If it's "recycled" no telling what it really is.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, at 16:43, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I'd never looked before but FB marketplace has all sorts of R12 all
> over New England. Good tip!
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 05:34:20 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via
Yep. Vacuum down to empty and then fill with an R12 replacement.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, at 14:56, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Use some “Test Refrigerant” or Freeze 12
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone
I have an partially full bottle of R12 that can be available, if you can
figure a reasonable way of getting from here to there
On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 2:35 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Anyone still able to get it? The 85 300D needs a recharge and I
From: Mercedes on behalf of Curt Raymond via
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond ; RICK HAWKINS
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12
I'd never looked before but FB marketplace has all sorts of R12 all over New
England. Good tip!
-Curt
On Thursday
I'd never looked before but FB marketplace has all sorts of R12 all over New
England. Good tip!
-Curt
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 05:34:20 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes
wrote:
> Folks
There is r12 available on FB and ebay etc ….. Craigslist
I’ve bought and sold lots of it
Use some “Test Refrigerant” or Freeze 12
--FT
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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Anyone still able to get it? The 85 300D needs a recharge and I cringe at
> the thought of an R134a conversion.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:49:05 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
wrote:
> I'll probably need another dryer bottle too.
Yes.
From nearly 6 years ago,
==
From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Subject: [MBZ] Video W123 Sanden, Dual Parallel
I'll probably need another dryer bottle too.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 7:46 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Nitrogen tests only one thing: does it leak statically. A test
> refrigerant tests everything.
> After it passes the test, which can last as long as you like,
Nitrogen tests only one thing: does it leak statically. A test refrigerant
tests everything.
After it passes the test, which can last as long as you like, you put R12 back
in.
That's the official story.
-- Jim
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Nitrogen is always nice for testing. Has anyone explained to Andrew that “test
refrigerant” as you’re describing contains propane?
< pause >
Of course, it is approved in other countries for refrigerant applications.
-D
> On Apr 28, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>> If you do, just
> If you do, just understand that without changing the condenser it will not be
> very efficient. On hot summer days it may not do the job.
That is the advantage of the test refrigerant: For $6, only, you're back
running again, good as new.
-- Jim
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If you do, just understand that without changing the condenser it will not be
very efficient. On hot summer days it may not do the job.
-D
On Apr 28, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Definitely gonna check for leaks. I will probably elect to convert
Definitely gonna check for leaks. I will probably elect to convert to R134.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:32 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> This may explain why it can’t be found on eBay any more.
>
> No problem buying it in AZ. Tons of the stuff on the shelf.
>
>
This may explain why it can’t be found on eBay any more.
No problem buying it in AZ. Tons of the stuff on the shelf.
-D
> On Apr 28, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Here in WA you can't even buy R134 over the counter anymore. The
> enviro-weenies
> (?) seem to have
> My 300SD W126 has not yet been converted to R134 and the AC does not run
> ICE COLD. Should I try to hunt down some freon, or convert to R134? Is
> R12 still available or prohibitively expensive?
I recommend testing the system thoroughly for leaks. A proper test can
take years. Costs about
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 21:49:03 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 00:32:38 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
> wrote:
>
> > For what it’s worth, it looks like eBay doesn’t allow R134a sales any
> > more. I used to buy it in quantity there and I checked today and
> > couldn’t
On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 00:32:38 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
wrote:
> For what it’s worth, it looks like eBay doesn’t allow R134a sales any
> more. I used to buy it in quantity there and I checked today and
> couldn’t find any. Weird.
Yes, it certainly is wierd. If you type "R-134" in the
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:48:47 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
wrote:
> To clarify, a parallel flow condenser allows you to use R134a and get
> comparable performance with the prior R12 system.
To clarify a little more, R-134A is not as efficient in its heat transfer
in the condenser and
Thanks for suggesting the alternative, Allan! I had forgotten about that - I’ve
used it successfully in the past as an R12 alternative and it work well. That
said, if the hoses haven’t been changed to barrier style hoses, you have to
evacuate and recharge from time to time because some of the
To clarify, a parallel flow condenser allows you to use R134a and get
comparable performance with the prior R12 system.
-D
> On Apr 27, 2023, at 4:45 PM, dan penoff.com wrote:
>
> You have two choices:
>
> 1.) Find a shop that will do R12; or,
>
> 2.) Replace your current condenser with a
You have two choices:
1.) Find a shop that will do R12; or,
2.) Replace your current condenser with a parallel flow condenser. There is a
company that makes them for W123 and W126 chassis cars. I put one in my 350SDL
and it was a “portal to the Arctic” when I was done.
If you’re planning on
R12 is probably expensive if you can get it and of possibly questionable
quality.
If it's not leaking, I'd try a R12 substitute. Maybe Freeze12, Autofrost, or
Jim Cathey's test blend.
If it's leaking, the blended substitutes are not ideal. Because of the
different partial pressures of the
The purists will tell you that you should look for R12.
The real question is what else should you do apart from adding freon to
try to ensure that you are not wasting your money on something that will
soon leak out.
Randy
On 27/04/2023 4:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
My
Getting the stuff sounds like a good idea. Not sure why I haven’t done it
before now.
I suppose I’ll have to have a little YouTube fest on figuring out how to find
the leaks and assess what I need to do.
Bob R
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>
If you’re so inclined, you can get everything you need to service AC systems at
Harbor Fright for under $200, if that. I did it about 3-4 years ago and have
paid for the stuff many, many times over.
Living in FL it’s almost a requirement to have the stuff.
-D
> On May 7, 2019, at 10:22 AM,
> You might have to call around to find a shop that will do R12 and it won’t be
> cheap, but it’s well worth it.
I spend about $8/year (each) on my leaky non-R134a cars. You need a vacuum
pump and a gauge set.
And a vent thermometer. All the tools together are _less_ than you'd spend for
one
Considering the climate you’re in, absolutely. It makes a noticeable
difference, believe me.
The only way you can get decent efficiency with R134a in your car would be to
install a parallel flow condenser, which isn’t cheap. R134a doesn’t condense as
easily as R12, so it needs more surface
I’ve used it in the finnie among other places and it works well. Makes ice
cubes in the finnie with it’s little under dash aftermarket unit.
Sadly, the hoses are pretty porous at this point, so I really need to replace
them. For now I might just drop a can of sealer in it…
-D
> On May 7,
So... it seems the consensus is to keep it r12.
Thanks for the good information, y’all.
Bob R
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2019, at 6:40 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>
> I'm with Rick here. I have this in two w123 cars here in Fl and it is worlds
> better then the 134a that was in there
I'm with Rick here. I have this in two w123
cars here in Fl and it is worlds better then
the 134a that was in there when I got them.
MG
Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
I'd probably try Envirosafe es134a. You are in AZ so you need exceptional ac.
Shouldn't cost more than $12- $18 for juice
Yes. I use that in my '87 300TD. Right now there is a leak under the dash, so
the gas ratio is off, but it still works pretty good.
However, your independent garage may not want to agree to using it.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
On May 6, 2019 11:40:49 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
http://store.arsnet.com/arsweb/en-us/PhoenixMetroLocations
Proper name is Arizona Refrigeration Supply... the link above gives
locations in Phoenix. They have always had what ever I needed... Not always
cheap... just available.
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:30 PM G Mann wrote:
> Look up Arizona
Look up Arizona Refrigeration. If you are a "certified AC " guy [short test
you can do online to become one] they will sell you all the R12 you need.
Keep it original, it will blow cold. Fix what ever leaks, AZ Refrig can
make up new hoses for you, just take in the old ones.
Corner of McDowell
so keep it r12, or an r12 replacement or Jim's "test refrigerant"
propane and butane R134a sucks in an r12 car.
Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote on 5/6/19 10:32 PM:
Anyone have the scoop on this? There is nothing useful on the Google machine.
My Indy says it’ll cost me around $200 for him
I think most here will say: don't. Keep it R12 but maybe with an R12
replacement refrigerany.
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Rentfro via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 11:32 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc:
I'd probably try Envirosafe es134a. You are in AZ so you need exceptional ac.
Shouldn't cost more than $12- $18 for juice and whatever labor.
https://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/31/t/134a-replacement/
Rick
From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: May 6, 2019 10:32 PM
To:
On Mon, 6 May 2019 20:32:06 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
wrote:
> Anyone have the scoop on this? There is nothing useful on the Google
> machine. My Indy says it’ll cost me around $200 for him to do the
> conversion. I don’t even know exactly all I’d have to do for this task.
> According to
Dura cool, auto frost, there are several
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list
have been using?
I can't recall the name.
I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas,
ES-12 aka Envirosafe
www.autorefrigerants.com
Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com
Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse brevity and typos.
On Oct 30, 2013 11:31 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the
Enviro-Safe.
http://www.es-refrigerants.com/
http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list
have been using?
I can't recall the
That's the other one I could not think of
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
ES-12 aka Envirosafe
www.autorefrigerants.com
Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com
Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse brevity and
Use the Industrial ES-12….it’s a lot colder. You’ll havce to spring for hazmat
shipping, but it’s worth it.
I’ve used both.
AND, order it directly from the factory.
On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here
My '95 124 has R134.
Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties)
'73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on)
Charleston SC
From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
To:
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:
My '95 124 has R134.
Thanks Max, useful data point. I was primarily interested in whether the
'94-'95 facelift 124s had R134, but am curious about other models as well.
Alex
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Max Dillon wrote:
My '95 124 has R134.
I think my '92 W124 was converted to R134a, but I'd have to check carefully to
make sure it wasn't that way from the factory.
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My '92 300D 2.5T has factory R134a. The '90 has R12. The '91 300E had R12.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Max Dillon wrote:
My '95 124 has R134.
I think my '92 W124 was converted to R134a, but I'd have to check carefully
to make sure it wasn't that
Do you still have any? If so, I'll take 2 please.
LarryT
91 300D
In God We Trust
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From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] R12
Just in time for
Is that an offer? How many?
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: [MBZ] R12
Just in time for winter. $20/can.
-Rolf
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Selling. I have 3? cans I think.
On 09/03/2010 09:08 AM, WILTON wrote:
Is that an offer? How many?
Wilton
- Original Message - From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: [MBZ] R12
Just in time
Understand R12; not substitute; I'll take 'em.
Wilton
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From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12
Selling. I have 3? cans I think.
On 09/03/2010 09:08 AM
I have a few cans too since my cars are no longer on R12. If interested,
email me privately.
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From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12
Understand R12
check ebay
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Who has a can of R12 they will sell me?
The Acura needs a charge its first one ever. Not bad for 21 years.
Bob R.
'77 300D 190K
'87 Acura Legend 191K
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12
check ebay
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Who has a can of R12 they will sell me?
The Acura needs a charge its first one ever. Not bad for 21 years.
Bob R.
'77 300D 190K
'87 Acura Legend 191K
Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So can I slam a can of that freeze 12 into this system on the Acura
that has never had anything done to it?
I *think* that to use Freeze 12 you will need to recover all the R12
and fully vacuum the system. You can't just top off an R12 charge.
Allan
Manufacturing new R12 has been banned in this country but there is still
old stock around, plus re-cyclers are re-processing stock. It is legal to sell
what is still in the system.
My 24 year old Porsche with it's marginal-at-best R12 AC system has had
refrigerant added only twice, in 1988 and
R12 is good stuff.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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Subject: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
Filled up the 190D
300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI-Original Message-
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R12 is good stuff.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
R12 is good stuff.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
How much did the Stealer charge for the R-12? And how many pounds did
they put in?
-Warren
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
I went there as a last resort as I couldn't find anyone else around here who
would do. They charged me 99.50 for a little under two pounds. Of course,
they did full inspection of ACC and everything else they wanted to sell me.
Also a free wash and quick detail.
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Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
I went there as a last resort as I couldn't find anyone else around here
who
would do. They charged me 99.50 for a little under two pounds. Of course,
they did full inspection of ACC and everything else
, Jr
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:19 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
Amen. I just had the local stealer fill my 90 300D with R-12-ice cold and
ACC works as supposed to.
Nice-even here in New England. Supposed to be 90 today. I converted my old
SAAB 900 over
rumor has it that Kaleb wrote:
Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some
people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in
it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that.
Fmiser wrote:
At some time fairly close to Wed, 12
Will probably buy a case of that stuff and give it a try
Fmiser wrote:
rumor has it that Kaleb wrote:
Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some
people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in
it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or
than gasoline under 60psi of pressure.
Trampas
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:26 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Will probably buy a case of that stuff
rumor has it that Trampas wrote:
My understanding is that a lot of the R12 replacement is a mixture of
propane and butane, thus flammable. I use duracool in my cars which is this
propane/butane stuff, it works great and does not require any changes of
hoses or oil. There is some debate on the
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134?
Autofrost R406A?
I think Duracool and Envirosafe are among the propane/isobutane blends.
Jim Cathey seems to like him homeblended iso/propane nix, maybe it's
just too hot where you are? As demand
I think a 30lb equivalent of R406a is about $200 delivered. The two can
kit is way high, something like $50 for two cans, tapper, and fittings.
Homebrew is about $8 per fillup. Right around what you used to
be able to do R12 for.
-- Jim
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Hey Kaleb,
Try this stuff:
http://www.autocool-refrigerants.com/envirosafe_tech.htm
:)
-dm
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than
I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool,
Kaleb. IIRC, quantities charge pressure are supposed to be
considerably lower with HC replacements.
joe
Speaking of AC...
Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't suppose that
nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low side?
Mine had R134 when I got it and I just bought a can and a hose with a gauge
on it for $17 that says to be sure I avoid the high
At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500,
rumor has it that Kaleb wrote:
Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134?
Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work
hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that
Low side is larger diameter...
Bob Rentfro
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Speaking of AC...
Could someone confirm for me which hose
No, I intalled it by weight.
Joe Knight wrote:
I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool,
Kaleb. IIRC, quantities charge pressure are supposed to be
considerably lower with HC replacements.
joe
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Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some
people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in
it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that.
Fmiser wrote:
At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500,
rumor has
Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't
suppose that
nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low
side?
It is, in fact. The high-side fitting is underneath the alternator.
(Stupid place!) When in doubt, follow the hoses from the compressor.
The
Is there a good way to tell if its been converted to 134?
It's supposed to have different fittings screwed into it.
Another way is if the system fails grotesquely in a year or two.
If so, it was converted! (Yes, I have an opinion. I un-converted
the latest 560 SL we bought.)
-- Jim
Hey Mitch,
Any details on that? what happened?
Any particular sellers to avoid?
Thx
George
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Constantine N. Polites wrote:
I just ordered a 30# cylinder from Donald Knieriem in Hardin KT. Tel.
270 354 8710. Cost $ 395 plus $ 40
Constantine N. Polites wrote:
I just ordered a 30# cylinder from Donald Knieriem in Hardin KT. Tel.
270 354 8710. Cost $ 395 plus $ 40 shipping.
He has a few left. They are said to be virgin R-12, not reprocessed.
Let us know when you get it. I've spent $580 on a couple cans of R12
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