Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I often use a lab coat when working on cars. Luther wrote: and keeps your white lab coat white :D Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-22 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-22 Thread LarryT
] best way to pull an engine I often use a lab coat when working on cars. Luther wrote: and keeps your white lab coat white :D Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-22 Thread Potter, Tom E
As long as EVERYTHING grows in proportion I guess you will be OK. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have never pulled one using a leveler, maybe I should get one. OK Don wrote: I'm on Richard's level -done a few, and both ways. I now leave the tranny on the engine - pull them as a unit. I've only done 115/617 and 107/117 chassis though. My cheap Chinese hoist and leveler worked fine with

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread OK Don
It takes all that pushing and shoving out of the job. On 3/20/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never pulled one using a leveler, maybe I should get one. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread Luther
Oh yes, this is done on dirt with a single 4'x8' sheet of 3/4 plywood under the crane. On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:47:05 -0600, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther, you made my day. On 3/19/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I can pull an engine/tranny (done it twice now) as a

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread Luther
and keeps your white lab coat white :D Luther On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:11:21 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It takes all that pushing and shoving out of the job. On 3/20/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never pulled one using a leveler, maybe I should get one.

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread OK Don
It doesn't even keep my sneakers white --- On 3/20/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and keeps your white lab coat white :D Luther -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Hendrik Riessen
- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think one of the key things is to have an engine leveller on the engine

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
on a MB, you pull the engine and tranny, much easier and thats just the way its done. Hans Neureiter wrote: Kaleb has prolly pulled more engines than the rest of us together. Here's my question: The book says pull the engine and tranny as a unit. My indy (super mechanic, but not an expert on

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea, doing it under the car is WAY worse. The book says pull as a unit, I have always done that an its much easier to do what needs to be done while out of the car. Richard Hattaway wrote: Well, I dont have Kleb's experience level I don't think, but have done this half dozen times so far.

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Jim Cathey
I did pull the pum pan and #1 rod has play. So, you _did_ find the smoking gun! Congratulations, and I'm sorry. I'd still be tempted, given a replacement engine all lined up, to try to slip in one used bearing from another dead engine just to see how it held up. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread OK Don
I'm on Richard's level -done a few, and both ways. I now leave the tranny on the engine - pull them as a unit. I've only done 115/617 and 107/117 chassis though. My cheap Chinese hoist and leveler worked fine with the iron 117 V8 and it's tranny. That leveler is really nice to work with compared

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Loren Faeth
it won't if it is knocking, there is .040 to .080 wear on the journal. The crank is toast. Loren Faeth

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Luther
If I can pull an engine/tranny (done it twice now) as a unit, anyone can. It's a cake walk. :) On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:37:26 -0600, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb has prolly pulled more engines than the rest of us together. Here's my question: The book says pull the engine

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Richard Hattaway
The shop manual of course pictured a technician in spotless white coveralls easily removing the equally spotless engine with transmission attached, at a moderate angle. Allan Yeah, Allan, and he did it in 10 minutes with no help. Just like the truck rebuild TV shows.. ROFLMAO Richard

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Hans Neureiter
Luther, you made my day. On 3/19/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I can pull an engine/tranny (done it twice now) as a unit, anyone can. It's a cake walk. :) On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:37:26 -0600, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb has prolly pulled more engines than the

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Peter Frederick
It can be tricky, but the Benz specified method works well. The trick is to lift and tilt simultaneously so that you get the bell housing past the drag link before the rear of the tranny drops too far, then pull forward as you rotate back to about 45 degrees and lift to clear the radiator

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread Rich Thomas
HF has the engine lifts on sale this week. --R

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-20 Thread dave walton
I recommend getting the 2-ton unit. On my cars, I had to fully extend the boom to avoid hitting the front bumper with the hydraulic cylinder when positioning the engine. -Dave Walton On 3/20/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HF has the engine lifts on sale this week. --R

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread dave walton
I'll defer to other people more experienced than I, but if a mechanic told me he was going to pull the transmission with the engine suspended in mid air, I'd look for another mechanic. Use some wood blocks and let the thing down to earth. Gheez. In the case of the 87SDL and the 94S350, I do not

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread Loren Faeth
I have almost always let the trans hang in the car. I can say that it is much easier to put the AUTO trans on the engine outside the car, then install as a unit. Most of what I have done is manual trans. It makes NO sense to me to pull the trans out of the car with an MB 4 speed. I think

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread Hans Neureiter
I did pull the pum pan and #1 rod has play. I have my sights on a very reasonable replacement motor thanks to Kaleb and doing a transplant is likely more economical than attempting a repair. Getting to the tranny flange bolts is not bad if you have a lift long egoungh extensions, which I have

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread LarryT
When I pulled my 240D I left the AT in place. I also put a block of wood across the TC to make sure it stayed engaged to the primary pump properly. Ya'll are right about the difficult of splitting the engine and AT when both are out of the car. When I removed my 911 engine and its 5-speed I

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread Loren Faeth
Hans, Ok. From the symptoms, i thought from the start it was a bad rod, but it is hard to tell from this distance. I didn't want to see you go to the expense of pulling the engine if, in fact it was a different problem. Best wishes. Loren At 12:07 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote: I did pull

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread Richard Hattaway
Well, I dont have Kleb's experience level I don't think, but have done this half dozen times so far. I leave the tranny on the engine every time, AT or manual. Sorry to not be part of the majority, but it is much easier IMO. I dont want to have to deal with bell housing bolts under the car.

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread Hendrik Riessen
: Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine When I pulled my 240D I left the AT in place. I also put a block of wood across the TC to make sure it stayed engaged to the primary pump properly. Ya'll are right about the difficult of splitting the engine and AT when both are out of the car. When I

Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-19 Thread Allan Streib
Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think one of the key things is to have an engine leveller on the engine crane. That way you can alter the angle of the engine and tranny. Also once the unit is out it would make it easier to position the tranny on blocks of wood. If you are tempted