Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I've always been convinced that Ken 
isn’t really dead, he’s living somewhere in South America. His death was just 
too, too convenient. Someone with that kind of money probably wouldn’t find it 
hard to fake their passing.

-D

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Damn where is Enron when Texas needs it???  Ol Kenny Boy is dead and buried 
> but maybe Jeffie could get some of the old crew (I think they are out of 
> prison now) in the band back together!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 2/17/21 6:37 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Underlying it all is an unregulated market with no cap on the price. So a
>> huge spike in demand means the price is infinite. No one is going to pay
>> that. So the power generators get shut off because no one is buying the
>> electricity they produce at the prevailing market price. All very
>> predictable. A black swan event. This is why there are trading limits in
>> the stock market. Otherwise everything becomes very illiquid very quickly.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Damn where is Enron when Texas needs it???  Ol Kenny Boy is dead and 
buried but maybe Jeffie could get some of the old crew (I think they are 
out of prison now) in the band back together!


--FT

On 2/17/21 6:37 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Underlying it all is an unregulated market with no cap on the price. So a
huge spike in demand means the price is infinite. No one is going to pay
that. So the power generators get shut off because no one is buying the
electricity they produce at the prevailing market price. All very
predictable. A black swan event. This is why there are trading limits in
the stock market. Otherwise everything becomes very illiquid very quickly.


--
--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-02-17 19:25, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

“Js”?


I think that's a reference to the Jackass party, as opposed to the 
Elephant party.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-02-17 17:45, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

There has been an undercurrent of Texit since the civil war.



That was my thought.
But I wonder if their grid independence streak is based on that 
afternoon about 15 years ago, when darn near the whole grid shut itself 
down, and nobody could turn it back on for several hours.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>So a
huge spike in demand means the price is infinite.

Yep. The inverse is true also.  Just like early last year when crude storage 
was full.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“Js”?

-D

> On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:23 PM, greg via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> My suspicion is that the "plan" is to use solar/wind in lieu of fossil
> backup, but that the fossil backup could not come online because of the
> freeze. If the fossil fuel plants had been running, they would not have
> frozen.
> 
> My guess is that the media and the Js are probably lying that the fossil
> fuel was mainly to blame for the TX power outages. Guessing they are lying
> is the safest bet, based on their past performance.
> 
> Greg
> 
>> So the reporting now is that pipes moving gas have frozen up, meters and
>> sensors and such have frozen up, and all that mitigates against
>> producing electrons at nukes and fossil PPs. None of that makes sense to
>> me.  I can see where not having interconnections (which was the issue
>> like 10yr ago when the wind died on NYDay and all the wind machines in
>> West Texas shut down in a few minutes) limit pulling in power but I
>> don't get how cold weather (and not "winterizing") cuts down on base
>> load and peaking plants not working.  Makes no sense to me.
>> 
>> Wind at 20% is quite a bit, esp on really cold days when the demand is
>> as high as in hot days in the summer.  I don't know if there was a
>> problem spinning up plants, or lack of fuel supply, or what, but the
>> cold being a factor in delivering fuel or operating fossil or nuke
>> plants is kinda strange.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 2/17/21 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that
>>> Texan’s power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing
>>> to do with wind turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of
>>> their total grid output on a windy day.
>>> 
>>> He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity” about being able to
>>> produce large amounts of power for their own consumption, and as a
>>> result have done little to improve or increase their interconnectivity
>>> with the national grid. As a result, their ability to import power is
>>> severely limited, resulting in the current (no pun intended) situation.
>>> Their generating capacity has been hobbled by the weather, and they
>>> don’t have big enough pipes to bring enough additional power in to
>>> offset the loss in generating capacity.
>>> 
>>> While he didn’t say it, the implication was that there are going to be
>>> a lot of people in the business playing the “I told you so” card
>>> with them in the future…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Feb 17, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as
> they are elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any
> real >consideration of what we want.
 Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true
 constituents, the lobbiests.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[greg via Mercedes]

My suspicion is that the "plan" is to use solar/wind in lieu of fossil
backup, but that the fossil backup could not come online because of the
freeze. If the fossil fuel plants had been running, they would not have
frozen.

My guess is that the media and the Js are probably lying that the fossil
fuel was mainly to blame for the TX power outages. Guessing they are lying
is the safest bet, based on their past performance.

Greg

> So the reporting now is that pipes moving gas have frozen up, meters and
> sensors and such have frozen up, and all that mitigates against
> producing electrons at nukes and fossil PPs. None of that makes sense to
> me.  I can see where not having interconnections (which was the issue
> like 10yr ago when the wind died on NYDay and all the wind machines in
> West Texas shut down in a few minutes) limit pulling in power but I
> don't get how cold weather (and not "winterizing") cuts down on base
> load and peaking plants not working.  Makes no sense to me.
>
> Wind at 20% is quite a bit, esp on really cold days when the demand is
> as high as in hot days in the summer.  I don't know if there was a
> problem spinning up plants, or lack of fuel supply, or what, but the
> cold being a factor in delivering fuel or operating fossil or nuke
> plants is kinda strange.
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/17/21 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that
>> Texan’s power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing
>> to do with wind turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of
>> their total grid output on a windy day.
>>
>> He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity” about being able to
>> produce large amounts of power for their own consumption, and as a
>> result have done little to improve or increase their interconnectivity
>> with the national grid. As a result, their ability to import power is
>> severely limited, resulting in the current (no pun intended) situation.
>> Their generating capacity has been hobbled by the weather, and they
>> don’t have big enough pipes to bring enough additional power in to
>> offset the loss in generating capacity.
>>
>> While he didn’t say it, the implication was that there are going to be
>> a lot of people in the business playing the “I told you so” card
>> with them in the future…
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as
 they are elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any
 real >consideration of what we want.
>>> Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true
>>> constituents, the lobbiests.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Underlying it all is an unregulated market with no cap on the price. So a
huge spike in demand means the price is infinite. No one is going to pay
that. So the power generators get shut off because no one is buying the
electricity they produce at the prevailing market price. All very
predictable. A black swan event. This is why there are trading limits in
the stock market. Otherwise everything becomes very illiquid very quickly.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:57 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yes, it's all very fishy from what they're telling us - smacks of gross
> incompetence. We had a single incidence of a "rolling blackout" due to the
> system not being able to meet demand - over a 14 state area. I lasted about
> an hour and 15 minutes.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:50 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So the reporting now is that pipes moving gas have frozen up, meters and
> > sensors and such have frozen up, and all that mitigates against
> > producing electrons at nukes and fossil PPs. None of that makes sense to
> > me.  I can see where not having interconnections (which was the issue
> > like 10yr ago when the wind died on NYDay and all the wind machines in
> > West Texas shut down in a few minutes) limit pulling in power but I
> > don't get how cold weather (and not "winterizing") cuts down on base
> > load and peaking plants not working.  Makes no sense to me.
> >
> > Wind at 20% is quite a bit, esp on really cold days when the demand is
> > as high as in hot days in the summer.  I don't know if there was a
> > problem spinning up plants, or lack of fuel supply, or what, but the
> > cold being a factor in delivering fuel or operating fossil or nuke
> > plants is kinda strange.
> >
> > --FT
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
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> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Texas is dark because it has a nearly completely unregulated electricity market 
that is not tied in to the rest of the grid so the Feds can't regulate 
anything.  The result is that no one is responsible for ensuring there is 
enough juice when a plant goes down and since they are isolated from the rest 
of the nation, cannot purchase power to supplement.

Perfect example of why energy supplies became regulated utilities after the 
1920s, and why they should be regulated now.

Sadly no one in the business remembers 1989 any more, the last time Texas had 
this kind of weather.  Much more regulated market then, and while I remember 
that there were blackouts and transmission line damage, I don't think it was 
anywhere near this bad.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, it's all very fishy from what they're telling us - smacks of gross
incompetence. We had a single incidence of a "rolling blackout" due to the
system not being able to meet demand - over a 14 state area. I lasted about
an hour and 15 minutes.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:50 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So the reporting now is that pipes moving gas have frozen up, meters and
> sensors and such have frozen up, and all that mitigates against
> producing electrons at nukes and fossil PPs. None of that makes sense to
> me.  I can see where not having interconnections (which was the issue
> like 10yr ago when the wind died on NYDay and all the wind machines in
> West Texas shut down in a few minutes) limit pulling in power but I
> don't get how cold weather (and not "winterizing") cuts down on base
> load and peaking plants not working.  Makes no sense to me.
>
> Wind at 20% is quite a bit, esp on really cold days when the demand is
> as high as in hot days in the summer.  I don't know if there was a
> problem spinning up plants, or lack of fuel supply, or what, but the
> cold being a factor in delivering fuel or operating fossil or nuke
> plants is kinda strange.
>
> --FT
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So the reporting now is that pipes moving gas have frozen up, meters and 
sensors and such have frozen up, and all that mitigates against 
producing electrons at nukes and fossil PPs. None of that makes sense to 
me.  I can see where not having interconnections (which was the issue 
like 10yr ago when the wind died on NYDay and all the wind machines in 
West Texas shut down in a few minutes) limit pulling in power but I 
don't get how cold weather (and not "winterizing") cuts down on base 
load and peaking plants not working.  Makes no sense to me.


Wind at 20% is quite a bit, esp on really cold days when the demand is 
as high as in hot days in the summer.  I don't know if there was a 
problem spinning up plants, or lack of fuel supply, or what, but the 
cold being a factor in delivering fuel or operating fossil or nuke 
plants is kinda strange.


--FT

On 2/17/21 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that Texan’s 
power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing to do with wind 
turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of their total grid output on 
a windy day.

He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity” about being able to produce large 
amounts of power for their own consumption, and as a result have done little to 
improve or increase their interconnectivity with the national grid. As a 
result, their ability to import power is severely limited, resulting in the 
current (no pun intended) situation. Their generating capacity has been hobbled 
by the weather, and they don’t have big enough pipes to bring enough additional 
power in to offset the loss in generating capacity.

While he didn’t say it, the implication was that there are going to be a lot of 
people in the business playing the “I told you so” card with them in the future…

-D


On Feb 17, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:


They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as they are elected 
they do >whatever they think they want to without any real >consideration of what 
we want.

Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true 
constituents, the lobbiests.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[OK Don via Mercedes]

There has been an undercurrent of Texit since the civil war.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:20 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The decisions that limit current Texas power sharing were made long before
> anyone heard of TEXIT.
>
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Perceived temperature are greatly influenced by sunshine, wind, and humidity.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 12:40 PM
To: OK Don via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

It is truly amazing how much difference a few degrees seems to make.
Also, how much warmer it feels outside at noon if the sun is shining than it 
does in the evening when the sun has gone down, even if the actual temperature 
is about the same.

Randy


On 17/02/2021 11:31 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> It's all relative - it almost felt warm this morning when I went out 
> to feed the birds at +12°F compared to -12°F two days ago. When the 
> average "cold" temp is 45, 29 will be very cold.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:26 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>   I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to 
>> be 29F and the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high 
>> for today here in Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service 
>> labels it "Sunny"...
>> -Curt
>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The decisions that limit current Texas power sharing were made long before 
anyone heard of TEXIT.  

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

Apparently they knew there would be problems ten years ago, but haven't had the 
will to do anything about it. This mostly stems from their latent desire to 
succeed from the union anyway, so why would they want federal involvement in 
their power generation/distribution?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:13 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that 
> Texan’s power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing 
> to do with wind turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of 
> their total grid output on a windy day.
>
> He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity” about being able to produce 
> large amounts of power for their own consumption, and as a result have 
> done little to improve or increase their interconnectivity with the 
> national grid. As a result, their ability to import power is severely 
> limited, resulting in the current (no pun intended) situation. Their 
> generating capacity has been hobbled by the weather, and they don’t 
> have big enough pipes to bring enough additional power in to offset 
> the loss in generating capacity.
>
> While he didn’t say it, the implication was that there are going to be 
> a lot of people in the business playing the “I told you so” card with 
> them in the future…
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 17, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as
> they are elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any 
> real
> >consideration of what we want.
> >
> > Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true
> constituents, the lobbiests.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That was my thought, exactly.  Ignorance and superstition rule. Higher
education has become nothing more than plush, overpriced re-education camps.
Let the witch trials begin for anyone that rejects the new religion of
GREEN.

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>How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to
when it comes to a basic need like electrical power?

Because we are heading into another "Dark Ages".
The age of enlightenment is over.

Too pessimistic?

Rick

As a side project, do some research into what political system was
controlling Europe during said period.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Apparently they knew there would be problems ten years ago, but haven't had
the will to do anything about it. This mostly stems from their latent
desire to succeed from the union anyway, so why would they want federal
involvement in their power generation/distribution?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:13 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that
> Texan’s power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing to do
> with wind turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of their total
> grid output on a windy day.
>
> He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity” about being able to produce
> large amounts of power for their own consumption, and as a result have done
> little to improve or increase their interconnectivity with the national
> grid. As a result, their ability to import power is severely limited,
> resulting in the current (no pun intended) situation. Their generating
> capacity has been hobbled by the weather, and they don’t have big enough
> pipes to bring enough additional power in to offset the loss in generating
> capacity.
>
> While he didn’t say it, the implication was that there are going to be a
> lot of people in the business playing the “I told you so” card with them in
> the future…
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 17, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as
> they are elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any real
> >consideration of what we want.
> >
> > Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true
> constituents, the lobbiests.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I checked with a buddy in the industry this morning, and he said that Texan’s 
power woes are of their own doing, and have little to nothing to do with wind 
turbines, which he said consist of less than 20% of their total grid output on 
a windy day.

He said that Texas has been a bit “uppity” about being able to produce large 
amounts of power for their own consumption, and as a result have done little to 
improve or increase their interconnectivity with the national grid. As a 
result, their ability to import power is severely limited, resulting in the 
current (no pun intended) situation. Their generating capacity has been hobbled 
by the weather, and they don’t have big enough pipes to bring enough additional 
power in to offset the loss in generating capacity.

While he didn’t say it, the implication was that there are going to be a lot of 
people in the business playing the “I told you so” card with them in the future…

-D

> On Feb 17, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as they are 
>> elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any real 
>> >consideration of what we want.
> 
> Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true 
> constituents, the lobbiests.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>They pretend to listen during the election >campaign but so soon as they are 
>elected they do >whatever they think they want to without any real 
>>consideration of what we want.

Close. The politicians do whatever they are paid to do by their true 
constituents, the lobbiests.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Probably, because politicians always think they know what is best for 
us. They pretend to listen during the election campaign but so soon as 
they are elected they do whatever they think they want to without any 
real consideration of what we want.




On 17/02/2021 1:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to when it 
comes to a basic need like electrical power?

Because we are heading into another "Dark Ages".
The age of enlightenment is over.

Too pessimistic?

Rick

As a side project, do some research into what political system was controlling 
Europe during said period.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

IIRC in 2011 they had some similar cold weather and problems. I don't
know if it was just overloading capacity or if "freezing equipment" was
a part of it. At that time, the Texas grid was pretty much isolated from
other regional grids. I think they have added some interconnects since
then, but they are still not frequency-synced to the other grids so it's
still a bit complicated to import power into Texas.

Allan

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> I think the truth is that both the "greedy" power companies and the "green"
> power forced by the government have a share of the blame, and so I would
> rewind the clock to a point in time when the green power was not there, and
> see if there were similar power outages in cold weather events.  If
> removing the green power from the situation results in stable power during
> unusual cold, then I guess you have your answer.
>
> How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to
> when it comes to a basic need like electrical power?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Good points, I believe there is a Public Service Commission in Texas 
that "oversees" the power companies (to such an extent that that even 
works, witness SC for a shining example of failure), to keep the "greed" 
in check, more or less.  They in turn answer to the voters through their 
elected "representatives" if it works the same there as here.  So 
ultimately the voters, all of whom are consumers of electrons, have a 
say in how their electrons are generated and delivered.


So ultimately those dying or complaining or freezing in the dark are 
accountable for their own situation.  Now whether they are smart enough 
to make those decisions is quite debatable and the answer, based on what 
we are now seeing, is NO.  My D acquaintances say only Ds can deliver 
electrons effectively without causing environmental issues in creating 
them, but of course we need to get rid of the "greed" and Rs first, then 
things will move forward.  No mention of costs or anything like that, 
but they seem to know it can be done once Rs and "greed" are 
eliminated.  People are dying and "we" need to stop that!  Whatever it 
costs!


These are my observations of today's conversations, i find the level of 
partisan (on both sides) ignorance and stupidity rather disheartening.


--FT

On 2/17/21 2:30 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I think the truth is that both the "greedy" power companies and the "green"
power forced by the government have a share of the blame, and so I would
rewind the clock to a point in time when the green power was not there, and
see if there were similar power outages in cold weather events.  If
removing the green power from the situation results in stable power during
unusual cold, then I guess you have your answer.

How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to
when it comes to a basic need like electrical power?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 12:21 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


So this morning this has been a topic of faecesbook discussion,
primarily by my more liberal friends, who blame the greed of the power
companies for not "winterizing" the pipelines. Apparently some politicos
have asserted that power plants are "frozen" (for reasons not stated);
hence, cannot supply power.  The aforementioned liberal friends believe
the gas has frozen in the pipelines because they were not insulated or
heated.  I pointed out the contributions (or, in this case, the lack
thereof) of wind and solar in freezing and snow conditions, and how they
are incapable of operating in these conditions.  The aforementioned
liberal friends believe the wind machines and solar panels could have
been "winterized" as in some European countries where they continue to
operate in adverse conditions.

I pointed out that sure, that is possible, but at what cost, and for a
variable ("green") supplier that is dependent on uncontrollable factors
(wind, sun, storms, etc.), adverse for some minimal time of the year.
Greed prevents it!

As far as the pipelines go, I pointed out you can't run compressors and
pumps on electricity that is unavailable, whether from wind/solar or
generating units that can't get NG because the electric pumps and
compressors can't get electrons because they can't get NG to run the
pumps/compressors because

Greed! People are dying because of Republican Greed!  Making economic
arguments is nonsensical when people are dying due to Republican Greed!

I give up.  The level of discourse that ignores basic economics,
technology, science, even political decision-making, and relies instead
on feelings and a religion of R/D worship, is appallingly inadequate
to deal with the issues we face.  It is sad.  I have no particular
aversion to "green" sources of power if they make sense in the mix
(based on all those factors), but apparently pointing out that "green"
sources have limitations that need to be accounted for or compensated
for is somehow Republican Greed!  People are dying!

There is no basis for any rational discussion any more.  It is sad.

Back to our favorite cars to hate...

--FT

On 2/16/21 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations

An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the

foot.

"Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas

flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or
some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
or security reasons."

A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.

   https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to when 
>it comes to a basic need like electrical power?

Because we are heading into another "Dark Ages".
The age of enlightenment is over.

Too pessimistic?

Rick

As a side project, do some research into what political system was controlling 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I think the truth is that both the "greedy" power companies and the "green"
power forced by the government have a share of the blame, and so I would
rewind the clock to a point in time when the green power was not there, and
see if there were similar power outages in cold weather events.  If
removing the green power from the situation results in stable power during
unusual cold, then I guess you have your answer.

How come the experts (engineers) and the scientists are not listened to
when it comes to a basic need like electrical power?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 12:21 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So this morning this has been a topic of faecesbook discussion,
> primarily by my more liberal friends, who blame the greed of the power
> companies for not "winterizing" the pipelines. Apparently some politicos
> have asserted that power plants are "frozen" (for reasons not stated);
> hence, cannot supply power.  The aforementioned liberal friends believe
> the gas has frozen in the pipelines because they were not insulated or
> heated.  I pointed out the contributions (or, in this case, the lack
> thereof) of wind and solar in freezing and snow conditions, and how they
> are incapable of operating in these conditions.  The aforementioned
> liberal friends believe the wind machines and solar panels could have
> been "winterized" as in some European countries where they continue to
> operate in adverse conditions.
>
> I pointed out that sure, that is possible, but at what cost, and for a
> variable ("green") supplier that is dependent on uncontrollable factors
> (wind, sun, storms, etc.), adverse for some minimal time of the year.
> Greed prevents it!
>
> As far as the pipelines go, I pointed out you can't run compressors and
> pumps on electricity that is unavailable, whether from wind/solar or
> generating units that can't get NG because the electric pumps and
> compressors can't get electrons because they can't get NG to run the
> pumps/compressors because
>
> Greed! People are dying because of Republican Greed!  Making economic
> arguments is nonsensical when people are dying due to Republican Greed!
>
> I give up.  The level of discourse that ignores basic economics,
> technology, science, even political decision-making, and relies instead
> on feelings and a religion of R/D worship, is appallingly inadequate
> to deal with the issues we face.  It is sad.  I have no particular
> aversion to "green" sources of power if they make sense in the mix
> (based on all those factors), but apparently pointing out that "green"
> sources have limitations that need to be accounted for or compensated
> for is somehow Republican Greed!  People are dying!
>
> There is no basis for any rational discussion any more.  It is sad.
>
> Back to our favorite cars to hate...
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/16/21 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
> >
> > An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the
> foot.
> >
> > "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas
> flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or
> some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
> or security reasons."
> >
> > A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
> >
> >   https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It finally stopped snowing a little while ago and now the sun is out. It’s 22 
and I have not been outside yet but it looks nice. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Very true. I’ve always found it far more enjoyable when it’s cold and the 
> sun is out.
> 
> It’s cold here today - 60F when I ran out at noon to grab some food for 
> lunch. I have shorts on but had to turn on the heat in my car….
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is truly amazing how much difference a few degrees seems to make.
>> Also, how much warmer it feels outside at noon if the sun is shining than it 
>> does in the evening when the sun has gone down, even if the actual 
>> temperature is about the same.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/02/2021 11:31 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It's all relative - it almost felt warm this morning when I went out to
>>> feed the birds at +12°F compared to -12°F two days ago. When the average
>>> "cold" temp is 45, 29 will be very cold.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:26 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to be 29F
 and the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high for today
 here in Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service labels it
 "Sunny"...
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Very true. I’ve always found it far more enjoyable when it’s cold and the sun 
is out.

It’s cold here today - 60F when I ran out at noon to grab some food for lunch. 
I have shorts on but had to turn on the heat in my car….

-D

> On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is truly amazing how much difference a few degrees seems to make.
> Also, how much warmer it feels outside at noon if the sun is shining than it 
> does in the evening when the sun has gone down, even if the actual 
> temperature is about the same.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 17/02/2021 11:31 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> It's all relative - it almost felt warm this morning when I went out to
>> feed the birds at +12°F compared to -12°F two days ago. When the average
>> "cold" temp is 45, 29 will be very cold.
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:26 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to be 29F
>>> and the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high for today
>>> here in Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service labels it
>>> "Sunny"...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

It is truly amazing how much difference a few degrees seems to make.
Also, how much warmer it feels outside at noon if the sun is shining 
than it does in the evening when the sun has gone down, even if the 
actual temperature is about the same.


Randy


On 17/02/2021 11:31 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

It's all relative - it almost felt warm this morning when I went out to
feed the birds at +12°F compared to -12°F two days ago. When the average
"cold" temp is 45, 29 will be very cold.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:26 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


  I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to be 29F
and the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high for today
here in Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service labels it
"Sunny"...
-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's all relative - it almost felt warm this morning when I went out to
feed the birds at +12°F compared to -12°F two days ago. When the average
"cold" temp is 45, 29 will be very cold.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:26 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to be 29F
> and the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high for today
> here in Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service labels it
> "Sunny"...
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I noticed that for Thursday the high temp in Dallas is supposed to be 29F and 
the national weather service labels it as "Cold".The high for today here in 
Winchendon is 24F and the national weather service labels it "Sunny"...
-Curt

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 12:21:46 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 So this morning this has been a topic of faecesbook discussion, 
primarily by my more liberal friends, who blame the greed of the power 
companies for not "winterizing" the pipelines. Apparently some politicos 
have asserted that power plants are "frozen" (for reasons not stated); 
hence, cannot supply power.  The aforementioned liberal friends believe 
the gas has frozen in the pipelines because they were not insulated or 
heated.  I pointed out the contributions (or, in this case, the lack 
thereof) of wind and solar in freezing and snow conditions, and how they 
are incapable of operating in these conditions.  The aforementioned 
liberal friends believe the wind machines and solar panels could have 
been "winterized" as in some European countries where they continue to 
operate in adverse conditions.

I pointed out that sure, that is possible, but at what cost, and for a 
variable ("green") supplier that is dependent on uncontrollable factors 
(wind, sun, storms, etc.), adverse for some minimal time of the year. 
Greed prevents it!

As far as the pipelines go, I pointed out you can't run compressors and 
pumps on electricity that is unavailable, whether from wind/solar or 
generating units that can't get NG because the electric pumps and 
compressors can't get electrons because they can't get NG to run the 
pumps/compressors because

Greed! People are dying because of Republican Greed!  Making economic 
arguments is nonsensical when people are dying due to Republican Greed!

I give up.  The level of discourse that ignores basic economics, 
technology, science, even political decision-making, and relies instead 
on feelings and a religion of R/D worship, is appallingly inadequate 
to deal with the issues we face.  It is sad.  I have no particular 
aversion to "green" sources of power if they make sense in the mix 
(based on all those factors), but apparently pointing out that "green" 
sources have limitations that need to be accounted for or compensated 
for is somehow Republican Greed!  People are dying!

There is no basis for any rational discussion any more.  It is sad.

Back to our favorite cars to hate...

--FT

On 2/16/21 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
>
> An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the foot.
>
> "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas flowing 
> through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or some of 
> the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental or security 
> reasons."
>
> A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
>
>  https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So this morning this has been a topic of faecesbook discussion, 
primarily by my more liberal friends, who blame the greed of the power 
companies for not "winterizing" the pipelines. Apparently some politicos 
have asserted that power plants are "frozen" (for reasons not stated); 
hence, cannot supply power.  The aforementioned liberal friends believe 
the gas has frozen in the pipelines because they were not insulated or 
heated.  I pointed out the contributions (or, in this case, the lack 
thereof) of wind and solar in freezing and snow conditions, and how they 
are incapable of operating in these conditions.  The aforementioned 
liberal friends believe the wind machines and solar panels could have 
been "winterized" as in some European countries where they continue to 
operate in adverse conditions.


I pointed out that sure, that is possible, but at what cost, and for a 
variable ("green") supplier that is dependent on uncontrollable factors 
(wind, sun, storms, etc.), adverse for some minimal time of the year. 
Greed prevents it!


As far as the pipelines go, I pointed out you can't run compressors and 
pumps on electricity that is unavailable, whether from wind/solar or 
generating units that can't get NG because the electric pumps and 
compressors can't get electrons because they can't get NG to run the 
pumps/compressors because


Greed! People are dying because of Republican Greed!  Making economic 
arguments is nonsensical when people are dying due to Republican Greed!


I give up.  The level of discourse that ignores basic economics, 
technology, science, even political decision-making, and relies instead 
on feelings and a religion of R/D worship, is appallingly inadequate 
to deal with the issues we face.  It is sad.  I have no particular 
aversion to "green" sources of power if they make sense in the mix 
(based on all those factors), but apparently pointing out that "green" 
sources have limitations that need to be accounted for or compensated 
for is somehow Republican Greed!  People are dying!


There is no basis for any rational discussion any more.  It is sad.

Back to our favorite cars to hate...

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On 2/16/21 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations

An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the foot.

"Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas flowing through 
the station, although in some areas of the country, all or some of the units may be 
electrically powered primarily for environmental or security reasons."

A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.

  https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The Fakebook has once again provided the "A tea candle under a terracotta pot 
will heat a room almost for free" for those who don't know anything about 
heat...
-Curt

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 5:39:24 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Unfortunately some people are just either stupid or ignorant. Already
saw a news report of a family in Texas that killed mother and one kid
and sent father and another kid to the hospital because they tried to
stay warm by running their car in the garage. Another family was burning
charcoal inside the house and fortunately were only sickened.

Allan

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  Probably almost none. Its not that cold, and it won't be cold for all that 
>long...
> Blankets, the most efficient way to not freeze to death.
> -Curt
>
>    On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 5:28:43 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
>  
>  Definitely green in that sense, the lack of wisdom and applied critical 
>thinking is appalling.  How many Texans will freeze to death due to this 
>stupidity? 
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Unfortunately some people are just either stupid or ignorant. Already
saw a news report of a family in Texas that killed mother and one kid
and sent father and another kid to the hospital because they tried to
stay warm by running their car in the garage. Another family was burning
charcoal inside the house and fortunately were only sickened.

Allan

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  Probably almost none. Its not that cold, and it won't be cold for all that 
> long...
> Blankets, the most efficient way to not freeze to death.
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 5:28:43 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  Definitely green in that sense, the lack of wisdom and applied critical 
> thinking is appalling.  How many Texans will freeze to death due to this 
> stupidity? 
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Probably almost none. Its not that cold, and it won't be cold for all that 
long...
Blankets, the most efficient way to not freeze to death.
-Curt

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 5:28:43 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Definitely green in that sense, the lack of wisdom and applied critical 
thinking is appalling.  How many Texans will freeze to death due to this 
stupidity? 

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Feb 16, 2021 1:02:45 PM G Mann via Mercedes :

> There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the wisdom to use
> the experience they had was called "Green".
> 
> Thus came "Green Energy"..
> 
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
>> 
>> An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the
>> foot.
>> 
>> "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas
>> flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or
>> some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
>> or security reasons."
>> 
>> A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
>> 
>> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Definitely green in that sense, the lack of wisdom and applied critical 
thinking is appalling.  How many Texans will freeze to death due to this 
stupidity? 

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Feb 16, 2021 1:02:45 PM G Mann via Mercedes :

> There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the wisdom to use
> the experience they had was called "Green".
> 
> Thus came "Green Energy"..
> 
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
>> 
>> An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the
>> foot.
>> 
>> "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas
>> flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or
>> some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
>> or security reasons."
>> 
>> A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
>> 
>> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Another example of the six P's :
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance - the only thing I learned in
two years of ROTC.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
>
> An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the
> foot.
>
> "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas
> flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or
> some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
> or security reasons."
>
> A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
>
>  https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Grant, do you have solar PV panels on your sunny roof?

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 1:02 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the wisdom to use
> the experience they had was called "Green".
>
> Thus came "Green Energy"..
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
> >
> > An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the
> > foot.
> >
> > "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas
> > flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all
> or
> > some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
> > or security reasons."
> >
> > A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
> >
> >  https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Here Is Why Texas Is Dark

[G Mann via Mercedes]

There was a time when someone who had no experience, or the wisdom to use
the experience they had was called "Green".

Thus came "Green Energy"..

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://extension.psu.edu/understanding-natural-gas-compressor-stations
>
> An excerpt from the article, bold is mine. They shot themselves in the
> foot.
>
> "Most compressor stations are fueled by a portion of the natural gas
> flowing through the station, although in some areas of the country, all or
> some of the units may be electrically powered primarily for environmental
> or security reasons."
>
> A good Op-ed piece on "green energy" and the situation in Texas.
>
>  https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603
>
> Rick
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