head off to the beach for sunset and shrimp. I plan to pack up the head and take it home to prep. seals and guides. Then put it back together next trip. So, where are you and why are you doing this there?? Did I misss something along the way? Randy Car is 1000 miles away at #1 daughter's house. I did an iron butt yesterday. 1050 miles in one day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Pull the clip and pop the hose out. No need to get under for the oil drain, it just pops right off. You and also get the feed from up top, its just a blind shot (although maybe not with fed manifold now that I think about it. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Behind the injector pump is a coolant connection with a 32mm nut at the head and a metal keeper clip. Is it taking off by pulling the keeper and sliding out an oring connection? Or, do you take the nut(bushing) out of the head? Other than that, and crawling under to take loose the oil supply and turbo oil drain, the trans cooler lines and lower radiator hose, then I am ready to pull the head bolts. Chain has maybe 1/2 ยบ stretch or less. Essentially it is negligible stretch. Some good news. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I just left it all together. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf What about the chain guide on the IP side? After the pins are pulled, can it be slid out before the head is pulled? I am not worried about the banana rail the tensioner pushes on.it'll stay put as the head goes off and on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Guess I shoulda started pulling the timing chain guide rail pins on the head earlier. Top one came out ok. Bottom one is recessed in the head. That way it collects water and induces that good ol steel to aluminium chemical bond. It appears to have no separation between the pin and the head. I did try soaking and beating, but still broke the bolt. I was able to turn out the broken bolt. I'm not sure the goos ol mopar rust eater will help on this one. Because it is steel to alum chemical bond, not even the mopar stuff eats that. But I think it does help to berak it free, along with flame wrench or wicked beating. Is that pin supposed to be recessed in the head, or did someone push it in too far? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I think mine was recessed as well. Head is toast already, no? Drill it out, or break the guide and get a new guide? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Guess I shoulda started pulling the timing chain guide rail pins on the head earlier. Top one came out ok. Bottom one is recessed in the head. That way it collects water and induces that good ol steel to aluminium chemical bond. It appears to have no separation between the pin and the head. I did try soaking and beating, but still broke the bolt. I was able to turn out the broken bolt. I'm not sure the goos ol mopar rust eater will help on this one. Because it is steel to alum chemical bond, not even the mopar stuff eats that. But I think it does help to berak it free, along with flame wrench or wicked beating. Is that pin supposed to be recessed in the head, or did someone push it in too far? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Dieselhead wrote: I'm not sure the goos ol mopar rust eater will help on this one. Because it is steel to alum chemical bond, not even the mopar stuff eats that. But I think it does help to berak it free, along with flame wrench or wicked beating. One old bicycle mechanic's trick for stuck aluminum seatposts in steel frames was to turn it upside down and pour the seat tube full of ammonia. IIRC it wasn't very good for the aluminum seatpost, but it got it out of the frame so you could stick another one in. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I think mine was recessed as well. Head is toast already, no? Drill it out, or break the guide and get a new guide? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD I got it out. Used a different bolt. Yes, I have to take off the drain tube from under, and take out the lower bushing/nut for the oil supply tube for the turbo. Then wire the cam sprocket and pull the camshaft. Then headbolts, and then OFF with its head. Should get done by 2-3. THen off to get some scrimps and goodies. Pick up SWMBO and #1D and head off to the beach for sunset and shrimp. I plan to pack up the head and take it home to prep. seals and guides. Then put it back together next trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
So this head you are taking off is good, but you suspect the head gasket? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think mine was recessed as well. Head is toast already, no? Drill it out, or break the guide and get a new guide? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD I got it out. Used a different bolt. Yes, I have to take off the drain tube from under, and take out the lower bushing/nut for the oil supply tube for the turbo. Then wire the cam sprocket and pull the camshaft. Then headbolts, and then OFF with its head. Should get done by 2-3. THen off to get some scrimps and goodies. Pick up SWMBO and #1D and head off to the beach for sunset and shrimp. I plan to pack up the head and take it home to prep. seals and guides. Then put it back together next trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
The head is loose. I have to go get a short hunk of chain to hook it up to the engine hoist. Max, Yes, I am hoping the head is ok. Not proven yet. No inspection yet, as I have not lifted it up yet.. Just got it lose from the block. Left exhaust manifolds and turbo hang on the head for now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Exciting times! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The head is loose. I have to go get a short hunk of chain to hook it up to the engine hoist. Max, Yes, I am hoping the head is ok. Not proven yet. No inspection yet, as I have not lifted it up yet.. Just got it lose from the block. Left exhaust manifolds and turbo hang on the head for now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Head gasket has a 1/4 gap at the front into an oil passage. Head looks ok. I have it bundled up ready for the ride home. Will find out then how bad the guides are. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Got mine all buttoned up sans 7.5mm pump and its running just fine. Did some spirited driving and couldnt get it up over 80 c. Kinda scary. Wierd part is that my aux rad fan is on and wont stop running. Not sure what to think about that since it has NEVER cut on before... -Rolf On 11/24/2012 4:24 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Head gasket has a 1/4 gap at the front into an oil passage. Head looks ok. I have it bundled up ready for the ride home. Will find out then how bad the guides are. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Fan switch is bad or the wire is grounded somewhere. It won't ever go over 80C with the fan going and cool temps outside unless the thermostat is bad. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yep, that gap would do it. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Head gasket has a 1/4 gap at the front into an oil passage. Head looks ok. I have it bundled up ready for the ride home. Will find out then how bad the guides are. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Ya think? I took pictures. The metal part of the gasket is actually blown up into the oil passage. Maybe a quarter inch. It is an impressive blowout. I have never seen a gasket with a blowout like this. I have seen a bigger blowout between cylinders (on a gas engine) But a blowout into an oil passage, I have never seen anything like this. Yep, that gap would do it. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Head gasket has a 1/4 gap at the front into an oil passage. Head looks ok. I have it bundled up ready for the ride home. Will find out then how bad the guides are. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Looks like you removed the exhaust manifold before pulling the head? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. Some pics (seemed like I took way more). http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Weak point in front of #1 cylinder leaks oil into cylinder when it blows. If you don't catch it soon enough it will bend the #1 connecting rod. Can use dial gauge to measure distance pistons protrude from head at top of stroke. You have to pull engine and transmission together, then remove transmission to get to the bottom end. Specifications during reassembly say to torque head bolts wet as I recall. Dr. Booth was proponent of using Hylomar on the head gasket. -Dave Walton On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Rick Knoble wrote: A bad head gasket makes oil smoke? Oil from the oil passages gets into the combustion chambers? Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Not doing rings for a head gasket. On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Anything I am missing on these three lists? Piston rings? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've barely had the car running. On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0feat=directlink Better? On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to sign in. Randy On 22/11/2012 2:31 PM, Rolf wrote: In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. Some pics (seemed like I took way more). http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
How does it run? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've barely had the car running. On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How much would you charge to pull and replace head on my wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've barely had the car running. On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? I got mine at McFlaps. I used it on the Hercules motor in my genset, I had persistent head leakage problems. Don't really have enough hours on it to prove anything. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0feat=directlink Better? On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to sign in. Randy Yep! From the pics it looks like you might have been able to wire the timing chain to the cam sprocket and leave it sit when you pulled the head. Is this the case? It is unclear from the pictures. I have always broken the chain on iron head engines. But most of them were more serious work than just changing a head gasket. The only 616 I did was a complete rebuild with new sleeves, so obviously the chain was coming out anyway. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yup. Not sure how it runs entirely yet, havent let it warm up all the way yet. Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dunno about your wife, but mine takes alot of money to make happy... -Rolf. Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: How much would you charge to pull and replace head on my wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've barely had the car running. On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0feat=directlink Better? On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to sign in. Randy Yep! From the pics it looks like you might have been able to wire the timing chain to the cam sprocket and leave it sit when you pulled the head. Is this the case? It is unclear from the pictures. I have always broken the chain on iron head engines. But most of them were more serious work than just changing a head gasket. The only 616 I did was a complete rebuild with new sleeves, so obviously the chain was coming out anyway. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or an engine hoist... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0feat=directlink Better? On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to sign in. Randy Yep! From the pics it looks like you might have been able to wire the timing chain to the cam sprocket and leave it sit when you pulled the head. Is this the case? It is unclear from the pictures. I have always broken the chain on iron head engines. But most of them were more serious work than just changing a head gasket. The only 616 I did was a complete rebuild with new sleeves, so obviously the chain was coming out anyway. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf I don't have a second person. Thus the engine hoist It works for heads too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why haven't you let it warm up? Some sort of break-in process? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Yup. Not sure how it runs entirely yet, havent let it warm up all the way yet. Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. What is it called? I don't think it is a triple square. Is it a 12 point 10 mm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope, just not enough time. Tomorrow Im buttoning it altogether with the stock pump and going to run as is until I get back from Germany in January. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Why haven't you let it warm up? Some sort of break-in process? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Yup. Not sure how it runs entirely yet, havent let it warm up all the way yet. Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Looks like XZN-10. THat is triple square. No snappy at this hour. Will go on the prowl. Maybe HF or flaps? Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. What is it called? I don't think it is a triple square. Is it a 12 point 10 mm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Its a triple square aka XZN bolt. I used the cheapo set from autozoo to pull mine and then the proper socket set came in from zdmak in time to put it back together. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. What is it called? I don't think it is a triple square. Is it a 12 point 10 mm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I found a cheapo set made of 1/2 hex stock at oreally? I am not thrilled, but I hope they do to get the bolts out. Nothing at HF, but I am sure I saw them at HF before. Maybe I just did not find them. I had a snappy socket. Big bucks. I thought it was in my tool box, but it is not. Wonder where it went? I may be looking for a snappy truck Its a triple square aka XZN bolt. I used the cheapo set from autozoo to pull mine and then the proper socket set came in from zdmak in time to put it back together. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. What is it called? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Behind the injector pump is a coolant connection with a 32mm nut at the head and a metal keeper clip. Is it taking off by pulling the keeper and sliding out an oring connection? Or, do you take the nut(bushing) out of the head? Other than that, and crawling under to take loose the oil supply and turbo oil drain, the trans cooler lines and lower radiator hose, then I am ready to pull the head bolts. Chain has maybe 1/2 ยบ stretch or less. Essentially it is negligible stretch. Some good news. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Pull the keeper off, then pull out on pipe with o-ring. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Behind the injector pump is a coolant connection with a 32mm nut at the head and a metal keeper clip. Is it taking off by pulling the keeper and sliding out an oring connection? Or, do you take the nut(bushing) out of the head? Other than that, and crawling under to take loose the oil supply and turbo oil drain, the trans cooler lines and lower radiator hose, then I am ready to pull the head bolts. Chain has maybe 1/2 ยบ stretch or less. Essentially it is negligible stretch. Some good news. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf What about the chain guide on the IP side? After the pins are pulled, can it be slid out before the head is pulled? I am not worried about the banana rail the tensioner pushes on.it'll stay put as the head goes off and on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
The cracks I have seen in OM603 heads were between valve seats and from valve seat to pre-chamber. Also, don't forget the hydraulic compensator bleed down for each used lifter that you install. Did anyone mention that the cam-shaft bearing bolts have to be removed and installed in a specific sequence, engine at TDC for #1 cylinder? RTFM. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I did not need a hoist to pull the head off,ymmv. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Brought that along this trip. I figured this head is longer and more awkward, and depending on how much hardware I leave hang on it...could be heavier than a 4 cyl iron head. (621/615/616) Therefore, an engine hoist might be prudent for lifting the head. Engine hoist! I'm pretty sure I'm going to pull mine again. I'm thinking about leaving intake manifold attached this time, but the glow plug harness may be an issue. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Doesn't the HG kit come with it? I used a 606 HG well see how it comes out Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. Some pics (seemed like I took way more). http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Not the kit I had. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Doesn't the HG kit come with it? I used a 606 HG well see how it comes out Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cannot see photos. It wants me to sign in. Randy On 22/11/2012 2:31 PM, Rolf wrote: In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. Some pics (seemed like I took way more). http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yes. Weak point in front of #1 cylinder leaks oil into cylinder when it blows. If you don't catch it soon enough it will bend the #1 connecting rod. Can use dial gauge to measure distance pistons protrude from head at top of stroke. You have to pull engine and transmission together, then remove transmission to get to the bottom end. Specifications during reassembly say to torque head bolts wet as I recall. Dr. Booth was proponent of using Hylomar on the head gasket. -Dave Walton On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Rick Knoble wrote: A bad head gasket makes oil smoke? Oil from the oil passages gets into the combustion chambers? Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Not doing rings for a head gasket. On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Anything I am missing on these three lists? Piston rings? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Weak point in front of #1 cylinder leaks oil into cylinder when it blows. If you don't catch it soon enough it will bend the #1 connecting rod. Can use dial gauge to measure distance pistons protrude from head at top of stroke. You have to pull engine and transmission together, then remove transmission to get to the bottom end. Specifications during reassembly say to torque head bolts wet as I recall. Dr. Booth was proponent of using Hylomar on the head gasket. -Dave Walton On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Rick Knoble wrote: A bad head gasket makes oil smoke? Oil from the oil passages gets into the combustion chambers? Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Not doing rings for a head gasket. On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Anything I am missing on these three lists? Piston rings? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 21/11/2012 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ You need warm weather or a heated work space! Randy who has neither at the moment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
'Hope it goes well. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I had time and parts, that is no problem this week. 70s all week and sunny. If you would go 1700 miles due south, you'd be warmer too. On 21/11/2012 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ You need warm weather or a heated work space! Randy who has neither at the moment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
True enough. Would not want to do that outdoors down there come summer. Randy On 21/11/2012 4:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote: If I had time and parts, that is no problem this week. 70s all week and sunny. If you would go 1700 miles due south, you'd be warmer too. On 21/11/2012 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ You need warm weather or a heated work space! Randy who has neither at the moment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Depending on how it goes, you might need the ball bearing thrust washer pin puller for the chain guides. Might not since you indicate that you've replaced them recently. I found that my usual bolt, stack of washers and a socket did not work on the 603 head. New valve guides might be needed as well --- Be carefull pulling it all out if you leave the turbo attached to the head as you pull it out - the turbo oil supply line likes to get catch and bend in strange ways that make it a challenge to re-assemble. BTDT. Good luck! On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I think Rolf said the 606 turbo head gasket is preferred. I used the kit from Rusty, only thing missing was gasket for turbo oil drain to block. However, every other time I drive the car, the upper radiator hose gets pressurized. Head was pressure tested by machine shop. I may try tightening the head bolts. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Anything I am missing on these three lists? Piston rings? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Engine hoist! I'm pretty sure I'm going to pull mine again. I'm thinking about leaving intake manifold attached this time, but the glow plug harness may be an issue. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Depending on how it goes, you might need the ball bearing thrust washer pin puller for the chain guides. Might not since you indicate that you've replaced them recently. I found that my usual bolt, stack of washers and a socket did not work on the 603 head. New valve guides might be needed as well --- Be carefull pulling it all out if you leave the turbo attached to the head as you pull it out - the turbo oil supply line likes to get catch and bend in strange ways that make it a challenge to re-assemble. BTDT. Good luck! On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Not doing rings for a head gasket. On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Anything I am missing on these three lists? Piston rings? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Brought that along this trip. I figured this head is longer and more awkward, and depending on how much hardware I leave hang on it...could be heavier than a 4 cyl iron head. (621/615/616) Therefore, an engine hoist might be prudent for lifting the head. Engine hoist! I'm pretty sure I'm going to pull mine again. I'm thinking about leaving intake manifold attached this time, but the glow plug harness may be an issue. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Depending on how it goes, you might need the ball bearing thrust washer pin puller for the chain guides. Might not since you indicate that you've replaced them recently. I found that my usual bolt, stack of washers and a socket did not work on the 603 head. New valve guides might be needed as well --- Be carefull pulling it all out if you leave the turbo attached to the head as you pull it out - the turbo oil supply line likes to get catch and bend in strange ways that make it a challenge to re-assemble. BTDT. Good luck! -- OK Don 2001 ML320 I have managed so far with sockets and washers etc. I am not sure how much i will leave in the car and what I will leave on the head. I'm thinking the turbo may be best to leave hang on the exhaust pipe. But I can remove the drain tube and supply tube first. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Some notes from my head gasket job a couple years back: Make absolutely sure that oil supply pipe is free of the block when you attempt to remove the head, mine leaked after straightening it back out, never did get fixed (car was wrecked soon after). You need all new head bolts, if you re-use them they always fail to keep the gasket sealed. Gas engines are fine, the diesel is not. Absolutely check the valve guides, they are a known weak point. Easy to fix. Make absolutely POSITIVE that the machine shop installs them to factory specs (very little clearance) -- it's common around here to want them very sloppy for some reason. I got a rebuilt head with at least 0.010 side clearance, had to have the job redone before we could use the head (and new valve seats to boot). For just a gasket change, leave the injectors in, don't clean the pistons, and don't clean the head except in the seal area. Knocks like crazy for a couple days if you shine it all up. If you need to check for cracks, clean it, otherwise leave the carbon on. You can leave the turbo and exhaust manifold in place, much easier. However, you should also check the turbo for condition -- if there is ANY front to back play or roughness in rotation, the bearings are shot. It' not impossible for the front seal to be OK and the rear to leak, the damage is usually done by coked oil on the main shaft and it can eat out the rear seal first. Good luck -- your car will run MUCH better after you put the new gasket in. I need one as well, but it will have to wait until I get the suspension fixed, I'm out of free cash. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
When you get some more of that free cash, could you send me some of it? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket Some notes from my head gasket job a couple years back: Make absolutely sure that oil supply pipe is free of the block when you attempt to remove the head, mine leaked after straightening it back out, never did get fixed (car was wrecked soon after). You need all new head bolts, if you re-use them they always fail to keep the gasket sealed. Gas engines are fine, the diesel is not. Absolutely check the valve guides, they are a known weak point. Easy to fix. Make absolutely POSITIVE that the machine shop installs them to factory specs (very little clearance) -- it's common around here to want them very sloppy for some reason. I got a rebuilt head with at least 0.010 side clearance, had to have the job redone before we could use the head (and new valve seats to boot). For just a gasket change, leave the injectors in, don't clean the pistons, and don't clean the head except in the seal area. Knocks like crazy for a couple days if you shine it all up. If you need to check for cracks, clean it, otherwise leave the carbon on. You can leave the turbo and exhaust manifold in place, much easier. However, you should also check the turbo for condition -- if there is ANY front to back play or roughness in rotation, the bearings are shot. It' not impossible for the front seal to be OK and the rear to leak, the damage is usually done by coked oil on the main shaft and it can eat out the rear seal first. Good luck -- your car will run MUCH better after you put the new gasket in. I need one as well, but it will have to wait until I get the suspension fixed, I'm out of free cash. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Some notes from my head gasket job a couple years back: Make absolutely sure that oil supply pipe is free of the block when you attempt to remove the head, mine leaked after straightening it back out, never did get fixed (car was wrecked soon after). You need all new head bolts, if you re-use them they always fail to keep the gasket sealed. Gas engines are fine, the diesel is not. Absolutely check the valve guides, they are a known weak point. Easy to fix. Make absolutely POSITIVE that the machine shop installs them to factory specs (very little clearance) -- it's common around here to want them very sloppy for some reason. I got a rebuilt head with at least 0.010 side clearance, had to have the job redone before we could use the head (and new valve seats to boot). For just a gasket change, leave the injectors in, don't clean the pistons, and don't clean the head except in the seal area. Knocks like crazy for a couple days if you shine it all up. If you need to check for cracks, clean it, otherwise leave the carbon on. You can leave the turbo and exhaust manifold in place, much easier. However, you should also check the turbo for condition -- if there is ANY front to back play or roughness in rotation, the bearings are shot. It' not impossible for the front seal to be OK and the rear to leak, the damage is usually done by coked oil on the main shaft and it can eat out the rear seal first. Good luck -- your car will run MUCH better after you put the new gasket in. I need one as well, but it will have to wait until I get the suspension fixed, I'm out of free cash. Peter Thanks. About carbon and cracks: My experience is that the cracks show up in the carbon- IF you can keep it dry. So, I like to inspect the head with all the carbon in place. Keeping it dry is the hard part. Knowing where to look for cracks is also a good thing to know. Aside from the prechamber to the valves, as in the iron heads, I am not sure where else cracks on the aluminum heads. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
A bad head gasket makes oil smoke? Oil from the oil passages gets into the combustion chambers? Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Not doing rings for a head gasket. On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Anything I am missing on these three lists? Piston rings? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
