I'd be real interested in starting to use / develop for the MC IDE, but
don't want to have to switch between applications. Here are my thoughts on
some future directions for discussion:
1. Separate as many as possible MC IDE components out as standalone
componenets that can be used in any
2009/4/27 Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com
I have been thinking into a similar direction lately. The main issue is
about how to decide what is a component and what isn't. For example a script
editor contains stuff for debugging, auto-completion (... sometimes),
colorisation, undo handling,
2009/2/10 Ray Horsley r...@linkit.com
Thanks Brian but I'm afraid including the body tags doesn't render
anything either. I've also tried including a document declaration as in the
example below but I'm still getting nothing rendered. (That's the trouble
when working with externals. You
Thanks Richard - maybe you could advise - I want to develop some plugins for
all 3 environments - Rev, MC and Galaxy. At the moment I use Galaxy, but as
it looks like I am going to make a custom Script Editor, I thought I would
start to use MC again more seriously. Develop is not quite the right
Going to install MC on a new machine. Whats the latest strategy for interop
with RunRev? Can you switch between the environments?
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I've read the instruction about installing MC - and remember some earlier
discussions and experiments along the lines of installing it within the Rev
environment. I've got an experimental stack which switches the default
menubar from Rev to MC... was wandering if anyone has a set up with MC IDE
as
On a basic note - can't really find installation notes in the group:
On OS X you need to copy the executable from the the Revolution bundle in *
Revolution.app/Contents/MacOS/Revolution* to *
MetaCard.app/Contents/MacOS/MetaCard*
Doesn't really any anything about getting the home stack
Hmmm... still failing on OSX - I've tried changing the pList in copied Rev
bundle - renamed things as stated. Put the Home and help and tools stack at
the same level for 2.9
On OS X you need to copy the executable from the the Revolution bundle in *
Revolution.app/Contents/MacOS/Revolution*
I took a quick look at the Plugins interface for MC - it differs from
Revs naturally :)
My question regards the plugin API - is it the same as Revs - so are
plugins compatible? Are there any docs?
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How about what the marketing people would say - give on a .mc extension
and colour it yellow or soemthing and the other one a .rev extension and
colour it blue?
Talking of which - how do you tell which environment you are in? If there is
no way can I suggest we have something in the backscript
With a little fear and trepidation I downloaded and installed successfully!
In the introduction it would be reassuiring to say that the existing Rev
installation won't be touched?
In my igorance, which could possibly (but I'm sure unlikely) be shared by
future users, I wrongly selected the:
A few related questions:
1. How and where are the ask and answer dialogs called? Are the stack
names fixed in the engine (now that would be a bad idea) - or is it a script
in the IDE? If so can't we just rename these stacks and hack the script - so
we can have both IDEs open at the same
On 15/07/07, Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are the stack names fixed in the engine (now that would be a bad idea)
I'm afraid this is the case.
OK - that officially sucks
MC uses other differnet stacks (stored as Answer dialog and Ask
dialog as substacks of mctools.mc)
than Rev
On 15/07/07, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are one or two experts who tried this. It appears that closing
the Rev IDE and firing up the MC IDE isn't that much of a problem.
Closing the MC IDE and restarting the Rev IDE with all globals,
locals, properties and everything else
Can't imagine what that could be? After all if Jerry can do it with Galaxy
then it can be done with MC can as well?
Dialogs... seems to me that if you dynamically hack out the stackfiles lines
in RunRev:
Ask Dialog,/Users/david/Desktop/Revolution
Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/Toolset/revaskdialog.rev
it :)
On 15/07/07, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't imagine what that could be? After all if Jerry can do it with Galaxy
then it can be done with MC can as well?
Dialogs... seems to me that if you dynamically hack out the stackfiles
lines in RunRev:
Ask Dialog,/Users/david/Desktop
I have not found any problems with name space collision using the technique
Chipp described. Locking messages and loading a stack with the same name
into memory seems fine - you just remove it from memory using the file name
(long stack name). I tested it quite a bit and routinely run through 40
On 02/07/07, Brian Yennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reading from a file should be perfectly safe even if it is in use -
writing is the dangerous one.
True - but I see no advantage over using the built in exists() function and
removing the stack from memory afterwards - it is not subject to
These are the functions I have:
function stack_Exists someName
-- will not add stack to memory
set lockmessages to true
put the mainstacks into stacksInMemory
put empty into shortStackName
if exists(stack someName) then
put true into safeExistence
put
sure
there are better ways.
On 02/07/07, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Bovill wrote:
These are the functions I have:
function stack_Exists someName
-- will not add stack to memory
set lockmessages to true
put the mainstacks into stacksInMemory
put empty
Its been a while since I have been on this list!
At Richards prompting I have just downloaded and tried out the Metacard IDE
- and I must say the interface has changed :) Which prompts me to ask a
couple of questions:
1. Is there is a change list - or anything like that?
2. What are the
Is there an archive of engines somewhere still ?
Thanx
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Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
Sorry, I apparently forgot the smiley.
Thanks... I got the smiley on my system - in fact I got a nice big
chuckle :) I'm going to download today. A question though - have the
downloads moved over to the one month try out? And if so is this going
to work after expiration?
OK - so how do I / can I get my license working in Rev? Besides the
little 'ol problem of not knowing where I put it (i've been using my
home stack)?
I've got a license for 2.4.3 but not 2.5 yet... am I out or in luck :)
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Richard Gaskin wrote:
If someone's willing to pay for a neutral host with more space for at
least
a few years I'm game to use it.
OK - so I'll set this up by the weekend.
Robert Brenstein wrote:
If we really stick to distributing just MC IDE, then sure, 20 mb will
suffice.
It would be wrong to
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Dual-use options seem optimal for all. There are a great many very smart,
experienced people with a demonstrated interest in producing free software
who use only Rev. Those enhancements that work in both IDEs benefit from
the combined brainpower available to both camps.
Richard Gaskin wrote:
If this seems useful to folks, let's talk about how this can be
enhanced/developed/customized/etc. Maybe we can start getting some work
done.
A way nifty gadget, Scott.
Great. I think it's granular enough for now.
Uploading doesn't replace stack but uploads a copy to the
Ken Ray wrote:
The only concern about PD I have is that it is just that: public
domain. Anyone can take what we have and do whatever they want with
it, including marketing it commercially. In other words, PD may be
too a broad license. Do we care?
No. If someone wants to take the MC IDE
MisterX wrote:
it's probably changed now but this was yahoo's agreement..
By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or
warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the
royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable
Dave Cragg wrote:
One possible problem not discussed so far is the inclusion of libUrl
with the IDE. The same (identical) library script is distributed with
Rev, and I don't imagine they would like it to be covered by any of the
more restrictive licenses. (And I don't suppose it could be.) The
Richard Gaskin wrote:
MisterX wrote:
it's probably changed now but this was yahoo's agreement..
By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or
warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the
royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive
J. Landman Gay wrote:
After reading all the responses, I'm going to vote for this. It seems to
me that public domain is the easiest solution, doesn't require any
special handling, allows anyone to do anything without legal
entanglments, and is just generally easier to manage. So I vote for
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Robert Brenstein wrote:
Creating distribution packages, as Scott used to do, may not be worth
the effort for this group, but it may be desirable to have an option
to make engines available on IDE web site for a single-stop
downloading. We do not have to have them, but...
A
Ray G. Miller wrote:
Do we have the SourceForge URL yet?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opn-repository/
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Richard Gaskin wrote:
Has anyone checked:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-not-lgpl.html
I read it. It seems a good discussion of GPL issues as they relate to
libraries.
What do you see as the implications for the MC IDE?
GNU use LGPL (lesser GLP) for libraries - and the reasons they argue
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I asked Scott if we could have an FTP account set up for the IDE project at
metacard.com. While that won't work, he suggested setting the project up at
SourceForge.net. In accordance with his wishes, I'll set up the project's
home there as soon as we get a copy of
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Cool. What's the URL? I thought you couldn't set up a project there until
you had a file ready to go (
Better still send me your user name and I'll register you as chief
poobah! Think you should get an email with all the instructions sent to
you and can play to your
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Monte Goulding wrote:
I don't think LGPL is really inteded for this kind of thing. It's more for
libraries that can be included in commercial apps without breaking the
license or making the commercial app open source.
The difference is that with LGPL you have no problem
Richard Gaskin wrote:
David Bovill wrote:
The simple
story is to use the LGPL if you may wish to distribute the open source
code with 'linked' libraries (read IDE or engine here) which is not GPL'd.
Hmmm I had never considered including the Rev engine with the MC IDE
distribution
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Every project needs an owner. Not in the legal sense of property, but in
the terms of responsibility.
Yes. maybe it is better to let leadership emerge based on work done and
contributions to the group. Neutrality and the ability to bring people
together around the project
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- It would be essential also to track versions. David Bovill was hinting
at CVS and it's a possibility but
I had an idea were we could track these as customproperties instead. Im
sure there's advantages to
both as well as disadvantages. The essential would be to track
I think you need to use the unicodetext property not the text property:
set the unicodetext of fld 1 to the unicodetext of fld 2
Thomas McCarthy wrote:
Up to MC 2.4 I was using the htmltext property to do all my Kanji, but it's a real drag.
With 2.5 I tried the unicode feature, but have run
This is exactly the sort of service / product that will be destroyed by
the proposed change. My situation is similar for open source programming
books - students / readers need to be able to do limited coding.
The fact that this does not effect anyone with a licenced home stack is
clear, but
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 13:13, Klaus Major wrote:
I still think the free StarterKit was the best thing ever.
One could play with it, get used to the app and even build useful
things :-)
...and 30 (contiguous?) days may be not enough, even with no script
limits...
30 days is not
I am making a sound and music machine for my daughter - unfortunately I
can't find the work i did a couple of years back on this and am running
out of time (it's a birthday present)- so am looking for any MC/Rev bits
and pieces that I can use to cobble this together.
The bits:
1) Pretty
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 03:59, Chipp Walters wrote:
If you set up a video stream - I can toast you from here (London)! Monte
can join us for breakfast (Australia) and Chipp - how about some live
action footage from the ranche ?
Sure, but there's not much live action here considering it was
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 14:02, Sparticus Zarris wrote:
Please, don't tell me to write a function like this:
function convolutedGetPixelColor aPoint
set the screenMouseLoc to aPoint
get the mouseColor
return it
end convolutedGetPixelColor
Oh go on - let me :)
Not done it - but
If you set up a video stream - I can toast you from here (London)! Monte
can join us for breakfast (Australia) and Chipp - how about some live
action footage from the ranche ?
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 01:05, Monte Goulding wrote:
Yes it made me green with envy given OZ-RUG has a grand total of 4
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 22:31, Dr. John R. Vokey wrote:
Thus,
rather being an essential part of metacard/RR, this dynamism becomes a
feature *only* licensed users (developers?) can use, but can't retain
in the stacks they produce.
for some, at least me, it is the dynamism that is my
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:40, Robert Brenstein wrote:
What I meant in my earlier post is that maybe Rev can introduce
procedure to lift these limits for specific projects (they could
review them to ensure that the app can't be used to bypass their
licensing and thus reduce sales) for a
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 10:00, Tuviah M Snyder wrote:
WW4 Bush hasn't started WW3 yet, give him some time.
Please contact me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to work with
you on this.
Which feature Tuviah - WW3 or the OpenGL thing?
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On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 15:50, jbv wrote:
I had a look at 3D Lingo (I dropped Director around version 4, andit made
me feel strange to go back to this crappy sprite stuff)...
Please don't take it personal, but it's the typical example of what
I'd like to avoid...
Snap - left around the same
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 14:12, jbv wrote:
And BTW again, did anyone contact Kevin privately about this
script limit thing, as suggested in his original message ?
And did anyone get an answer ?
I'm not so interested in the content of the answer, but much more in
knowing if any answer has been
My understanding is that WW4 has begun.
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:56, jbv wrote:
Hi all,
I'm a bit surprised by the lack of response to
my post from 2 weeks ago regarding the best
way to implement openGL in MC...
Has everybody lost interest in that feature ?
Or is everyone on vacation
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 04:53, Chipp Walters wrote:
In order to create the next generation: a new and much faster version of RR,
we're going to have to remove the 'set the script' command and treat
Transcript just as other compilers-- like C++, etc..
Would this make a difference? IOW, if
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 13:05, jbv wrote:
But my main question regarding the implementation of
openGL in MC was : how end users would like to access
3D properties and functions from within MetaTalk scripts...
Anyone who has some experience with openGL coding
in C/C++ or Java knows that using
Adopting a core technology such as a programming language is a major
investment. Most people qualify the risk of this investment by going
with the big-boys - just in case.
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 05:12, Chipp Walters wrote:
Dan, most excellent point! This is and should be a huge concern for
with this. I remember someone saying that the command.com command ( used
by
the shell() command ) was not so reliable.
So, i gave up with this solution. BTW, i was on WIN 98 box.
Yes - I think this is not a problem in Linux?
Then, instead of passing from metacard to Perl a full program, i
Trying to avoid writing a file then reading it in. The data I have is in a
variable - and may contain quotes.
Best way? Thinking that I should open the process and write the variable to
the opened process as shell syntax may not work so well?
Any help?
If there aree a few people on the list who would value and contribute to a
public Wiki for issues related to Metacard and Rev - I'll put one up. I
think it could help with the support / documentation?
Scott - any issues problems taking existing MC help material and ReadMe
files and putting them
I have swiki installed on my server if you would like
to try it. It has some nice features that many wikis
do not have, such as : (1) the editing form includes a
field to change the name of the page; (2) when you
change it, the name of a page is replaced everywhere
in the wiki, e.g. no
The gist of what I was getting at, though, is that the
reason why David might prefer blogs over wikis is that
wikis lack the automation of blogs.
Nice sentence Alain :)
It's close but in fact I like wikis and dislike blogs. But I was pretty
sure that Blog's would work for people and that
PS: Blogs are very hot right now. FreeCard has its own
blog now, at : http://www.communautic.uqam.ca/blog/ .
A blog is similar to a wiki, and many existing blogs
were crafted with wiki source-code. But the 'kicker'
is that all blogs ( apparently some wikis too) can be
remotely controlled via
Do you mean creating a server side implementation or did any one use it :)
I've not used MC to create server side blog/Wiki stuff -- it's already been
done, but adding custom stuff to the core structure is I think a more
productive line to take.
On the end-user side, I've never been a fan of
Well, wikis are meant to do a different thing (i.e. documenting a group
project), weblogs are personal expression. I'm not too crazy about wikis
myself though if they are well designed they could be useful and easy to
use.
Regards, Andu Novac
A couple of interesting links regarding
Thanks Ken / Richard,
Seems like the seconds is unix time providing your time zone is set right
on the local machine = seconds since glamrock hit.
internet time is used in email etc
David,
See the internet date... doing that from my copy of MC (I'm in
Wisconsin) gave me:
Mon, 2 Jun 2003
Was in a position on holiday (in an internet café), where I had to transfer
files from Linux to Mac to PC without the network that I'd set up at home /
work.. so put something together that used datagram sockets instead...
Found that the quick hack I used only worked for small files. Think I need
Is there a way of getting the unix time = date since the epoch? This is
like the seconds but adjusted to be independent of time zones...
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Forgot to mention ... needs to work cross platform (including MacOS). If
there is not a built in function, then does anyone have any code for
returning the time zone a machine is in?
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Having problems figuring out how to set the matchText regular expressions to
search multiple lines: the perl reference inclded in the Readme file talks
about using /s as a modifier to achieve this - but stuck there?
thanx
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 17:07, Ken Ray wrote:
My knowlege of Linux is severely limited... how does 'netscape' associate
the program with the Netscape browser, and can you give an example of how
would you associate it with another browser? Just trying to understand...
I think this is down to
get shell(konqueror http://www.slackware.com;)
Blocks and you have to type command-period to exit, same with:
get shell(konqueror http://www.slackware.com )
which is what actually works in the shell.
Any suggestions? Thoughts on how to combine a browser and MC on Linux
for 2-way
No way to pass a url to open process I think.
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 17:07, Ken Ray wrote:
My knowlege of Linux is severely limited... how does 'netscape'
associate
the program with the Netscape browser, and can you give an example of
how
would you associate it with another browser? Just trying to
understand...
I think this is down to
you could post the contents of a web page (url encoded) and then
urldecode it in a cgi the other end?
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Ok Linux gurus
So how do you use metacard as find the url the browser is currently on?
In MacOs you can use an AppleScript...
The only thing I can think of is to configure MC as a file helper, or
maybe create a cgi which uses the $HTTP_REFERER and then do something
with a bookmark?
get shell(konqueror http://www.slackware.com;)
Blocks and you have to type command-period to exit, same with:
get shell(konqueror http://www.slackware.com )
which is what actually works in the shell.
Any suggestions? Thoughts on how to combine a browser and MC on Linux
for 2-way
No way to pass a url to open process I think.
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Any recommendations regarding the best video format to use for cross
platform use? Not sussed video on Linux yet :(
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On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 16:30, andu wrote:
I use Fluxbox as wm which is as lean and fast as it can get (makes you feel
really sorry for kde users;-). The windows looks and behavior can also be
customized easily. For desktop I use Rox which uses gtk (I stayed away from
gtk 2.x since I got
What's the latest? What's the best format to use for xplatform video in
MC?
I thought that MPEG1 was the crossplatform format... looking at the man
pages for xanim... MPEG playback is incomplete, and the player choked on
a downloaded movie. Noatun plays it using Mpeglib...
Reference talks about
On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 17:42, Scott Raney wrote:
No, it's apparently just a conflict in the way the KDE (didn't try
Gnome) window manager stacks windows: it's putting the backdrop window
on *top* of the other windows. Worse, KDE at some point completely
lost the ability to
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Any recommendations regarding the best video format to use for cross
platform use? Not sussed video on Linux yet :(
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On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course now I just need a way to maintain some persistent memory (i.e.
database cache). Any ideas? I can write globals to disk if needed, but I
can't afford to re-create the database cache on every run of the script.
Sounds like maybe
Haven't tracked this down yet... but in moving a simple http server
stack over to run under the Linux 2.4.3 engine - I get no connection.
The same stack serves up files fine with the 2.4.2 MacOs PPC version.
I note there have been some changes to the way datagram sockets work in
2.4.3:
The
On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 05:31, andu wrote:
--On Monday, August 26, 2002 21:21:49 -0700 Richard Gaskin
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- paint tools do not generate an error:
choose brush tool
set the brushcolor to blue
drag from 60,60 to 80,80
select img 1 of stack
On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 17:42, Scott Raney wrote:
No, it's apparently just a conflict in the way the KDE (didn't try
Gnome) window manager stacks windows: it's putting the backdrop window
on *top* of the other windows. Worse, KDE at some point completely
lost the ability to show a window with
On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 16:30, andu wrote:
I use Fluxbox as wm which is as lean and fast as it can get (makes you feel
really sorry for kde users;-). The windows looks and behavior can also be
customized easily. For desktop I use Rox which uses gtk (I stayed away from
gtk 2.x since I got
What's the latest? What's the best format to use for xplatform video in
MC?
I thought that MPEG1 was the crossplatform format... looking at the man
pages for xanim... MPEG playback is incomplete, and the player choked on
a downloaded movie. Noatun plays it using Mpeglib...
Reference talks about
Does you have any scripts for connecting (+ running SQL) to a MySQL
database?
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OK the way I'm doing it at the moment is to pipe SQL from MC into MySQL
using the shell() command - not sure if there is a better way but this works
without having to use php or another intermediate scripting language.
function executeSQL someSql, mySqlHost, userName, password
put | mysql -h
Does the library support posting data with this format?
Would this work if I:
1) use a function to encode the data as multipart/form encoded,
2) set the httpheaders to include Content type: mulipart/form-data;
boundary= someboundary
3) post the encoded data using libUrl?
Anyone played with this any further with the new liburl stuff...
From: LiangTyan Fui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:09:07 +0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cookies?
set httpheaders to Cookie: xxx
I'd love to Roy,
I've been working on a collaborative framework for working open source MC
projects off and on for around 9 months now. If you would like to open
source the code then let me know...
Either way I'd love a look,
David
PS - don't announce anything on the list yet, till I've got
Ho-humm...
Pesky reply-to buttons.
Oh well maybe it's for the best... it's a kind of pre-release :) - anyone
interested get in touch and I'll add you to the list. The initial framework
will be based around XML and CVS. The project is currently hosted on
Sourceforge - though there will be
From: andu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Open Source Project
So what is this project about? What does it do?
It's designed to do the same sort of thing CVS does for open source projects
- allow easy sharing and standards based documentation of handlers. The
handler repository is held on
From: andu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MC 2.4.2 Feature Wish
Regards
Monte Goulding
B.App.Sc. (Hons.)
What means B.App.Sc (Hons.), if you don't mind?
In the UK it stand for brilliant applied scientist - which more recently
has become extended to cover non-scientific fields such as
Oh wow!
From: Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MetaCard 2.4.2 beta 1
snip
There are also a few new things
including a new regex library
/snip
Now as this would have been my number 1 request - I can't complain - *but* I
had just finished 2 days coding to get around this!!!
No - you can get MC to do this by using ssh on Linux (and prob/soon Mac
OSX), and there are ddl's on Windows I believe.
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Can MetaCard use SSL to communicate with a server?
Thanks
Eldon at DxR
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I think it's a number - you should be able to get it from Apple - but I'll
sell you one if you want :)
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Subject: WDEF
So who here is selling this WDEF? Does it work under OSX? Is
it ULTRA stable? And can I buy it now?
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