Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. Yeah, it's stunning. Everything else looks like a cat in heat by comparison. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
W113 good visibility too:) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 4:09 PM, clay wrote: > I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting > in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. > > clay > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain >>> wrote: >>> Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? >> >> >>> The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The bottoms of the >>> windows in the rear are higher than the ones in the front, too. >> Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but >> certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, >> where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward >> from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a >> junkyard together and fell in love with a Triumph TR7. >> >> Alex >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?
Tell that to my mother. She is the Auschwitz of cotton-tailed populations of PNW. At least she takes them out in a japanese car. Costs less to fix it up clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:26 PM, MG wrote: > Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from > hitting any bunnies. :-) > > Manfred > > > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:01:24 -0700 > From: clay > > I attended a MBCA club event to the body shop. All the gimcrackery hooked to > the front bumpers of the newer cars will turn a simple roadkill event into a > major insurance extravaganza. Hit a bunny and the $2500 plastic bumper is > the least of the issues. There is another $12k to hook all the sensors and > crap back into the computers. > > clay > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?
Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from hitting any bunnies. :-) Manfred Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:01:24 -0700 From: clay I attended a MBCA club event to the body shop. All the gimcrackery hooked to the front bumpers of the newer cars will turn a simple roadkill event into a major insurance extravaganza. Hit a bunny and the $2500 plastic bumper is the least of the issues. There is another $12k to hook all the sensors and crap back into the computers. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?
There were far too many black on black opportunities. Victor has a parchment interior on black. Seats are pierced leather and could probably be retrofitted to fan cooled. Early w220 had the seats, the w210s do not. clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, clay wrote: > >> There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on >> this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the >> gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled >> seats, massaging chairs, heated rear chairs, rear controlled AC, automagic >> window and roof open/close for hot days, TPMS, integrated >> phone/GPS/TeleAid, self flushing monkey dookie, keyless GO, ESP, ABC, EFG, >> $. >> > > Out of that long list the only options I care about are > --cooled/ventilated seats--If I can't get fabric as an option on a > US-delivered MB or any other luxury car, at least let me be a little more > comfortable sitting on dark hot leather in the summer > --ESP--pace the "anything beyond a manual transmission is the monstrous > hand of Big Brother taking away from my control of my car" crowd, there > *are* situations where it will save your bacon, just like ABS. > > The second was standard on most or all 140s. I have no idea what model > they started putting the seat ventilators in, probably early '00s for the > S-class and mid '00s for the E? > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE
Late model W140 would have been my choice instead of the W220. SWMBA wanted newer, so I end up with those bells and whistles, instead of a properly appointed ride. An expense and quality issue for me. The w220 just feels cheezy compared to the w124. Fuzzy crap instead of MB-tex or leather interior coverings. Seats are leather, quite nice. The Kung-Fu grip GI Joe beard coated pillars and doors is just Kia quality. clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Joe Sasser wrote: > Thanks everyone who responded to my query about experiences with either or > both S classes. > > Seems the consensus is that the w140 is the way to go, even though (at least > to me) the w220 is just jam packed with features some of which are now > standard on Kia! > > Gotta go searching now, I hear the West Coast calling for affordable w140s. > > Thanks, > Joe > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. clay On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain >> wrote: >> >>> Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility >>> anymore? >> > > >> The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The bottoms of the >> windows in the rear are higher than the ones in the front, too. >> >> > Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but > certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, > where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward > from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a > junkyard together and fell in love with a Triumph TR7. > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, clay wrote: > There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on > this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the > gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled > seats, massaging chairs, heated rear chairs, rear controlled AC, automagic > window and roof open/close for hot days, TPMS, integrated > phone/GPS/TeleAid, self flushing monkey dookie, keyless GO, ESP, ABC, EFG, > $. > Out of that long list the only options I care about are --cooled/ventilated seats--If I can't get fabric as an option on a US-delivered MB or any other luxury car, at least let me be a little more comfortable sitting on dark hot leather in the summer --ESP--pace the "anything beyond a manual transmission is the monstrous hand of Big Brother taking away from my control of my car" crowd, there *are* situations where it will save your bacon, just like ABS. The second was standard on most or all 140s. I have no idea what model they started putting the seat ventilators in, probably early '00s for the S-class and mid '00s for the E? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?
There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled seats, massaging chairs, heated rear chairs, rear controlled AC, automagic window and roof open/close for hot days, TPMS, integrated phone/GPS/TeleAid, self flushing monkey dookie, keyless GO, ESP, ABC, EFG, $. I attended a MBCA club event to the body shop. All the gimcrackery hooked to the front bumpers of the newer cars will turn a simple roadkill event into a major insurance extravaganza. Hit a bunny and the $2500 plastic bumper is the least of the issues. There is another $12k to hook all the sensors and crap back into the computers. clay On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: > Question is, if a 126 is uncomfortable, then I think there is something > wrong, such as worn seat. > However don't the 220 have massaging seats or something? > > Hendrik > who can sit in a MB all day and feel fine, other cars = soreness after an > hour or two > > On 12/07/13 08:25, Dan Penoff wrote: >> 1.) If you find a decent W110 or W111, please let me know. I'm sort of in >> the very, very beginning stages of looking for one. >> >> 2.) If you're looking for something more modern and you still want the >> solid, living room comfort of a W126, I would highly recommend that you >> check out the very last of the W140 chassis cars, which I believe are MY 98 >> and 99. By this point they had worked out all the deficiencies and the cars >> were very reliable and relatively trouble free. The W140 can be worked on >> by a decent DIY person for a great deal of the systems, and there are plenty >> of great resources out there like BenzWorld.org where you can find lots of >> help and DIY information. >> >> If I had to buy another daily driver I would be looking at these cars. >> They're solid, have the panache of the older MB chassis, and prices have >> settled to a point where you can find some nice examples with a lot of life >> left in them. >> >> Dan >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: >> I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to previous E class models. Very oriental in and cheapo carpet, dash as well as headliner clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers >>> Yes, exactly why I can't see buying any post 124/126 MB. A 126 is SO much >>> better, simpler (even though it is complex) and easier/cheaper to maintain. >>> >>> Maybe by an off lease new one and then sell/buy another every year IF you >>> can afford it. But they are no longer the low cost per mile vehicle that >>> the 110 through 126 are/were. >>> >>> So I think newish stuff will be frods, dogdes or maybe even an Imp. for me. >>> >>> The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the >>> lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k >>> miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except >>> diesels and a lot less money to get into. $3k will buy you a decent car >>> with under 100k miles IF you shop around. >>> >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Joe Sasser wrote: > Gotta go searching now, I hear the West Coast calling for affordable w140s. > > It sure is! I live near Portland and have family in the SF Bay area, so I have a good excuse to search Craigslist down there---if I find a nice candidate I can fly down, visit the folks, go car shopping, and maybe drive a new acquisition home! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Yup, the rear view from the Pasat is not as good as the 124s it replaced, but might be a bit better than the new C class we drove last year before buying the Passat. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about the best you can get > but still not great. > > -Curt -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
On 11/07/2013 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on wagons and hatchbacks) everywhere I look. Alex ___ Pickups are not so wonderful for rear view either. They are so tall that a small car that pulls up close behind me at a stop light essentially disappears. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a CHOPPED TOP Triumph TR7. Fixed it for ya. TR7s don't have gun slits for windows, modern rolling bunkers do. I don't know if it's to save the weight of the glass, or to make the doors stronger with a higher place to mount air bags, or styling, or a combination of all three. The problem is I feel like I'm sitting in a German pillbox waiting for the Normandy Invasion to land in front of me. Mitch. A lot of them look like armored cars by intent. I loved the one 108/109 ad MBNA ran in the 70s in newspapers. It showed a family in the car, looking through the windshield. There was so much glass and visibility Then we lived in an open, confident, secure society. Now after 20-40 years of the jackass party and the media minions beating on us, they have turned us to a dependent, insecure society run by the new gestapo. every thing we do is saved in the goobermnt vaults to be used against us individually, if they choose. So, you'd better keep you lip zipped. The cars only mimic the society we have. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about the best you can get but still not great. -Curt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. > Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on wagons and hatchbacks) everywhere I look. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a CHOPPED TOP Triumph TR7. Fixed it for ya. TR7s don't have gun slits for windows, modern rolling bunkers do. I don't know if it's to save the weight of the glass, or to make the doors stronger with a higher place to mount air bags, or styling, or a combination of all three. The problem is I feel like I'm sitting in a German pillbox waiting for the Normandy Invasion to land in front of me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Probably due to wind resistance (CoD), lower = more mpg. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but > certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, > where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward > from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a > junkyard together and fell in love with a Triumph TR7. > > Alex > -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain > wrote: > > > Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility > > anymore? > > The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The bottoms of the > windows in the rear are higher than the ones in the front, too. > > Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a Triumph TR7. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility > anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just > fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on > wagons and hatchbacks) everywhere I look. The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The bottoms of the windows in the rear are higher than the ones in the front, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. > Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on wagons and hatchbacks) everywhere I look. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
It seemed everything was easy on a 123. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:30 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220? > Dieselhead wrote: > > The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply > the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron > gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s > and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. > $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k miles IF you shop > around. Is money the only factor? What about ease of repair. That's part of why I like my W123s. That and I really like diesel as a fuel. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
> Dieselhead wrote: The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k miles IF you shop around. Is money the only factor? What about ease of repair. That's part of why I like my W123s. That and I really like diesel as a fuel. -- Philip Durability, quality of construction, safety, visibility, agility, braking capability, ease of repair, "image" and yes, financial. the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
> Dieselhead wrote: > > The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply > the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron > gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s > and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. > $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k miles IF you shop > around. Is money the only factor? What about ease of repair. That's part of why I like my W123s. That and I really like diesel as a fuel. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?
Question is, if a 126 is uncomfortable, then I think there is something wrong, such as worn seat. However don't the 220 have massaging seats or something? Hendrik who can sit in a MB all day and feel fine, other cars = soreness after an hour or two On 12/07/13 08:25, Dan Penoff wrote: 1.) If you find a decent W110 or W111, please let me know. I'm sort of in the very, very beginning stages of looking for one. 2.) If you're looking for something more modern and you still want the solid, living room comfort of a W126, I would highly recommend that you check out the very last of the W140 chassis cars, which I believe are MY 98 and 99. By this point they had worked out all the deficiencies and the cars were very reliable and relatively trouble free. The W140 can be worked on by a decent DIY person for a great deal of the systems, and there are plenty of great resources out there like BenzWorld.org where you can find lots of help and DIY information. If I had to buy another daily driver I would be looking at these cars. They're solid, have the panache of the older MB chassis, and prices have settled to a point where you can find some nice examples with a lot of life left in them. Dan On Jul 11, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to previous E class models. Very oriental in and cheapo carpet, dash as well as headliner clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers Yes, exactly why I can't see buying any post 124/126 MB. A 126 is SO much better, simpler (even though it is complex) and easier/cheaper to maintain. Maybe by an off lease new one and then sell/buy another every year IF you can afford it. But they are no longer the low cost per mile vehicle that the 110 through 126 are/were. So I think newish stuff will be frods, dogdes or maybe even an Imp. for me. The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k miles IF you shop around. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
1.) If you find a decent W110 or W111, please let me know. I'm sort of in the very, very beginning stages of looking for one. 2.) If you're looking for something more modern and you still want the solid, living room comfort of a W126, I would highly recommend that you check out the very last of the W140 chassis cars, which I believe are MY 98 and 99. By this point they had worked out all the deficiencies and the cars were very reliable and relatively trouble free. The W140 can be worked on by a decent DIY person for a great deal of the systems, and there are plenty of great resources out there like BenzWorld.org where you can find lots of help and DIY information. If I had to buy another daily driver I would be looking at these cars. They're solid, have the panache of the older MB chassis, and prices have settled to a point where you can find some nice examples with a lot of life left in them. Dan On Jul 11, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: >> I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice >> example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That >> said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to >> maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to >> previous E class models. Very oriental in and cheapo carpet, dash as well >> as headliner >> >> >> clay >> >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > Yes, exactly why I can't see buying any post 124/126 MB. A 126 is SO much > better, simpler (even though it is complex) and easier/cheaper to maintain. > > Maybe by an off lease new one and then sell/buy another every year IF you can > afford it. But they are no longer the low cost per mile vehicle that the 110 > through 126 are/were. > > So I think newish stuff will be frods, dogdes or maybe even an Imp. for me. > > The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest > cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles > routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a > lot less money to get into. $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k > miles IF you shop around. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
1.) If you find a decent W110 or W111, please let me know. I'm sort of in the very, very beginning stages of looking for one. 2.) If you're looking for something more modern and you still want the solid, living room comfort of a W126, I would highly recommend that you check out the very last of the W140 chassis cars, which I believe are MY 98 and 99. By this point they had worked out all the deficiencies and the cars were very reliable and relatively trouble free. The W140 can be worked on by a decent DIY person for a great deal of the systems, and there are plenty of great resources out there like BenzWorld.org where you can find lots of help and DIY information. If I had to buy another daily driver I would be looking at these cars. They're solid, have the panache of the older MB chassis, and prices have settled to a point where you can find some nice examples with a lot of life left in them. Dan On Jul 11, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: >> I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice >> example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That >> said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to >> maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to >> previous E class models. Very oriental in and cheapo carpet, dash as well >> as headliner >> >> >> clay >> >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > Yes, exactly why I can't see buying any post 124/126 MB. A 126 is SO much > better, simpler (even though it is complex) and easier/cheaper to maintain. > > Maybe by an off lease new one and then sell/buy another every year IF you can > afford it. But they are no longer the low cost per mile vehicle that the 110 > through 126 are/were. > > So I think newish stuff will be frods, dogdes or maybe even an Imp. for me. > > The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest > cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles > routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a > lot less money to get into. $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k > miles IF you shop around. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to previous E class models. Very oriental in and cheapo carpet, dash as well as headliner clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers Yes, exactly why I can't see buying any post 124/126 MB. A 126 is SO much better, simpler (even though it is complex) and easier/cheaper to maintain. Maybe by an off lease new one and then sell/buy another every year IF you can afford it. But they are no longer the low cost per mile vehicle that the 110 through 126 are/were. So I think newish stuff will be frods, dogdes or maybe even an Imp. for me. The beauty of the 110 through 123 Diesels is that they are simply the lowest cost per mile vehicle available. now deetriot iron gets 250 to 350k miles routinely, and better mileage than the 70s and 80s stuff except diesels and a lot less money to get into. $3k will buy you a decent car with under 100k miles IF you shop around. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
I am not sure I made a great choice in getting the w220. It is a very nice example that gets praise from the people at shops I have taken her to. That said, the thing is overly complex and bound to be very expensive to maintain. Selection of design parts is rather substandard compared to previous E class models. Very oriental in and cheapo carpet, dash as well as headliner clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > The W140 is a land yacht of a car, and almost as good as a well sorted out > W126 for road trips. > > That being said, it is far more complex, with the resulting expense due to > the many sophisticated systems it has. > > My comments are not meant to frighten or deter you from going with a W140, > but there are some pitfalls to be conscious of should you decide to go that > direction. > > If you have specific questions, let me know. > > I would add that my 1995 S500 coupe just turned 250k a few days ago and has > been trouble free through my ownership. > > Dan > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Joe Sasser wrote: > >> With my back having become worse, it's time to update S-classes from the >> w126 I've been driving for the past 10-11 years. >> >> It's a 300SD, and the mileage is phenomenal. Lots of work has gone into it, >> from a new engine, rebuilt tranny (with only 10k miles on it), and a >> complete AC overhaul, replacing EVERY little piece, to the point of the guys >> asking if I wanted R12 or 134. >> >> But with driving back/forth to Houston (100miles each way) lately, the ride >> just isn't what it used to be. So I've started looking around, and >> originally thought the w220 would be too far from my grasp. However, there >> are some around to be found for a good price. >> >> I love the looks of the w140, and the interior & goodies of the w220. So, to >> those of you here which own one or both, or have owned either or both, what >> are the pros/cons of each model? >> >> This most likely will be the car to keep till I'm old & grey. Any/all advice >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Joe Sasser wrote: With my back having become worse, it's time to update S-classes from the w126 I've been driving for the past 10-11 years. It's a 300SD, and the mileage is phenomenal. Lots of work has gone into it, from a new engine, rebuilt tranny (with only 10k miles on it), and a complete AC overhaul, replacing EVERY little piece, to the point of the guys asking if I wanted R12 or 134. But with driving back/forth to Houston (100miles each way) lately, the ride just isn't what it used to be. What would it cost to replace all the shock absorbers and rubber bits in the suspension? Couldn't be more than you should budget for sorting out any used car purchase, could it? Is your driver's seat OK, or should it be rebuilt or swapped with the passenger seat? Dan said his W140 is almost as good a cruiser as a W126. Sounds like a (small) step down to me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
The W140 is a land yacht of a car, and almost as good as a well sorted out W126 for road trips. That being said, it is far more complex, with the resulting expense due to the many sophisticated systems it has. My comments are not meant to frighten or deter you from going with a W140, but there are some pitfalls to be conscious of should you decide to go that direction. If you have specific questions, let me know. I would add that my 1995 S500 coupe just turned 250k a few days ago and has been trouble free through my ownership. Dan On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Joe Sasser wrote: > With my back having become worse, it's time to update S-classes from the w126 > I've been driving for the past 10-11 years. > > It's a 300SD, and the mileage is phenomenal. Lots of work has gone into it, > from a new engine, rebuilt tranny (with only 10k miles on it), and a complete > AC overhaul, replacing EVERY little piece, to the point of the guys asking if > I wanted R12 or 134. > > But with driving back/forth to Houston (100miles each way) lately, the ride > just isn't what it used to be. So I've started looking around, and originally > thought the w220 would be too far from my grasp. However, there are some > around to be found for a good price. > > I love the looks of the w140, and the interior & goodies of the w220. So, to > those of you here which own one or both, or have owned either or both, what > are the pros/cons of each model? > > This most likely will be the car to keep till I'm old & grey. Any/all advice > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
