Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

  
  


  
  
  


Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has 
at least survived:
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3
Cheers,


Jeff KuykenMeteorites Australiawww.meteorites.com.auIMCA 
#3085www.imca.cc

  




On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" 
 wrote:










Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical items. 

Michael Farmer

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list  wrote:
> 
> Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable'
> damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner
> and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html
> 
> Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774
> 
> Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084
> 
> Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus
> skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and
> countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a
> meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite.
> 
> Luzia Woman
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman
> 
> Bendegó Meteorite
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite
> https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Paul H.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

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Haha... an oldie but a goodie! ;)
Cheers,
Jeff









On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:39 AM +1100, "Mattias Bärmann" <majbaerm...@web.de> 
wrote:











  

  
  







Sale of lumps of coal
  suspended pending further notice ; -)




Am 10.01.2018 um 11:10 schrieb Jeff
  Kuyken via Meteorite-list:



 

  Hmmm... diamonds formed from
shock with the Earth's atmosphere or ground? Really? Can't
say I'm convinced but happy to be proven wrong. Although if
I'm wrong I'm climbing up a tree and going to start dropping
lumps of coal... ;)
  

  
  Cheers,
  

  
      
    Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
IMCA #3085
www.imca.cc
  
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia
stone rattles solar system status quo

To: Tommy <tomm...@hvc.rr.com>, Met-List
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Seems strange that it has not been classified or published
in the MetBull which makes me question any of the findings.
If I understand correctly, meteoriticists/researchers cannot
publish papers until the meteorite has been published in the
MetBull.



Mendy Ouzillou



On Jan 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list
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Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are
your thoughts?



Regards!



Tom





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Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

Hmmm... diamonds formed from shock with the Earth's atmosphere 
or ground? Really? Can't say I'm convinced but happy to be proven wrong. 
Although if I'm wrong I'm climbing up a tree and going to start dropping lumps 
of coal... ;)
Cheers,


Jeff KuykenMeteorites Australiawww.meteorites.com.auIMCA 
#3085www.imca.cc
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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar 
system status quo
To: Tommy , Met-List 


Seems strange that it has not been classified or published in the MetBull which 
makes me question any of the findings. If I understand correctly, 
meteoriticists/researchers cannot publish papers until the meteorite has been 
published in the MetBull.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Jan 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

  Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your thoughts?

Regards!

Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] The Day The Internet Stood Still

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Nice to see your contribution called out in this one Ron. 
Thanks for all the posts your share! 
Cheers,


Jeff Kuyken
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Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:36 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Day The Internet Stood Still
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https://www.nasa.gov/specials/pathfinder20/

The Day The Internet Stood Still
By Brian Dunbar
July 2017

Twenty years ago, NASA landed a little rover on Mars . . . and blew up 
the Internet. As people clamored for pictures - overwhelming servers 
and bringing network traffic to a standstill - it became obvious 
that something fundamental had changed on how people expected to get 
information 
about NASA missions.

NASA, through its Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, had begun to 
release information online following Voyager's encounters with Uranus 
and Neptune in the 1980s.

"When I arrived at JPL in 1985, I was already active in some of the 
online networks of the day such as CompuServe, so distributing pictures 
and information about NASA missions that way seemed natural," said 
former JPL public information manager Frank O'Donnell. "Also, 
Ron Baalke at JPL was very active posting information to Usenet, the 
Internet-based 
system of newsgroups. At the end of the '80s, I established a dialup bulletin 
board system at JPL, which members of the public could dial into directly 
to download pictures and text files."

Then, in 1993, came the discovery of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, and astronomers' 
realization that it would hit Jupiter in July 1994. By then scientists 
were communicating by e-mail, transferring large files around the world 
and posting their work for discussion on the nascent World Wide Web. Now 
they were using those tools to plan worldwide campaign to observe the 
collision

NASA's public affairs office followed suit, scheduling briefings 
throughout the encounter. (The comet had fragmented into numerous pieces 
that would arrive at Jupiter over several days.) The schedule published 
the time images were expected to be received and when they would be discussed 
on NASA TV.

Naturally, Internet users started banging on NASA websites a few minutes 
before the pictures were scheduled to be downlinked, unable to wait until 
the scheduled release time. As Philip C. Plait wrote in "Bad Astronomy", 
". . . the web nearly screeched to a halt due to the overwhelming 
amount of traffic as people tried to find pictures of the event from different 
observatories."

The excitement wasn't limited to the public. Scientists found themselves 
doing their work live on NASA TV, as this clip from a National Geographic 
special shows. By coincidence it was also around this time that NASA's 
Office of Public Affairs announced that it would no longer mail news releases 
to reporters, but would instead distribute them online.

Crowd-sourced

Shoemaker-Levy made it clear to JPL they would have to prepare for something 
even bigger with Mars Pathfinder. Webmaster David Dubov told the New York 
Times shortly after the landing that he estimated the site would be receiving 
25 million hits a day. (A "hit" is a request for information 
from one computer to another. On the web, a hit can represent the transfer 
of a picture, text or other page element. In the case of Pathfinder's 
deliberately stripped-down site, each web page comprised a few hits.)

Dubov and JPL engineer Kirk Goodall would later revise that estimate to 
60-80 million hits a day, traffic that would crash JPL's networks 
if the servers were hosted there. Goodall set out to build a network of 
mirror sites that could take the traffic off JPL's networks. Working 
with other U.S. science agencies, and ultimately corporations and Internet 
"backbone" providers, he did just that. (In other words, JPL 
crowd-sourced their solution a couple of decades before anyone knew 
crowdsourcing 
was a thing.)

And the solution worked. The site took 30 million hits on landing day, 
July 4. On July 7, the first weekday after the landing, the site got 80 
million hits. In comparison, the year before, the chess match between 
Gary Kasparov and IBM's Deep Blue computer peaked at 21 million hits, 
and the Atlanta Olympics website had topped out at 18 million hits on 
one day.

Direct-to-Digital

"One of the biggest changes with Mars Pathfinder was that it was 
the first mission that fully embraced the Internet as a primary way of 
getting out information to the public," said O'Donnell. "Before 
Pathfinder, the prevailing thinking was that eight-by-ten photo prints 
were the product needed for the public at large.&

[meteorite-list] The Chondrule Conglomerate Endcut For Sale - RARE

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

It's been a long time since I've posted or even actively traded but I have
something special available. Some of you may have already seen it on
Facebook but here is the offer for those of you who haven't:


ONCE IN A DECADE HISTORIC OFFER!
The Chondrule Conglomerate! 
NWA 2892 (H/L3) - 8.8g Endcut

This is a story that starts way back 13 years ago towards the beginning of
the NWA rush in 2002. Rob Elliot ended up with a tiny ~50g stone he dubbed
the Chondrule Conglomerate. It was like nothing anyone had seen previously
with its multi-coloured 'molten chondrules' and no visible matrix! The few
slices from that stone sold out in hours at $250/g. Fast forward a year or
two and a second 104g stone showed up and a year later the final 75g stone.
No further stones have ever been found in the last decade since then. I
ended up with most of that final stone and all my other slices sold out
within hours to my private mailing list when being offered at $225/g. This
is the last available specimen!

This low-TKW meteorite started conversations and debate among scientific
circles as it contradicted the commonly held belief that chondrules were
formed before accretion. This meteorite proved that it actually happened
much faster than previously thought and that accretion actually started
DURING the chondrule-forming event. It helped change our understanding of
the solar system's early formation.

I don't want to sell this piece but I have another opportunity I'd like to
invest in so I am making this available. it's not cheap but the best never
is. If this piece does not sell in the next week or so, then it may not be
offered again. I have not seen this meteorite available again since the
original offerings around 10 years or so ago. 

For more info on the meteorite, please take a look at this page:
http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/august2005.html

Price: $2200 including door-to-door traceable courier delivery anywhere in
the world. 

http://i.imgur.com/P2acYt8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9Z2EBMG.jpg


Please email me directly for any questions or offers.


Regards,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au



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[meteorite-list] Australian Monash University Meteorite Recovery Program is under threat

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

Some of you may have seen me post this on Facebook already but for those of
you who haven't, unfortunately the Australian Monash University Meteorite
Recovery program is under threat of being cancelled this year due to lack of
funding. This is the same one that I assisted with in 2012  2013 so I have
seen firsthand the contributions this team makes and what they are doing to
further Australian meteoritical science. In fact, over the past several
years, this program has been responsible for discovering around 20% of all
of Australia's meteorite finds. 

So this year, with funding having run out, the team is turning to the public
and meteorite community for help. For those of you who would like to
consider helping or would even just like to learn a bit more about the
program, please see the link below. There is plenty of information there
about the program and also how this crowd funding would contribute to
another successful year.

http://www.pozible.com/project/189365

Thanks,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au





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Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite website LittlePlanets

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

That's a great site and the pics are really good! Thanks for sharing!

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Tomasz Jakubowski via Meteorite-list
Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015 12:00 AM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: [meteorite-list] New meteorite website LittlePlanets

Dear collectors
Jarkko Kettunen a meteorite collector form Helsinki asked me to post this
information (he couldn't send this)

Hello Meteorite Lovers,
I have had a long time dream to make a website about meteorites. I wanted to
present some meteorite pieces and things related to meteorites in this site.
Finally I have the website ready. This is a collector´s website and you can
check it here:
http://www.littleplanets.fi/
I would also like to thank the people who have helped me with the website:
Tomasz Jakubowski for the idea of this website, photos and comments Tuomas
Uusheimo for super quality photos Jan Woreczko for great photos from our
trip in Western Sahara Pawel Zareba for design and getting this website
together Aki Salmela for excellent poems Pierre-Marie Pele for comments and
pictures Dave Gheesling for comments and Jarmo Moilanen for comments

Any comments are welcome jarkko.kettu...@ajak.fi 

All the best,
Jarkko Kettunen
IMCA #9258




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[meteorite-list] Massive meteor event over Southeastern Australia

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

There was a huge meteor event over southeastern Australia tonight that was seen 
across both Melbourne and Sydney. Just google news search meteor and there are 
videos piling up online everywhere. Twitter is also alive. 

Just wondering if the gurus on the list are able to check any space junk 
re-entry sources? At first, I thought the first video I was sent was a repost 
of Hayabusa re entry or something similar. Very slow and unusual breakup. Would 
be interested to hear other thoughts. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWNEb5LY348

Cheers,

Jeff 

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[meteorite-list] Display Numbering Options?

[Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

Does anyone know of any options where you can purchase or have museum
numbering blocks made? I'm preferably looking for something made from
frosted acrylic. Something along the lines of these:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/numbers.jpg

Will appreciate any help anyone may be able to provide.

Thanks,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au




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Re: [meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite

[Jeff Kuyken]

Great discussion.

I do know that NWA 2968 is almost pure olivine with 95vol%.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=33418

Cheers,

Jeff


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Twelker
Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2014 5:35 PM
To: Alan Rubin
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jim Wooddell
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite

As I understand this, Alan, you are saying that dunites will succumb to the
weathering processes of space--the effects of radiation over time, in
particular, and they disintegrate before they even make it to the top of the
atmosphere.  Dunites are notoriously unstable on the surface of the Earth.
Perhaps that's their lot in space too.
Eric


On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote:

 Iron meteorites tend to break up in the atmosphere at lower depths than
stony meteorites, so I suppose that pallasites would also be better able to
survive transit through the Earth's atmosphere than dunites.  But I am
guessing that very few dunites ever make it to the top of the Earth's
atmosphere to begin with.
 
 
 Alan Rubin
 Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics
 University of California
 3845 Slichter Hall
 603 Charles Young Dr. E
 Los Angeles, CA  90095-1567
 phone: 310-825-3202
 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu
 website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html
 
 
 - Original Message - From: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 To: Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu; Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:27 PM
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite
 
 
 Would they also melt or more correctly ablate off material faster and
 more completely
 upon entering the earth's atmosphere?
 Pete
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite
 From: Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu
 Date: Tue, January 14, 2014 6:54 pm
 To: Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 
 The question of the dearth of olivine meteorites (asteroidal dunites) has
 been around for a very long time.  Most folks have ascribed this paucity
as
 being due to the brittle nature of olivine meteorites relative to
 pallasites.  Pallasites have relatively long cosmic-ray-exposure ages
 indicating that they can survive the rigors of interplanetary space for a
 rather long while.  Eucrites have much shorter CRE ages on average.  This
 suggests that if asteroidal dunites are from deep in the mantle, they
would
 be in space about as long as the pallasites and not survive because they
are
 no tougher than eucrites.
 Alan
 
 
 Alan Rubin
 Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics
 University of California
 3845 Slichter Hall
 603 Charles Young Dr. E
 Los Angeles, CA  90095-1567
 phone: 310-825-3202
 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu
 website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:05 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite
 
 
  So, we find pallasites, we find irons, we find chondrites.  And, with 
the
  pallasites some are loaded with a lot of olivine.  So anyone have any
  scientific ideas why we don't find near pure olivine meteorites?  Or do
  we??
 
  For the sake of conversation...
 
  Jim
 
  --  Jim Wooddell
  jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net
  http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2013 Meteorite Website Pagerank Report

[Jeff Kuyken]

Paul is absolutely right. 

And one other thing that some may not be aware of is that you will be ranked
differently depending on which country you are searching from and which
Google you are using. I get very different results with different
combinations of these.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Harris
Sent: Monday, 23 December 2013 6:11 PM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2013 Meteorite Website Pagerank Report

I wouldn't be concerned about moving down a point.  PageRank is not 
really a priority anymore and updates only come once or twice a year. 
Matt Cutts of Google said the following on Twitter on the 16th.

it's not unusual to see PR shift up or down slightly, due to 
recalibration + it's possible that sites are right on a borderline.

PageRank is only a small part of what Google uses to determine rankings 
in their search results.  I just did a top 10 report for meteorites for 
sale (the results can be seen in the image link below).  The second 
column from the right shows PageRank and has values from 1 to 5 which do 
NOT correlate with the search rankings.  This is the way PR has been 
behaving for years.

http://www.meteorite.com/images/gpr.jpg

Happy Webmastering!

Paul




On 12/22/2013 6:21 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:
 Greetings Meteorite Dealers,

 Three years ago, I released my first report of Google Pageranks for
 Meteorite Dealer Websites.  If you missed it, I will briefly summarize
 what it was.  I tracked down the URL for every meteorite dealer I
 could find - 89 of them.  I then logged the Google Pagerank for all of
 those websites.  Finally, I gave some details about what Google
 Pagerank (PR) is and why it is important for online sellers.  I also
 gave some advice on how to increase your site's PR.

 In the three years since then, the meteorite world has undergone some
 changes and Google has changed it's PR formula.  Both of these things
 are normal and inevitable.  Google regularly tweaks it's PR formula to
 combat PR-cheating and to optimize the value of their search results.
 In essence, Google is constantly moving the goalposts, so to speak,
 and they are very secretive about how their PR formula works - this
 keeps web developers guessing and cheaters on their toes.

 Well, in the three years since my report, meteorite websites have
 taken a hit from Google.  Apparently, Google does not think much of
 meteorite dealers, because it has punished a good number of us with a
 reduction in PR.  Why?  I have no idea, other than the fact that it
 obviously has something to do with the change in formula.

 I charged money for the last report.  I am not going to charge for
 this one because this is not a full-blown report like the first.
 Also, I do not feel right charging for something that is not going to
 clearly benefit the buyer.  While the advice in my first report was
 valid, Google decided to reduce many sites' PR for no apparent reason,
 so much of my advice was in vain. (Although, much of the advice is
 still good to consider.)

 So, let us cut to the chase.  Listed first is the Google PR for all of
 the websites in the original 2010 report.  Following that is a list of
 the current PR for those same websites as of 2013.  Lastly, I will add
 some comments.

 First, the 2010 list : (sorted by PR and alphabetized)

 meteoritemarket.com - 6
 meteoriticalsociety.org - 6
 meteorcrater.com - 6
 aerolite.org - 5
 meteorites.asu.edu - 5
 meteorite.com - 5
 meteorite-times.com - 5
 meteoritecentral.com - 5
 meteorlab.com - 5
 meteoritemen.com - 5
 nyrockman.com - 5
 imca.cc - 5
 arizonaskiesmeteorites.com - 4
 bimsociety.org - 4
 encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com - 4
 galactic-stone.com - 4
 impactika.com - 4
 kansasmeteorite.com - 4
 meteoritesplus.com - 4
 meteoriteman.com - 4
 meteorites.com.au - 4
 meteorites.com - 4
 meteorites.tv - 4
 meteoritehunter.com - 4
 meteorite.fr - 4
 meteoriteguy.com - 4
 meteoritestudies.com - 4
 meteorman.org - 4
 meteoritelab.com - 4
 meteorites-for-sale.com - 4
 mhmeteorites.com - 4
 michaelbloodmeteorites.com - 4
 minresco.com - 4
 mr-meteorite.net - 4
 planetbrey.com - 4
 spacerocksuk.com - 4
 schoolersinc.com - 4
 sv-meteorites.com - 4
 bigkahuna-meteorites.com - 3
 carionmineraux.com - 3
 catchafallingstar.com - 3
 chladnis-heirs.com - 3
 fallingrocks.com - 3
 fernlea.tripod.com - 3
 haberer-meteorite.de - 3
 illinoismeteorites.com - 3
 jensenmeteorites.com - 3
 lunarrock.com - 3
 macovich.com - 3
 marmet-meteorites.com - 3
 meteoritecollector.org - 3
 meteoris.de - 3
 meteorite-lab.de - 3
 meteorite-shop.com - 3
 meteoritesusa.com - 3
 meteorite-mirko.de - 3
 meteorite-identification.com - 3
 meteoritelabels.com - 3
 meteoritefinder.com - 3
 meteoritica.com - 3
 nakhladogmeteorites.com - 3
 nevadameteorites.com - 3
 niger-meteorite-recon.de - 3

Re: [meteorite-list] First Study of Chelyabinsk Meteorite

[Jeff Kuyken]

Thanks for these interesting posts Ron.

I keep hearing lines like Chelyabinsk was the largest meteoroid strike
since the Tunguska event. What about Sikhote-Alin? Does anyone know if
there are any accurate modellings on that fall in terms of size, weight and
energy? I would be interested to see a comparison.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au



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Subject: [meteorite-list] First Study of Chelyabinsk Meteorite



http://news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=10764

First study of Russian meteorite
UC Davis Press Release
November 6, 2013

The meteor that exploded over Chelyabinsk, Russia, in February 2013 was 
a wake-up call, according to a University of California, Davis, scientist 
who participated in analyzing the event. The work is published Nov. 7 
in the journal Science by an international team of researchers.

If humanity does not want to go the way of the dinosaurs, we need to 
study an event like this in detail, said Qing-zhu Yin, professor in the 
Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at UC Davis.

Chelyabinsk was the largest meteoroid strike since the Tunguska event 
of 1908, and, thanks to modern technology from consumer video cameras 
to advanced laboratory techniques, provides an unprecedented opportunity 
to study such an event, the authors note.

The Chelyabinsk meteorite belongs to the most common type of meteorite, 
an ordinary chondrite. If a catastrophic meteorite strike were to occur 
in the future, it would most likely be an object of this type, Yin said.

The team was led by Olga Popova of the Russian Academy of Sciences in 
Moscow, and by NASA Ames and SETI Institute meteor astronomer Peter
Jenniskens, 
and included 57 other researchers from nine countries.

Our goal was to understand all circumstances that resulted in the damaging 
shock wave that sent over 1,200 people to hospitals in the Chelyabinsk 
Oblast area that day, said Jenniskens. The explosion was equivalent to 
about 600 thousand tons of TNT, 150 times bigger than the 2012 Sutter's 
Mill meteorite in California.

Based on viewing angles from videos of the fireball, the team calculated 
that the meteoroid entered Earth's atmosphere at just over 19 kilometers 
per second, slightly faster than had previously been reported.

Our meteoroid entry modeling showed that the impact was caused by a
20-meter 
sized single chunk of rock that efficiently fragmented at 30 km altitude, 
Popova said. (A meteoroid is the original object; a meteor is the shooting 
star in the sky; and a meteorite is the object that reaches the ground.)

The meteor's brightness peaked at an altitude of 29.7 km (18.5 miles) 
as the object exploded. For nearby observers it briefly appeared brighter 
than the sun and caused some severe sunburns.

The team estimated that about three-quarters of the meteoroid evaporated 
at that point. Most of the rest converted to dust and only a small fraction 
(4,000 to 6,000 kilograms, or less than 0.05 percent) fell to the ground 
as meteorites. The dust cloud was so hot it glowed orange.

The largest single piece, weighing about 650 kilograms, was recovered 
from the bed of Lake Chebarkul in October by a team from Ural Federal 
University led by Professor Viktor Grokhovsky.

Shockwaves from the airburst broke windows, rattled buildings and even 
knocked people from their feet. Popova and Jenniskens visited over 50 
villages in the area and found that the shockwave caused damage about 
90 kilometers (50 miles) on either side of the trajectory. The team showed 
that the shape of the damaged area could be explained from the fact that 
the energy was deposited over a range of altitudes.

The object broke up 30 kilometers up under the enormous stress of entering 
the atmosphere at high speed. The breakup was likely facilitated by abundant

shock veins that pass through the rock, caused by an impact that occurred 
hundreds of millions of years ago. These veins would have weakened the 
original meteoroid.

Yin's laboratory at UC Davis carried out chemical and isotopic analysis 
of the meteorites. Professor Ken Verosub, also of the Department of Earth 
and Planetary Sciences, measured the magnetic properties of metallic grains 
in the meteorite. Doug Rowland, project scientist in the Center for
Molecular 
and Genomic Imaging at the UC Davis Department of Biomedical Engineering, 
contributed X-ray computed tomography scanning of the rock.

Put together, these measurements confirmed that the Chelyabinsk object 
was an ordinary chondrite, 4,452 million years old, and that it last went 
through a significant shock event about 115 million years after the
formation 
of the solar system 4,567 million years ago. That impact was at a much 
later date than in other known chondrites

Re: [meteorite-list] Favourite Meteorite Fall Survey

[Jeff Kuyken]

It's now been a few days and here are the results:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/fall-results.jpg

55 responses. (3 invalid Finds are not included in the data.)

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Kuyken
Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013 8:51 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Favourite Meteorite Fall Survey

Hi all,

If anyone is interested, I've created a survey for a bit of fun and interest
sake which is on my Meteorites Australia Facebook page. It simply asks what
your favourite meteorite fall is. Survey is available here if you would like
to vote for yours:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CL3L65C

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au




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[meteorite-list] Favourite Meteorite Fall Survey

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

If anyone is interested, I've created a survey for a bit of fun and interest
sake which is on my Meteorites Australia Facebook page. It simply asks what
your favourite meteorite fall is. Survey is available here if you would like
to vote for yours:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CL3L65C

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au




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Re: [meteorite-list] Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Bernd in the Sky with Hilda :-)

[Jeff Kuyken]

Congrats Bernd. Well-deserved recognition and a really nice gesture on Rob's
part. 

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V.
Pauli
Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013 4:21 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Bernd in the Sky
with Hilda :-)

Hello List,

Can you imagine my surprise when Rob Matson emailed me and told me
that I would be honored with something very special for my birthday last
May 12. He had done a bit of pre-planning regarding the wording of the
citation and had got the help from a few people notably Dorothy Norton,
John Kashuba, Bob and Moni Verish - all of whom (including Rob Matson
himself, of course!) I want to thank very, very much.

I am truly honored to be wandering among the stars while still roaming
terrestrial fields! I am deeply touched to orbit the Sun together with such
celebrities as our late O.R. Norton [(163800) Richardnorton], his wife
Dorothy Norton [(149243) Dorothynorton = 2002 RL239], my late friend
Jim Kriegh [149244 Kriegh], alongside our esteemed Geoff Notkin [(132904)
Notkin = 2002 RB237], just to name a few.

The minor planet (247553) 2002 RV234 is a member of the Hilda family.
Hildas are in a 3:2 orbital resonance with Jupiter, i.e. they complete 3
orbits for every two Jovian orbits. They have dark surfaces, are rich in
organics and contain water. CI and CM meteorites are believed to originate
in these types of asteroids.

My little asteroid is about 6.5 km in diameter, and, assuming an average
density of 2.1 g/cm^3 for CI/CM chondrites, this would amount to a mass
of about 3 x 10^11 metric tons (300 billion metric tons).
Most of this detailed info was provided by Rob Matson!

Here is the PDF-link to the Minor Planet Circular:

http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/ECS/MPCArchive/2013/MPC_20130722.pdf

Just enter my family name and you'll find me at the top
of the second column of page 231 of that Circular.

Thank you very much for this
honor bestowed on me,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover

[Jeff Kuyken]

Anyone else see this? It's something white sitting between two rocks around
mid-pic.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152932582005103set=a.498242950102
.395373.156382705102

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 4:40 AM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity
Rover


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-205   

Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
June 19, 2013

PASADENA, Calif. -- A billion-pixel view from the surface of Mars, from
NASA's Mars rover Curiosity, offers armchair explorers a way to examine
one part of the Red Planet in great detail.

The first NASA-produced view from the surface of Mars larger than one
billion pixels stitches together nearly 900 exposures taken by cameras
onboard Curiosity and shows details of the landscape along the rover's
route.

The 1.3-billion-pixel image is available for perusal with pan and zoom
tools at: http://mars.nasa.gov/bp1/ .

The full-circle scene surrounds the site where Curiosity collected its
first scoops of dusty sand at a windblown patch called Rocknest, and
extends to Mount Sharp on the horizon.

It gives a sense of place and really shows off the cameras'
capabilities, said Bob Deen of the Multi-Mission Image Processing
Laboratory at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. You
can see the context and also zoom in to see very fine details.

Deen assembled the product using 850 frames from the telephoto camera of
Curiosity's Mast Camera instrument, supplemented with 21 frames from the
Mastcam's wider-angle camera and 25 black-and-white frames -- mostly of
the rover itself -- from the Navigation Camera. The images were taken on
several different Mars days between Oct. 5 and Nov. 16, 2012. Raw
single-frame images received from Curiosity are promptly posted on a
public website at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/ . Mars
fans worldwide have used those images to assemble mosaic views,
including at least one gigapixel scene.

The new mosaic from NASA shows illumination effects from variations in
the time of day for pieces of the mosaic. It also shows variations in
the clarity of the atmosphere due to variable dustiness during the month
while the images were acquired.

NASA's Mars Science Laboratory project is using Curiosity and the
rover's 10 science instruments to investigate the environmental history
within Gale Crater, a location where the project has found that
conditions were long ago favorable for microbial life.

Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, built and operates Curiosity's
Mastcam. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena, manages the project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in
Washington and built the Navigation Camera and the rover.

More information about the mission is online at: http://www.nasa.gov/msl
and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ .

You can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at:
http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and
http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity .

For more information about the Multi-Mission Image Processing
Laboratory, see: http://www-mipl.jpl.nasa.gov/mipex.html .

Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov

2013-205

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Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's

[Jeff Kuyken]

Totally agreed Rob. As someone who collects primitive chondrites, I can say
that there are heaps of examples you might think are Type-3 but turn out to
be 4's. You absolutely need a thin section to tell with 100% certainty.

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 4:19 PM
To: 'William Feek'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's

Hi William,

 Michael, No need to get all anal about the verbage, this ain't a Supreme
Court
hearing.
 I guess I could have inserted the word possible, maybe even used the
word
potential,
 but thankfully there's reasonable people who've displayed the capability
of
understanding
 what I was getting at without the use of crystal clear lawyer speak such
as
what's written
 in a software User Agreement. Go ahead and critique every line and word
that I
wrote,
 I'll be the first to agree that it's probably wrought with problems, but
I'm
not going to
 rewrite it, nor am I going to take draft's of future documents to the
english
department
 of the nearest college for correction before posting.

You're being overly reactionary in your reply to Michael. He raised a
perfectly
valid
point: there is absolutely no way you can determine with confidence that an
uncut
meteorite (especially from NWA) is unequilibrated (type-3).

 By the way, I can tell the difference between a Murchison and NWA 2086,
and
would
  you beleive I can do so without the use of analysis.

That is a completely different matter.

 Similarly, there just so happens to be the existence of some stones which
can
be
 determined to be type 3 without the use of analysis ...

No -- not similarly. William, you need to be disabused of this notion,
unless
your
some stones is extremely restrictive.

 ... so you mean to tell me that you'd have trouble being able to tell if a
stone
 such as Begga was a type 3 or not without the use of analysis?

YES, ABSOLUTELY, if that stone is uncut. No meteoriticist would ever claim
an
uncut stone was unequilibrated without seeing a thin section.

Cheers,
Rob


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Re: [meteorite-list] Misabled/ poorly advertized meteorites

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Mike, all,

As an Aussie, I can say with 100% absolute certainty that this isn't
Murchison. It's not even close. In fact, I'm actually wondering it's a
meteorite at all as it looks more like some type of porphyritic rock. The
only meteorite I have seen that looks even remotely like this would be a CV3
dark inclusion. But the rectangular fragment on the back side doesn't bode
well for a chondritic meteorite either. It would be easier to tell
in-person.

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013 12:52 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Misabled/ poorly advertized meteorites

Martin, 

I am sorry but this IS NOT Murchison, and the Estherville IS NOT
Estherville. 
I emailed you regarding the Murchison and the fact that the photos clearly
show an NWA type old carbonaceous chondrite only minutes after you posted to
the list, and got no response. 
Anyone who has ever laid eyes on Murchison knows that it does not have
desert varnish on the outside, nor white chondrules and CAI's on a CV3
matrix. 
I feel sorry for whoever got burned on that one. You advertised the low
price, I guess it is low because it is not Murchison.

anyone reading this, feel free to speak up and tell us how this Murchison
looks compared to real Murchison.
http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Murchison_8_13_g_004.JPG
http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Murchison_8_13_g_003.JPG
http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Murchison_8_13_g_001.JPG


I bought the Estherville which you claim is from American Meteorite
Laboratory. 
I assumed since you advertised and showed a label that it was real, I was
reading my email on an iphone while at the Laboratory in ASU, I showed the
photo of the Murchison to the people in the lab who just laughed.
My spider senses were not in order obviously because I went ahead and paid
for the Estherville. I received it today, and it is NOT Estherville, I am
pretty certain it is not a meteorite. The crust looks fake, or slaggy. I
have more than 50 pieces of Estherville all from British Museum and
Smithsonian, and this isn't close. Furthemore the lable is nothing more than
a printed piece of paper laminated. 
I have the Nininger and Huss collections of meteorites books, and
Estherville under Nininger is #42, Huss is H230. Again, some homework on my
part would have caused me to not purchase this piece, but the price was good
and I thought it would sell fast (I bought it in seconds). It is a firm
reminder that something too cheap to be true, isn't!

You piece has no number on the stone (
Nininger and Huss both would have matched the number on the label and
painted it on the stone).
And the AML number on the fake label is not matched up to their normal
numbers (yours is (2) 680.501. This is not a Nininger or Huss number

You claim in your email (attached with this one below for all to read), that
these pieces have their passports IE American Meteorite Laboratory labels
as provenance, yet you deliver to me a fake printed laminated label done on
a computer.
Martin, this is NOT PROVENANCE, this is pretty much outright FRAUD!

I know you have been doing meteorites for a while, and I know Murchison is
easily one of the easiest meteorites to identify, so I have to question what
is going on when such a false piece can pass the hands of such an
experienced seller? 
This Estherville is not an Estherville, it is not a Nininger or Huss piece
as advertised, and I do not think it is even a meteorite. 
I put in a request for refund via paypal, and now I am making the same
request publically.
I don't know where you got these but you got burned.

I will deliver it by hand in Ensisheim or ship from Germany on the 19th when
I am back in Europe. Please refund my money and I will close the case with
paypal.

Michael Farmer



Below is the original ad saying these had AML documentation. I received a
newly printed fake AML label. If you print it, it is NOT am AML label and to
say it is a document is a clear fraud!.



___Dear Collectors,

today we want to accelerate especially the heartbeat of the lovers of
documented historic specimens,
in setting up for sale two of such, which would be without doubt also very
remarkable,
if they wouldn't be accompanied by their passports of provenience, the
labels of the 
American Meteorite Laboratory.

The American Meteorite Laboratory (AML) was founded in 1960 in Westminster,
Colorado by H.H.Nininger's daughter Margaret 
and her husband Glenn Huss, to reestablish and continue the work of her
father with his American Meteorite Museum,
which he had finally to shut down for financial reasons in 1953. 
The AML had such an outreach in the 

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 new NWA's (H-Melt)

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Mike, all, 

Those H-melts almost seem like they are only partially classified. Most
IMB usually have a petrologic grade associated with them as there is often a
part of the meteorite that isn't completely melted. 

For example; NWA 7626 mentioned in the new updates says: The chondritic
portion shows an unequilibrated texture This makes me think it should
be something like H3-IMB or H4-IMB etc. Same principle for NWA 7627 which
also mentions a Chondritic portion. 

H-IMB are not that rare. Adam Bates' NWA 7534 is a beautiful and very recent
example of one such meteorite. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/281079330057)

Gao, Chergach and DHO 010 are other H examples that immediately spring to
mind. 

Cheers,

Jeff

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic
Stone  Ironworks
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 1:50 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 new NWA's (H-Melt)

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Three new approvals today.  Two of them are H-melts - the first from
outside Antarctica.

Link -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=vali
ds=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmbl
ist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] NASA Fireball Website Launches with New Russian Meteor Explosion Details

[Jeff Kuyken]

http://www.space.com/20216-russian-meteor-nasa-fireball-website.html

NASA has launched a new website to share details of meteor explosion events
as recorded by U.S. military sensors on secretive spacecraft, kicking off
the project with new details of last month's fireball over Chelyabinsk,
Russia.

The new Fireball and Bolide Reports website, overseen by NASA's Near-Earth
Object Program, debuted Friday (March 1) with its first entry: a table with
a chronological data summary of the Russian meteor explosion of Feb. 15
gleaned from U.S. Government sensor data. Scientists are calling the event a
superbolide, taken from the term bolide typically used for fireballs
created by meteors.

Sharing the information publicly is part of a renewed collaboration between
the U.S. military and the scientific community.

And what better way to kick this site off than the Chelyabinsk superbolide
… the most energetic recognized-fireball event since Tunguska in 1908, said
Don Yeomans, a senior research scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion
Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. He is also manager of NASA's Near-Earth
Object Program Office at JPL.

This website is meant to be the vehicle for future reports of
fireballs/bolides as seen by U.S. government sensors, Yeomans told
SPACE.com. This is the first posting of its kind on this site. Future data
on bright fireballs will be added to this table. We won't capture every
fireball event … only the unusually bright ones, he said.

I consider this a major step forward since these fireball events are by far
the most frequent impactors into the Earth's atmosphere, Yeomans said. And
these reports will go a long way toward defining the annual flux of small
Earth impactors.

This public release of government detector data was made possible by a newly
signed memorandum of agreement (MOA) between NASA’s Science Mission
Directorate and Headquarters Air Force Space Command Air, Space and
Cyberspace Operations Directorate.

The MOA was signed on Jan. 18, said Capt. Chris Sukach, spokesperson for
U.S. Air Force Space Command at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado. For
security reasons, the actual MOA is classified, she told SPACE.com.  

As a result of the agreement, Sukach said, NASA's Near Earth Object (NEO)
Program is receiving information on bolide/fireball events based on analysis
of data collected by U.S. Government sensors.

Data on the recent Chelyabinsk event has been released, Sukach said.

Sukach added that when Air Force Space Command receives data on bolide
events, it pushes that data to the NASA Near Earth Object Office. From then
on, it is a NASA-owned process, but our understanding is NASA distributes
the information via the publically-accessible Near Earth Object Office
website to assist the scientific community’s investigation of bolides, she
said.

According to Don Yeomans and Paul Chodas, also of the NASA/JPL Near-Earth
Object Program office, the Russian fireball was technically a superbolide
that was observed on the morning of Feb. 15 in the skies near Chelyabinsk,
Russia.

The object was a relatively small asteroid, approximately 55 to 65 feet (17
to 20 meters) in size. As it roared through the Earth's atmosphere at high
speed and a shallow angle, the asteroid released a huge amount of energy.
The object broke apart at high altitude, producing a shower of pieces of
various sizes that fell to the ground as meteorites. [Russian Meteor
Fragments Found (Video)]

The fireball was observed not only by video cameras and low-frequency
infrasound detectors, but also by U.S. Government sensors, Yeomans and
Chodas said. As a result, the details of the impact have become clearer.
There is no connection between the Russian fireball event and the close
approach of asteroid 2012 DA14, which occurred just over 16 hours later.

Congress wants to know about NEOs

Congressional action on NEOs for this year, spurred in part by the Russian
event, was initially slated kick off on March 6 during a House subcommittee
hearing, but the meeting was postponed due to weather concerns. The meeting
is now scheduled for Tuesday, March 19.

The full committee of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology
is expected to hold a multi-panel hearing on Threats from Space: a Review
of U.S. Government Efforts to Track and Mitigate Asteroids and Meteors.

Slated to testify on one panel is John Holdren, White House science officer;
General William Shelton, commander of the U.S. Air Force Space Command; and
Charles Bolden, NASA's chief.


Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible that comet will hit mars next year!!!

[Jeff Kuyken]

Just out of curiosity, what could this mean for the space-craft currently
orbiting Mars? I mean even if this misses (which it probably will) a comet
tail is pretty big and I'm sure there would be a lot of debris reaching
Mars. If orbiters go down then I'm assuming the rovers do too. This could
have some consequences many may not have even considered yet. 

Cheers,

Jeff


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Ensor
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:38 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible that comet will hit mars next year!!!

Has anyone come across this yet...unlikelybut would be quite an event?

Just got this message from my nephew at Oxford Uni...

There is a (admittedly slight) chance that a recently discovered
comet, C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring), might be on a collision course with
Mars in October 2014. Latest observations certainly include an impact
possibility within the range of error.

If it hits, estimates suggest a 500km wide, 2km deep crater arising
from a ~20 Petaton event. That's something like 4 million times the
(estimated) explosive power of the current global nuclear arsenal.

Would be interesting to watch and see if any of the rovers on the
surface manage to survive such an impact (I would imagine only
possibly Curiosity but keeping lines of communication open with it
might prove difficult). Might make for (eventually, but not in our
lifetimes) some interesting future Martian meteorites.

 
http://www.universetoday.com/100298/is-a-comet-on-a-collision-course-with-ma
rs/

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] ALERT: Large number of meteorites stolen

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

Mike Reynolds just posted this news story about the theft to the IMCA List. 

http://goo.gl/7Xvf5

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of J Sinclair
Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012 9:26 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ALERT: Large number of meteorites stolen

I want to thank everyone for their comments, concerns and suggestions
about the stolen meteorites. As I can put together more information I
will post it. There are additional specimens that were taken. Some of
them are shown in the pictures that Mike Hankey linked to from his
visit at PARI. If I can get photos from the security cameras, I will
post them.

I've done a small but important update to the partial list of stolen
meteorites. I have re formatted the list so weights of the specimens
are now shown.

www.StolenMeteorites.com

The meteorite community has been very helpful in the past with
information that has led to the arrest of meteorite thieves and the
recovery of stolen meteorites. Let's hope that will happen again.

Many Thanks, John







On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 PM, J Sinclair j...@meteoriteusa.com wrote:
 Dear Meteorite Collectors and Dealers,


 On December 24, 2012 at about 3 AM local time, the Pisgah Astronomical
 Research Institute in western North Carolina was broken in to and well
over
 100 meteorites were taken.

 Many of these meteorites were bought from list members and list dealers
over
 the past 15 + years. Many of them are going to be difficult to replace.
 There's a reward offered for the recovery of these meteorites.

 I have pictures, more information and a list of some of the meteorites on
 the website -

 www.StolenMeteorites.com



 PLEASE take a look.
 I will be adding to this list and posting new information as it becomes
 available.

 There are several large multi kilo iron meteorites that were also taken. I
 will post information about them as I get it compiled.

 If anyone has any information or are offered any of these meteorites,
please
 contact Dave Clavier at PARI or me.  All information will be kept
 confidential.

 Thank you,

 John Sinclair
 jsincl...@pari.edu
 j...@meteoriteusa.com
 252-622-6430

 David E. Clavier, Ph.D.
 Vice President of Administration  Development
 Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute
 One PARI Drive
 Rosman, NC 28772
 828-862-5554 (main)
 828-553-9713 (cell)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Birthday Bash

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

I asked Geoff Notkin a month or two ago and he confirmed the Birthday Bash
will be on Friday the 8th. 

Cheers,

Jeff


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012 12:23 PM
To: Michael Mulgrew
Cc: Meteorite List; Met. Anita Westlake
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Birthday Bash

Perhaps Geoff or Steve will tell us?
Michael

On 12/3/12 5:03 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe the Birthday Bash is held on the middle Friday, not a
 Wednesday.  This year I would expect it to be held Friday, Feb. 8.
 
 Michael in so. Cal.
 
 On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote:
 Hi Anita and all,
 
 Anita, the Tucson Meteorite Auction will be at 7:30 PM
 Saturday, Feb. 9th (viewing and mingling from 6PM on) at
 The Same Location:1150 N. Beverly. All this info available
 at:  http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson2013.html
 
 Geoff and Steve have yet to announce the Birthday Bash,
 But they have always held it the Wed before the auction. The
 IMCA dinner is always the Thursday after the BDBash  before
 The auction.
 
 Looking foreword to seeing your jolly, gregarious self - and so
 Many others - in Tucson! (Is it time for Tucson Fever, already?!)
 
 Warm regards, Michael
 
 
 
 
 On 12/3/12 8:29 AM, Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote:
 
 Apologies in advance if this was already announced, but I'm looking for
info
 on
 the Birthday Bash and the Auction. Dates, times and locations please.
Need
 to
 make my flight reservations...
 Thanks much,
 Anita
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First Alabama stone found!

[Jeff Kuyken]

I would like to pass along my congrats to everyone working in the Galactic
Analytics team! Great work... another one under your belt! By the way...
when are you starting on Aussie falls? ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Marc Fries
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012 3:13 AM
To: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First Alabama stone found!


Hi List,

   ( Marc Fries was kind enough to host/post this to the list for me  
since I can't send photos thru the List) Please see the exciting news  
below, as well as a couple of photos of the stone.

   *

   I am happy to have the pleasure of being able to announce that the  
first stone from the new Alabama fall last Tuesday, Oct 30th has been  
found!

   A big CONGRATS to the team members Stephen Beck, Tommy Brown and  
Jerry Hinkle on their beautiful find late yesterday evening (11-3-12),  
almost exactly 4 days to the hour from the time of the fall. Great  
job, guys!

   No exact weight available yet, but best guess is near 60grams.  
Appears to be an OC, possibly brecciated. This particular specimen has  
a prominent metal vein on one corner.

   Also a big THANK YOU to Marc Fries, Jeff Fries, Rob Matson, and  
Jake Schaefer for their fantastic work with the radar! Most List  
members probably know that Jerry and I have been meteorite-hunting  
partners for over 20 years now. We had just subscribed to Galactic  
Analytics on Friday, 11-2. I had to work this weekend and couldn't  
join him (my wife said I should have asked someone to work for me- she  
was right... again ;-) on this hunt, but Jerry headed to Alabama Sat.  
morning with the maps, and by the end of the day, a meteorite was in  
hand! Now if that isn't a great testimony to the value of the GA radar  
map service, I don't know what would be. Great job by you guys, too!

   Now for a little back ground on the other members of the team and  
the story of how these guys got together to find a find-of-a-lifetime.

   Stephen Beck is a good friend of mine who has several very  
interesting hobbies and a very successful practice, but meteorite  
hunting is something he had never actually got to do. Ironically, I  
had told him less than two weeks ago that the next time I went on a  
hunt I would definitely invite him. How were we to know that it would  
only be a few days before HE would be contacting me about his local  
news station there in AL describing a tremendous fireball that  
evening, complete with sonic booms. Not 5 minutes later, another  
friend sent me an email saying that Mike (Farmer) had just called him  
from Germany saying he had just learned of the fall and that there  
were almost certainly stones on the ground there. I told Jerry about  
it and since he's living the good life now and had plenty of time to  
go, he started making plans to go Sat morning. We arranged for him to  
meet up with Stephen and his
friend, Tommy Brown, who knew the area well. When they found the  
stone, they sent me a photo and I forwarded it to Mike. No doubt about  
it!

(see the photos of the stone that Marc is hosting for us)


   Best wishes,
   Robert Woolard

--

Howdy, all - Marc Fries writing now...

I have started up a gallery of meteorite photos on the Galactic  
Analytics web page!  I want to fill this gallery with pictures of  
meteorites that we help you recover. I need to figure out how to add  
labels with the meteorites' names and the names of the finder/owner,  
but here it is in a simple state for now.  This page will remain open  
to the public and will not need a subscription to view.

Pictures are available here:

http://www.galacticanalytics.com/meteorite-pictures/

Congratulations to Stephen Beck, Tommy Brown, Jerry Hinkle, and Robert  
Woolard for making the FIRST find of this fall!  We are calling this  
meteorite Add001 for now, but we may change the name (but not the  
number!) if the name submitted to the Nomenclature Committee is  
different from Addison.

Congratulations again!
Marc Fries, Rob Matson, Jake Schaefer and Jeff Fries
Galactic Analytics LLC


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hey Steve, all,

Steve, you actually reminded me of something I thought of when I first saw the 
statue story which I'm curious about. I have a small N'Goureyma slice that was 
cut many years ago that has not rusted as such but displays an obviously 
oxidised surface similar to the statue. Second pic on this page: 
http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/n'goureyma.html

Has anyone else got examples of old cut irons that have not rusted but 
oxidised in different ways?

Cheers,

Jeff 


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2012 6:42 AM
To: meteorh...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue

List,

So, I was visiting Robert Beauford today at this store here in 
wonderful Eureka Springs, where it is a bit rainy, but yet still a 
beautiful fall day, shopper abounding, and the leaves are turning on 
the hillsides around our quaint village.  Robert read me the not quite 
completed draft of the response to my post (below) here on the list, 
mentioning why this piece was not a fake and I found his reply to be 
an amazingly poignant retort.  A few minutes later he mentioned how now 
he had to decide if he will actually hit send or hit delete?  I 
sincerely hope he sends it, because I was indeed wrong in my statement, 
and the topic deserves more discussion.

I won't rehash all that Robert stated, as I hope he will send it and 
you all can read it in his words, but obviously, the work is a genuine 
meteorite and it is a genuine hand made work of art,  thus not a fake 
meteorite piece of art. Now, the question is left as when was it made, 
and possibly who made it and where?  When it made has nothing to do 
with it being a fake, unless of course someone is trying to pass it off 
as being something it isn't, and that does not seem to be the case.

Anyway, I stand corrected on what I stated.  My intention was to say 
that I felt there is no way it was 1,000 years old.

Carry on...

Steve Arnold
Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men
   www.ScienceChannel.com
Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites  More, 28 1/2 
Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632
President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones
   www.Palladot.com
Facebook:  MeteoriteMan  
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Arnold meteorh...@aol.com
To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:20 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/space-buddha-statue-fake-fraud_n_2015587.html?ncid=webmail8

Of course it is a fake.  If it is a Nantan, it would have rusted away
into a million flakes about 997 years ago it if it was really carved
1,000 years old.  Even if it wasn't a Nantan, I would guess it still
would have rusted to an extreme state in less than 100 years time,
unless it maybe was a very nickel rich ataxite.  



Steve Arnold
Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men
   www.ScienceChannel.com
Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites  More, 28 1/2
Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632
President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones
   www.Palladot.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Battle Mountain color

[Jeff Kuyken]

I agree with Dolores too and you would really need to see the pieces in
person. Some of you might recall how stones from some fresh falls can have
part of the stone with a shiny browner coloured crust. Oum Dreyga was one
that had quite a few stones like that and I think Bassikounou too. It has
been discussed on the list in the past. Also, if you look around the edge of
the stone Sonny pictured, you will see it appears black in those areas. 

Cheers,

Jeff

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of D. Hill
Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2012 6:14 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Battle Mountain color


I agree with Adam.  I, too, have noticed that images of some meteorites, 
including fresh falls, may appear black or brownish depending on the 
lighting conditions (type, white balance, flash/no flash, angle) and 
camera exposure... even though they may look black to the naked eye.  I 
think all would agree it is best to see meteorites in person.

-Dolores Hill

On 9/5/2012 12:51 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
 I have not seen any of this material first-hand but I was thinking the
same thing when I saw Bob Verish's images.  Perhaps it rained in Northern
Nevada or many times fresh falls take on a brownish hue.  If the miner's
stone was found within a few hours of the fall, then I would think the
stones have a natural brownish hue or it could be the white balance is off
on the digital camera.


 Happy hunting,

 Adam




 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Tettenbornt...@rogers.com
 To: wahlpe...@aol.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Battle Mountain Field report / strewn field
conditions / etc.

 I had the exact same impression.  This one looks like a somewhat weathered
NWA.

 Could be the lighting.

 But, Adam Hupe reported multiple finds so far so this could be legit.

 tett


 Mike Tettenborn
 Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada
 t...@rogers.com



 On 2012-09-05, at 2:49 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have posted a few pictures of the strewnfield and a large chondrite on
my website.A couple of the roads in the  area will be posted with No
trespassing signs later this week. The reason is for mine safety
regulations.The project supervisor was very nice and explained the biggest
concern is safety.If anything was to happen on the mining clam, the site
would be shut down.

 Thanks,
 Sonny


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[meteorite-list] LL6 H6 speicmens required for Australian researcher

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

I'm trying to assist an Australian researcher who is looking to purchase
some fresh material for study. 

He is specifically after fragments (not slices) around 1.5 cm3 or larger in
size. The preferred specimens are Sulagiri (LL6) and an H6 fall such as
Zhovtnevyi. Specimens could be NWA if the weathering grade is W0 but cannot
be brecciated.

If anyone can assist in either providing one of these sample types or
pointing me in the right direction, could you please email me directly.

Thanks,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
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[meteorite-list] Tiny 'spherules' reveal details about Earth's asteroid impacts

[Jeff Kuyken]

 to distinguish between these two
types of formations, Melosh said. Nobody had established criteria for
discriminating between them, and we've done that now.

One of the authors of the Southwest Research Institute paper, David Minton,
is now an assistant professor of earth and atmospheric sciences at Purdue.

Findings from the research may enable Melosh's team to enhance an asteroid
impact effects calculator he developed to estimate what would happen if
asteroids of various sizes were to hit the Earth. The calculator, Impact:
Earth! allows anyone to calculate potential comet or asteroid damage based
on the object's mass.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
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Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Blebs in Chondrites (Need photos!)

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hey Erik,

Anything like this?

http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa802pocket.html

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Erik
Fisler
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:04 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Iron Blebs in Chondrites (Need photos!)

Does anyone have any photos of iron blebs/globs/veins either in slices or
preferably ablating from the exterior of a stone?

Not from Franconia area meteorites but from other falls?

-Erik Fisler
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Re: [meteorite-list] LPSC 43 - Any big news or unexpected meteoritestories?

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Richard  all,

We already have meteorites representing this possible scenario with numerous
Howardites containing carbonaceous clasts. Have a look at this piece I got
from Edwin  Patrick Thompson about 6 months ago... beautiful material:

http://meteorites.com.au/images/NWA-6695-Howardite-3.7g.jpg

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Montgomery
Sent: Monday, 26 March 2012 11:22 AM
To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu; Kelly Beatty
Cc: 'meteorite-list'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LPSC 43 - Any big news or unexpected
meteoritestories?

Awesome!  Waiting for that CR impregnated eucrite

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From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
To: Kelly Beatty jkellybea...@comcast.net
Cc: 'meteorite-list' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LPSC 43 - Any big news or unexpected 
meteoritestories?


 Hi Mike and Kelly:

 There were several sessions on the Dawn mission. Unfortunately, I missed
 many of them on Friday. However, what was of most interest to me is the
 likelihood that the dark areas on Vesta are the remnants of low velocity
 impacts by carbonaceous asteroids. Hopefully over the next few months,
 there will be some more news releases/publications on this.

 Larry
 PS Still not happy with calling Vesta a planet.

 Mike...

 Is there anything
 new about Tissint, or any other meteorite that has emerged at this
 year's conference?

 there was an oral session on New Martian Meteorites, and the lead paper
 described Tissint
 (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2012/pdf/2510.pdf). but
 that's it re: Tissint.

 elsewhere, I chased down a couple of papers alluding to specific comets
 capable
 of dropping meteorites, but the modeling is (IMHO) incomplete.

 so you'll just have to settle for LPSC results having to do with planets!
 ;-)

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/March-Madness-on-Mercury-143756146.html


 clear skies,
 Kelly

 
 J. Kelly Beatty
 Senior Contributing Editor
 SKY  TELESCOPE
 617-416-9991
 SkyandTelescope.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Whereabouts of King Tut's breastplate (was: New Dakhleh Glass website page)

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Bernd, Norm  all,

I have done some study of ancient Egyptian jewellery and made a point of
seeing that piece when I was in Cairo in ~2003. I also saw it about 6 months
ago here in Melbourne with a large ancient Egyptian exhibition. It is
definitely worth seeing in-person if you should ever get the chance as is
many of the works from that time.

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V.
Pauli
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:02 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Whereabouts of King Tut's breastplate (was: New
Dakhleh Glass website page)

Hi Norm and List,

Good to see you are back and good to see you are quickly catching
up on your website but what else should we expect from a slave-driver ;-)

Talking about LDG and King Tut, you write on your website the following:

The image of King Tut's breastplate at left shows a carved straw-yellow
scarab as its centerpiece. Long assumed to be chalcedony, this has now
been confirmed to be Libyan Desert Glass!

and:

I have not been able to determine the whereabouts of this artifact. After
multiple
trips to the Egyptian National Museum, I am quite sure it is not on display
there,
nor is there any indication where it may be on loan.


*If* my sources are correct, King Tut's Moon Pectoral should be in Kairo:

Kairo, Egyptian Museum, JE 61884
Find number 267 d
Height 14.9 cm
Breadth 14.5 cm

Best wishes,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] New Met Bulletin approvals

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi John  all,

For those of you who may not be aware, the Met Bull has a great RSS feed
where new approvals come through automatically. It's a great service.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/meteorite-rss.php

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au 
President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc 


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John
Lutzon
Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2012 3:39 PM
To: Galactic Stone  Ironworks
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Met Bulletin approvals

Hi All,

Thank you Mike for the heads up. As i have 25 or so UNWA's and almost always

check the Met Bull daily i did miss this one. I am lucky enough to have two 
today, 6349-5.32g and 6709-5.59g, and wish to thank Stefan  Martin for my 
good luck. As well, i thank the big Kahuna (Gary) for 2 other unwa's i 
purchased from him that were classified, 6573-1.39g and 6575-5.61g.

I hope others had good luck today and everyday of their anticipated 
acceptance of their Unwa's.

John Lutzon
IMCA 1896



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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:18 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Met Bulletin approvals


 Hi Listees,

 For those of you who follow the Met Bulletin, 21 new meteorites were
 approved today.  Some of these are rare types.


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=vali
ds=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmbl
ist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hammer Time - You Pick the Target!

[Jeff Kuyken]

Great post Rob. Nicely said.

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Lenssen
Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 8:59 AM
To: 'Michael Gilmer'; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hammer Time - You Pick the Target!

I remember, reading a meteorite book years ago - long before NWA meteorites
became available - showing a photograph of an approx. 500g weathered
ordinary chondrite meteorite, in situ, in Australia.
A size, at that time completely unattainable for a collector like me. A
great treasure.

. I would suggest to gently toss the stone onto a huge cushion, so that
no harm will be done, and enjoy and appreciate your rare treasure from
space.

Have a nice birthday!
Rob



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Van: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens Michael Gilmer
Verzonden: zaterdag 12 november 2011 2:19
Aan: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hammer Time - You Pick the Target!

Hi Listees,

Let me state now, at the start, this post is SILLY.  If you are aggravated
or offended by meteorite-related silliness on this List, then stop reading
and delete this post now.

Ok, you were warned.

Tomorrow is my birthday (41 going on 16) and I have indulged in a rare
pleasure - a few shots of Maker's Mark.  This has made me a bit silly and a
pointless idea spontaneously erupted from my sodded brain...

Have you ever wondered what would happen if a falling meteorite struck a
certain object?

Now you can find out.

I have an unclassified NWA chondrite of dubious worth.  It is weathered.  It
is ugly.  It's probably an H5 chondrite.  It weighs 851 grams (1.87 pounds).

Photos of the HAMMER SMASHER METEORITE :

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/smasher-1.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/smasher-2.jpg

I am going to use this meteorite to SMASH objects that you nominate for
destruction!

Here is how this will work :

I will accept nominations from the List for objects that will be hammered by
this meteorite.

Once a nomination is selected, I will take the object out into my backyard
and place it on the ground.  I will set up a camera to capture the resulting
mayhem on video.  I will then climb onto my roof and hurl the meteorite at
the object with the intent of doing some serious damage to the target
object.  Then I will upload the video to YouTube for hammer voyeurs around
the world to watch.

Some rules about nominating objects :

1) I am a man of very modest means.  This means I cannot, and will not,
smash any flat screen plasma televisions, iPads, Ferrari windshields,
priceless antiques, or other objects which are expensive or difficult to
acquire.  The objects nominated should be common items that are easily
available and inexpensive.

2) Resist the temptation to nominate politicians (of any party affiliation).

3) I will select a winning nominee based on a combination of - creativity
and smashability.

4) If someone wants to donate an object for smashing, I will consider and
accept donated objects based on the criteria laid out in #3 above.
 You will bear the cost of shipping the object to me and return shipping if
you want the shattered remnants of the objects returned to you.

Let the nominations begin!

MikeG



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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Central Flashback

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Shawn,

What a great idea. Further to that I've just had a look and the list
archives all seem to be there in one form or including those no longer
available at the current archive. (pre April 2004) It looks like every email
may at least be archived within the txt downloads. 

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 9:02 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Central Flashback

Hello Listers,

I think a couple days ago someone had said they did a way back machine on
someones website and I decided to do that with Meteorite Central. Take a
look at the link. The snap shot was taken on Jan 10th 1998.  At that tim,e I
was in high school wondering about what c I was going to buy at the muzik
store. Time goes by fast.

http://web.archive.org/web/19980110185227/http://meteoritecentral.com/

Shawn Alan 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Friable meteorites

[Jeff Kuyken]

Or dare I say Nantan! Ok... so kind of a different thread but at least you
don't even need to touch that one! ;-)

On a silent night you can hear the Nantans rust!

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Mulgrew
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 3:51 PM
To: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
Cc: The List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Friable meteorites

Pete,

If you want to talk friable meteorites, take a look at Tagish Lake.
It is one of my most favorite meteorites, it is the least dense
meteorite known to man.  Fascinating!

-Michael in so. Cal.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:06 PM, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
wrote:

 In a conversation with someone today, it was mentioned that
 Kilabo was extremely friable. Another really friable
 meteorite was Caracas, Peru.
 My question is how do they survive to the ground, to be found
 not as a dust, but in large pieces? How did they make a crator?
 Have the scientists figured out how the Caracas meteorite made
 such a large crator?
 Many questions and so little time to figure out what happened.
 Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] UARS: Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

[Jeff Kuyken]

NASA appears to be updating via Twitter and mentions Canada.

http://twitter.com/#!/nasa

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: [meteorite-list] UARS: Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

I think we've got a good match -- looks like reentry would have
occurred around 21:20 PDT (24 Sep 04:20 UT) south of Calgary,
Alberta... If true, pieces should be recoverable.  --Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Rob
Matson
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:09 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

Possible reentry over Alberta, Canada. Attempting to confirm town
location is sufficiently close to the predicted reentry track
before I reveal its name... --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] UARS: Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

[Jeff Kuyken]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/uars/index.html

Update #14
Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:16:50 PM UTC+1000

NASA's decommissioned Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite fell back to Earth
between 11:23 p.m. EDT Friday, Sept. 23 and 1:09 a.m. EDT Sept. 24. The
satellite was passing eastward over Canada and Africa as well as vast
portions of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian oceans during that period. The
precise re-entry time and location are not yet known with certainty.

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: [meteorite-list] UARS: Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

I think we've got a good match -- looks like reentry would have
occurred around 21:20 PDT (24 Sep 04:20 UT) south of Calgary,
Alberta... If true, pieces should be recoverable.  --Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Rob
Matson
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:09 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

Possible reentry over Alberta, Canada. Attempting to confirm town
location is sufficiently close to the predicted reentry track
before I reveal its name... --Rob

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[meteorite-list] UARS Update

[Jeff Kuyken]

If real... WOW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OfWgu5jk5g

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Kuyken
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2011 5:27 PM
To: 'Rob Matson'; 'Meteorite List'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] UARS: Reentry may have been over Alberta,
Canada

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/uars/index.html

Update #14
Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:16:50 PM UTC+1000

NASA's decommissioned Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite fell back to Earth
between 11:23 p.m. EDT Friday, Sept. 23 and 1:09 a.m. EDT Sept. 24. The
satellite was passing eastward over Canada and Africa as well as vast
portions of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian oceans during that period. The
precise re-entry time and location are not yet known with certainty.

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: [meteorite-list] UARS: Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

I think we've got a good match -- looks like reentry would have
occurred around 21:20 PDT (24 Sep 04:20 UT) south of Calgary,
Alberta... If true, pieces should be recoverable.  --Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Rob
Matson
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:09 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reentry may have been over Alberta, Canada

Possible reentry over Alberta, Canada. Attempting to confirm town
location is sufficiently close to the predicted reentry track
before I reveal its name... --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] UARS final death-throws

[Jeff Kuyken]

Well it should have just skipped over-head and nothing to report from
down-under... that I know of!

Cheers,

Jeff

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupé
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2011 3:31 PM
To: Rob Matson; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] UARS final death-throws

What is it doing, skipping like a rock on a pond?



Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- 
From: Rob Matson
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:25 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] UARS final death-throws

Hi All,

Assuming UARS is still in orbit, it is passing just off the
east coast of Australia right now (22:22 PDT)... --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

These grooves are not unique to Vesta and have been found on a number of
other bodies with numerous formation theories. In fact here is one paper
dedicated to grooves on asteroids and moons:

http://multimedia.seti.org/PhD2011/abstracts/PhD2-11-024.pdf

Cheers,

Jeff


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob King
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 3:53 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video

Oh, what the heck, I'll throw in my thoughts too. Could the Vesta
grooves be faulting combined with later slumping (as seen many lunar
craters) caused by the force of impact?
Bob

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 Richard, Larry, List,,,

 Larry has guessed, It is possible that the grooves are related to this
impact..

 I think Larry might be on to something.. If the grooves run parallel to
the circumference of the large defect..might they not be upheavals caused by
the forces moving out away from the epicenter?

 Just guessing,

 Guido
 -Original Message-
From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
Sent: Sep 21, 2011 5:21 AM
To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video

Richard:

The depression is an impact feature, by far the largest relavtive to the
size of the body it hit (Vesta). It is possible that the grooves are
related to this impact (just a guess).

Larry

 Howdy List,

 While the 'big depression' on the Vestan south pole has been a major
 focus...what about those wild grooves???

 I see visions of a spinning Vesta grinding against another twin, gouging
 grooves in a dancea low gravity parlay perhaps analogous to a
 high-school bump and grind, the two spinning against each otherwhich
 begs the obvious question:  where is the partner in grind??

 Should we not expect to eventually find trailing remnants of both in
those
 tell-tale grooves?

 -Richard Montgomery




 - Original Message -
 From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
 To: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com
 Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video


 Hi Mike:

 I assume that you meant to say slick (hope that I am not putting words
 in
 your mouth).

 I have played this video several times and it is clear how much can be
 said about Vesta by the narrator without giving any scientific
 interpretation of it! I realize that there is always the mandate that
 little is said without an official press release or the published
papers
 with the first results, but to say only that there is a depression at
 the south pole, a huge crater (known for many years) and probably the
 main
 source of most HED meteorites, leaves one wanting for at least some
 interpretation of what one is seeing.

 Larry

 i didn't see this posted to the list yet. pretty sick video.


http://www.space.com/12998-asteroid-vesta-video-nasa-dawn-spacecraft.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - September 7, 2011

[Jeff Kuyken]

Thank you for all your posts to the list Ron. They really are one of the
things that make it great! If it wasn't for today's post I would never have
seen such a unique view of Mars such as this:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023464_0945

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke
Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 9:34 AM
To: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - September 7, 2011



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
September 7, 2011

o Gullies and Lobate Material in a Crater in Nereidum Montes
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023173_1405

  This crater has gullies on its southwest-facing walls and rim, as 
  well as and what appears to be two separate instances of ear-shaped 
  material associated to its interior gullies.

o Iazu Crater   
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023237_1775

  These crater walls, which are well exposed,may provide a regional 
  context for the Opportunity rover's studies of Endeavour Crater.

o Carbon Dioxide Ice in the Late Summer 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023464_0945

  For most of the year these walls are covered with bright frost, but 
  they defrost and show their true colors at the end of the summer.

o Fan and Dust Devil in Deuteronilus Mensa  
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023671_2270

  The dust devil is an example of the ongoing processes that continue to 
  shape the surface of Mars.

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

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[meteorite-list] Astronaut Photographs Perseid Meteor... From Space!

[Jeff Kuyken]

Very cool! A meteor pic from space taken from the ISS.

http://news.discovery.com/space/astronaut-photographs-perseid-meteor-from-sp
ace-110814.html

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
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[meteorite-list] Removed/Resigned Members

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

I would just like to address Pete's question and clarify that none of these
member's complaints were in regards to the authenticity of material. I
personally have no reason to believe that any of them have sold
misrepresented meteorite material.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
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Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2011 5:43 PM
To: The List
Subject: [meteorite-list] shell shocked and stunned

Open Question to be taken very seriously-
Does this mean that anything received from any/all
three is/are now suspect in our respective collections?
Pete MICA 1733


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Re: [meteorite-list] Polandmet 10th anniversary

[Jeff Kuyken]

I couldn't agree more Bob. I've never received a badly prepared meteorite 
for Marcin and every purchase from him is great! Many of my favourite pieces 
have come from PolandMet so congrats on your 10th Anniversary Marcin and 
hope to see you for the 20th!


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com
To: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polandmet 10th anniversary


Marcin,
I'm so glad you started selling meteorites. I'm still in awe of how
nicely cut and beautifully polished your specimens are. Thanks for all
the nice rocks over the years!
Best wishes for 10 more -
Bob

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net wrote:

Hello
Tooday is special day for me.
10 years ago, after speaking with my parents about my personal future, I
decided to try selling meteorites and maybe become a dealer one day. All
this years was very succesfull for me. I meet alot of meteorite friends,
visit many meteorite places and whats most importand I bay and sell many
many meteorites.
But begining was difficult as I dont have much money for meteorites. But
this was not the biggest problem at this
time. Poland was not part of EU, so every box was checked by customs. 
PayPal
for many years dont even have idea that there is such country like Poland. 
I
use Western Unuion BidPay check that was very difficult to exchange for 
real
money as noone in banks know what the hell is this. Many times I buy or 
sell

meteorite just for money sended in registered mails without any insurance.
This was funny past

Right now I celebrating Polandmet 10th anniversary. Thank You all who buy
meteorites from me. I hope I can do same job for next 10 years.

I prepared some old stuff on my page :)
My first Polandmet website from 2001/2002
http://www.polandmet.com/old_polandmet/index.htm
10 years of Polandmet - photos compilation
http://www.polandmet.com/+10years.htm

And ofcourse for the next 24h all purchases get 20% discount for 
everything

!

Hey, where is my champagne ??? :)

Have a nice monrning, day, evening, night !

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]




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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Michael,

It may have been the one I posted last week?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rev8vHjBq88

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
To: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video



Hi E.P. and All

Could you please send the link you are referring to, again ?
Not SL9 but the previous one.
Either I missed it or deleted it.
Thank you !

Michael B.



From: E.P. Grondine
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video


Hi all -

Thanks for the link - truly magnificent.

Now where to hell is the NASA video of the fragments of SL 9 hitting 
Jupiter?


Its only been 14 years now.

How incompetenet does Ed Weiler have to be before he gets fired?

E.P.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day John,

Very interesting article... thanks. It reminds me of a story I saw a while 
back. One of the things that is under-development for the return to the moon 
is a spray that can go onto just about anything. It's one of those 
remarkable developments where nature was used as the inspiration. They 
investigated the way water rolls off Lotus leaves and applied that idea to 
the spray. So much like water on a lotus leaf, lunar dust will fall off 
material coated with the spray. Cool stuff.


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net
To: 'Martin Altmann' altm...@meteorite-martin.de; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust



This dust seems like a problem
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15607792/

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Altmann
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:31 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust


Well, look what Slezak has here on his fingers! (photo courtesy: NASA).
That's what the big gooseberry season story is about.

http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?photoId=S69-40054

The Slezaktape story is well documented, publically known for decades
now. No idea, how one can speak then from smuggling or even black
market.


Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used


Well, in this case it's the simple question how long they have been
used.

Florian, who acquired the scotch tape, told, that when Slezak put the
strip of tape on the poster to remember in 1969/1970 no regulations
concerning the Apollo materials existed, the first ones came into effect
in August 1972.

If it's so - then: Newspaper had its story, attorney his publicity on
TV... and because Ex post facto, the widow should get her dust grains
back.

If it's not so, FBI has to throw Slezak and btw. Alan Bean, who used
lunar dust from his mission patches in his paintings into jail. Anyway,
these contaminated few single particles of dust, are compared to the
Apollo rocks research has at hand of no scientific interest.

Hence I think, that tax-money spent for that nuisance should have been
better spent for the acquisition of more samples of lunar meteorites for
NASA diversifying their lunar materials reservoir.


Ah here are some of Bean's paintings.
http://www.alanbean.com/available_originals.cfm

Hmm, they are quite bit more expensive than the tape-snippet...therefore
don't show them to the U.S. attorney's office in St.Louis!


When the Moon hits your eye
like a big pizza pie,

that's ammmooo.
Martin


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Grossman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011 01:37
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust

[This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect

any kind of official position by NASA]

If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read:

http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf

Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used at NASA, and
I'm pretty sure most official samples in the past have had paperwork
such as this accompanying them.  I don't know what kind of variability
of terms there have been in these agreements, but I'm confident that,
whatever they say, they are legally binding on the recipients who sign
them.

I don't understand why people would be surprised that material of any
value removed from a federal facility without permission might be
subject to scrutiny.  This sounds like theft to me, and doesn't seem to
require any special law pertaining to the specific material.  So, I
don't understand the comment about self-proclaimed laws.  Even if
there is no cover-up of the removal or subsequent sale, that does not
necessarily make it legal.  I think the legal issue might come down to
whether or not the remover had permission, either expressed or implied.

Jeff



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[meteorite-list] Important Message From the IMCA Board

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi everyone,

Last weekend the IMCA Board received an official complaint in regards to an 
IMCA member who sold three meteorite samples to two different IMCA members 
that were not what they were purported to be. This complaint included 
classification test results on these reported pieces that were confirmed by 
the Board with the highly reputable meteorite scientist who completed the 
testing.


The first sample tested was a small 4.06g stone sold as Ash Creek that came 
back as an equilibrated H-Chondrite and definitely not Ash Creek.


The second sample was a ~1.6g fragment sold as Zunhua. This specimen also 
returned results of an equilibrated H-Chondrite which do not match the 
current studies on the actual Zunhua meteorite. While the following cannot 
be considered conclusive, the classifying scientist of the fragment 
mentioned that the olivine and orthopyroxene compositions for the alleged 
Zunhua stone (as well as its physical appearance) are consistent with 
available information about stones from the Tamdakht (Morocco) fall.


The third sample was an iron slice sold as Deport that was clearly too 
coarse to be that.


To basically sum up, these three meteorites were sold as meteorites they 
were actually not. After receiving the complaint, we did some further 
investigation and approached the seller. We were not satisfied with his 
answer at all. On requesting a more substantial answer and provenance of the 
sold samples, the member resigned before we even had a chance to remove 
them. (The process for removal is in the ByLaws.)


However at the same time, this member assured me that they would make things 
right with the buyers and provide the documentation we requested. I have 
also been helping another non-member who made us aware of his problems this 
week with the same seller. I know his refund request was accepted by PayPal.


I think it is important that all collectors know who this person is that 
sold the misrepresented meteorites as they are a reasonably active seller on 
eBay. If you have purchased any of the above meteorites from this seller the 
potential is there for you to be affected too. The seller in question is:


John (Bryan) Scarborough - #6135
eBay User ID: quietstorm2476

I find it extremely disappointing as a Board member but even more so as a 
fellow member, that on trying to further communicate with this person a 
couple of days ago, I found their yahoo email account had been deleted. - 
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following 
addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work 
out. This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account.


The Board will of course still continue to attempt further communication 
with this individual and assist those affected buyers in any way we are 
able.


On a further note, it's important for us all to remember that it is our 
responsibility as collectors and temporary custodians of these 
extraterrestrial treasures to ensure proper curation and provenance history. 
This is ALL part of authenticity and whether mistakes are deliberate or 
happen by accident... well both have the exact same end result of 
misrepresented meteorites. There are people out there who watch very 
carefully and as one IMCA member put it very well this week, the meteorite 
community is very small and at some point all cheats are eventually caught.


While this has been a disappointing episode, I am not disillusioned. This is 
one member. There are nearly 400 now from around the world who do believe in 
the ideals of the IMCA. To put it in perspective, there are thousands and 
thousands of transactions performed with IMCA members every year that all go 
without a problem. This is a learning experience for us all and I'm sure in 
the long-term we can only grow from it.


Remember that IMCA Board members are always available for any questions or 
concerns you may have so please always feel free to approach us.


Sincerely,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


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[meteorite-list] NASA SDO - The June 7th Prominence Eruption

[Jeff Kuyken]

This really is an amazing must see video from NASA SDO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rev8vHjBq88

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au


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Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member

[Jeff Kuyken]

I'm sorry you seem to have issues with the IMCA Dan but if you have problems 
you could easily approach the association to report any concerns. I'm 
wondering if this has something to do with you being removed from the IMCA 
in the past and denied re-entry again last week? It would seem to me that 
the timing is ironic.


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com

To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS 
carelessIMCA member



O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me
the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and
several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew
for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of
NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA
member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it
was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical
error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i
ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram
piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a
refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that
is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and
one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the
transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i
sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of
mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23
grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and
mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the
right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is
not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after
i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me
the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he
stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it
did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical
errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of
things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person
is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected
somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give
his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any
problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest
mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite
related material for many years and I have never made such critical
errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double
check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen.
I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these
mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with
them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the
validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when
buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA
member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and
i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through
the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody
doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting
business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved
but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according
to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out
there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always
take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as
described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it
out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same
thing.
Daniel Furlan
collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Dan,

I'm not about to be dragged into a debate with you and do not have time to 
read another long-winded IMCA bashing email. As I told you, I was away for 
the month of May on a meteorite hunt at Whitecourt and travelling in the US 
with no access to usual email. Your application was handled in usual 
time-frames and other Board members tried to help in my absence. I even took 
the time to discuss your case with Anne in-person while I was in Denver! 
What else do you want? I have always given you nothing but total courtesy 
and plenty of my time in helping explain how to re-apply. Unfortunately you 
seem to see it differently and that is all I have to say on the issue.


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com

To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS 
carelessIMCA member



No jeff, the only coincidence is that you would respond to me now
after ignoring me for several weeks and multiple attempts in
contacting you who is the vice president of IMCA and you who are the
one who told me to re-apply when i approached IMCA to ask for my
membership back.. and since you want to bring up my personal business
in the forum why not explain why my IMCA membership was revoked to
begin with.. i refused to refund somebody a lost package and that was
my policy i stated in my listing 5 years ago that if iyou do not pay
for insurance i cannot be responsible for lost packages as it was
costing me too much money to refund every single person who claimed
they lost a package. This year in 2011 i emailed IMCA to ask if i can
have my memership back and you yourself said i can re-apply and  was
very helpful at first and told me i need to get 2 recoommendations. I
got 3 recommendations from Gary Fujihara, Jack Lacroix, and Brandon
Dunovant.. then when i asked to confirm if these recommendations came
in i got a response and then later i was completely ignored for
several weeks. Only after a few people contacted anne black in
regards to this matter did i get response o.k. so the intergrity of
IMCA is already in question in my mind. This issue i had with Bryan
Scarborough is 100% real and has nothing to do with me not getting my
membership and for you the vice president of IMCA to sit here and
accuse me of lying is ridiculous. I have all the emails from Bryan
Scarborough to prove this i have all the reciepts of the money i sent
him.. i have everything i need to make accusations... so because you
to ignored me for 3 weeks is the main reason why i did not bother
contacting you again about an IMCA member... i could care less about
the problems you have with your IMCA members selling fake items i just
want my money back. Anne Black the president of IMCA and your boss
also emailed all the IMCA members that she is aware of FAKE meteorites
being sold by various IMCA members one of which is Bryan Scarborough
who i had the misfortune of dealing with. You bringing up my IMCA
application in a public forum is inappropriate and i have zero respect
for you and for IMCA because you are the vice president of IMCA and
you felt the need to accuse me of lying and bring up my personal
business in public. You are trying to make me look bad when i have no
problem admitting i was removed from IMCA in 2005 for not refunding a
lost package i never once sold anything fake and i never once
misrepresented anything. I am currently operating under new business
policies that i am self insuring myself and i am paying for large
orders to be insured out of my own pocket. I would not have
re-applied to IMCA if you hadn't suggested i do so.. and to be frank
you with Jeff Kyuken i regret taking your advice because the level of
service and treatment i recieved from you and other board members was
less than standard and i have recieved better service from McDonalds.
You are aware of IMCA members who sell fake items several complaints
have been made about the legitimitacy of certain items being sold and
yet nothing has been done... I on the other hand refused to refund a
lost package and i lose my membership... how am i supposed to view
IMCA? put yourself in my shoes and especially now with the recent
dealings with Bryan Scarborough who is being investigated by private
members of the community who have quit IMCA  and want to clean up the
mess of fake items being sold on the market. So i take great offence
in being accused of making this up and if i wanted to bring up the
issue i have with IMCA in regards to being treated like a second class
citizen i would of done it regardless if i got ripped off by an IMCA
member or not.. but i have integrity a word that i would not use to
describe IMCA and some of its members.  I would like to apologize to
legitimate IMCA members out there as i know IMCA stands for something
great but since the Vice President of your organization wants to
accuse me of being a liar because 

Re: [meteorite-list] Jeff Kuyken Finds his First Meteorite

[Jeff Kuyken]

Thanks to everyone for the congrats both on and off list. Much appreciated. 
I'll be doing a full write-up with pics in the next couple of months.


This is a great post Brian. I actually found the antler in the first couple 
of days. Then Mike mentioned that he had found the same one the year before. 
And now you too! We were saying how it's now become the official Whitecourt 
community antler! ;-)


I actually took a pic of the find too: 
http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/whitecourt-antler.jpg


Ohhh... it's still there ready for the next hunters. Good thing too... 
quarantine/customs checked my bags with dogs when I came back to Aus! :-O


Cheers,

Jeff



- Original Message - 
From: bmoore bmo...@bigbangwidth.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:59 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Jeff Kuyken Finds his First Meteorite



Jeff, if you are still up there at Whitecourt there is a deer antler
(souvenir?)
to go along with your first find.
@ lat N 53 deg 59.917 min,  long W 115 deg 35.614 min.
Happy hunting.
-Brian Moore

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Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.

[Jeff Kuyken]

I have a stone from years ago that appears oriented but weathered. It was 
originally thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to pan out 
clearly. The problem was that the very qualified scientist could not say for 
sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like an Earth 
meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive and the budget 
didn't allow for it.


The thing is that the stone was even taken along to one of the Annual Met 
Society meetings and passed around to various people along with a couple of 
well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A couple suggested 
it is likely some sort of basalt but not one person could come up with any 
idea of where or how it formed. Basically they said to just wait and see if 
any other similar NWA's showed up over the years. I'm still waiting! ;-)


So yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the best.

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com

To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:47 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.





 To all,

 Are there any stones that have been found that are unable to be 
definitively identified as a meteorite?  In other words, are there stones 
(metal or stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine closely, 
and then just say, We just don't know?



 Greg L.
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Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Paul,

The second one is right for Huckitta. (Huck-i-tuh) Actually I have found 
that if you use Google Translate you will get a close approximation for 
most of the Aussie names. It can actually pull off Millbillillie believe it 
or not! ;-)


Just type the name in the first box, select the native language and hit the 
speaker icon.


http://translate.google.com/

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: valpar...@aol.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:54 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...


I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help 
is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names.


I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year:

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin

http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html

Paul Swartz


Agoult   (Morocco)

Begaa  (Morocco)

Brahin   (Belarus)

Djoumine   (Tunisia)

D'Orbigny   (Argentina)

Gao Guenie   (Burkina Faso)

Gujba   (Nigeria)

Huckitta   (Australia)   I've heard  hoo-KEET-ah  and  HUCK-i-tuh

Huaytiquina   (Argentina)

Isheyevo   (Russia)

Jackalsfontein   (South Africa)

Jalu   (Libya)

Juvinas   (France)

Kainsaz   (Russia)

Kapoeta   (Sudan)

L'aigle   (France)LAY-gluh   from a 3/13/10 post

Majuba 005   (Nevada)

Mbale   (Uganda)

Muonionalusta   (Sweden)

Orgueil   (France)   OR-gooey   from a 3/13/10 post

Oum Dreyga   (Western Sahara)

Pillistfer   (Estonia)

Pultusk   (Poland)

Quijingue   (Brazil)

Rupota (Tanzania)

Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman)

Sikhote-alin  (East Russia) 
http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin   (holy cow!)


Tatahouine   (Tunisia)

Tuxtuac (Mexico)

Uruacu   (Brazil)  HK told me   oor-ooh-ah-SOO
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Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?

[Jeff Kuyken]

I've recently studied up on Olivine Diogenites and Dunites and collated the 
info from all the papers I could find. So further to Jason's info below, I 
also found that a general rule of thumb is that Olivine Diogenites have an 
olivine content of 40% while Dunites have an olivine content of 90%.


Cheers,

Jeff


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From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com

To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?


Hello All,
A dunite is a type of ultramafic rock composed of olivine.  It is
associated with conditions/an origin in the (upper) mantle of a
differentiated body (not just Earth).  They form at greater depths
than one would find any significant amount of orthopyroxene, and are
composed primarily of olivine (which is a denser mineral).  Olivine
diogenites are technically dunites from 4-Vesta; Chassigny is a
Martian dunite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunite

Regards,
Jason



On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Greg Catterton
star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote:

Dunite is the Earth version of Tatahouine.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
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--- On Thu, 4/7/11, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
To:
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:31 AM

I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny.
Have dunites been identified from other sources?

Best!
Tracy Latimer


 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400
 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com
 To: fips_br...@yahoo.de
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from
Vesta?

 Hi Regine,

 All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in
origin - Howardite,
 Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :)

 Best regards,

 MikeG


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  Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites?
 
  Regine
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Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Tracy,

Yes, the meteorites that are actually called Dunites are believed to be 
from Vesta and represent a piece of the puzzle that had seemed to be missing 
from Vestan samples for years.


A very important find was made in the form of two NWA's... specifically NWA 
2968 (Dunite) and NWA 3329 (Diogenite). The amazing thing is that these two 
meteorites were found together with a few samples actually having both 
lithologies, thereby linking these Dunites with Diogenites and therefore 
strengthening the link with Vesta. Of course there is more to it than that 
but that's my basic understanding of it. Try these links for some 
interesting reading:


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2006/pdf/5252.pdf
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2010/pdf/5304.pdf

However, your point is also valid in regards to the Chassignites. The term 
dunite generally refers to an olivine-rich rock which Chassignites are and 
why they have been dubbed as Martian dunites in the past.


Cheers,

Jeff


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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?



I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny. Have dunites been 
identified from other sources?


Best!
Tracy Latimer



Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400
From: meteoritem...@gmail.com
To: fips_br...@yahoo.de
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?

Hi Regine,

All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite,
Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :)

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Sonny  all,

Everyone has raised some interesting points so far. I remember doing a bit 
of study on this a number of years ago and one thing I found that stood out 
was that in all the situations I looked at, when meteorites were found they 
were ALL within 50km of where a sonic boom was heard. Most less than ~25km. 
I don't know how true that is and if it works in every case but for the 
dozen or so I looked at, that was the case.


Some may also find my Sounds Associated with Witnessed Meteorite Falls 
page interesting. This list was put together by Bernd several years ago. 
Thanks again Bernd! ;-)


http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/sounds.html

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: wahlpe...@aol.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:34 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom



Hi List,

It seems like there have been many fireball sightings in the past few 
months but no material being found on the ground, as in the recent 
Oklahoma event. I was wondering if the absence of a sonic boom has 
anything to do with it.
Does a sonic boom or explosion have to be present for a major meteorite 
producing event? Could there still be a few meteorites on the ground with 
no sonic boom? With Buzzard Coulee, Mifflin, Ash Creek these events all 
produced meteorites and sonic booms were heard by the locals. Does anyone 
know if there were sonic booms associated with the Park Forest and 
Whetstone events?


Thanks,
Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] The Interest In Meteorites

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Mike, Brian, all,

Actually the EoM was built with future usage in mind and has unlimited 
bandwidth. We will not run out even with the Meteoritical Bulletin on-line 
database also using the photo files. There is also a lot more room for 
photos to be added too. These days hosting is actually quite cheap with the 
many different providers out there competing against each other.


It was a fair point that Mike raised about the multiple photos though. It's 
probably not really necessary to add several photos of the same piece unless 
it is something different or special.


For those that may may not have this shortcut, you can also use: 
http://eom.imca.cc.


Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


- Original Message - 
From: Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net

To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Interest In Meteorites



Hi Mike and list,

I really enjoyed reading what you had to say about the Encyclopedia of 
Meteorites Mike. It honestly makes sense about the number of photos taking 
up bandwidth and thanks to John also about bringing it up. I can't 
remember when anyone has mentioned about bandwidth usage on the site. I'm 
sure as you said that would be one heck of a large bill. There must be 
some guidelines or something that is being done to keep the bill within 
reason.


I'm glad it's still free and I'm sure they've thought about the number of 
photos, but at least there is interest in it and it's growing.


Thanks for discussion.

Brian
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System

[Jeff Kuyken]

Would there be as many people interested in science if NASA had never
so much as launched a rocket?


A very thought provoking question!

Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System



Let the data and knowledge speak for itself.

Voyager I  II
Apollo Missions
Space Shuttle Missions
Hubble (without which many of these missions would not have been possible
or even considered)
Spitzer
StarDust
Dawn
EPOXI
WISE
Spirit
Opportunity
Curiosity (coming soon to a planet near you)
Messenger
Hyabusa (not ours, but worth doing)
Kepler (perhaps the most important)

And many many more successful missions.

What else do they want? Come on... The government dropped $700+ Billion on
the banks and auto manufacturers... Why can't they spare $100 Billion for
the advancement and preservation of the human species?

What the advancement of the space program (which has a direct influence on
the advancement and survival of the human species) has achieved both
intrinsically, and scientifically is immeasurable in dollars. Knowledge is
priceless. It's also the most precious and valuable thing in the universe,
we should cherish it, where it came from, and how we gained it. More
advanced technology, more businesses, more scientists, and more money has
been pumped into the economy than can be accurately measured since the
beginning of the space program. A student today, who watches the Moon
landing on video for the first time may be motivated to study astronomy,
or become an astronaut themselves. They may join the military, become a
pilot, and perhaps fly a real space craft.

Humans are curious. We want to know. It's in our nature, it's what makes
us human.

Would there be as many people interested in science if NASA had never so
much as launched a rocket? Would there be as many astronomers and
scientific discoveries if Hubble never existed? The Hubble Deep Field is a
perfect example. 1,500 galaxies discovered. Then as if that weren't good
enough, another photo was taken, this time deeper into the blackness of
space. The Hubble Ultra Deep Field. One photograph 10,000 galaxies in a
section of space equal to only 1/1270th of the total area of sky. If
the whole sky was photographed and the same data holds true throughout,
that's 127 Billion galaxies in the visible/observable universe. And that's
not to say there's not more, considering that's at the limits of current
technological possibility. If we could see further, would we see more
galaxies? Yeah, I'd say that's a safe bet.

The economical effects may not be measurable. What is the effects of the
money that's injected back into the economy by those entrepreneurs that
were inspired to start a new business or create a new technology based on
what they learned through the space program?  If we never had the space
program would we have the technological advancement we have today? Would
there be as many scientists advancing human knowledge at an ever growing
exponential rate?

Regards,
Eric



On 3/19/2011 12:47 AM, Greg Hupe wrote:

A successful round-about mission around Mercury by NASA would 'hopefully'
PROVE a few of our bucks is worth the 'Investment'!!!

Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
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gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
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-Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:26 AM
To: Meteorite List ; Sterling K. Webb
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System

Sterling

A Golden Age INDEED!

A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career
over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines.

I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary
Science through the 70s  80s and that I had missed it. He immediately
responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future
was more exciting still.

I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an
incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately
one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major
missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this
list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration
is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to
make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list.

Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones
putting this Golden Age at risk...

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wavein1992?

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Mike, Chris, List,

Personally I think Chris hit the nail on the head when he said But 
realistically, a 10 meter object that was moving at hypervelocity all the 
way to the sea, and near shore, would have produced a massive fireball, 
rivaling the Sun, would have left a long lasting dust debris train, and 
would have been witnessed by thousands of people.


I'd assume that a large event like that would have also shown up all all 
sorts of monitoring points from satellites and/or radar to seismic stations 
too.


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com

To: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue 
Wavein1992?




Hi Chris and List,

I agree.  As the eyewitness account reads, it's impossible for such an
object to create a large wave.  However, if the account was in error
about the size of the object, then perhaps it becomes a little more
possible.

What about the velocity of the object?  Let us suppose that it
retained a good bit of it's cosmic velocity when it struck the water.
Would an object about 10-30 feet in diameter, travelling at a high
rate of speed (say, 1km per second), generate a large wave?  I would
think that the speed at impact would play a role in the effects once
it hit the water.

I think the underwater landslide theory is more plausible.  I was just
surprised to see an account about a meteorite in this story.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 3/15/11, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote:

A meteorite that was 1-3 meters across would make a splash, that's all. A
couple of hundred meters away and there'd be virtually no energy left.
There's almost no possibility of such an object creating a wave like the 
one

you describe (a tsunami, not a rogue wave).

Chris

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- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wave
in1992?



Hi List,

All of this talk about the tsunami in Japan reminded me of an event
that happened here in Florida in 1992, that may have a meteorite
connection.

On July 3rd, 1992, a 20-foot rogue wave appeared out of nowhere (calm
weather) and washed ashore on Daytona Beach, damaging many vehicles
parked along the beach and causing scores of minor injuries -
thankfully there were no fatalities.  This event was big news down
here at the time, but has since faded into obscurity.

I did some digging on the event, to satisfy my own curiosity and I
came across an account that includes a possible meteorite fall.

Here is a quote from an eyewitness who was a boater that was offshore
at the time -

...the boater came forward with the information that, shortly before
the time of the wave, he was in his boat about eight miles offshore.
He watched as a distant object approached across the sky toward the
ocean at a high rate of speed, and crossed the bow of his boat at an
angle with a whoosh (his word). Shortly after, a giant swell made
his 41-foot sailboat handle like a large surfboard. Various news
sources state that the meteorite, as it is now being called, was
anywhere from a meter to 10 feet across. The boater who wished to
remain anonymous, gave the professors enough information so that they
are hoping that the Navy will retrieve the object, which is presumed
to be lying in about 70 feet of water off the Daytona Beach coastline,
with plenty of coordinates for locating it.

(source : http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf084/sf084g12.htm )

Does anyone remember this meteorite event?  And, did anyone look for
the object?  I know 70-feet of water is not exactly prime
meteorite-hunting territory, but one has to wonder what happened, in
light of the eyewitness account.

Best regards,

MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Richard  all,

I've been watching Murchison pretty carefully over the last 12-24mths. There 
has been a somewhat steep incline in price that I believe is probably mainly 
due to the amount of media attention it has received during that time. 
Personally I think it's over-priced and I would not expect the price to stay 
there. eBay auctions often go unsold (probably because the prices are too 
high) and most pieces do seem to be under 2g.


But all that said, if anyone wants any Murchison stones for the current 
prices of $150-$200/g just let me know. There are several stones available 
over here from 10-80g.


Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc



- Original Message - 
From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:36 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???


Recently some of us had a discussion on Facebook about how rare Murchison 
seems to be. Rarely do you see as much as a gram available.


The Heritage Auction has a huge Murchison, 535.9g individual
(http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6061Lot_No=49046)

Maybe I've missed them, or not privy to their availability, but where is 
all the Murchison between a gram and and this largest individual?


Anyone?

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[meteorite-list] Are chondrules more resistant to shock?

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

I have a few shocked chondrites where dark areas of shock and/or melt seem 
to have whole chondrules enclosed. Does anyone know if chondrules are 
actually more resistant to shock than general matrix material or has anyone 
come across a paper mentioning this?


Thanks,

Jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Richard, Greg and all,

I've got more than a few of those old handwritten paper ones Greg... does 
that mean I'm getting old?! ;-)


Like Greg and probably most of us, I also evolved my cards over the first 
few years of collecting. The cards I use now are actually business cards 
from VistaPrint (www.vistaprint.com). They are sturdy and you can customise 
them how you want. They're also very cheap (or often even free) with a few 
dollars for shipping. I've printed onto them before but usually handwrite 
them now as I don't have to do a lot like a dealer and I also like the old 
personal touch of handwriting too. If you scroll to the bottom of this page, 
there is an example along with a few other cards maintaining the provenance 
for this piece:


http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/watson.html

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION



Hi Richard M.,

Great question, I appreciate you asking but it is not necessary. If you 
buy an item from us or anyone and it comes with an ID card, I would say 
you can certainly say it is from whatever collection, museum or otherwise 
that it came from. We used to hand write most of the info on the ID's back 
in the day. If you have any of the white paper ones, that is getting real 
old school as far as our ID's go. We went to the more rigid parchment 
stock several years ago. Seems ID cards are an ever-evolving process for 
us.


Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Montgomery

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:38 PM
To: Greg Hupe ; Richard Kowalski ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION

List, I've always wondered if it were proper to offer provenence display
cards in ebay listings.  For instance, Greg and others, I've purchased a
duplicate specimens from you over the past number of years, since someday
when the necessity calls, I'll be able to sell one and keep the other for 
my
collection. Can one say it's from the Hupe collection for example? 
I've

felt that it is proper to ask first.  What's proper?

Also, reflecting on hand-written cards...I love them!


- Original Message - 
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net

To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION



Hello Everyone!

I always like the ID Card discussions over the years. I agree with those 
who like different styles of cards from the different 'personalities' of 
collectors and dealers. In fact, I use two different styles which are 
different in size as well. I use glossy business card stock for planetary 
and extremely rare types for a color ID card, and then I use just black 
ink on tan parchment stock for all other types. Since I have two 
different ID card styles, does that mean I have a split 'personality'?... 
probably!! ;-)


Hope everyone has a great weekend!!

Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Kowalski

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:32 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION

Hey all,

As one who recently needed to come up with a design, I'm more of the 
opinion that cards reflect the personality of the person who produced it.


I had gone through Sergey's pages some time ago. Thanks Anne for posting 
the link.


For my own cards I went through the collection of cards I have 
accumulated building my own collection, picking out the four or five that 
had the features and details I wanted. Unfortunately none matched exactly 
the look I wanted. I put together what I wanted in Photoshop, but almost 
any graphics program would work just as well.


A common card might be nice for those that don't have the time or need to 
generate custom cards.


I do like the variety of cards. Each one reminds me of the dealer 
themselves. I'd go so far as to say the cards themselves are collectible 
too.


One last thing, Avery, the company that makes office supplies has 
software to help design (business) cards and has an online tool to assist 
in this too. Once on their site, http://www.avery.com follow the template 
and software advisor link on the left to find their various tools.



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Re: [meteorite-list] News confirmed - NASA landed on VESTA !

[Jeff Kuyken]

My *guess* is that it is probably more stones of the Eucrite-IMB that has 
been floating around for the last couple of years or so which also tend to 
be small stones. There may be more than one type of Eucrite-IMB out there 
though. Maybe those who have had similar material classified could chime in 
but I would say it needs classification to be sure though.


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: cdtuc...@cox.net
To: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net; meteoritelist 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] News confirmed - NASA landed on VESTA !



Marcin, list,
That is really a cool meteorite.  I have a few questions if you don't 
mind?

What is the black portion? Is it Basalt or Impact melt material???
How do you classify a meteorite with two distinct lithologies like that?
It seems to me it should have broken apart and separated at that point 
where they connect.
And if they had separated what would you call or classify the black 
portion as?

Is there any Scientific info or chemistry on this yet.
Thanks,
Carl
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 Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net wrote:

HOT NEWS !!

I found that NASA landed on Vesta !!!

http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/vesta.jpg







and now more seriously...
Main mass of my new shocked eucrite. Total more than 100 specimens bean
size. Classification pending :D
http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/vesta1.jpg
http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/vesta2.jpg
http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/vesta3.jpg

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http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]


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[meteorite-list] Starless planets may be habitable after all

[Jeff Kuyken]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20928005.200-starless-planets-may-be-habitable-after-all.html

Starless planets may be habitable after all.
20 February 2011

LIQUID water may survive on free-floating planets that have no star to warm 
them. If they also support life, they could act as stepping stones to spread 
life around the galaxy.


Gravitational tussles with other planets or passing stars can eject planets 
from their solar systems. But even in the cold of space, these wayward 
worlds could stay warm, thanks to the decay of radioactive elements in their 
rocky cores.


Dorian Abbot and Eric Switzer of the University of Chicago calculate that 
rocky planets with a similar mass to Earth could remain warm enough to keep 
water liquid under thick, insulating ice sheets for over a billion years. A 
planet with the same fraction of water as Earth could keep a subsurface 
ocean liquid if it was 3.5 times Earth's mass. But a planet with 10 times 
Earth's water concentration could do this if it weighed just one-third as 
much as Earth, they say (arxiv.org/abs/1102.1108).


It's a really interesting idea, says Lisa Kaltenegger of the 
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. But we would have to land on 
[a planet] and burrow down to see if life is possible.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Udei Station vs. NWA 4024 winonaite types

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day Mike,

I asked this very same question about a year ago and got some very good 
replies. Here are some of them:


http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/062685.html
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/062688.html
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/062729.html
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/062736.html

Bernd summarised with the following:

It is likely that the winonaites cooled faster than the silicates in IAB 
irons,

which may have been more deeply buried. This is supported by the metallo-
graphic cooling rates of Winona, 200°C/Myr, and IAB irons, 10-50°C/Myr.

So, maybe these metallographic cooling rates can help make a clear(er)
distinction between the two: Silicated IAB's and winonaites.

Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


- Original Message - 
From: tett t...@rogers.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:39 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Udei Station vs. NWA4024 winonaite types



List,

When stumbling across an ad for NWA4024 I saw pictures of the meteorite 
and immediately thought how similar it looks to Udei Station.  Comparing 
the pics of NWA4024 and my slices of Udei Station reveal very similar 
compositions.  However, NWA4024 is classiifed as a winonite where as Udei 
Station is classified as an IAB iron.


Further research shows that it is likely Udei Station and other IAB irons 
along with Winonites come from the same parent body.   My question is, 
what is the dividing line between Winonites and IAB's?  How does one 
decide which group the meteorite should fall?  Is it %Fe?


Thanks for any help and

Cheers!

Mike Tettenborn
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Re: [meteorite-list] Customs holding packages

[Jeff Kuyken]

I would be a little careful about using 7103.10.00.00. This is actually 
reserved for precious stones (other than diamonds - code is 7102) that are 
unworked/simply sawn/roughly shaped/not mounted. It might actually have the 
opposite effect and draw attention to your otherwise ugly old brown rocks! 
;-)


You'll find it below. Australia and a few other countries I checked are 
identical.


http://www.usitc.gov/publications/docs/tata/hts/bychapter/1100C71.pdf

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net

To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] RE- Customs holding packages



Brian Schroeder, Warren and all you other blokes!! ;-)

Brian, Thanks for sharing the info about the  NATURAL MINERAL SPECIMEN HC 
# 7103.10.00.00  Harmonized code. I remember you telling us about this a 
couple of years ago or maybe longer, and when you mentioned that you'd 
been working in shipping it rang a bell. Thanks again for this code. I've 
now saved a file and printed it for future use.


It's very much appreciated by me and all the others I'm sure.

Warren and Gary, on the issue of you at first hand printing the customs 
form, which I normally have done in the past and then changing to the ebay 
printed format, did the printed ebay format have some errors on it or is 
it just too difficult for customs agents or shipping agents to understand? 
I gathered that there was something wrong with the ebay new format on 
their form, but you didn't mention exactly what it was or perhaps my old 
brain being filled with useless info could not decipher what you said. Let 
us all know.


Hope things work out, and yes, I'm sure the Brits and everyone will be 
much happier with you. It has amazed me over the past few years that where 
a few years ago so many meteorites sold by U.S. collectors were only being 
sold to other U.S. dealers and collectors to now where there is much more 
of an international group that is buying from the U.S. We're not only all 
over the universe out in space, but International as well ;-)


Have a wonderful, happy and safe day filled with cloud free skys and may a 
meteorite land in your yard today!


Brian Cox
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Re: [meteorite-list] Help Self Classify Pair my new stone

[Jeff Kuyken]

I would tend to lean towards what Bernd has suggested. I'd be very suprised 
to see this come back as an H-chondrite. I would hazard a guess at a Type-5 
and likely an LL. (There does not appear to be any shock indicators you 
would often see in an L.) These are just wild guesses making huge 
assumptions from one pic though so it really could be anything. Well... 
almost! ;-)


Cheers,

Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help Self Classify  Pair my new stone



Richard wrote:

letting me know your thoughts on its classification
and suggestions on what other stones it looks like.

Hmmm, ... somehow reminds me of NWA 806 (LL4) with
its grayish chondrules and its orange-colored matrix.

How strongly is it attracted to a magnet
and what's the average chondrule size?

Cheers,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere

[Jeff Kuyken]

It's been quite a few years since I've looked up close at this piece but 
here's a Ureilite with something similar.


http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2624.html

Cheers,

Jeff


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To: cdtuc...@cox.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; 
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere


Hi List.  (Sorry if this is a duplicate post.)  I have the remnants of a 
550gr Brahin slice that definitely has bubbles in the olivine in a few 
spots.  Any comments?



- Original Message - 
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To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere



Martin,List,
Interesting that you mention bubbles in Maskelynite.
I have a great picture taken by Tom Phillips of an amazing River Of 
Maskelynite With Bubbles
Although this is from an unclassified meteorite it does check out pretty 
well both visually in thin section but, the chemistry is also correct for 
either a Lunar or a Martian meteorite,

I'm sure Blain won't mind me mentioning that;
At this Tucson Gem Show  Blain Reed has acquired an amazing piece of 
hardware.
It is called an XRF for X-ray Florescence. This is a hand held portable 
gun like instrument that when held up to the rock gives you an average of 
the chemistry it sniffs out of the rock.
Blain was kind enough to use this machine  to collect reading from known 
Lunar rocks in his collection (this way he knows they are in fact 
Lunar's) With this info he can compare the Known data with new 
Candidates. This for a small fee and it only takes about a minute. 
AMAZING . Blain rocks.
In this way he has determined that this rock I show here with the river 
Of Maskelynite and Bubbles has a very good chance at being either Lunar 
of Martian. Apparently they are quite similar in this way.

Although, The Numbers are dead on Lunar for this one. .
Not only are the bulk amounts correct but so, are the Ratios. Especially 
the Fe/ Mn and so forth.

Please see the attached pics and share your opinion.
Any Scientists out there want to take a look?
I also have another that Tom Phillips photographed that also checks out 
both Chemically and petrographically as Lunar or Martian  but, with no 
visible river yet? It looks like mostly Olivine? But this ones Fe/Mn is 
definitely in the Martian Range. Very Cool.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030472@N07/?saved=1

Any and all comments welcome.
Email for more pics.
Best regards,
Carl
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote:

Hi Walter,

only a remark...   for not being the same thing like with the ominous 
purple

halite-crystals containing liquid water in Zag,
which are described in literature - but so far noone of the 
collectors

ever found one in any of their 175kgs of slices...  :-)

Those inclusions in the Martian shock glasses - you can really have them 
as

a collector too!!

The fresh-shergottite-series - NWA 2975/2986/4766 seq..
there the maskelynite is still so fresh, that it is translucent.
So it's possible without special equipment and special preparation to 
spot

these inclusions in the maskelynite with a simple microscope under low
magnification in cut surfaces.

And you know what? Here and there these maskelynite patches contain 
little

bubbles!

A while ago a collector loaded up a photo he made from such a bubble out 
of

that NWA-series in the German forum.

Fascinating isn't it?

So, dear collectors, I'm sure many of you have samples form that 
Martian,

let's hunt for bubbles!


Best!
Martin

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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Walter

Branch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2011 04:31
An: MeteorList
Betreff: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere

Hello Everyone,

I feel like an idiot.

I know that trapped atmospheric gases have been found in some martian
meteorites but for some unexplained reason, I had always thought that 
the
gases had been incorporated in the rock at the time of formation. I 
always
wondered how gases from the martian atmosphere could have been trapped 
in a
rock at the time it formed, particularly an igneous rock in an 
underground

magma chamber.

Well, thanks to William Cassidy, the man who founded ANSMET, I now 
realize
my assumption was wrong. Cassidy makes it clear that gasses became 
trapped
in martian rocks at the time of the impact which launched the rock from 
the
surface. The rather lengthy quote below is from Cassidy's book 
Meteorites,

Ice and Antarctica an excellent book (see more after the quote).

From pages 119-121

EETA 79001 was an important find for another reason. It contained 

Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Richard,

I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking 
if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite...


Maybe this will help:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/almahbas.html

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net; Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; 
Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios


A long while ago, before I had a clue who Dr. Ted Bunch was, I was given 
his name and contacted him with a question about a rock whose interior I 
thought (at the time) resembled LA001 and would he be interested in seeing 
it? Sure.  Of course I sent it off, and being a newbe I had huge hopes, 
and of course it was terrestrial...but the great part was that TB gave it 
attention, and I am honored. (I since know with whom I was 
corresponding...thanks Dr. Ted for looking; you have my utmost respect.)


I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking 
if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite...a testament to why 
serious meteoriticist scientist shouldn't be bothered with trivia [sorry 
Ted:)]...


Please, no clones.  One is plenty

Richard Montgomery



- Original Message - 
From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net
To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee 
steve.dunk...@yahoo.com

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios



Thanks guys - I love rocks and will look at anything that is outside of
anyone's pants.

Watch it Darryl, a cloning procedure is underway and a TB clone may come 
and

live with you all!

Ted


On 2/7/11 10:29 AM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:




friendly?

could there betwo ted bunches out there?!!  two steve arnoldsnow 
two

ted bunches?!

gary, i second carl's sentiment below.  you are indeed a charming, 
lovely

fellow who brightened my days as well.*

all best / darryl


*as does the tbear  ;-)



On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote:

IMHO Ted Bunch is always friendly. If you ask him an honest question he 
will
go out of his way to give you an answere along with references. He has 
so
little time I think it kind of pisses him off if you waste it. Worse 
thing
you can ask him is look at my rock he must get hundreds of look at my 
rock
questions a month. If you ask him about a type of rock and where to 
learn

more he will go out of his way to help you learn. In my opinion thats
friendly! Cheers Steve Dunklee

On Mon Feb 7th, 2011 11:16 AM EST cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:


Gary,
It is you that brightened ALL of our days. Just yesterday a few of us 
were
talking about how you fill every room you enter with such positive 
energy

and joy. .
It was GREAT to see you and look forward to getting more of your 
positive

energy in the future.
You and many others ( too many to list) helped make this  my favorite 
show

of all time. Every body was SUPER.
Even Ted Bunch was friendly! Ha Ha. That's how good a show this is. 
(still a

week to go).
Aloha,
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote:
While enjoying the ambience of LAX, I am reflecting on the great 
times I
had again this year in Tucson.  Great friends, great food, great 
drink,

great rocks, great googlymoogly!

Mahalo nui loa to all my brothers and sisters who have opened their 
hearts

to this simple island boy with unbridled aloha.  Till next year (and
possibly Ensisheim and Denver), a hui hou!

Sent from Gary's iPhone
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Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE FEED - Now Streaming

[Jeff Kuyken]

I would like to say a huge thank you to Ruben and those who helped him! It 
was fantastic to be given a great view of the auction throughout the night! 
Awesome work!


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 1:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] LIVE FEED - Now Streaming



HI

We are now live but having internet troubleskeep your fingers crossed!

go here to see/hear and chat!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm

--
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

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Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction

[Jeff Kuyken]

Here's some food for thought... live on-line absentee bidding in next years 
auction! ;-)


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com

To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction


Working on it now.

Will see if this is as easy as the site says it is...

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com 
wrote:

You could try Ustream. http://www.ustream.tv/ There's even a live chat
feature too! ;) You don't need a website.

Can't find how to stream direct to Youtube. Is this possible?

Eric



On 1/22/2011 3:44 PM, Michael Blood wrote:


Hi All,
Live feed would be terrific and I will have it ready
To go next year. I was contacted off list by a member who may want
anonymity And I checked out Utube on how to live stream
Video to net.
Three things needed:
1) Quality viedo camera and mike (I HAVE)
2) Quality Tripod (I HAVE)
3) Quality (high speed) laptop with internet connection
(I do NOT have at this time)
4) Free website sign up (I do NOT personally have time right now)
5) Do a few practice runs (ibid)

If anyone on the list has a high speed laptop with
Internet connect capability AND is willing to do this, I
Would make it worth your time - which is all that is required
If you have the above (I have the camera and a macho tripod
video camera if you don't) - please contact me off list to discuss
possibility of doing it this year.
RSVP
Thanks, Michael


On 1/22/11 2:58 PM, Richard Kowalskidamoc...@yahoo.com wrote:




Sounds like the Auction should have a Facebook page, both to promote the
auction and for people to post text, pictures and video clips right from
their
phones. Probably the easiest way to do this with the lowest need to
provide
infrastructure.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081



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[meteorite-list] ALH 84001 Image Required

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

Does anyone have or know where I may be able to get a clear, high res NASA 
image of a cut surface of ALH 84001? I have a couple from the NASA website 
but I was hoping for something a little larger and clearer. If possible I 
need something that would display maybe a 5-10cm field of view of the cut 
surface. Any help would be appreciated.


Thanks,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


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Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction??? Please?

[Jeff Kuyken]

It is a great idea. If my memory serves me right I think it was Gary 
Fujihara who was keeping us updated during the auction via FaceBook last 
year. It was very interesting for those of us who could not be there in 
person so the idea certainly has merit.


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; meteoritem...@gmail.com; 
mlbl...@cox.net

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Exciting prospect - and LIVE video feed ofthe 
auction??? Please?




That is a great idea.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


-Original Message-

From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
Sent: Jan 20, 2011 5:50 PM
To: meteoritem...@gmail.com, mlbl...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Exciting prospect - and LIVE video feed of the 
auction??? Please?


MikeG, Michael and  Listers,

I think it would be a great idea to broadcast the auction via the 
internet. All Michael would need is a yahoo, AOL, or Skye account and a 
computer with a cam and a mic and there you go. He could broadcast that 
and then put out a post on the screen name and when people wanted to view 
the video, all someone has to do is allow that user to see the video. This 
is a great idea MikeG and hope Michael or someone else would be able to do 
this at the auction. For I wont be going to the Gem show and I think 
auctions are the best to watch and bid on. I know I would be watching for 
sure if someone sets this up and I think alot of other Listers too. Or the 
live feed could even come from someones website if they have the ability 
to do that. Lets hope someone can do this :)


Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBaystore
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html



[meteorite-list] Exciting prospect - and video feed of the auction?
Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritemike at gmail.com
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Hi Michael, Greg and List,

Great idea on the mystery box. I love it. :)

It reminds me of the episode of Family Guy where Peter is offered his
choice of a free boat or the mystery box. And Peter chooses the
Mystery Box while stating - the boat is a boat, but the mystery box
could be anything, even a boat!

I bet this box has something better than tickets to Improv inside. ;)

BTW - Michael, does the auction venue have Wi-Fi or internet access?
I bet many people would enjoy watching a live video feed of the
auction or perhaps some live snippets of the action, interviews, etc.
Would it be possible to set up a streaming video feed on a laptop or
smartphone and broadcast this feed live to the internet?

Best regards,

MikeG

-- 
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Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
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On 1/20/11, Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net wrote:


Hi all,



Greg Hupe has generously prepared the following surprise for the



lucky winner - giving the proceeds to the IMCA - making the bidding even



More meaningful. Furthermore, immediately following the winning bid,


The Mystery Box will be opened (even the most skeptical can be sure 
Greg



would not be short sticking anyone in a public forum) See the following:







Lot 87 IMCA 1 via Greg Hupe







Mystery Meteorite Auction







* 7 different classified meteorites in Riker boxes







* 3 Chondrites







* 4 Achondrites, 1 being Planetary.







* Minimum Value (at today's prices) = $777.00







* Proceeds go to the IMCA.







** Prepared  Donated by Greg Hupe' - The Hupe' Collection







Box Will Be Opened  Contents Announced Immediately At Winning Bid







NO MINIMUM







See photo of box (It ain't small, folks) at:







http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson11.html















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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101-Bolide

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Elton  all,

It's funny but I've always been under the same impression as Elton in 
regards to the term bolide. I'm not sure why though! Basically I've always 
believed the following to be an approximate summary:


Meteor - basically a generic term for all meteors and associated light 
phenomena.
Fireball - exceptionally large and bright meteor at least as bright as 
Venus (i.e. -3 to -4 mag). Disintegrating body / sparks etc is still 
possible with a fireball.

Bolide - basically a Fireball PLUS an audible report.

I believe the term bolide originally stems from the Latin term bolis which 
roughly translates to a very large fiery meteor with some sources also 
referencing the associated audible phenomena. The earliest published 
reference I found online for bolis was Webster's Revised Unabridged 
Dictionary (1913) (n.) A meteor or brilliant shooting star, followed by a 
train of light or sparks; esp. one which explodes.


I guess there are many variations and opinions. For the most part... they're 
probably all pretty much correct.


Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com
To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; metlist 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101-Bolide



We differ some Mark, in that a bolide is not just a fireball showing
framentation-- such as we saw in the Peekskill fireball.  IMO, 
historically and
by traditional use: a bolide is not just a simple fragmentation but an 
explosive
rupture which occurs at the practical end of incandescent flight--Like an 
upside
down bottle rocket.  Perhaps, it is somewhat subjective, and while it may 
occur

out of ear shod, the explosive expansion part has a distinct sound/report
different from a sonic boom.  The term was adapted possibly from a 
discussion of
military rocketry into early descriptions of meteor fireballs which 
exploded.


Perhaps it is just me but I subscribe to these characteristics of a bolide
because it describes a specific combination of conditions. The audible 
report

component is most always associated with the early literature accounts
describing a fireball as a bolide.  In my bolide theory I believe there is 
an
envelope of stress/shear as the meteoroid is undergoing, being 
dramatically

slowed by the atmosphere. If the envelope is not violated the meator may
fragment but it does not do so explosively.  Around 5 miles above sea 
level the

meteoroid encounters the boundary of that momentum /shear envelope which
reflects maximum aerodynamic pressure at which the meteoroid can retain
integrity.   This transition is so abrupt for the meteoroid, that it 
literally
shears along molecular bonds releasing a fair amount of heat and possibly 
rapid

oxidation of iron particles, etc.


Elton



- Original Message 

From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 12:11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101-Bolide

Hi all,
I have understood from my study that a bolide refers to a meteor that 
breaks

up

- not requiring the detection of an audible report because, if  observed 
from a


distance, the sound may not be heard.  It is not a bright  meteor or 
fireball

or

large impactor, but simply a meteor that breaks up.   Right or wrong, 
that's

the

way I've been using the term when I report seeing  one on the list.  Has
anybody

else been using it that way?  I've been lucky  to have seen several dozen 
over



the years (often colorful), but none up  close like Elton (yet!).

I would agree that the IAU should come up with a  definition because the
term has

come to mean too many things and its use  is not going to go away any 
time

soon.

In fact with the current explosion  of public interest (no pun intended), 
more



people are going to find the term  and grab onto it.

See you all soon!
Mark B.
Vail,  AZ

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Re: [meteorite-list] 2010 Quadrantids Meteor Photo

[Jeff Kuyken]

That's a great image Mike and the animated image of the smoke trail is 
fantastic too. I've never seen anything like that done before.


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
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To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Global Meteor 
Observing Forum meteor...@meteorobs.org

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:13 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 Quadrantids Meteor Photo



With no moon and almost no clouds, we had a pretty awesome night for
the peak of the Quadrantids.

Inspired by Pierre Martin's Geminid photos, I decided to mount the
DSLR and fisheye lens atop my CGEM and take some piggy backs. I shot
25 second ISO 800 exposures from 8:00 PM to 6:00 AM EST. I only
captured one meteor the whole night, but it was a good one.

The meteor left behind a smoke trail that I photographed for 20+
consecutive shots, that's almost 10 minutes. I think this may have
been a small fireball.

I made an animated gif showing the meteor and the smoke trail that
dissipated afterward. You can see it here.

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/2010-quadrantids-meteor-shower/

Thanks,

Mike Hankey
Freeland MD
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Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Asian falls

[Jeff Kuyken]

logic would lead us to conclude that prohibitive export laws are not the 
culprit.


My personal belief is that this is correct. Export laws can work and Canada 
is an example of that. The problem here is not the federal export laws but 
the individual state laws (W.A., S.A.  N.T. in particular) which grant 
ownership of any meteorites to the state. Basically it seems that people 
finding new material now just don't report it as they will not be able to 
keep it. Get rid of those laws and I guarantee the official find rate will 
steadily rise.


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com

To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Asian falls


Martin, All,
I would like to point out that the law prohibiting the approved export
of meteorites from Australia, the Protection of Movable Cultural
Heritage Act, was passed in 1986.

309 meteorites have been recovered, analyzed, and officially published
in Australia since then, not including the relict iron recently found.

Breaking statistics up by date alone can lead to deceiving
conclusions.  Most of the meteorites found in Australia in the past
thirty years were found between 1990 and 1994, several years after the
prohibitive laws had been passed.

So, yes, it's true that relatively few meteorites have been found in
Australia in the past decade.  But no new laws were introduced around
the year 2000, so logic would lead us to conclude that prohibitive
export laws are not the culprit.

Why, then, did rates fall so dramatically?  I'm not sure.

I'm guessing it was the influx of Saharan and NWA meteorites that
caused market prices to bottom out.  All of a sudden, a CK4 like
Maralinga wasn't worth untold hundreds per gram.  Stones like Camel
Donga and Millbillillie have dropped to thirty or so percent of what
they used to sell for -- and ordinary chondrites like Hamilton, Cook
007 and others now sell on ebay for cents per gram, instead of the few
dollars or so they fetched ten or more years ago.

And the subsistence wage in Australia is considerably higher than in
Morocco (it takes more money to live above the poverty line).  So
while someone in Morocco might be able to live reasonably well if they
sell their stones for a few cents per gram, the same is likely not
true for someone in Australia.

That's my best guess, anyways.  If you go through the Meteoritical
Bulletin, you'll notice that very few, if any, of the meteorites were
actually found by meteorite dealers; they were found by Aussies, and
they were found well after the passing of the 1986 law.

Regards,
Jason




On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Martin Altmann
altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote:

Because I'm very content with Canada.

They learned from the Tagish Lake debacle.
And eased afterwards the strictest interpretation, their laws allowed in
practice.
With better results following.
Buzzard Coulee got therefore a much higher tkw and a better availability 
for

everyone, institutions and private collectors;
you saw how suddenly new masses of Springwater were found;
or remember that crater building iron - I forgot the name.

Never the right of ownership was challenged by Canadian laws, but only 
what

finders could do with their property, in past leading to such bizarre
situations, that the owner of the second St-Robert stone, desperately 
wanted

to sell, but was not able to do so, because no Canadian institute was
interested in, although he asked not more the Canadian survey had paid for
the 1st stone, but on the other hand, wasn't allowed to sell it outside of
Canada - a legally more than unsatisfying situation.

Meanwhile Canadian institutes allow export clearance for all stones, they
don't need.
O.k. it's somewhat uncomfortable and takes time, but it is fair.
They pay very fair prices for Canadian finds, if they decide to acquire
them. (not anymore that funny reward proposed on radio: 100$ per stone 
found

of Tagish Lake ;-).

And you don't have to forget, that in contrast to such countries with
prohibition like Algeria, Poland, Argentina with all in all no scientific
interest in meteorites, or countries with constitutionally more than
problematic laws like Australia and so on,
the Canadians maintain a real good meteorite science and a vivid
institutional collecting,
of course also including the important hot desert finds.

So all in all, Canada would be a very good example (unfortunately so far 
the

ooonly example) for meteoricists like e.g. Bevan, suffering under the
unreasonable legislation of their countries, how it could be done better.

Best!
Martin



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Re: [meteorite-list] Ram pressure question

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Patrick,

This may help:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/myths.html

Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Wiggins p...@wirelessbeehive.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ram pressure question



Hi all,

Could someone please explain what ram pressure is?

Has it got something to do with when air is compressed it heats up so when 
a meteor passes through the atmosphere it compresses the air in front of 
it causing the air's temperature to rise and it's that heat that ablates 
all but the very small meteors?


Many thanks,

patrick
N Utah USA

On 23 Nov 2010, at 15:03, Chris Peterson wrote:

Heating is due to ram pressure for bodies larger than a few millimeters. 
For very small particles, ram pressure is not a factor because of the 
large distance between air molecules compared with the cross-sectional 
area. These small particles do heat up as the result of collisions with 
molecules, in a process that is analogous to friction.


In other words, for all bodies that produce meteorites, frictional 
heating effects are insignificant.


Chris

*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum 
joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:22 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Temperature of meteorites


I was under the impression that it's a myth that direct friction from O 
and N molecules on the surface of a meteorite create the heat that 
causes ablation.  I thought that ram pressure in front of the meteorite 
was the main factor in generating heat. The KE and PE would create a hot 
shock layer which would flow back around the meteorite causing its outer 
layer to melt.  I would think that friction is a minor factor,  unless 
you're talking about ram pressure as a kind of friction.


Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 1575 Ureilite [Update]!! - AD

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Greg  all,

I'm a little surprised to see any of these slices still available. I jumped 
on Greg's offer several weeks ago when he first offered them and I must say 
that I was not disappointed! It's a gorgeous meteorite and they are quite 
highly polished slices with great surface to weight ratios. I haven't seen 
many Ureilites offered over the years at such large, thin slices and at a 
reasonable price too. If nothing else the pics are worth a look.


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 1575 Ureilite [Update]!! - AD



Dear List Members,

UPDATE ~ Dhofar 1575 Ureilite:
Slices: Only 5 polished slices left at $15.00/g
Fragments: Only 5 cut fragments left at $8.00/g
* See below for list of available specimens.

Last month I announced a NEW Ureilite, Dhofar 1575. As we all know 
ureilites

are very difficult to cut and polish due to the numerous nano diamonds in
the matrix and most people do not invest the money or time into offering 
polished

slices, it is simply not cost effective. Well, I have put the investment
into having this ureilite cut and polished and wish to offer collectors 
this
rare chance to include a world-class slice at a VERY competitive rate! I 
was

lucky enough to acquire 25% of this new ureilite and hired one of the best
cutters out there to prepare this material, which was not cheap! He liked
this material so much he acquired a slice for his own collection! The
majority of this meteorite is in a private collection and very likely will
never be made available to collectors. Submitted classification is below 
the

list of specimens in this email.

Taking decent photographs of this highly polished material was a real
challenge and my images do not do the material justice. The slices are far
better looking in person, displaying the wall-to-wall olivine crystals in 
a

dazzling array which is a wonder under a microscope or 10x loupe!

Here is all that I have available of Dhofar 1575 Ureilite (Provisional):

38.44g part slice
73mm x 69mm x 2.5mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc3.jpg
34.71g part slice
74mm x 70mm x 2mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc4.jpg
31.23g part slice
70mm x 56mm x 3mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc5.jpg
28.31g part slice
68mm x 59mm x 2mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc7.jpg
27.53g part slice
69mm x 60mm x 2mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc8.jpg
122.1g cut fragment
55mm x 50mm x 27mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc00013.jpg
71.7g cut fragment
49mm x 33mm x 14mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc00017.jpg
65.6g cut fragment
48mm x 38mm x 17mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc00015.jpg
13.5g cut fragment
40mm x 13mm x 10mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc00019.jpg
12.2g cut fragment
39mm x 22mm x 10mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/Dhofar1575/dsc00020.jpg

PRICING:  (Ureilites normally sell for $30.00-50.00/g, if you can find
sizable prepared slices!)
Polished slices - $15.00/g
Fragments - $8.00/g

Submitted classification for Dhofar 1575:
Fresh, coarse grained aggregate of olivine and pigeonite (both exhibiting
characteristic dark, reduced grain rims) with accessory graphite, and
Ni-free iron metal along silicate grain margins.  Olivine (cores Fa21.5,
FeO/MnO = 45.5; rim Fa3.6; FeO/MnO = 7.2), pigeonite (cores
Fs17.7-17.8Wo6.0-5.8; FeO/MnO = 27.7). TKW: 4.7kg (2 stones; 1001g ASU
Collection, ~2.7kg Private Collection)

Thank you for considering a piece of Dhofar 1575 for your collection!

Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault


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Re: [meteorite-list] Catalogue cards..

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

In my opinion Sergey's label website is becoming the one stop shop for 
meteorite labelling info. I highly recommend taking a look if you have not 
seen it before.


http://labels.sv-meteorites.com/

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Catalogue cards..


I have an Excel spread sheet with my collection data, i.e. Name, purchased 
from, type, class, weight, etc. Then I put a little tag on the display with 
mostly the same stuff.

I have pictures if interested.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Spratt

Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 4:36 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Catalogue cards..

I put mine on my computer alphabetically.

Name, place.
Type.
Date of find or fall
(line space)
Numerical number and alphabetical number example. First meteorite I
got is Abee so it is 001 numerically
Abee would be 0101-1 alphabetically
Second Abee would be 001A  0101-2
Thin section is 001TS  0101TS
Then on same line is description and weight of specimen in grams or mg.

Then Source is next line.
Then new line is cost in US$ and date item acquired on same line:
(line space)

Notes: (additional notes on specimen with references etc.) These can
run several paragraphs.

Hope this helps.

Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
(Via my iPhone)
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[meteorite-list] Live coverage of NASA's EPOXI flyby of comet Hartley 2

[Jeff Kuyken]

Only 15 minutes to go folks. Live coverage here:

http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc

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Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?

[Jeff Kuyken]

I agree with Steve  Bernd!

I must say that I also agree with Bernd regarding NWA 5507. It's definitely 
one of my favourite Type-3 chondrites. Just spectacular!


http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/meteorite.aspx?id=49207
http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/january2010.html

Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de

To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:17 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of 
meteorites,please ?




Steve wrote: Second!

Bernd: Third!  :-))

I've been spending an enjoyable evening at the microscope ogling my
NWA 5507 slice (16.39 gr - see Encyclopedia if interested). Marcin's
NWA 5507 is an interesting L3.2 with lots of spectacular features:

- clasts (or PP chondrules?) with abundant translucent,
  light-green hypersthene crystals, a greyish groundmass + numerous tiny 
chromites

- finely disseminated troilite
- troilite-rimmed chondrules
- complex BO-Pyroxene chondrules
- and so much more!

Cheers,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite

[Jeff Kuyken]

I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector has 
found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and according to his 
YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his heater!


Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he found 
while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the WA state 
government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets a knock at the 
door!


Cheers,

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com

To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite



Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in
Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed
in for study/classificationor just disappeared
mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story?

Jeff?

They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts.

Graham, UK

On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote:

Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple...

Eric


On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:


Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield?
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ

Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm...



On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:


http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w
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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone here eaten meteorites?

[Jeff Kuyken]

Actually Rob has gone one step further than eating them with his infamous 
Murchison Pinky tattoo:


http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/murchtat.htm

Any super-powers yet Rob? ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net
To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; Meteorite List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone here eaten meteorites?



Hi Melanie, all

All too often, even have some the consistency of cornstarch for use in
cocktails.

They taste like dirt as one might expect.

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites
www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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- Original Message - 
From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone here eaten meteorites?


Hi,
Crazy question.. Has anyone on the list ever (purposely) ingested bits of
meteoritic material? How did it taste?


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Re: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlering bands, what do they look like?

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi Tim,

I don't know a lot about them but I do know they often show up when ataxites 
(i.e. Chinga) are etched. Here is an example:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230500864867

Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlering 
bands,what do they look like?




Hello List,

This is a slice of the New Gebel Kamil meteorite from  Egypt, it is an 
Ataxite and it is ungrouped which makes it unique and is one of a kind in 
composition



http://www.meteorman.org/Gebel-Kamil-slice-77g-640.jpg

Could someone tell me what are Schlering bands, are those  Schlering bands 
in the picture??


I did a Google search, but didn't find any information about Schlering 
Bands.



Tim Heitz

MIDWEST METEORITES  http://www.meteorman.org

314-596-1435
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Densities - Brother Guy

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

I made a page years ago on this as it has always been a popular topic. The 
PDF paper is linked at the bottom:


http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/density.html

Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: ted brattstrom volcano...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Densities - Brother Guy



Aloha -

This looks like a possible source of information - :-)

Grain densities, Bulk Densities, and Porosity...

Now to find a source of those tiny glass beads!

Cheers - ted


Stony Meteorite Porosities and Densities: A Review of the Data through 
2001

D. T. BRITT1 and G. J. CONSOLMAGNO S.J

http://homepage.mac.com/brother_guy/.Public/Meteorite%20Densities.pdf




--- On Thu, 9/30/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Amateur Meteoriticists?
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 3:05 PM
David's original question got me



snip ..



Now to a more direct response to David. Over dinner Guy
commented a bit about his work and how amateurs could
perform density and specific gravity measurements of their
own meteorites. I suggested contacting him, and other
scientists for copies of their papers if you don't have
access to pay sites.


...snip...


I can't say he is looking for co-authors, but he may be
able to direct interested amateurs to the researchers who
would be interested.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
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[meteorite-list] Exciting New Ungrouped Australian Iron For Sale

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

I have been asked to act on behalf of the finder of an exciting new
Australian iron meteorite. This has been going on for a number of years now
but the classification has been completed by Alex Bevan and John Wasson and
a couple of slices now taken from the Main Mass.

Under Western Australian state law, any meteorite found belongs to the state
regardless of its find location. And as you know there are the Federal
export laws on top of this. The trustees of the Western Australia Museum
have granted ownership of two large slices to the original finder and on top
of this, these two slices will also be given export clearance. This is a
somewhat unique and important precedent in working with our state and
federal laws.

The meteorite in question is Prospector Pool:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=47700

This is a spectacular iron filled with blobs and ribbons of troilite. There
are two complete slices weighing 135g and 424g available making them a
significant mass from an iron of only 2.77kg.

Prospector Pool - 135g
http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/Prospector%20Pool%20135g-1.JPG
http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/Prospector%20Pool%20135g-2.JPG

Prospector Pool - 424g
http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/Prospector%20Pool%20424g-1.JPG
http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/Prospector%20Pool%20424g-2.JPG

These are obviously large museum sized slices. They are reasonably thick so
may even be suited to slicing down further if you have the equipment and
expertise. For anyone who is seriously interested, please contact me
off-list for prices.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au



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[meteorite-list] NASA's Hubble Harvests Distant Solar System Objects

[Jeff Kuyken]

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2010/pr201015.html

NASA's Hubble Harvests Distant Solar System Objects

Cambridge, MA - Beyond the orbit of Neptune reside countless icy rocks known 
as trans-Neptunian objects (TNOs). One of the biggest, Pluto, is classified 
as a dwarf planet. The region also supplies us with comets such as famous 
Comet Halley. Most TNOs are small and receive little sunlight, making them 
faint and difficult to spot.
Now, astronomers using clever techniques to cull the data archives of NASA's 
Hubble Space Telescope have added 14 new TNOs to the catalog. Their method 
promises to turn up hundreds more.


Trans-Neptunian objects interest us because they are building blocks left 
over from the formation of the solar system, explained lead author Cesar 
Fuentes, formerly with the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and 
now at Northern Arizona University.


As TNOs slowly orbit the sun, they move against the starry background, 
appearing as streaks of light in time exposure photographs. The team 
developed software to analyze hundreds of Hubble images hunting for such 
streaks. After promising candidates were flagged, the images were visually 
examined to confirm or refute each discovery.


Most TNOs are located near the ecliptic -- a line in the sky marking the 
plane of the solar system (since the solar system formed from a disk of 
material). Therefore, the team searched within 5 degrees of the ecliptic to 
increase their chance of success.


They found 14 objects, including one binary (two TNOs orbiting each other 
like a miniature Pluto-Charon system). All were very faint, with most 
measuring magnitude 25-27 (more than 100 million times fainter than objects 
visible to the unaided eye).


By measuring their motion across the sky, astronomers calculated an orbit 
and distance for each object. Combining the distance and brightness (plus an 
assumed albedo or reflectivity), they then estimated the size. The newfound 
TNOs range from 25 to 60 miles (40-100 km) across.


Unlike planets, which tend to have very flat orbits (known as low 
inclination), some TNOs have orbits significantly tilted from the ecliptic 
(high inclination). The team examined the size distribution of TNOs with 
low- versus high-inclination orbits to gain clues about how the population 
has evolved over the past 4.5 billion years.


Generally, smaller trans-Neptunian objects are the shattered remains of 
bigger TNOs. Over billions of years, these objects smack together, grinding 
each other down. The team found that the size distribution of TNOs with low- 
versus high-inclination orbits is about the same as objects get fainter and 
smaller. Therefore, both populations (low and high inclination) have similar 
collisional histories.


This initial study examined only one-third of a square degree of the sky, 
meaning that there is much more area to survey. Hundreds of additional TNOs 
may lurk in the Hubble archives at higher ecliptic latitudes. Fuentes and 
his colleagues intend to continue their search.


We have proven our ability to detect and characterize TNOs even with data 
intended for completely different purposes, Fuentes said.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August30, 2010

[Jeff Kuyken]

It looks so much like Acapulco so I'm going with Acapulcoite.

Cheers,

Jeff


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net

To: karm...@email.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
August30, 2010



My first impression was of Lodran:

http://www.meteorites4sale.net/I_O_IMAGES/lodran_Smith.jpg

Might be a ver fresh lodranite or acapulcoite!

Congrats!

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
karm...@email.de
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:54 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August
30, 2010

Hi Michael
I'm no expert, but it looks like an Acapulcoite to me.

Best wishes
Martin



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org
Gesendet: 30.08.2010 21:43:09
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 30,
2010


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_30_2010_Macovich.html




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Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?

[Jeff Kuyken]

I've been reading up recently on various parent-bodies etc and there are a 
bunch of theories out there regarding various irons and stones. One that I 
can think of off the top of my head is that some consider the Horse Creek 
iron to have a potential origin in common with the Aubrites and/or Enstatite 
Chondrites.


Cheers,

Jeff


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To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?



Hi,

at present, excepted winonaites with IAB irons, no known group of iron is
connected to a group of achondrite.

The situation is slightly different for mesosiderites and pallasites. The
silicate portion of the mesosiderites is certainly linked to HEDs but the 
metal
and the silicates are not genetically linked. Concerning pallasites, they 
have
been considered to be linked with IIIAB irons, but that's really unlikely 
(see

the recent paper in PSRD by Scott...).

Again, it is unlikely that the large impact basin in Vesta displays the 
core of

the body...

cheers

Jean-Alix



Selon Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca:

Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the 
same

parent body as any known irons and stony-irons?


Someone mentioned something asking about the possibility of some irons 
coming

from 4 Vesta in another thread, not too long ago...


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 26, 2010

[Jeff Kuyken]

Wonderful pieces! That Isheyevo specimen is absolutely spectacular! Thanks 
to Laurence and Michael for sharing them.


Cheers,

Jeff


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 
26,2010




http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_26_2010.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Marcin's new NWA 6256 diogenite (oddball)

[Jeff Kuyken]

I just received my slice of this intriguing Diogenite and I want to echo 
Bernd's thoughts. It's a spectacular meteorite and well worth a look at!


Cheers,

Jeff

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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:47 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's new NWA 6256 diogenite (oddball)



Marcin wrote this morning:

NWA 6256 [DIO] - Strange looking diogenite, really strange one

http://www.polandmet.com/

And right he is. Never seen anything like this before so strange can
only vaguely paraphrase this oddball of a diogenite! Even though my
budget has been a bit strained lately, I could not resist and purchased
the 6.3-gram piece of NWA 6256. Can hardly wait to add this one to my
collection and examine it closely! Looks like there are lots of triple
junctions!

Regards,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Marcin's new NWA 6256 diogenite (oddball)

[Jeff Kuyken]

I agree Mike. I've always found it amazing how different one Diogenite can 
look from the next. After recently researching the Vestan meteorites I 
personally find NWA 6256 to be an especially interesting one. I guess in 
some respects you could say that this is what a Diogenite should look like 
with its large, brecciated, coarse-grained crystals.


Cheers,

Jeff

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To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Marcin's new NWA 6256 diogenite (oddball)



Hi Jeff, Marcin and List,

Yes, that is a beautiful meteorite.  I must have missed the first
announcement of it.

Lately, I have seen some wonderful diogenites that are far different
than the Tatahouine and Bilanga that I cut my teeth on.  It seems that
diogenite can take on a lot of different appearances.  :)

Best regards,

MikeG


On 8/13/10, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote:

I just received my slice of this intriguing Diogenite and I want to echo
Bernd's thoughts. It's a spectacular meteorite and well worth a look at!

Cheers,

Jeff

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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:47 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's new NWA 6256 diogenite (oddball)



Marcin wrote this morning:

NWA 6256 [DIO] - Strange looking diogenite, really strange one

http://www.polandmet.com/

And right he is. Never seen anything like this before so strange can
only vaguely paraphrase this oddball of a diogenite! Even though my
budget has been a bit strained lately, I could not resist and purchased
the 6.3-gram piece of NWA 6256. Can hardly wait to add this one to my
collection and examine it closely! Looks like there are lots of triple
junctions!

Regards,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor shower meteorite dropping events

[Jeff Kuyken]

I remember when the first results from the Stardust mission were coming out. 
Everyone was surprised to see the the CI chondrites did not match as well as 
first thought and that the best match were the metal-rich CH chondrites. I'm 
not sure what the studies have shown since then but maybe someone else here 
knows of recent papers?


Cheers,

Jeff


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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor shower meteorite dropping events



Chris, Eric, List,

Mazapil is a very old argument, indeed.

Take a look at:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2002M%26PS...37..649B
or the same at the author's website:
http://hyperion.cc.uregina.ca/~astro/Mazapil.pdf

and this one:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc1987/pdf/1377.pdf

Personally, the idea that comets drop iron meteorites
is silly. The fact that this is the one and only example, out
of thousands of falls, of the coinciding of a meteorite
fall with a meteor shower suggests to me that when you
flip coins often enough, a coin will land on its edge.


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor shower meteorite dropping events


Thanks for posting this Chris... This sounds like a good topic for an 
article for my magazine. If you're interested in it, and/or would like to 
write for the mag on this topic let me know. Anyone have a working theory 
based on evidence of this associative phenomena? I've heard many people 
suggest that meteor showers don't drop meteorites. Then I've heard people 
associate meteorite falls that happen during meteor showers with said 
shower. And I've also heard that people believe that there is ZERO 
connection and it's purely coincidence.


So which is it? yay or nay, or maybe? or no one really knows...?

Eric



On 8/11/2010 8:59 PM, Chris Spratt wrote:
I know of one meteor shower (November Andromedids) where an iron 
meteorite fell in Mazapil, Mexico during the shower.


Are there any similar events?

Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
(Via my iPhone)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3

[Jeff Kuyken]

That's a Dark Inclusion (DI) as per my email yesterday about them. There are 
a number of different types of them which have commonly and traditionally 
been mistaken for other carbonaceous-type clasts.


Cheers,

Jeff

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To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
Cc: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov; Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3



Wow, see this photo -

http://www.meteorite-house.com/MHContentFiles/MHmetPix/PicStoneCHotherNWA208612.html

Andreas' specimen does have a clast like mine!  Notice the close-up of
the clast in his piece.  It is very similar to the light-colored
regions in my stone.  There is even chondrule deformation.

:)


On 8/10/10, Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jason and List,

Jason makes a great point about this being an inclusion within an
inclusion.  These specimens were taken from a small, jagged, fragment
that was obviously a remnant of a larger mass.  Before that mass
fragmented (either in flight, on impact, or through weathering), it
was presumably a whole stone with a more representative lithology of
this meteorite.  This light-colored region with squashed chondrules
and it's brown inclusion was previously embedded in the larger
stone.  It would have been great to see a slice of the whole stone
that this fragment came from.

As for being NWA 2086 or not, I would question it also if presented
with my initial post and photos.  But, I did cut a larger batch of
this material and all of it (except for this fragment) looked exactly
like typical NWA 2086 - darker matrix, more spherical chondrules, more
colorful chondrules, CAI's, etc.  Also, I asked my source about the
chain of provenance regarding this batch and I was told that it came
directly from a very respected source.  I don't want to name drop, but
contact me off-list if curious.  The provenance is very solid.  So I
am very confident that this material is indeed NWA 2086.

The question in my mind now is about the brown inclusion - is it a
product of weathering/oxidation, or was it originally present in the
meteorite?  If the latter, then what is it?  This question will be
answered soon, because one List member has offered to thin-section
this material for me and another list-member with thin-section
experience purchased the largest piece.  So, two different veteran
list members are going to make qualitative examinations and analysis
of these specimens in the future.  And I hope they will share the
results with us.

Also, for those who might inquire, this brown inclusion / light
lithology material is sold out.  I kept one slice and sold the
remaining pieces.  All I have remaining are small crumbs and a few
sub-gram pieces that show some chondrules.  The slice I kept will
likely become another thin-section, pending further discussion.

I did some looking on the web, and I found a single photo of NWA 2086
that has a clast that somewhat resembles the lighter lithology in my
specimens.  In this linked photo, look in the lower left-hand portion
of the specimen, near the 7-oclock position.  You will see a clast on
the edge that is a different lithology than the rest of the specimen.
The clast is similar in color to my specimens, but it lacks the
squashed ellipsoidal chondrules.

http://www.meteorite-house.com/MHContentFiles/MHmetPix/PicStoneCHotherNWA208611.html

I examined my slice under the microscope at 60x tonight, and the
matrix in the light-colored area looks stippled.  It appears to be
composed of tiny black dots set into a whitish background matrix.
Whatever it is, it is very fine-grained compared to the darker
lithology that is seen on the same specimen.  I am glad there is the
boundary line and region of common NWA 2086 lithology in these pieces,
because it provides a good contrast for comparing the two lithologies.

Best regards,

MikeG


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On 8/10/10, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Jeff, All,
The only reason that I assumed that this slice *might* be a piece of
NWA 2089 is because of that dark corner - it's the only part of this
stone that looks *like* NWA 2086.
The light lithology that you say looks like NWA 2086 looks very unlike
other samples of 2086:

http://www.aerolite.org/prizes/nwa-2086.htm

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2086.htm

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/march/Accretion_Desk.htm

So what we're looking at here, if it's a piece of NWA 2086, is a slice
comprised almost entirely of a light clast that is in no way typical
of most NWA 2086 specimens.

That strange brown thing that everyone's arguing about 

Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day Mike,

Interesting piece. I've seen a bit of a new CV3 meteorite coming out from 
Morocco lately and much of it looks similar to yours. Firstly, take a look 
at this page on Dark Inclusions:


http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/DarkInclusions.html

It could be possible that the unusual inclusion in yours is a weathered one 
of these. But at the same time, this new CV material coming out of Morocco 
is different to the stuff I've seen in the past. I think the only way I can 
explain it is to say that it almost appears 'muddy'. I guess it's like 
saying that there are a few largish chondrules set in a very fine-grained 
'muddy' matrix. It's possible yours could be an exaggerated example of that?


Nice piece,

Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:28 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3



Hi List,

Has anyone ever seen an inclusion like this in a CV3 meteorite?  It is
a brown. featureless, area that snakes through the surrounding matrix
and chondrules.  I have seen light and dark inclusions in different
carbonaceous meteorites, including Allende, but I have not seen an
inclusion like this one.  I cut several fragments of this meteorite
and most had a predominately dark-matrix lithology.  One fragment had
a small portion of dark matrix lithology, and a predominate
lighter-grey matrix lithology.  It was in this light-matrix stone that
this weird glassy brown inclusion appeared during cutting.  It
resembles caramel and has a slick texture compared to the rest of the
meteorite.  Under the loupe, it appears very fine grained, almost
glassy, like an olivine.  It does not appear to be oxidation of any
kind.  The inclusion ran through the entire fragment and I have 4
different pieces that show it.  Besides this inclusion, there is the
expected mixture of chondrules and CAI's.  The pieces shown in the
photos are rough-sawn - no sanding or polishing yet.  The pieces shown
are an endcut and a slice.  The endcut weighs 5.18g and the slice
weighs 3.27g.

The close-up photo of the ? (question mark) shaped inclusion is the
clearest.  I'll try to snap some better photos tomorrow under outside
natural lighting.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-3.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-2.jpg

Does anyone know what this inclusion might be?

Best regards,

MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: USA Falls - Norton County Petersburg

[Jeff Kuyken]

Interesting Norton piece Bob and well worth looking at the pics folks.

I was recently lucky enough to obtain a couple of nice Norton County pieces 
and found that I was quite surprised by them. I didn't know what I'd been 
missing all these years... it's a fascinating and unique meteorite! 
Certainly well worth reading up on.


Cheers,

Jeff


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To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:03 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: USA Falls - Norton County  Petersburg



Hello again List,

I have some auctions on eBay that are ending soon:

http://shop.ebay.com/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340

These can be considered historical USA FALLS:

The PETERSBURG Meteorite.  This Achondrite - Polymict Eucrite type, Fell 
to Earth on August 5th, 1855 at 15:30hrs, in Lincoln County, Tennessee, 
USA.

Petersburg, partslice (0.12 grams)
http://tinyurl.com/35hen2a

This ultra-rare, historical USA Fall has great provenance:  from Russ 
Kempton at NEMS via the Michael Cottingham Meteorite Collection.




Norton County
- Classified as AUBRITE  -
-  (fragmental impact breccia) -
- Fell across the Kansas-Nebraska state line - in 1948 - TKW 1.1MT
- Impact BRECCIA fragment 7.92grams

http://tinyurl.com/NortonCounty
This specimen appears in the UNM Collection Catalog as Specimen number = 
N.15965 :

http://epswww1.unm.edu/metcat/sample_output.php?samplename=NORTON%20COUNTY

Check-out the images on the auction site.
All of the above specimens are now listed on eBay:
http://shop.ebay.com/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340

Hope you enjoy the images,
Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lightening glass was Question for Ted ?

[Jeff Kuyken]

That's a great Gao specimen Gary. Here's an example of amazing Tamdakht 
'hitch-hikers'!


http://www.meteorites.com.au/collection/Tamdakht%20H5%205.012g%20(1%20of%205)-2500.jpg

Cheers,

Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lightening glass was Question for Ted ?



Aloha Elton,

Also recently there was a NWA recovered which had small fragments 
apparently
embedded in a black glass on one side suggesting that a swarm of 
fragments
drafting the larger mass inside its slipstream. The swarm caught up to it 
and
adhered to the fused pool of material on the downwind side of the stone. 
What

has become of that recovery?  Anyone formally researching it?


Not sure about that particular NWA, but I have a Gao with larger 
ʻhitchhikersʻ that probably formed in similar fashion:


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31098342l=d4a6c14f0cid=1394318075

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31098343l=36dee321b8id=1394318075

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31098344l=88131bdec0id=1394318075

Gary Fujihara
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105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
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Re: [meteorite-list] Jeff's amazing Tamdakht photo

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day Carl,

Yes this is 100% melt material. By that I mean there is no main meteorite 
piece that the others are attached to... just dozens of fragments held 
together by fusion crust. VERY unusual stuff which I believe was dubbed 
Ralewite in the past after Stefan Ralew who first bought it to our 
attention.


Cheers,

Jeff



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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Jeff's amazing Tamdakht photo




Hi Jeff,

Amazing photo! The solid grey area is from the Tamdakht that completely 
melted? Nice!


Carl2



Jeff wrote:
That's a great Gao specimen Gary. Here's an example of amazing Tamdakht 
'hitch-hikers'!

http://www.meteorites.com.au/collection/Tamdakht%20H5%205.012g%20(1%20of%205)-2500.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE

[Jeff Kuyken]

It's not really that simple unless I'm missing something. Has Dr. Jambon 
studied a piece of NWA 5400? The way I see it is that one scientist is now 
studying BOTH meteorites in a comparative study so on conclusion of Dr. 
Irving's work he will be able to say with more certainty whether they are 
paired or not. In all likelihood they probably are but there's no point 
getting into all this again.


Cheers,

Jeff


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE



Anne,
I hate to beat a dead horse ..
All due respect here but, am I missing something ?
Yes, Dr. Irving is one of our most brilliant Scientist's we all know that 
but, he is not the only one. I repeat. Dr. jambon says it' so. So it's so.

Sorry.
Solong.
Carl

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 impact...@aol.com wrote:

Carl,

Yes, I read your email.

Look at the Met. Bulletin, NWA 5363 is still listed as provosional
I am sorry but you will have to wait for Dr. Irving to publish the 
results

of the O-Isotopes comparison.

Anne M. Black
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In a message dated 7/24/2010 6:55:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
cdtuc...@cox.net writes:
Anne,
Perhaps you did not read my last post  (same thread) because I posted an
email in it's entirety from Dr. Jambon. Evidently, The corrections to his
original classification have been made and
In his email he clearly states   NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA
5363!.
This leaves NO room for doubt. It is paired and the time for patience has
past.
We now know the whole story. He goes on to say that the Nom. Com and
Science publications. already have this information.
Thank you Dr. Jambon for this great news.
Carl
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 impact...@aol.com wrote:
 Kai,

 This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again.

 The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites
are
 paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen 
 Isotopes

is
 done on both meteorites.
 It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400.
 He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363.
 And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one.

 Patiently if at all possible!

 Anne M. Black
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 In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
 toronto...@gmail.com writes:
 Hi Tom,

 I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired.
 But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its
 terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a
 brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot
 find the  5363 on meteotitical bulletin.

 Just post my thinking for your consideration.

 Thanks,

 Kai



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court

[Jeff Kuyken]

Yeah it's a pretty riduculous argument when you think about it. If it didn't 
touch/imbed itself in the ground??? C'mon! How about we skydive onto the 
roof of the White House and see how they feel about that! Hey... we wouldn't 
imbed ourselves in the ground! ;-)


Cheers,

Jeff

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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court


List,

If declared by the judge as so, would this mean meteorites found on top of 
the ground, and not imbeded into the ground on federal lands would now not 
belong to landowner (U.S. Govt)?


I wonder what the Smithsonian's stance is on this issue will be when their 
representatives are called if the case goes to court?


Very interesting.

Steve Arnold
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court



List:

I'm curious how this will turn out; may set a precedent. For the owner of 
the land to own the meteorite, it has to imbed itself into the land or 
building... H


We'll see...


http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/21/29000.htm

Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court

By RYAN ABBOTT



FAIRFAX, Va. (CN) - A family medical practice has sued its landlord to 
determine who owns the palm-sized meteorite that crashed through the 
building's roof into an examination room. The doctors say the meteorite is 
in safekeeping at the Smithsonian Institutions, which offered $5,000 for 
the space rock, which the doctors want to donate for relief work in Haiti.
Williamsburg Square Family Practice sued its landlord, Mutlu Property 
Management and several members of the Mutlu family, in Fairfax County Court.
The doctors claim that the Mutlus swooped in and claimed ownership of the 
meteorite after the incident garnered local publicity.
The doctors say they lease the office suite from the Mutlu family and are in 
exclusive possession of that property during [their] lease term.
The meteorite did not imbed itself in the land or building, and thus did 
not become a part of the land or fixture, the doctors point out.
The meteorite crashed into an examination in the doctors' suite at 5:45 p.m. 
on Jan. 18 this year. No one was in the room when the meteorite broke 
through the ceiling and came to rest in pieces on the floor, and nobody 
was hurt.
The doctors say that Erol Mutlu initially agreed to donate the rock to the 
Smithsonian for preservation and study. Then the Mutlus changed their mind, 
said they intended to pick up the meteorite, and objected to its being 
handed over to the Smithsonian, according to the complaint.
The doctors office says that if the court declares it the owner of the 
historical artifact, it will stay with the Smithsonian, and the money will 
go to the Haitian relief effort of Doctors Without Borders.
The Practice seeks declaratory judgment. It is represented by Keith Marino 
with Arent Fox.


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