Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
On 2021-07-15 14:25, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Most utilities will coordinate pulling and replacing a meter without too much hassle. You break the seal and you’re in for some serious hurt. Sometimes they want to see your county permit before they turn the power back on, which is a hassle when you weren't engaged in a permitted project in the first place. I'd like to get rid of my aluminum service hookup, but I'm not paying four digits for a licensed electrician to run three 10' pieces of 3/0 wire in an existing conduit. Along with the fact that I never willingly give money to anybody who is or was an IBEW member. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
Some of the smart meters go over the power lines, and some use essentially a built-in cellular modem. There was something of a scandal in the aftermath of the Texas power outages last winter. The meters leak information and someone figured out how to tell which meters never lost power. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/hacker-smart-meter-texas-snowstorm/ On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > haha yeah right. We have these "smart" meters now that report usage > back to some central monitor, I guess over the power lines. The powerco > will know immediately if you pull the meter as the signal will cease to > ping and it will show as an outage so a truck will be dispatched... I > let this kid hunt on my vast estate, he is now an area supervisor for > the powerco, so if I need anything done I text him a msg and he usually > shows up right quick, or has one of his guys come. > > The pole next to a trailer on a property I am renting on Wadmalaw Island > rotted at the base and fell over last year, the power never went off but > there were live lines on the ground, no bueno. I asked him if he could > take care of it, he showed up in his truck and one of his guys showed up > with a new pole later that afternoon. They called in that they were > cutting the lines (which necessitated them setting up a formal work > order, which was OK) so the system would not freak out. They got the > new lines hooked up on the new pole and all was good. They did not pop > the meter as he had cut the lines (hot) and spliced in a new set going > from the meter up to the top of the pole. > > As far as installing a new panel, this is where a main shutoff by the > meter helps a lot to deal with everything in the house. One I used > actually has 4 breaker spaces in it, I ran a small 60A subpanel off one > of those for utility circuits under the house if there was any need in > the future for some connection. > > --FT > > On 7/15/21 2:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > > Where is your spirit of adventure? Better to beg for forgiveness than > > to ask permission? > > > > > > On 15/07/2021 1:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> This is a possibility, however, messing with the meter for most > >> electrical utilities is a major league no-no, like fining you or > >> putting in a commercial meter box that has the meter behind a window > >> so you can’t get at it (all of this on your dime, too.) > >> > >> Most utilities will coordinate pulling and replacing a meter without > >> too much hassle. You break the seal and you’re in for some serious hurt. > >> > >> -D > >> > > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
haha yeah right. We have these "smart" meters now that report usage back to some central monitor, I guess over the power lines. The powerco will know immediately if you pull the meter as the signal will cease to ping and it will show as an outage so a truck will be dispatched... I let this kid hunt on my vast estate, he is now an area supervisor for the powerco, so if I need anything done I text him a msg and he usually shows up right quick, or has one of his guys come. The pole next to a trailer on a property I am renting on Wadmalaw Island rotted at the base and fell over last year, the power never went off but there were live lines on the ground, no bueno. I asked him if he could take care of it, he showed up in his truck and one of his guys showed up with a new pole later that afternoon. They called in that they were cutting the lines (which necessitated them setting up a formal work order, which was OK) so the system would not freak out. They got the new lines hooked up on the new pole and all was good. They did not pop the meter as he had cut the lines (hot) and spliced in a new set going from the meter up to the top of the pole. As far as installing a new panel, this is where a main shutoff by the meter helps a lot to deal with everything in the house. One I used actually has 4 breaker spaces in it, I ran a small 60A subpanel off one of those for utility circuits under the house if there was any need in the future for some connection. --FT On 7/15/21 2:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Where is your spirit of adventure? Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask permission? On 15/07/2021 1:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: This is a possibility, however, messing with the meter for most electrical utilities is a major league no-no, like fining you or putting in a commercial meter box that has the meter behind a window so you can’t get at it (all of this on your dime, too.) Most utilities will coordinate pulling and replacing a meter without too much hassle. You break the seal and you’re in for some serious hurt. -D -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
Where is your spirit of adventure? Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask permission? On 15/07/2021 1:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: This is a possibility, however, messing with the meter for most electrical utilities is a major league no-no, like fining you or putting in a commercial meter box that has the meter behind a window so you can’t get at it (all of this on your dime, too.) Most utilities will coordinate pulling and replacing a meter without too much hassle. You break the seal and you’re in for some serious hurt. -D On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I am not an electrician and I know nothing about the rules in Florida, so take this with a grain of salt. I think you should be able to install a splitter box (which is basically a metal box with terminals inside to connect wires ) where the old panel is and then run new wires up to a new panel, or perhaps up to 2 new panels. A friend has a set up like that in his house. He has 2 100 Amp panels. The ability to have an actual 200 Amps likely depends on how big the wire coming in is and the size of the meter box but often the issue is not so much the need for 200 Amps as it is the need for space for more breakers etc. Who uses all of their electrical stuff at one time? You are likely not allowed to do it but if you can remove the meter from the socket, then there would be no power feed into the house and you could install the splitter box and a new panel quite safely. Then just push the meter back in. Around here the meters are glass or now plastic covered bowl shaped things. There is a ring around the outside that holds it onto the meter socket box. Remove the seal and the ring comes off. Then you should be able to pull the meter out if you wiggle it a bit as you pull. It just has male metal terminals that go into female terminals on the inside of the meter socket box. To re-install you just push it in tight to the socket frame and put the ring clamp back on. Leave the broken seal on the ground under it so the utility company thinks it fell off? You should get permits for this sort of thing and/or hire an electrician, but lots of people do things like this themselves. Just be careful and know what you are doing. A friend actually changed out his panel while it was live. He did not want to pull the meter because he knew there was a broken part in the meter socket and it would have to be replaced. He disconnected wires in the panel and taped rubber spark plug boots over the ends in order to get them out of the panel and into the new panel while they were live. I thought he was crazy to risk it but he did it without killing himself. On 14/07/2021 6:48 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing distribution panel in a house? In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or near floor level of an exterior deck. [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service capacity would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From my experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of as I suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would they connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is this even feasible without rewiring the whole house? TIA, -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
This is a possibility, however, messing with the meter for most electrical utilities is a major league no-no, like fining you or putting in a commercial meter box that has the meter behind a window so you can’t get at it (all of this on your dime, too.) Most utilities will coordinate pulling and replacing a meter without too much hassle. You break the seal and you’re in for some serious hurt. -D > On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > I am not an electrician and I know nothing about the rules in Florida, so > take this with a grain of salt. > > I think you should be able to install a splitter box (which is basically a > metal box with terminals inside to connect wires ) where the old panel is and > then run new wires up to a new panel, or perhaps up to 2 new panels. A friend > has a set up like that in his house. He has 2 100 Amp panels. The ability to > have an actual 200 Amps likely depends on how big the wire coming in is and > the size of the meter box but often the issue is not so much the need for 200 > Amps as it is the need for space for more breakers etc. Who uses all of their > electrical stuff at one time? > > You are likely not allowed to do it but if you can remove the meter from the > socket, then there would be no power feed into the house and you could > install the splitter box and a new panel quite safely. Then just push the > meter back in. Around here the meters are glass or now plastic covered bowl > shaped things. There is a ring around the outside that holds it onto the > meter socket box. Remove the seal and the ring comes off. Then you should be > able to pull the meter out if you wiggle it a bit as you pull. It just has > male metal terminals that go into female terminals on the inside of the meter > socket box. To re-install you just push it in tight to the socket frame and > put the ring clamp back on. Leave the broken seal on the ground under it so > the utility company thinks it fell off? > > You should get permits for this sort of thing and/or hire an electrician, but > lots of people do things like this themselves. Just be careful and know what > you are doing. > > A friend actually changed out his panel while it was live. He did not want to > pull the meter because he knew there was a broken part in the meter socket > and it would have to be replaced. He disconnected wires in the panel and > taped rubber spark plug boots over the ends in order to get them out of the > panel and into the new panel while they were live. I thought he was crazy to > risk it but he did it without killing himself. > > > >> On 14/07/2021 6:48 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing >> distribution panel in a house? >> >> In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been >> partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or near >> floor level of an exterior deck. >> >> >> [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] >> >> Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as >> possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service capacity >> would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From my >> experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of as I >> suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. >> >> I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would they >> connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is this >> even feasible without rewiring the whole house? >> >> TIA, >> >> -D > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
Here you can call the utility co. and they will come out and pull a fuse or switch at the transformer - killing power to everything including the meter. When you're finished, call them and they will turn it back on. How responsive they are to your calls might be another issue --- On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:59 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am not an electrician and I know nothing about the rules in Florida, > so take this with a grain of salt. > > I think you should be able to install a splitter box (which is basically > a metal box with terminals inside to connect wires ) where the old panel > is and then run new wires up to a new panel, or perhaps up to 2 new > panels. A friend has a set up like that in his house. He has 2 100 Amp > panels. The ability to have an actual 200 Amps likely depends on how big > the wire coming in is and the size of the meter box but often the issue > is not so much the need for 200 Amps as it is the need for space for > more breakers etc. Who uses all of their electrical stuff at one time? > > You are likely not allowed to do it but if you can remove the meter from > the socket, then there would be no power feed into the house and you > could install the splitter box and a new panel quite safely. Then just > push the meter back in. Around here the meters are glass or now plastic > covered bowl shaped things. There is a ring around the outside that > holds it onto the meter socket box. Remove the seal and the ring comes > off. Then you should be able to pull the meter out if you wiggle it a > bit as you pull. It just has male metal terminals that go into female > terminals on the inside of the meter socket box. To re-install you just > push it in tight to the socket frame and put the ring clamp back on. > Leave the broken seal on the ground under it so the utility company > thinks it fell off? > > You should get permits for this sort of thing and/or hire an > electrician, but lots of people do things like this themselves. Just be > careful and know what you are doing. > > A friend actually changed out his panel while it was live. He did not > want to pull the meter because he knew there was a broken part in the > meter socket and it would have to be replaced. He disconnected wires in > the panel and taped rubber spark plug boots over the ends in order to > get them out of the panel and into the new panel while they were live. I > thought he was crazy to risk it but he did it without killing himself. > > > > On 14/07/2021 6:48 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing > distribution panel in a house? > > > > In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been > partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or > near floor level of an exterior deck. > > > > > > > [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] > > > > Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as > possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service > capacity would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From > my experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of > as I suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. > > > > I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would > they connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is > this even feasible without rewiring the whole house? > > > > TIA, > > > > -D > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
I am not an electrician and I know nothing about the rules in Florida, so take this with a grain of salt. I think you should be able to install a splitter box (which is basically a metal box with terminals inside to connect wires ) where the old panel is and then run new wires up to a new panel, or perhaps up to 2 new panels. A friend has a set up like that in his house. He has 2 100 Amp panels. The ability to have an actual 200 Amps likely depends on how big the wire coming in is and the size of the meter box but often the issue is not so much the need for 200 Amps as it is the need for space for more breakers etc. Who uses all of their electrical stuff at one time? You are likely not allowed to do it but if you can remove the meter from the socket, then there would be no power feed into the house and you could install the splitter box and a new panel quite safely. Then just push the meter back in. Around here the meters are glass or now plastic covered bowl shaped things. There is a ring around the outside that holds it onto the meter socket box. Remove the seal and the ring comes off. Then you should be able to pull the meter out if you wiggle it a bit as you pull. It just has male metal terminals that go into female terminals on the inside of the meter socket box. To re-install you just push it in tight to the socket frame and put the ring clamp back on. Leave the broken seal on the ground under it so the utility company thinks it fell off? You should get permits for this sort of thing and/or hire an electrician, but lots of people do things like this themselves. Just be careful and know what you are doing. A friend actually changed out his panel while it was live. He did not want to pull the meter because he knew there was a broken part in the meter socket and it would have to be replaced. He disconnected wires in the panel and taped rubber spark plug boots over the ends in order to get them out of the panel and into the new panel while they were live. I thought he was crazy to risk it but he did it without killing himself. On 14/07/2021 6:48 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing distribution panel in a house? In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or near floor level of an exterior deck. [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service capacity would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From my experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of as I suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would they connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is this even feasible without rewiring the whole house? TIA, -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
My father would have shit bricks if he saw something like that. If you are going to jumper outlets, you strip a portion of wire to go under the screw, you don't put wire nuts on. Same thing for equipment ground, one wire all the way back to the ground rail in the box, no splices, ever. He used solid copper wire in the house, run in conduit, too. 65 years later we have had zero issues, I've only replaced one light switch in 30 years. Would not use Romex, it won't pull through conduit and he investigated several house fires caused by Romex being penetrated by nails or staples, and he said you can't fix it without tearing the walls out. Electrical engineer AND licensed electrician. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
I've only seen the nut and pigtail when the circuit continues to another outlet or box. If it's the last outlet/fixture on the circuit it's just wired directly to the feed wire, or so has been the case in the houses I've owned here. Allan On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, at 10:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On 2021-07-14 21:12, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > I’m curious as well. I can’t imagine wire nutting would be to code, > > but then again who knows? I don’t. > > Wire nuts are preferred at the other end. > Example: feed wire from breaker > wire nut > pigtail > outlet seems to > be preferred to just hooking the feed to the outlet and running a feed > off the other side of the outlet to the next outlet box. I've even seen > nuts and pigtails at the last outlet in the string. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
On 2021-07-14 21:12, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I’m curious as well. I can’t imagine wire nutting would be to code, but then again who knows? I don’t. Wire nuts are preferred at the other end. Example: feed wire from breaker > wire nut > pigtail > outlet seems to be preferred to just hooking the feed to the outlet and running a feed off the other side of the outlet to the next outlet box. I've even seen nuts and pigtails at the last outlet in the string. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
Your existing panel, which you want to replace with a larger service panel in a better location, will need to be removed and replaced with an approved watertight sub panel. All the existing lines will then be connected inside that sub panel with new lines that come from your new service entrance panel using code approved connection blocks, with all the necessary ground requirements met [to local code] and an inspection seal that says it's been approved by the powers that do that in your local area. As I recall, there are some code requirements about how high such a panel has to be mounted, away from possible water intrusion. This would be a good opportunity to make sure all the present house circuits are up to code and safe because the city or county inspectors will be looking for such things. [ie, they inspected the work, the house burned down and killed everyone, their inspection seal and sign off is on file.. the insurance lawyers will name them in the suit.. ] On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 6:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I’ll have to check with the utility on the drop capacity. Based on > previous experience they seem to run a minimum size service entrance > conductor which would probably support up to 200A. > > I’ll consult an electrician when I get time to get one over to check > things out, I am more curious to know if it can be done by possibly > extending the existing wiring and not having to gut what it there. Not to > mention the existing box doesn’t appear to be anywhere near current code. > Should be a NEMA 3R box, this one certainly isn’t. > > -D > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Is the cable from the pole to the meter and outdoor shutoff and thence > the new panel good for 200A? All that might need to be upgraded. I can’t > remember the size of that cable - 6/0? 8/0? > > > > A new panel relocated from the old panel location will need to connect > to the old cables in the house that are coming from the old panel. Those > extensions to the new panel have to be connected in boxes to the old > wiring. The code says how many can be connected in what size box. That’s > likely to be the painful point. > > > > I put in 2-200A panels and shut offs when I built my addition. In the > old part of the house the old panel was not up to code so I had to replace > it and run new cable from one new 200A shutoff to the new replacement 200A > panel. I also put in a new 200A panel in the addition coming off a second > 200A shutoff. Both shut offs are outside next to a new 300A meter that fed > the new 200A panels through the 200A shutoffs. > > > > The power company ran a new buried cable in conduit from the pole to the > meter. I wired off the meter box to each new shutoff using a connector that > attaches to the lug on the output side of the meter, that had 2 wire > connectors, one for each shutoff. 2 hots and neutral and grounds. I forget > what the deal is with neutrals and grounds and where they separate. > > > > Hope that gives you some idea. > > > > --FT > > Sent from iPhone > > > >> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing > distribution panel in a house? > >> > >> In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been > partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or > near floor level of an exterior deck. > >> > >> > >> > [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] > >> > >> Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as > possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service > capacity would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From > my experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of > as I suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. > >> > >> I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would > they connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is > this even feasible without rewiring the whole house? > >> > >> TIA, > >> > >> -D > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
I’ll have to check with the utility on the drop capacity. Based on previous experience they seem to run a minimum size service entrance conductor which would probably support up to 200A. I’ll consult an electrician when I get time to get one over to check things out, I am more curious to know if it can be done by possibly extending the existing wiring and not having to gut what it there. Not to mention the existing box doesn’t appear to be anywhere near current code. Should be a NEMA 3R box, this one certainly isn’t. -D Sent from my iPad > On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is the cable from the pole to the meter and outdoor shutoff and thence the > new panel good for 200A? All that might need to be upgraded. I can’t > remember the size of that cable - 6/0? 8/0? > > A new panel relocated from the old panel location will need to connect to the > old cables in the house that are coming from the old panel. Those extensions > to the new panel have to be connected in boxes to the old wiring. The code > says how many can be connected in what size box. That’s likely to be the > painful point. > > I put in 2-200A panels and shut offs when I built my addition. In the old > part of the house the old panel was not up to code so I had to replace it and > run new cable from one new 200A shutoff to the new replacement 200A panel. I > also put in a new 200A panel in the addition coming off a second 200A > shutoff. Both shut offs are outside next to a new 300A meter that fed the new > 200A panels through the 200A shutoffs. > > The power company ran a new buried cable in conduit from the pole to the > meter. I wired off the meter box to each new shutoff using a connector that > attaches to the lug on the output side of the meter, that had 2 wire > connectors, one for each shutoff. 2 hots and neutral and grounds. I forget > what the deal is with neutrals and grounds and where they separate. > > Hope that gives you some idea. > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > >> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing >> distribution panel in a house? >> >> In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been >> partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or near >> floor level of an exterior deck. >> >> >> [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] >> >> Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as >> possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service capacity >> would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From my >> experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of as I >> suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. >> >> I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would they >> connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is this >> even feasible without rewiring the whole house? >> >> TIA, >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
I’m curious as well. I can’t imagine wire nutting would be to code, but then again who knows? I don’t. -D Sent from my iPad > On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Replace every breaker with a wire nut, and run new wires from the old box up > to the new box? > I think it would be legal, but it seems a bit inelegant. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
Is the cable from the pole to the meter and outdoor shutoff and thence the new panel good for 200A? All that might need to be upgraded. I can’t remember the size of that cable - 6/0? 8/0? A new panel relocated from the old panel location will need to connect to the old cables in the house that are coming from the old panel. Those extensions to the new panel have to be connected in boxes to the old wiring. The code says how many can be connected in what size box. That’s likely to be the painful point. I put in 2-200A panels and shut offs when I built my addition. In the old part of the house the old panel was not up to code so I had to replace it and run new cable from one new 200A shutoff to the new replacement 200A panel. I also put in a new 200A panel in the addition coming off a second 200A shutoff. Both shut offs are outside next to a new 300A meter that fed the new 200A panels through the 200A shutoffs. The power company ran a new buried cable in conduit from the pole to the meter. I wired off the meter box to each new shutoff using a connector that attaches to the lug on the output side of the meter, that had 2 wire connectors, one for each shutoff. 2 hots and neutral and grounds. I forget what the deal is with neutrals and grounds and where they separate. Hope that gives you some idea. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing > distribution panel in a house? > > In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been > partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or near > floor level of an exterior deck. > > > [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] > > Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as possibly > increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service capacity would be > a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From my experience with > utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of as I suspect the > transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. > > I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would they > connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is this > even feasible without rewiring the whole house? > > TIA, > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
I'm curious what you find out. Our new place in Maine has a very modern circuit breaker box that is located poorly which is to say its very nearly under the toilet. I'd like to get it moved about 10 feet away. Fortunately there is exactly 1 circuit in it which feeds the (ancient) fuse panel on the opposite side of the house which actually runs everything in the house. I'm going to need a real electrician to do this job for me since there isn't any slack in the service line which, of course, is always live anyway. Once the panel is relocated as I rewire each room I'll hook it into the new panel and strip out the old wiring. Eventually everything will just be on the new system. I'd like to start with the water heater and well pump... -Curt On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 7:49:19 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Wondering if anyone here has experience with relocating an existing distribution panel in a house? In this case the existing panel, a 1970s 100A service panel, has been partially obstructed by “improvements” to the house that place it at or near floor level of an exterior deck. [cid:0852C906-A70E-43D0-A951-22936A1E8C78][cid:BA5F3A9B-D003-4A56-A2DF-E8D575390C6D] Ideally, I would want to raise it up to the proper height as well as possibly increase the size to a 200A service. I realize the service capacity would be a utility thing we would have to work out with them. From my experience with utilities, it shouldn’t involve any changes to speak of as I suspect the transformer and service drop is probably good for 200A. I guess my primary concern is if this can even be done. And how would they connect the existing cables to extend them? Split bolts? Crimps? Or is this even feasible without rewiring the whole house? TIA, -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electrical Distribution Panel Relocation
Replace every breaker with a wire nut, and run new wires from the old box up to the new box? I think it would be legal, but it seems a bit inelegant. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
