Adam,
I grow weary of your diatribes to establish yourself as the last word on any
subject you choose. It's still a pretty grey area. You've made a few reasonable
points but I've yet to see the true decision makers stand up and back you in a
public forum.
Bill
-- Original
Interesting editorial.
What people often forget though is that space exploration is still
primarily about military technology and politics. It's a lot easier to
get funding for 'a science survey mission' than a 'new spy camera
technology mission'...
One wonders how the current ( slightly
Hello Adam and Walter,
Most important meteorite: ALH 84001 or NWA 3133?
I think it is difficult to say and is always biased by the personal preferences
of the collector or scientist,
but there is a fairly objective measure (at least for scientific importance):
the number of publications on a
Jörn kindly wrote:
Most important meteorite: ALH 84001 or NWA 3133?
I think it is difficult to say and is always biased by the personal
preferences of the collector or scientist,
but there is a fairly objective measure (at least for scientific
importance): the number of publications on
Bob Verish's forward does have some good critiques
about NASA. One book of NASA critique is Lost in
Space: The Fall of NASA and the Dream of a New Space
Age by Greg Klerkx (Pantheon Press), now available for
$6.95 from Edward Hamilton, bookseller, Falls Village
CT 06031. (+ $3.50 SH of course!)
Hello Dr. Svend Buhl and list,
I would like to challenge people on the list to a sort of contest. Lets see who
can get the most Meteorite Magazine subscriptions from now until the end of the
year! Winner gets a paid subscription for a full year (and yes it counts as one
of my totals :-) and
Hi Martin,
Yes. That is why I think ALH84001 is the most important meteorite to date.
Not because of the tangibles (the jury is still out) but because of the
intangibles. ALH84001 made us all (meteorite enthusiasts or not) think of
the origins of life and the definition of life, focused
This is out of control.
I got an email from a very nice guy and well known dealer today. He was
selling meteorites for someone else (meaning he is not pulling the scam, but
someone is), and included are two meteorites (actually 3) that are MY
METEORITES.
90% of each of them are sitting here in
Dear Martin,
No one can argue against personal views.
ALH 84001 is a very interesting meteorite for sure. But it remains highly
subjective and is biased by temporary fashion or even hype. I think, ALH 84001
is a good example for such a hype. A group reports evidence for
extraterrestrial life
Hi All
Blaine wanted me to let everyone know that he will be making a sale post to
his list within a day or two. He will not be using this list to place ads. So
if you want a chance to see what he has for sale please sign up for his list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brmeteorites_list/
If you
Jörn kindly wrote:
About 40 years ago, another group around Bartholomew Nagy announced
the recovery of extraterrestrial lifeforms in carbonaceous
chondrites...
Hello again,
And if one continues further back in time to 1879, Otto Hann though he
found plant fossils in thin sections of Knyahinya
Hello Al, Mike, list,
Nothing to add to the below statement as Al perfectly summarized who is
Blaine.
Although I like to diversify my purchase sources, many of my own meteorites
came from David and Blaine as well. These 2 guys were (David) and are
(Blaine) among the most reputable and reliable
Al and list,
no question, lets go for it. We should add that the task is not too difficult.
Last time I mentioned Meteorite Magazine to a friend he subscribed right away.
He just recieved his first issue today and is full of praise. (first score!;)
Svend Buhl
www.niger-meteorite-recon.de
Hi Zelmir and List,
Unfortunattely I never met David New but Blaine Reed is as honest and fair a
meteorite dealer as you will meet. He doesn't go for a lot of hype either.
I don't think I have ever had a bad deal with Blaine and for the newcomers,
if you don't sign up for Blain's list you will
Dear Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts,
A few facts that you ought to know. Color pictures in Meteorite
magazine cost the publisher a great deal. Hence their cost limits the use in
each edition. Each time I renew I put in $50.00 extra to help support the
continued quality of this highly
These NWA869 auctions have all been listed by my new
wife who has inherited my AZTECFEAST ebay user id.
Click here or do an ebay search on AZTECFEAST if this
link dont work.
Anyone out there got any opinions on this?
Here is another example of false name given to unclassified meteorite.
http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa1906.htm
This is POLANDMET, who has a page selling NWA 1906, a Rumuruti.
Now, here is my page, of NWA 1906, the only stone classified and given this
Dear List Members,
Auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending tonight. Many are
still just 99 cents representing some true bargains.
This week's rare material special is NWA3139, a rare CK4 with a TKW of only
130 grams. This is a very nice looking CK with black chondrules. To
Mike (Farmer) wrote:
This has the potential to collapse the entire meteorite market. We
are only as good as our name, and I have worked very hard to do
things right. I would NEVER sell someone a meteorite that is not
what it is claimed to be.
I would like to publicly thank Mike for
stan . wrote:
I belive David Weir published the preliminary reclassification data on the
list not too long ago.
Actually I was only passing along a post from Nelson since he was having
e-mail trouble, and of course he is the owner who had this one
classified. Interestingly, a comparison of
Yes,
I, indeed, do have an opinion:
It is one thing to lamblast Matteo, who has dealt dirty with
numerous members of this list or even to sling mud back forth
between yourself and Adam - it is quite another to go off on
a person of E.T.'s dignity, venerable tenure and hard earned
Michael, you seem to leave out the obvious, he is using numbers for
meteorites sitting in my safe, I paid to have classified and worked.
Michael, can you explain that, or does it not matter since he is your
friend.
This is very simple Michael, no genius needed here.
I will make it simple though
Michael, I am incensed by your email.
Edwin is publicly using numbers that pertain to my stones, so why not
publicly call him out? A real gentleman would not steal other people's
numbers or try to pawn off stones with numbers which do not pertain to them.
Endwin NEVER once contacted me
Hi Mike,
The issue I made is NOT who is right or wrong.
If you were to post a very similar announcement,
saying you had addressed this issue with ET and was told to take a
long walk off a short pier and he didn't care what you thought
about what he was doing and you think
Again Michael, first off he is selling publicly, so why should it not be
discussed publicly? The damage has been done to me in public, so I see no
need to try and hush this up.
I know that Edwin and you are good friends, and that you depend on his stuff
for sale and for your auctions, so I
Hello list.
I will try to answer to every questions that Mike is asking here.
Anyone out there got any opinions on this?
Here is another example of false name given to unclassified meteorite.
http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa1906.htm
This is POLANDMET, who has a page selling NWA 1906, a
I'm with Mike Farmer on this.
First, to lay out the issues without any name calling is NOT
mudslinging.
Second, think of the following analogy. I rob a bank and get caught
red handed. Someone contacts me privately and offers me a chance to
return the money and my identity will never be
on 11/16/04 4:44 PM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that Edwin and you are good friends, and that you depend on his stuff
for sale and for your auctions,
-
Actually, Mike,
I don't think ET has EVER sold a single specimen in
any of my auctions. Not one.
In all fairness, this scam and mooching has been the way of things for a
couple hundred years now. Just because the Nom Com has imposed different
naming rules on NWA meteorites does not mean that every Gao, every
Murchison, every L'Aigle hasn't been sold by this mooching scam. It is not
called
Hi List,
I agree, this mooching, unauthorized number piggybacking and taking a free
ride has got to stop. It takes a lot of work to catalog, prepare type
specimens, manage names and promote official meteorites. The dealer who
does the right thing might have to wait years for a classification
Marcin, you don't seem to understand much about what I am trying to show.
You see, for the last months, I have been to about 9 different countries, so
very little time to cruise the internet.
I didn't know you were selling that meteorite until someone told me today.
Now, you didn't know that was
I want to comment to on the following statements made by Farmer;
How do you collectors feel? You are being had, being sold rocks with
cards and the expectation that it is what they say it is, and now we see
that isn't the case! Your stones may be worth far less than you realize
if pairings are
on 11/16/04 5:06 PM, Michael Fowler at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From what I've heard so far, I'm not likely to ever take my chances on
a dealer who does not adhere to nomcom rules.
And equally unlikely to purchase from persons who ridicule attempts to
keep the selling of meteorites from
Yes, I am very pleased with Marcin and Edwin and their responses.
And yes, his piece is MUCH nicer looking than my NWA 1906, and it is
different and it deserves to be classified and given a proper number.
We all need to respect each-others work and time and money and not abuse
this system.
I don't think so Rob, falls and named meteorites are a different creature
totally from the NWA flood.
That amount of material, all being divided up in Morocco and sold to various
people has caused this problem. The numbering system, while not perfect, is
all we have. There is alot of paired
Basically, I would LOVE to get several stones I have classified...
But in all the months on the list - no one ever answered the question
WHERE.
Those who have labs working on their pieces don't tell for good reason.
:-)
Bernhard
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Michael (Blood),
I don't think that I compared your plea to keep the dispute off list
with ridiculing those who oppose unverified pairings and unauthorized
number piggybacking. You didn't mean to do that did you?
As far as cutting any ones hands off without a trial, this is a public
Mark, man that is the best written post I have seen in a while.
My composition skills are more along the lines of President Bush, below par.
Anyway, we all face a serious danger here, you look at eBay now and there
are thousands of meteorite auctions on. Know you seller, and know your
material,
I have another meteorite sale ending tomorrow, ALL items started at one
cent!
Some items of special note:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2285814583
Another heat-shield oriented Sikhote-alin.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2285823484
Gorgeous complete
Excellent Point Walter,
Jerry
- Original Message -
From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Most important meteorite?
Hi Martin,
Yes. That is why I think ALH84001 is the most important
Hi Mike and List
This brings very good questions of authenticity.
As a minor collector (meaning I only have a small collection and I'm new to
this having been doing so a couple of years now), I do have to wonder about
many of the stones I've aquired over the last 2-3 yrs. I've never doubted
Well, as far as the Sikhote goes, it doesnt etch because SA is a coarsest
octahedrite, and the crystals can be inches across. so if you are trying to
etch a small piece, forget it.
You need a 3 or 4 inch slice to see any pattern at all.
Michael Farmer
- Original Message -
From: MarkF
Michael,
Your responses have been reactionary and as crude as any I've seen. You can't
polish a terd as in disguising your vested interests in a silver lining. You
seem to think you can spout crap in an erudite way and it's ok. Save it for
your students.
Bill
-- Original
Meantime I think this is a very serious business. I've invested many
thousands of dollars in my meteorite collection. How am I to know if
what I paid for is what I'm told it is? It is based on trust. If
various dealers are claiming to be selling material that they don't
have and maybe
Hello Mike, very sorry for the confusion. Apparently Rob Wesel showed you the large collection of specimens that I am selling and in the group there were these two specimens with your numbers on them. I bought the impact melt from Ali Hmani in Ste Marie Aux Mines, France this last June and he
Hello Mike, very sorry for the confusion. Apparently Rob Wesel showed you the large collection of specimens that I am selling and in the group there were these two specimens with your numbers on them. I bought the impact melt from Ali Hmani in Ste Marie Aux Mines, France this last June and he
Dear List,
Here is an interesting article:
MY WIFE AND I RECENTLY FOUND A STRANGE LOOKING ROCK. HOW CAN WE TELL IF IT'S
A METEORITE?
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?SID=mailarticleID=000C478F-7A76-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7
© 1996-2004 Scientific American, Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in
on 11/16/04 10:58 PM, minador at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Mike and Adam on this one.
Hi Mark all,
SO DO I. I don't think ANYONE disagrees!
I agree there must be consistent and absolutely clear identification
of all material sold. I agree with all the issues
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