Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I've always been convinced that Ken isn’t really dead, he’s living somewhere in South America. His death was just too, too convenient. Someone with that kind of money probably wouldn’t find it hard to fake their passing. -D > On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:55

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-18 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Damn where is Enron when Texas needs it???  Ol Kenny Boy is dead and buried but maybe Jeffie could get some of the old crew (I think they are out of prison now) in the band back together! --FT On 2/17/21 6:37 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Underlying it all is an unregulated market

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2021-02-17 19:25, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: “Js”? I think that's a reference to the Jackass party, as opposed to the Elephant party. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2021-02-17 17:45, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There has been an undercurrent of Texit since the civil war. That was my thought. But I wonder if their grid independence streak is based on that afternoon about 15 years ago, when darn near the whole grid shut itself down, and nobody could

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>So a huge spike in demand means the price is infinite. Yep. The inverse is true also. Just like early last year when crude storage was full. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
“Js”? -D > On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:23 PM, greg via Mercedes wrote: > > My suspicion is that the "plan" is to use solar/wind in lieu of fossil > backup, but that the fossil backup could not come online because of the > freeze. If the fossil fuel plants had been running, they would not have >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread greg via Mercedes
My suspicion is that the "plan" is to use solar/wind in lieu of fossil backup, but that the fossil backup could not come online because of the freeze. If the fossil fuel plants had been running, they would not have frozen. My guess is that the media and the Js are probably lying that the fossil

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Underlying it all is an unregulated market with no cap on the price. So a huge spike in demand means the price is infinite. No one is going to pay that. So the power generators get shut off because no one is buying the electricity they produce at the prevailing market price. All very predictable.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Texas is dark because it has a nearly completely unregulated electricity market that is not tied in to the rest of the grid so the Feds can't regulate anything. The result is that no one is responsible for ensuring there is enough juice when a plant goes down and since they are isolated from

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yes, it's all very fishy from what they're telling us - smacks of gross incompetence. We had a single incidence of a "rolling blackout" due to the system not being able to meet demand - over a 14 state area. I lasted about an hour and 15 minutes. On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:50 PM Floyd Thursby via

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
So the reporting now is that pipes moving gas have frozen up, meters and sensors and such have frozen up, and all that mitigates against producing electrons at nukes and fossil PPs. None of that makes sense to me.  I can see where not having interconnections (which was the issue like 10yr ago

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
There has been an undercurrent of Texit since the civil war. On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:20 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The decisions that limit current Texas power sharing were made long before > anyone heard of TEXIT. > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Perceived temperature are greatly influenced by sunshine, wind, and humidity. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 12:40 PM To: OK Don via Mercedes Cc: Randy Bennell Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
The decisions that limit current Texas power sharing were made long before anyone heard of TEXIT. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 4:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 2:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Rick Knoble Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark >How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to when it comes to a basic need like electrical power? Because we are head

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Apparently they knew there would be problems ten years ago, but haven't had the will to do anything about it. This mostly stems from their latent desire to succeed from the union anyway, so why would they want federal involvement in their power generation/distribution? On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that Texan’s power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing to do with wind turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of their total grid output on a windy day. He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity”

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as they are >elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any real >>consideration of what we want. Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true constituents, the lobbiests. Rick

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Probably, because politicians always think they know what is best for us. They pretend to listen during the election campaign but so soon as they are elected they do whatever they think they want to without any real consideration of what we want. On 17/02/2021 1:50 PM, Rick Knoble via

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
IIRC in 2011 they had some similar cold weather and problems. I don't know if it was just overloading capacity or if "freezing equipment" was a part of it. At that time, the Texas grid was pretty much isolated from other regional grids. I think they have added some interconnects since then, but

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Good points, I believe there is a Public Service Commission in Texas that "oversees" the power companies (to such an extent that that even works, witness SC for a shining example of failure), to keep the "greed" in check, more or less.  They in turn answer to the voters through their elected

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to when >it comes to a basic need like electrical power? Because we are heading into another "Dark Ages". The age of enlightenment is over. Too pessimistic? Rick As a side project, do some research into what political

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I think the truth is that both the "greedy" power companies and the "green" power forced by the government have a share of the blame, and so I would rewind the clock to a point in time when the green power was not there, and see if there were similar power outages in cold weather events. If

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
It finally stopped snowing a little while ago and now the sun is out. It’s 22 and I have not been outside yet but it looks nice. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Very true. I’ve always found it far more enjoyable when it’s cold and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Very true. I’ve always found it far more enjoyable when it’s cold and the sun is out. It’s cold here today - 60F when I ran out at noon to grab some food for lunch. I have shorts on but had to turn on the heat in my car…. -D > On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
It is truly amazing how much difference a few degrees seems to make. Also, how much warmer it feels outside at noon if the sun is shining than it does in the evening when the sun has gone down, even if the actual temperature is about the same. Randy On 17/02/2021 11:31 AM, OK Don via

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It's all relative - it almost felt warm this morning when I went out to feed the birds at +12°F compared to -12°F two days ago. When the average "cold" temp is 45, 29 will be very cold. On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:26 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I noticed that

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to be 29F and the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high for today here in Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service labels it "Sunny"... -Curt On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 12:21:46 PM EST, Floyd

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
So this morning this has been a topic of faecesbook discussion, primarily by my more liberal friends, who blame the greed of the power companies for not "winterizing" the pipelines. Apparently some politicos have asserted that power plants are "frozen" (for reasons not stated); hence, cannot

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The Fakebook has once again provided the "A tea candle under a terracotta pot will heat a room almost for free" for those who don't know anything about heat... -Curt On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 5:39:24 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Unfortunately some people are just

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Unfortunately some people are just either stupid or ignorant. Already saw a news report of a family in Texas that killed mother and one kid and sent father and another kid to the hospital because they tried to stay warm by running their car in the garage. Another family was burning charcoal inside

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Probably almost none. Its not that cold, and it won't be cold for all that long... Blankets, the most efficient way to not freeze to death. -Curt On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 5:28:43 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Definitely green in that sense, the lack of wisdom and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Definitely green in that sense, the lack of wisdom and applied critical thinking is appalling.  How many Texans will freeze to death due to this stupidity?  Max Dillon Charleston SC Feb 16, 2021 1:02:45 PM G Mann via Mercedes : > There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Another example of the six P's : Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance - the only thing I learned in two years of ROTC. On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations > >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Grant, do you have solar PV panels on your sunny roof? On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 1:02 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the wisdom to use > the experience they had was called "Green". > > Thus came "Green Energy".. > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at

Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

2021-02-16 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the wisdom to use the experience they had was called "Green". Thus came "Green Energy".. On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >