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quoted from Sterling's article:
I did not think that a planet
piece has fallen down, or anything like that, but at that
moment, I thought that we have been attacked by an
enemy, from the air. Then, I thought that there was one
[plane] alone. I have looked at the air, to see where is
the plane
Hello Doug,
Thanks for the thoughtful reply to my skepticism represented in my post
to the list. I am now integrating this new picture of a Pisco alcohol
war mentality to those looking skyward in Desaguadero believing in
bombers out to get them.
Still, I have managed to narrow down my
If Art removes me I'll be happy to leave. It's people like you who make
me vomit all over this LIST. And don't ever visit my website which
contains a quarter of a million words bringing the most current
meteorite research to those interested, including total morons like you.
You are hereby
Jason,
I stand by my post to the list. Thanks for your opinion.
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Martin Altmann wrote:
Nice:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/ufos/index.html
Martin
If a child had dug it, we'd know it by now, Jackson said. There would
have been knee marks around the crater.
That's a lame conclusion if you ask me. It was a 2-ft crater before
the
Hello Mike,
I have not yet read an official publication on the IIG proposal for the
five members you mentioned, but perhaps I just missed it. I presume it
will be accepted when published by the present-day dean of irons.
Here is a synopsis of the classification parameters for the various
And another pairing group from the lunar farside (Dhofar
303/305/306/307/309/310/311/489/730/731/908/909/911/950/1085):
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2007/pdf/5167.pdf
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2007/pdf/5109.pdf
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1607.pdf
Hello Mal,
Aziz Habibi is Aziz Habibi, first and last name in that order. Any other
name is a different person. Aziz Habibi lives in Erfoud, Morocco.
David
Mal Bishop wrote:
Dear List,
I have an admittedly ignorant and potentially embarrassing question: is
the person calling himself,
Hello Mark,
I saw that TV show twice, and I found their hypotheses completely
credible. It was based on a large volcanic eruption on the Greek island
of Santorini, which happened at about the same time as the exodus. Each
plague was shown to be the result of a natural occurrence as reflected
You just have to know how to follow the threads. After discussing global
warming for a week or so, someone brought up human hammers, and then
Mr. Blood brought up the biblical plague of burning ice, to which one of
our resident scientists jokingly suggested it could have been a methane
Norbert Classen wrote:
If the formation of life is THAT improbable, how does it come that WE are here?
I agree with your point of view. We shouldn't be surprised that we find
ourselves in a universe which satisfies the conditions necessary for our
existence. (quoting a version of the
Hello Peter,
To be clear, I added that paragraph yesterday, paraphrased from what
Norbert told all of us in his post yesterday, so it contains nothing
special or different than what he said. I considered quoting him but
decided to use some of my own words in a reworked sentence instead.
Hello All,
This List is amazing at times. I asked if there was a photo from the
Rosetta Stone of Dhofar 908 showing the 3 lithologies, and Stephan
Kambach very kindly sent me one. It's a beauty too! I have it displayed
on my webpage at the bottom along with his explanation of the various
Peter,
Here is a link to Norbert's specimen of Dho 908. It does have two
obviously distinct lithologies, but I would also like to know the
details of the Rosetta Stone name.
David
http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho908-2.54g.JPG
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Hello all
I am in the market for a large piece of Murchison in the $40-50 per
gram range. May be dreaming but figured I'd throw one out there.
Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
According to Kevin Kichinka's Pricing Guide, as of July 2005 the average
asking price of Murchison by 13
Hello Martin and Stefan,
In the 2005 Treatise on Geochemistry Vol 1, Meteorites, Comets, and
Planets, in the chapter on Classification of Meteorites written by
Krot, Keil, Goodrich, Scott, and Weisberg, they provide an argument why
Lea County 002 is no longer thought to belong to the
Since Stevie never reviews his posts for spelling, grammar, etc., he
wouldn't even know he was writing in caps. I wouldn't know either except
for the fact that his posts, which go directly to my trash folder, are
duplicated on the list by so many people who quote his in their answers
to him.
Hello Michael,
The Meteorite Collectors Price Guide, by David Weir, to which you refer
in your recent Meteorite Times article (just after Kevin's
contribution), was compiled by me for about 5 years, up until January
2001, the beginning of the new millennium, when I quit revising
Orders please unless I know you; no
Paypal ability, sorry. The specimen comes with a membrane box, and the
shipping costs will be added commensurate with the price of a USPS
Priority package with insurance to your location ($7.40 in the US).
Thanks for looking.
Regards,
David Weir
Hello Rob and List,
I'd like to chime in on this angrite subject, one I find very exciting
as attested to by my continued purchases of different angrite specimens.
I have been following the ongoing reasoned discussions by some very
smart investigators about a possible angrite-Mercury
Hello Sterling and hopeful Hermean collectors,
The angrites have FeO contents in the general range of ~25 wt%, so if
they are from Mercury this does not conform to your inverse iron core
ordering, unless the core of Mercury was not fully differentiated before
the impact-related dissemination
There is an interesting abstract about these reduced metal-rich and
metal-poor chondrites in the latest LPSC abstracts, this one by D.
Rumble, III, A. Irving, M. Kuehner, and T. Bunch. Also, I have been
compiling related information on these anomalous chondrites on my
Moorabie webpage at
Dean,
When I get that random buch of posts every few days I believe they are
all repeats of posts I've already received days earlier and already
deleted.
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Wow Dave, I hadn't thought of that possibility. They had a celebratory
barbeque (or maybe sacrifice to the God of thunderstones), and the dog
was the munchies of honor. I can see that.
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And shipping costs around $30 for delivery taking about a month for a
single bottle. Better to find it here.
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Thanks again Geoff for satisfying my curiosity about the cause of the
errors. Allan has called me already and offered me another piece of the
meteorite that I should have won by my absentee bid of $375 which he
sold to another live bidder for $325. I doubt he was trying to lose
money, and can
Finally, a sensible voice amid the tantrum:
Dear Listees:
I thought it might be helpful to mention that Allan and Iris Lang are
on their way home from the 2007 Tucson show, and probably cannot to
reply to posts regarding the auction at this time.
Since Allan has been a respected buyer
Michael Farmer wrote:
I have some old WARDS catalogs from the 1920s and
1930s, if you think those prices are low, you should
see these!
During the depression wasn't a loaf of bread like a penny? If you could
find a job to earn one! Who was buying space rocks I can't imagine.
David
Hello Adam,
I wholly concur with your feelings about the Tucson rip-off hotels. I
also find that the costs of flying and car rental, or possibly driving
from Orlando, added to the ridiculous hotel prices make me opt out of
attending, and I just yesterday cancelled my Motel 6 reservations.
Please Elton, don't make me laugh. This is no debate, nor is the use of
this term weakly founded in the literature. It is as established and
pervasive throughout the meteoritical literature as any term. The
decades of use of the term fusion crust to describe the results of
ablation on iron
Tom wrote:
Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market?
Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by
the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there
are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not
Greg Hupe wrote:
Hi Mark, Dean and List,
Boy, I should have started from scratch when I re-loaded my previously
unsold eBay auctions of NWA 2828 Fossil EL3 meteorite. I've already
corrected the TKW of 2828 and referenced pairings. Now I notice I
overlooked changing Paleo to Fossil.
Hello,
Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition between the brown and
blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my webpage. He sent me the
following excellent picture some time ago, I believe from NAU
originally, that best illustrates this transition:
Hello List,
This short autobio was submitted by Bernd to the List during our What I
Do thread in 2000.
David
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Greg,
Your math seems a little convoluted to me. You said
There can be 600 nominations and if
one person has two votes and the rest only one, simple math, the majority of
the People think so-and-so should get it.
I think the majority of the people thought so-and-so should NOT get it.
Must
Hello,
Bernd already has earned the respect, admiration, and appreciation for
his selfless educational contributions which he continues to provide to
this list. The Harvey Award would only be a small affirmation of our
gratitude.
David
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Hey Jeff,
I have a little info compiled that compliments what has been said so far
(re: Allende):
In contrast to the generally held belief that the formation of
dark inclusions involved aqueous alteration/dehydration processes, it
has been demonstrated through a study based on the preferential
Hello,
According to Buchwald, the production of fusion crust does occur in
irons, while heat-affected rim zones are present below this fusion
crust. Partially quoting from his first volume, in the chapter Shapes
and Surface Characteristics, he writes that these fusion crusts differ
from those
Hello List,
After reading the AGU abstract posted by Greg, I certainly think the
investigators have made huge progress in arriving at a consensus on the
correct classification of this 1+ ton mass, previously described as an
igneous aubrite, a highly equilibrated EL6/7, and an En-metachondrite,
Hello Christian,
Your photos came to me a little on the dark side. I took the dark
inclusion photo through my Photostyler and the results are better:
http://meteoritestudies.com/CHRISDI.JPG
My opinion is that the DIs, as in Allende, accreted together with the
other OC components before
Dear List,
I remember when dealers used to give ID cards that were actually made
from card stock, or at least thick paper. Perhaps those who sell
thousands of specimens a year figure their businesses can save a few
dollars by going to flimsy paper for their ID cards, that's their
business
Adam Hupe wrote:
Thanks Ed,
Stonehenge was selected as an icon because it is a well-known ancient
observatory where both the Lunar and Maritain cycles were witnessed
among other celestial bodies. As a matter of fact, the table stone in
the center of Stonehenge is used to track the Moon.
I
Matt Morgan wrote:
Contrary...he cut it into thirds already. So it will be for sale,
eventually.
So would that be ukulele-sized pieces?
*ukulele: a small, four-stringed guitar
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Nice Adam! I'd love to start a new collection, but I have to use my
savings for more manure for my tropical plant collection. Oh well, best
of luck with sales.
*manure: cow crap
David
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I think the rule should be amended to one ad per week per family.
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Greg,
I sold the world's ugliest meteorite early in my collecting career soon
after I bought it from Haag... Mills. So please don't send me another
contestant, I felt guilty enough selling that one to a friend for the
$1/g I paid for it.
As for the gentleman's agreement to keep ads to once
Hello list
Im surprized that Im first who announce that next meteorite coin is ready.
Nevest coin comes from Republic of Palau and contain fragment of well known
iron meteorite NANTAN.
All details available on my page.
http://www.polandmet.com/
Curent price only 60$, but who know how much
Michael,
This was the subject on the list just a year ago. I had expressed my
favor of the journal article by A. Ruzicka et al. (2005), which referred
to PV by a new term -- H-chondrite, metallic-melt breccia. Jeff Grossman
posted the following in reply, which actually does seem like a
Adam Hupe wrote:
Stan,
Let it go, you are absolutely wrong, again. Like I told David Weir,
contact Dr. Bunch yourself about NWA 3133 and report back to the List
your findings. Read the archives, it is all in there.
Hello Adam,
Thanks for inviting me into your debate. All I have to say
Adam Hupe wrote:
My last post on the subject,
I just had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Bunch just as few minutes ago
about the non-paired stones NWA 1839/3133.
Some statements made by Dr. Bunch:
He absolutely and unequivocally disagrees with David Weir's last post
the List.
He has
Michael L Blood wrote:
Hi all,
I am interested in knowing if anyone has ever seen
Kobe available {(CK4) Sept 26,1999, struck a house in
Honshu Japan - TKW 136g}
After the fall I asked Dirk Ross about acquiring a specimen, and he said
it would cost me $10,000/g... or was it $100,000/g.
List,
I was reminded by Dirk that the selling price for Kobe was ten million
dollars per gram (sold in mg sizes). I think that's like me saying I'll
sell my right arm for a billion dollars; I know I won't get any offers
but if I did I wouldn't have any regrets over the loss :)
David
Don,
Perhaps some people remember that Murchison typically sold for $30-40/g
a dozen years ago and refuse to see the justification for such high
pricing today, while others newer to the scene are content to buy high.
David
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. If you feel you don't want to deal with this program then
feel free to get your meteorite information from the primary journals
and abstracts as I do -- I actually have always recommended this.
Regards,
David Weir
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Here's a photo to go with the story:
http://meteoritestudies.com/KTFOSSIL.JPG
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sky Telescope, March 1999, p. 22: Piece of a Killer Asteroid ?
Like finding a stray bullet at a crime scene, a researcher believes he has
uncovered
a long-sought chunk of the
Jeff Grossman wrote:
1) NWA 2918. An abstract is not peer reviewed, however I'll stand by my
classification of NWA 2918. It's a very nice meteorite, but more
metamorphosed than 3.0. There are actually three CO3.0 chondrites. In
addition to ALHA77307, Y-81020 and Colony are both 3.0, but
Hello List,
I'd like to say how nice it was to hear from those interested in a small
micro of NWA 011. I have decided who among the ten of you I'll send each
of the three crusted fragments. The remaining seven of you have not
lost, because now I have a list of those who I can send similar
Hello Adam,
I guess Jeff Grossman changed his mind and accepted NWA 2918 as a
legitimate 3.0 or 3.05 using his stricter techniques. Congratulations.
I'll still sit on the sideline and watch for awhile before changing the
classification back to 3.0 on my website. Thanks for supplying the
Those were all my words Adam, yours are not my style.
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Hello Buckleboo,
I think I know how you feel to acquire something you thought would be
highly improbable. It's a great feeling for sure, and now you can sign
off as Buckleboo with the bona fide credentials. I'm now thinking of
signing off as Kaidun.
Kaidun!
David
representative pieces. I will accept e-mails for consideration
until this Tuesday, September 5, at noon Eastern Daylight Time. I look
forward to hearing from some of you.
David Weir
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Hello Greg,
Thanks for the clarification, and if you really mean much, much...much
lower than $1,000.00 per gram, then perhaps my initial estimate of its
value of $300/g is right on the money. I was laughed out of Terry
Boswell's Tucson room when I told him that $300/g was a fair price after
Hello Bernd,
I have read different stats for the kakangariites than you have stated.
My sources are Classification of Meteorites, Krot, Keil, Goodrich,
Scott, and Weisberg (from Treatise on Geochemistry 1, 2005); The K
chondrite grouplet, Weisberg, Prinz, Clayton, Mayeda, Grady Franchi,
Sterling,
In what order would you place the 12 planets? Would the order for Pluto
and Charon be based on which is usually closest to the Sun? If so, which
would be most often closest to the Sun? I'm having trouble picturing
this orbital dance in my head.
David
Sterling,
I have another scenario that will need an official decision someday if
discovered to occur. What if two spherical bodies rotate around a common
barycenter, but this barycenter is located outside of the more massive
orbital partner during half its revolution and inside during the
Hello Anne,
How would you handle multiple dealers with the same initials? Some examples:
Aziz Habibi
Adam Hupe
Mike Fowler
Mike Farmer
Michael Casper
Matteo Chinellato
Michael Cottingham
Ron Hartman
Robert Haag
Steve Arnold
Steve Arnold
Serge Afanasiev
David
List,
Well, the results are in - in the MetSoc 69th Annual Meeting abstract
#5235 that is... and just as I had suspected, NWA 773 has many brothers
and sisters: NWA 2700 (previously with Boswell), 2727 (Oakes et al.),
2977 (Farmer), 3160 (Hupe), and (Kuntz) are all considered to be
that the classifications of the above
Lunars are divergent enough to wonder how they could be paired. If they are
truely paired, shouldn't the original classifications been the same or
closer?
Thanks,
Dave
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Hello Adam,
I just wanted to bring to your attention the new MetSoc abstract written
by Jeff Grossman et al. which disputes the initial classification of
your CO3.0 NWA 2918, and argues that it's actually a CO3.1. I see that
you still have this meteorite for sale on ebay as a CO3.0 and I'm
I guess that it receives 3 different classifications by three different
labs submitted by three different finders.
David
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it in its entirety for a small
portion of that $10 Million.
And since I've been writing this, Stan has written back again, so off
to that one...
Regards, Jason
On 7/14/06, David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Stan and Jason,
Jason has eloquently convinced me that my virtually complete
Hello,
I read that Old Homestead may be paired with Mundrabilla 020. I don't
know if these two have been studied side by side to reach a definitive
conclusion.
David
Dave Carothers wrote:
Steve,
You need to sharpen your search skills or something... A single Google
search revealed that
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Hello,
I read that Old
Hello Jason,
Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I don't have nearly the worries that
some may have over this new planned U of A repository, but I am
concerned about the temptation by owners of rare meteorites to sell to a
highly motivated and well-financed entity at prices that they couldn't
Hello Stan and Jason,
Jason has eloquently convinced me that my virtually complete systematic
collection, which I have put together over the past 23 years, would be
better utilized for science by my selling it to SWMC. I presume that my
collection will be better accessible to scientific as
Adam wrote:
Don't forget that NWA 3151 is definitely a Brachinite. All data was
submitted including the O-isotope results to the Meteoritical Society,
peer reviewed and then voted on making it official. I checked with Dr.
Irving again and he said that nowhere did he state that the NWA 3151
Hello Adam,
I would like to thank you and your brother for your generous
contribution to my website/collection of your first true brachinite
from the Sahara, NWA 3151. You have implied that the previously
considered first Saharan brachinite, NWA 595, was now determined not to
be a member of
Michael,
It is also easy for me to automatically relegate those specific List
members' posts to my trash file once I understand that their purpose
for being on this List does not fit into that realm of desirable
purposes which I find to be worth my time to read. Personally, this
action is
Hello Martin,
Here is some discussion of your post from me. Do not feel discouraged
that the response to your posts is not deafening, many probably do read
them and learn from them; I received no list discussion of my Dhofar 007
post from yesterday, and yet still feel that it does find an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A heads-up to those interested in eucrites, and in particular,
to those who own a piece (or more) of this fantastic eucrite.
I own a small, 0.94-gram piece that I got from Christian Anger
and one of those gorgeous slices (16 grams) I. Koutyrev offered
on EBay a while
Hello Doug,
Thanks for the complimentary words and for the heads up on the new
(3-15-06) NAU classification policy. I have removed the NAU info from my
FOUND page. What a shame though.
Regards,
David
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Adam Hupe wrote:
By the way, It has been cleared with both Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch for you
to contact them in regards to previous statements you made that are in
error.
Yesterday I had a conversation with Ted Bunch as you suggested, and he
will inform webmaster Wittke of the incorrect
Adam Hupe wrote:
First of all, thank you for finally contacting the scientists and reporting
your findings.
Wrong, Ted called me. The issue of 3133 and 1839 being paired or not
actually didn't even come up in our conversation since there was so much
else of interest to discuss. I didn't
Adam Hupe wrote:
They have been asking outrageous
prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA
011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock.
Dear Adam,
You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything
to do with you, do you? After
them in regards to previous statements you made that are in
error.
Kind Regards,
Adam
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Adam Hupe wrote:
They have been asking outrageous
prices for everything
respect for what you have done with your web-site. Speaking of your
web-site, I feel it is very good and we have donated several things to you
for free of charge in support of a this good cause and this is how we are
repaid?
Thank You,
Adam
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Adam,
I'm glad to see this finally settled.
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Rob Wesel wrote:
Just to briefly elaborate Frederick
A new number with NomCom is considered paired not likely paired.
Paired is a scientific fact, likely paired is an opinion.
This applies to Morocco and adjacent countries alone, other hot zones
like Burkina Faso, Gold Basin, Dhofar and
Hello Adam and Stan,
I would think it would be an extremely low probability (although not
zero) that a never-before-known, one-of-kind, CV-affinity metachondrite
would travel through billions of years and kilometers to find itself
occupying the same space within a box next to its exact twin
Hello Adam,
I am not relying on any statements by my friends Aziz or Nelson to gauge
whether or not NWA 3133 and 1839 are paired or not paired. I also have
no bias for whichever scenario is correct, I just want to know. The
following information is all that I have to go on, and it all
.
Regards,
David
David Weir wrote:
Hello Adam,
I am not relying on any statements by my friends Aziz or Nelson to gauge
whether or not NWA 3133 and 1839 are paired or not paired. I also have
no bias for whichever scenario is correct, I just want to know. The
following information is all
yea but...
Stan wrote:
there are no 'rules' when it comes to offering material for sale
(other than not violating copyrights). The NomCom, the IMCA and Adam
Hupe are NOT regulatory bodies who have the authority to police the
hobby/industry nor make binding resolutions that must be followed.
Hello Rob,
I don't believe that a new find can ever be considered absolutely and
without a doubt to be paired with another meteorite or group of
meteorites that have already been analyzed and classified under a
specific name. The best that can be said is that it is likely paired.
You would
Sterling K. Webb wrote:
Maybe it hit Planet V-for-Five. Maybe it WAS
Planet V-for-Five or a good chunk of it. Or a satellite of Planet
V-for-Five dragged along for the ride when its
orbit became unstable. Or... I look at my little chunks of mesosiderite
with new respect. I sidle up to
Marcin Cimala - PolandMET wrote:
Hi
What happend to Cometshop of Sergey Afanasjev ?
Maybe they're too busy making another new pallasite to sell to their
customers. I know that's a mean thing to say, but I'm still out over
$500 from Serge. I chalk it up to my own stupidity though.
David
Dear List, All of Erfoud is in an uproar!! A very large, slowly moving
meteorite has detonated over the town, witnessed by many hundreds of
tourists in Aziz's hotel as well as many Erfoudians! Aziz actually saw
it first as he was driving from the hotel towards his home in Erfoud!
The object was
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