Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-18 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
I think every other year the trip home was free and one year my dad found
out we could go all the way around first class for the same money as the
usual layover in Europe, so it was Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines up
front Riyadh Hong Kong Manila  Singapore Taipei Honolulu Portland or
something like that. Sometimes upstairs, sometimes down. I recall driving
the electric model car we bought in Hong kong back and forth across the
area in the nose ahead of the first row for 13 hours into HON. It would hit
the wall, then flip over and drive back.

PanAm had a direct DHA to LaGuardia or similar and one time it had about 30
people on it. They turned the lights off for the rear 1/3 of the plane and
we just slept back there, one person to a row in the middle 5 seat section
with the armrests up. Those seats also fold forward and make a pretty good
card table.

A different time in London they boarded us then said uh we have a
mechanical issue and kept us on the plane at the gate for 5 hours while
they bolted an extra engine on one wing. There is an extra pod built in for
ferrying engines around. So we flew across the atlantic with three engines
on one wing and two on the other, to MSP or somewhere.

Probably the most enduring 747 memory I have is waking up in Frankfurt
watching the nose of the NWA 747 I was supposed to be on backing away from
the gate. Unfortunately or fortunately as it turns out my dog was on the
plane and the gate crew lady who had redone all the dry ice freight
scheduling to accommodate the dog in the hold on that flight was still
standing at the gate. She took one look at me and started hollering into
her walkie talkie in German "the dog!! The Dog!". They brought it back. I
was like 15 wearing the same suit I graduated from 9th grade in about 18
hours before. Man I got some puzzled looks walking onto that plane. When I
think about the stuff my parents did with us it seems kind of crazy now.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Back in the 1950s, my dad had to babysit a couple of nukes we gave to
> the Brits. Being of low rank and high security clearance sometimes gets
> you interesting, if unwanted, duties.
> Somewhere between Barksdale and the UK, they had to land on an island
> base for refueling.
> Their emergency plans for "if we go off the end of the runway into the
> ocean" included a member of the flight crew (navigator I think) chucking
> the triggers out the door on dry land. Pilots got the plane stopped with
> dozens of feet to spare.
>
>
> On 2021-07-17 01:44, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> > I got to watch the test flights out of Paine Field in winter 1969.
> > Had a number of voyages on them over the next four five years.  Most
> > terrifying was the landing in Guatemala where one end of the VERY
> > shorty runway was a 400 year old aqueduct, the other a plunge down a
> > ravine.  Touchdown was maybe 65 meters in from the ravine and you had
> > to brake hard over the next 2050 meters or you bump the aqueduct.   No
> > longer booked flights on them after Teneriffe.
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Back in the 1950s, my dad had to babysit a couple of nukes we gave to 
the Brits. Being of low rank and high security clearance sometimes gets 
you interesting, if unwanted, duties.
Somewhere between Barksdale and the UK, they had to land on an island 
base for refueling.
Their emergency plans for "if we go off the end of the runway into the 
ocean" included a member of the flight crew (navigator I think) chucking 
the triggers out the door on dry land. Pilots got the plane stopped with 
dozens of feet to spare.



On 2021-07-17 01:44, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

I got to watch the test flights out of Paine Field in winter 1969.
Had a number of voyages on them over the next four five years.  Most
terrifying was the landing in Guatemala where one end of the VERY
shorty runway was a 400 year old aqueduct, the other a plunge down a
ravine.  Touchdown was maybe 65 meters in from the ravine and you had
to brake hard over the next 2050 meters or you bump the aqueduct.   No
longer booked flights on them after Teneriffe.



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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-17 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Boeing is still building the -800 variant for cargo carriers, I believe.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 12:49 AM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Quantas retired the last one just about a year ago.  ANC is packed with the 
> 747.  Things seem to come in 24/7.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2021, at 5:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have never gotten to fly in one. What a shame. I thought there were still 
>> some overseas carriers using them quite a bit?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-17 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Holy bat droppings, someone regularly flew a 747 into Guatemala City?  Yipes, 
I'll never forget that landing in a 727 in 1966.
 
Flying up a ravine watching the ground rise FAST and more and more and more 
flaps kept coming out of the wing.  Probably had to use 90 degrees of flap to 
land a 747 there.  Did for a 727, all three sections out of the wing.  Pretty 
impressive for early 1960's engineering!

That runway is 6700 ft above sea level I think, higher than Denver.  And short.
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-17 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Used to fly in them all the time going to Greece as a kid.

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> On Jul 16, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never gotten to fly in one. What a shame. I thought there were still 
> some overseas carriers using them quite a bit?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2021, at 6:08 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Any 747 variant still in service is a cargo aircraft. I’m almost certain 
>> everyone who had one in passenger service has retired them. Too bad - that 
>> was one awesome plane to fly in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2021, at 7:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also saw a couple of 747s at DFW, one parked and one landing. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
 
 I’m not sure. It said something or other charter on it. I suspect cargo 
 but I didn’t see any cargo type doors on it but who knows. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in 
> service.
> 
> Allan
> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just landed in Tulsa and a 727 was parked out next to the apron. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Quantas retired the last one just about a year ago.  ANC is packed with the 
747.  Things seem to come in 24/7.

clay 

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> On Jul 16, 2021, at 5:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never gotten to fly in one. What a shame. I thought there were still 
> some overseas carriers using them quite a bit?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread Clay via Mercedes
I got to watch the test flights out of Paine Field in winter 1969.   Had a 
number of voyages on them over the next four five years.  Most terrifying was 
the landing in Guatemala where one end of the VERY shorty runway was a 400 year 
old aqueduct, the other a plunge down a ravine.  Touchdown was maybe 65 meters 
in from the ravine and you had to brake hard over the next 2050 meters or you 
bump the aqueduct.   No longer booked flights on them after Teneriffe.

Clay


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> On Jul 16, 2021, at 3:19 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that 747 was something else.  
> 
> I had the best and the worst seats in Tourist class on a trip to Germany -- 
> back in those days you got your seat assignment at checkin, and I had lots of 
> time in Chicago on the way over.  Got a nice seat in the emergency exit row 
> over the wing, a row of seats is removed for that.  Infinite foot room.
> 
> On the way back, my sister screwed around and I got to the Frankfort airport 
> pretty late for an international flight, so got stuck in the last row, window 
> seat.  The fuselage taper intrudes on the floor space there, so I had a 
> little triangle for my feet maybe 16x14x6".  Horrible flight, left at 1:30 pm 
> local time and arrived at 3:30 pm local time, passenger next to me chain 
> smoked the whole trip.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I have never gotten to fly in one. What a shame. I thought there were still 
some overseas carriers using them quite a bit?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2021, at 6:08 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Any 747 variant still in service is a cargo aircraft. I’m almost certain 
> everyone who had one in passenger service has retired them. Too bad - that 
> was one awesome plane to fly in.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2021, at 7:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Also saw a couple of 747s at DFW, one parked and one landing. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure. It said something or other charter on it. I suspect cargo 
>>> but I didn’t see any cargo type doors on it but who knows. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in 
 service.
 
 Allan
 
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Just landed in Tulsa and a 727 was parked out next to the apron. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I flew first class on the upper deck a few times on BA transatlantic flights. 
That was very nice as there were few seats up there, it was like a little club. 
This was long before 9/11 so the pilots would leave the cockpit door open and 
welcomed short visits to the flight deck. The bevvie selection was always quite 
Impressive too.  I had no issues with extensively sampling the offerings... 
start off in the Concorde lounge then roll onboard champagne glass in hand... 
the way airline travel should be...

I noticed early on that most of the passengers in business and first were 
pretty much assholes and were not particularly pleasant travel companions so I 
made it a point to chat up the FAs and hang with them some on the longer 
flights.  It’s amazing how much better the experience was and how much fun it 
was to have those interactions with regular folks doing what was mostly a 
pretty boring job. Not to mention that won a bit of special treatment which 
some of the other passengers noticed...

--FT
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> On Jul 16, 2021, at 7:30 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I flew them regularly to Europe (KLM) and Asia (Northwest) in business 
> class. I’ve never flown in a 747 in coach, thank goodness.
> 
> One of the best flights I had in one, a -400 variant, was on a flight to 
> Schipol (Amsterdam) from Chicago. About 20 minutes into the flight my seat 
> back broke. The purser came up and was all pissed off because they apparently 
> put an emergency repair order in during the turnaround in Chicago and the FBO 
> folks claimed to have fixed it. Apparently not.
> 
> First and business were full, so they told me I could go to coach on the main 
> deck. Nope, sorry, not an option for what the company was paying. The cabin 
> crew huddles, the purser goes into the flight deck and comes back out.
> 
> “Would you come with me, please?”
> 
> Since it was a trans-Atlantic flight there was only one crew on board, so the 
> crew bunk room on the upper deck just behind the flight deck was unoccupied. 
> They let me crash in there for the remainder of the flight. It was a little 
> cramped, but far more comfortable as I got to lay down in a bunk and watch 
> the movies. They were very apologetic and kept bringing me all sorts of 
> goodies to eat during the flight (I never drink when I fly, especially on 
> business.) Even got a really good nap or two in, too.
> 
> Best flight ever.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, that 747 was something else.  
>> 
>> I had the best and the worst seats in Tourist class on a trip to Germany -- 
>> back in those days you got your seat assignment at checkin, and I had lots 
>> of time in Chicago on the way over.  Got a nice seat in the emergency exit 
>> row over the wing, a row of seats is removed for that.  Infinite foot room.
>> 
>> On the way back, my sister screwed around and I got to the Frankfort airport 
>> pretty late for an international flight, so got stuck in the last row, 
>> window seat.  The fuselage taper intrudes on the floor space there, so I had 
>> a little triangle for my feet maybe 16x14x6".  Horrible flight, left at 1:30 
>> pm local time and arrived at 3:30 pm local time, passenger next to me chain 
>> smoked the whole trip.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I flew them regularly to Europe (KLM) and Asia (Northwest) in business class. 
I’ve never flown in a 747 in coach, thank goodness.

One of the best flights I had in one, a -400 variant, was on a flight to 
Schipol (Amsterdam) from Chicago. About 20 minutes into the flight my seat back 
broke. The purser came up and was all pissed off because they apparently put an 
emergency repair order in during the turnaround in Chicago and the FBO folks 
claimed to have fixed it. Apparently not.

First and business were full, so they told me I could go to coach on the main 
deck. Nope, sorry, not an option for what the company was paying. The cabin 
crew huddles, the purser goes into the flight deck and comes back out.

“Would you come with me, please?”

Since it was a trans-Atlantic flight there was only one crew on board, so the 
crew bunk room on the upper deck just behind the flight deck was unoccupied. 
They let me crash in there for the remainder of the flight. It was a little 
cramped, but far more comfortable as I got to lay down in a bunk and watch the 
movies. They were very apologetic and kept bringing me all sorts of goodies to 
eat during the flight (I never drink when I fly, especially on business.) Even 
got a really good nap or two in, too.

Best flight ever.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that 747 was something else.  
> 
> I had the best and the worst seats in Tourist class on a trip to Germany -- 
> back in those days you got your seat assignment at checkin, and I had lots of 
> time in Chicago on the way over.  Got a nice seat in the emergency exit row 
> over the wing, a row of seats is removed for that.  Infinite foot room.
> 
> On the way back, my sister screwed around and I got to the Frankfort airport 
> pretty late for an international flight, so got stuck in the last row, window 
> seat.  The fuselage taper intrudes on the floor space there, so I had a 
> little triangle for my feet maybe 16x14x6".  Horrible flight, left at 1:30 pm 
> local time and arrived at 3:30 pm local time, passenger next to me chain 
> smoked the whole trip.
> 
> Great plane though, pilots loved them.
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Yeah, that 747 was something else.  

I had the best and the worst seats in Tourist class on a trip to Germany -- 
back in those days you got your seat assignment at checkin, and I had lots of 
time in Chicago on the way over.  Got a nice seat in the emergency exit row 
over the wing, a row of seats is removed for that.  Infinite foot room.

On the way back, my sister screwed around and I got to the Frankfort airport 
pretty late for an international flight, so got stuck in the last row, window 
seat.  The fuselage taper intrudes on the floor space there, so I had a little 
triangle for my feet maybe 16x14x6".  Horrible flight, left at 1:30 pm local 
time and arrived at 3:30 pm local time, passenger next to me chain smoked the 
whole trip.

Great plane though, pilots loved them.
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-16 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Any 747 variant still in service is a cargo aircraft. I’m almost certain 
everyone who had one in passenger service has retired them. Too bad - that was 
one awesome plane to fly in.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2021, at 7:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also saw a couple of 747s at DFW, one parked and one landing. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure. It said something or other charter on it. I suspect cargo but 
>> I didn’t see any cargo type doors on it but who knows. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in 
>>> service.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Just landed in Tulsa and a 727 was parked out next to the apron. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-15 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Also saw a couple of 747s at DFW, one parked and one landing. 

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> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure. It said something or other charter on it. I suspect cargo but 
> I didn’t see any cargo type doors on it but who knows. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in 
>> service.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Just landed in Tulsa and a 727 was parked out next to the apron. 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-15 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Kalitta Charters out of Michigan operates four 727s in cargo service.

Allan


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> I’m not sure. It said something or other charter on it. I suspect cargo but I 
> didn’t see any cargo type doors on it but who knows. 
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> > On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> > Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in 
> > service.
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> >> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-15 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I’m not sure. It said something or other charter on it. I suspect cargo but I 
didn’t see any cargo type doors on it but who knows. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in 
> service.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just landed in Tulsa and a 727 was parked out next to the apron. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Something you don’t see often

2021-07-15 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Passenger or freighter? According to Wikipedia it's one of 13 still in service.

Allan

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Just landed in Tulsa and a 727 was parked out next to the apron. 
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