[meteorite-list] Meteor seen from above.
Anyone ever seen this before?...wow! http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/573236main_iss028e018218_full.jpg Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite
Trying to send this again as does not seem to be getting to the listapologies if it gets through twice... Ok thenwho's flying out to look for more of this? ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXtZpGTvok The locality as Kilimambogo between Thika and Kangunde (1 deg. 3 min. 46.3176 sec. South; 37 deg. 14 min. 22.3152 sec. East). Thanks to David from BIMS for the heads up. Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite
Another attempt at posting this to the list!!! More hereInteresting hearing them report about the Carancas poisonings at the end of the video I last posted! and in this they suggest the meteorite was spinning when it landed? http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Meteor+crashes+at+Kilimambogo/-/1056/1202250/-/13ulmhtz/-/ Posted Saturday, July 16 2011 at 17:34 An unknown mass believed to be from outer space on Saturday fell near Kilimambogo and Tala towns. Initially, there were reports of an explosion in Kangundo, Tala, Yatta and Kakuzi before an extra-terrestrial rock fell at around 10 am. Area residents say the loud sound was comparable to a bomb explosion or a crashing aircraft while others felt it was an earthquake. Police and military officers from Thika rushed to the scene at Kiumwiri village, Murang’a county. The military later took away the object for expert analysis. The black smooth rock weighing about five kilos fell at a maize plantation, 60 meters from a nearby homestead, but no one was harmed. Lt Col J.N. Vungo, the commanding officer of the 12th Engineers Battalion, said initial assessment indicate that the object was not manmade and was believed to have come from outer space. “We got conflicting reports from Kilimambogo area indicating that an aircraft had crashed or a bomb had exploded in the area and jointly with the police we mobilised our officers to find out what was happening,” he said. On locating the scene, security personnel sealed off the area, which was attracting curious residents. “We believe it is a heavenly body, probably a piece of a meteor that may have disintegrated on entering the earth’s atmosphere,” said Lt Col Vungo, who was accompanied by Thika police boss Paul Leting. Mr Vungo said reports from Ndunyu Sabuk area indicated that a bigger object was seen in the skies before it disintegrated after a loud blast. The official said according to witnesses, the object raised a cloud of dust on hitting the ground, was extremely hot and was spinning on impact. “Meteors often lose stability and fly away from their orbit, but they burn out on entering the atmosphere due to friction, Lt Col Vungo said. However, he added that it was a rare occurrence in the East African region. An eye witness Ms Jane Wangui Kibugi said she was only 50 meters away when the object fell. “I saw a cloud of dust and when I went closer I found the black smooth stone, which had dug a hole on the ground,” she said. Great to have another new fall to ponder. Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams and provenance
I can't say that mixing up all their pictures/samples really instills me with confidence in a bill of sale from Bonhams! Graham On 14 April 2011 04:47, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Yinan I would have to agree the bill of sale from a world renowned auction house says it all. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html Bonhams and provenance Yinan Wang veomega at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 23:37:14 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Bonhams and provenance Next message: [meteorite-list] AD - 7.00 g 'Moss' CO3 fall -World's no.1 hammer stone -NO RESERVE! Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi List, Thought I'd chime in on this subject since I'm in the auction industry. Privacy (and anonymity) is one of the principles of the auction industry. The consignor or direct previous owner is kept private unless they wish to be recognized, at which point it is up to a department's director whether or not to include them in the description of an item. Well recognized provenance, such as from The British Museum, or Nininger, would normally be shown in the description while the direct previous owner or consignor will not be unless it is agreed upon. Of course a potential buyer can certainly ask to be put in contact with the previous owner, but it's up to the consignor whether or not they want to respond. Also, a bill of sale from an auction house is usually really good for authenticity and provenance since auction houses are supposed to guarentee the titles of items. -Yinan On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:19 AM, valparint at aol.com wrote: That is a heckuva good question, John. I've contacted Bonhams about provenance on lots I've won and was told by the head guy that they do not release information about the consignor, but they would send an email on my behalf. So far, no consignor has responded. Sometimes Bonhams will state the name of the collection from which an item came and I've tried direct contact based on that info, to no avail. I am currently negotating the sale of a piece and the potential buyer is insistant on documentation, which I have been unable to get. Very frustrating, especially from an auction house. One would think they would live or die on provenance, especially for items that cost a bunch. Paul Swartz I have a question about the exceedingly rare meteorites in question. Why does Bonhams devalue these meteorites by stripping them of their provenance and chain of ownership history? Why are they being sold without the supporting information of where they originated from? It does not seem to be in the best interest of the buyer Best Regards, John Higgins __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] Bonhams and provenance Next message: [meteorite-list] AD - 7.00 g 'Moss' CO3 fall -World's no.1 hammer stone -NO RESERVE! Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Zagami LOT in question and others May 17th 2011 NYC.
I agree Shawn...The first two do look lunar though...but not the ones they say...and the last looks like the NWA Chassignite 2737!!! I just looked through some others and I think several other of the lunar slices are mixed up too. They need to be told I think before they get circulated under the wrong names or folks end up getting something different from the photos when they bidnot good. Perhaps someone on this list is auctioning them through Bonhams? Graham, UK On 13 April 2011 08:12, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers In NYC on May 17th 2011 Bohams is having a Natural History auction and there are some nice meteorites up for auction. However, I was viewing the LOTS and I noticed that a 5.6g Zagami slice does not look like a Zagami from what I have seen and what I have owned. Here is a link to that lot http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3168/ take a look and see if you agree with me or not. Also, I noticed other LOTS where the images do not match up with what they are auctioning off. Nakhla http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3172/ Here is a Nakhla image from the Smithsonian http://nhb-acsmith1.si.edu/emuwebmsweb/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=1001071 Dar al Gani 400 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3177/ The matrix is darker then what I have seen. From what I can tell, it should be a neutral gray and white clasts. Now I am not sure if I am correct or incorrect but I am wondering if they have mixed up the images of the LOTS or I am blind. But at any rate, take a look and see what I mean by some of the LOTS. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Zagami LOT in question and others May 17th 2011 NYC.
Most of the lots have now been changed but still one does not seem right..eg A partial slice of the lunar NWA 2727 chassignite meteorite. http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/WService=wslive_pub/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=usascreen=LotDetailsiSaleItemNo=4984589iSaleNo=19371iSaleSectionNo=3sServer=http://images2.bonhams.com/sPath=2011-04/13/8295255-7-2.jpg Didn't know there were lunar chassignites!!! Think it should be 2737 and read Martian. Graham On 13 April 2011 08:22, MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: All three images might be a lunar but in no way Zagami-- a dun colored rock. Elton - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 3:12:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Zagami LOT in question and others May 17th 2011 NYC. Hello Listers In NYC on May 17th 2011 Bohams is having a Natural History auction and there are some nice meteorites up for auction. However, I was viewing the LOTS and I noticed that a 5.6g Zagami slice does not look like a Zagami from what I have seen and what I have owned. Here is a link to that lot http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3168/ take a look and see if you agree with me or not. Also, I noticed other LOTS where the images do not match up with what they are auctioning off. Nakhla http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3172/ Here is a Nakhla image from the Smithsonian http://nhb-acsmith1.si.edu/emuwebmsweb/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=1001071 Dar al Gani 400 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3177/ The matrix is darker then what I have seen. From what I can tell, it should be a neutral gray and white clasts. Now I am not sure if I am correct or incorrect but I am wondering if they have mixed up the images of the LOTS or I am blind. But at any rate, take a look and see what I mean by some of the LOTS. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams and provenance
Seems they have been working on it...they have also added that they are fro a Canadian collector. Graham On 13 April 2011 20:21, Rob Wesel - Mobile Device nakhla...@comcast.net wrote: I have contacted Bonhams and they will be sorting the planetaries out. valpar...@aol.com wrote: That is a heckuva good question, John. I've contacted Bonhams about provenance on lots I've won and was told by the head guy that they do not release information about the consignor, but they would send an email on my behalf. So far, no consignor has responded. Sometimes Bonhams will state the name of the collection from which an item came and I've tried direct contact based on that info, to no avail. I am currently negotating the sale of a piece and the potential buyer is insistant on documentation, which I have been unable to get. Very frustrating, especially from an auction house. One would think they would live or die on provenance, especially for items that cost a bunch. Paul Swartz I have a question about the exceedingly rare meteorites in question. Why does Bonhams devalue these meteorites by stripping them of their provenance and chain of ownership history? Why are they being sold without the supporting information of where they originated from? It does not seem to be in the best interest of the buyer Best Regards, John Higgins __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse my brevity and any typos. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] freebies to go
$10.2765 a gallon here in the UK Graham On 8 April 2011 11:28, steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: Good morning list.5:30 AM RISE AND SHINE! Hey I have lots more freebies to give away.Unclassed stones and black campo crystals. 8 people have chimed in and I still have 12 more to go.Remember USA only because of postage rates.Almost as bad as gas prices.In chicago area its over $4 a gallon.Anyway,have a great day all. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass
Just wondering why the Park Forest Main mass looks old and weathered in the photograph? Was it found much later. I was expecting to see fresh crust and matrix. I would never have guessed it was Park Forest. Graham, UK On 27 March 2011 09:38, Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, Was wondering if you any other detail of this main mass. Finder? Location? Date of find? etc. thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sat, 3/26/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 9:44 PM Thanks to Mark Hammergren, we have images of the Park Forest main mass. At least, the largest one I know of. 5260 grams. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmmedit.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit2.jpg Bill __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass
Thanks for the reply Mark, An interesting story and explains the rust. I wonder where the main mass of Park Forest resides at this moment then. Would be very interesting to find out if he still has it or did indeed sell it to someoneperhaps someone on this list? Graham On 27 March 2011 18:26, Mark Hammergren mhammerg...@yahoo.com wrote: The Olympia Fields gentleman whose lawn this stone fell into returned to town more than a week after the fall. When he got back, he saw a hole in his front yard, along with a whole bunch of stone chips in his driveway. He assumed the city parks department, which was maintaining a park nearby, had left this mess on his property. So he swept up and threw away the stone chips (yes, this is painful, I know!), and called the city to come repair his lawn. The workers dug up the hole, found the meteorite, and recognized it for what it was. Then, amazingly enough, they knocked on his door, gave it back to him, told him they thought it was a meteorite and likely worth a lot of money, and went on their way. He called me a little while after that, said he thought he had a meteorite, and wondered if I could verify that's what it was. I'd received hundreds of such inquiries, with only a few of them proving to be meteorites, so I was doubtful. But when he gave me his address, which was right at the high mass end of the strewnfield, and described the stone, I had a suspicion his rock might be the real thing. When I got a chance to examine it in person, it was unmistakable. Quite rusted from spending two weeks in soggy sod, yes, but a genuine Park Forest meteorite. I took some photos and weighed it, then took him and the stone down to the Field Museum, where their meteorite collections manager (at the time) examined it herself. I walked the gentleman back to his car, advised him that while his meteorite was of significant scientific interest, it was also quite valuable to collectors (museum ethics forbids me from giving specific appraisals). I made sure he understood that since the meteorite fell on his property, he legally owned the meteorite, and that no other public or private organizations had a claim on it. He asked if I could recommend a meteorite dealer, but museum ethics similarly forbid me from recommending a specific dealer. I referred him to IMCA, and also said he could simply Google meteorite dealer. He left, and I never heard any more from him. If someone has subsequently dealt with the owner, and knows more about what happened to the stone, I'd be interested in hearing about it. Best regards, Mark --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass To: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 9:04 AM Hi Graham, Bill, and List, That was my initial reaction as well. I have never previously seen the photos that Bill posted, and I was expecting velvety black crust as well. This stone looks like it has seen better days. I'd be curious to hear more about the circumstances of it - where it was found, when, etc. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/27/11, e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Just wondering why the Park Forest Main mass looks old and weathered in the photograph? Was it found much later. I was expecting to see fresh crust and matrix. I would never have guessed it was Park Forest. Graham, UK On 27 March 2011 09:38, Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, Was wondering if you any other detail of this main mass. Finder? Location? Date of find? etc. thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sat, 3/26/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 9:44 PM Thanks to Mark Hammergren, we have images of the Park Forest main mass. At least, the largest one I know of. 5260 grams. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmmedit.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit2.jpg Bill __ Visit the Archives
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 21, 2011
Amazing and beautiful! size? Graham On 21 March 2011 03:10, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_21_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok
Dirk must be ok as he just replied to my email about places to visit with meteoritesI am supposed to be flying out there next week, but not sure what will happen now...early days. No details from him about damage but the Tsunami was devastating along the coastal regions and is now rushing across the Pacific...buildings in major cities have survived remarkably well it seems...hope everyone else in its way will be ok. Dirk was implying that other earthquakes may yet be triggered however. Graham, UK On 11 March 2011 07:28, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Just heard on TV and online that the earthquake in Japan was upgraded to 8.9 from 8.8 with 10 meter Tsunamis off the coast. I hope Dirk and others we know in Japan are alright. All the best. Brian http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42023385/ns/world_news-asiapacific/?gt1=43001 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] General List Policies/ rules
Well said, Graham On 10 March 2011 05:38, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: hello all, first i want to say that this is good news that two big hunters are home with there family,and enjoying life again,very happy to har this fantastic news after spending two month in a bad dream, segond i think that the list rules must improve and change to better rules, that can keep this list more polit and that we can make it international with a big audiance,and more members, one thing rules are important. 1= no one has the right to publicly attack an other one, this is the limit of the democracy you can attack a person opinion but not the person himself as an entire entite, you do not agree with X or Y adea but do not attack him, this two difrent things 2= private life and personnal matter must not be on the list we discuss stones we have to leave the rest out of the list, 3= if we have meteorite as a passion we have also other bissuness and other friend and family anyone googling your name will find all the private fight on the list and will take you as that, as he is not in the context, and all the post on the list are in the archives and will stay forever so we must think to protect our reputation for now and the futur,like usinf other id in the list so if i m out of the list and i read MB post i will think to many bad things ambiguites,so indirectly even if you want to help MF you are with good or bad well destroying his reputation ,personnal matter must stay out:you do not have the right: absolutely not everyone has his own problem , but never , i say never, no one has the right to attack anyone you can argue adea or opinion but never a private or a confidence or a personal issue must not be public, no one is immune against problems, life is full of surprise but do not bring that to the list; on other hand a civilised and polit debat are always welcome; i do not see also why a man hurt an other what are the goals, you think this will help, the matter to stop someone from the list or let him back must be a democratic issue discusion between art and a team voted by list member to manage the list and helping art to take a wise decision my 1.dirhams __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???
and then there's my prized collection piece here. :-) http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_5_2010.html Graham On 9 March 2011 07:54, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Hi Richard all, I've been watching Murchison pretty carefully over the last 12-24mths. There has been a somewhat steep incline in price that I believe is probably mainly due to the amount of media attention it has received during that time. Personally I think it's over-priced and I would not expect the price to stay there. eBay auctions often go unsold (probably because the prices are too high) and most pieces do seem to be under 2g. But all that said, if anyone wants any Murchison stones for the current prices of $150-$200/g just let me know. There are several stones available over here from 10-80g. Cheers, Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc. www.imca.cc - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison??? Recently some of us had a discussion on Facebook about how rare Murchison seems to be. Rarely do you see as much as a gram available. The Heritage Auction has a huge Murchison, 535.9g individual (http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6061Lot_No=49046) Maybe I've missed them, or not privy to their availability, but where is all the Murchison between a gram and and this largest individual? Anyone? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Odd Item on Ebay
If it relates to all the others he is selling at the moment as meteorites they are definitely not meteorites...most look like hematite. Graham On 9 March 2011 23:47, Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com wrote: The photos are out of focus or too dark, so it could be anything. - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Odd Item on Ebay List: Found this on Ebay - quite odd I must say. I love the first sentance in the description, This Specimen is very similar to a golf ball I think that's a red flag. The question is: What is it? http://cgi.ebay.com/Iron-Ball-Meteorite-Five-Colors-Surface-Mexico-/180635286607?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a0eb3bc4f Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A chance photo discovery
Thanks Darren for posting that linkI was also fascinated by the other old photos of the time and the Arts programmeI had no idea about any of that happening in the USA then. Graham On 26 February 2011 01:37, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: I was browsing through a PDF of photos of New Deal WPA activities, when on page 33 I found Archeological digs employed WPA labor, including this excavation at the site of the Odessa meteor crater in Ector County, Texas. http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/pdfs/ppDIRwpa.pdf __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Hunter's First Images on the Ground
Great comet images.they seem to show up clear detail of layering and strata in many places which seems to have an interesting influence on the crater forms. Graham, UK On 15 February 2011 16:25, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-054 Comet Hunter's First Images on the Ground Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 15, 2011 PASADENA, Calif. -- Mission controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., have begun receiving the first of 72 anticipated images of comet Tempel 1 taken by NASA's Stardust spacecraft. The first six, most distant approach images are available at http://www.nasa.gov/stardust and http://www.jpl.nasa.gov. Additional images, including those from closest approach, are being downlinked in chronological order and will be available later in the day. A news conference previously planned for 10 a.m. PST (1 p.m. EST) will be held later in the day, to allow scientists more time to analyze the data and images. A new time will be announced later this morning. Stardust-NExT is a low-cost mission that expands on the investigation of comet Tempel 1 initiated by NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages Stardust-NExT for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Joe Veverka of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., is the mission's principal investigator. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, built the spacecraft and manages day-to-day mission operations. More information about Stardust-NExT is available at http://stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov . DC Agle 818-393-9011 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. a...@jpl.nasa.gov Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Blaine Friedlander 607-254-6235 Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. b...@cornell.edu 2011-054 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's a project for someone! Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough pretty sure non of them is Taza. Graham, UK On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net wrote: I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Hi Martin, In a way that's what I was saying.many etched iron slices have very characteristic patterns with regularly occurring inclusions etc which show up differently on the cut angleso as a project it would be very complex and would need to show how those things differ (or are similar) in each meteorite for different anglesbut it could be a wonderful resource if someone had the time and expertise to compile an illustrated book.. I would certainly buy it. Cheers, Graham On 11 February 2011 10:31, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: I don't know Graham, whether that would work, Because the same iron can look very different, just depending on the angle of the cut plane through the crystals. Same applies especially to the Neumann lines. Laurence, any hints, how long those pieces are already in the collection? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von e-mail ensoramanda Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2011 10:38 An: Laurence Garvie Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's a project for someone! Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough pretty sure non of them is Taza. Graham, UK On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net wrote: I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 12th annual Steve and Geoff show video And Gold Basin Cake
Thanks for that Jimgreat work. Really missed being there this year. Graham, UK On 10 February 2011 18:27, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Enjoy the videos. How to break it into segments for YouTube... http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org Jim Wooddell __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] about meteorite casts
Hi Gary, Yes a wonderful cast and a local fall for me. Mine arrived a few days ago. Shame about the damage to yours...very annoying. Not sure I thanked Zelimir back then for his kind offer toothat is a very generous offer...will keep it in mind. Sure missed the trip to Tucson this time, and thanks for all the photos...unfortunately could not keep awake that late for the live streaming (great of you Ruben and Co for doing it...did anybody record it?)) but hopefully see many of you in Ensisheim to swap stories and share a beer. Cheers, Graham On 8 February 2011 18:58, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha all, One of the mountain of packages that awaited me upon my return home was one that contained a cast of the Middlesborough meteorite. It is an incredibly oriented stone reproduced beautifully in this cast. My only complaint is that some idiot at customs cut through the box and scarred the piece in several places. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Middlesborough.jpg I am very happy with the piece, very disappointed with customs, but anyone interested should contact Dee Dave at GeoEd Ltd in Cornwall. Email is fos...@geoed.co.uk gary On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Graham, If you mean original meteorites that were sources of casts in general (not Middlesborough in particular), you were very close to a famous one last Summer: Ensisheim meteorite, 53.832 kg, original displayed in the Ensi Regency palace. Only 2 identical (plaster) casts have been manufactured from that original in the late 1940's (or 1950's ?) by a local artist. One belongs to the Guardians and is sometimes lend for display instead of the original that is, as you might guess, tricky and risky to carry here and there. I am the very lucky owner of the second cast. It was officially donated to me by the Guardians after we had organized the first 2000 show. I continue to believe this was an outstanding honor that I never deserved, whatever my contribution to initiate the show (actually that work was, and still is, far more a pleasure and a challenge than a task). This being, if ever you need my cast for any kind of display (even in the UK), I am always ready to lend it occasionally. Because I consider that this almost unique cast can be to some extent an elegant way to dispatch the fame of that unique meteorite, and perhaps the knowledge of meteorites in general. I may suspect the artist realized it for that kind of purpose. BTW, please note all: The real and accurately measured weight of the original meteorite fragment sited in Ensisheim (by all means the main mass) is well 53.831, as officially re-weighed in 2002. The other often mentioned figures (about 55 kg or alike) are not correct. My best, Zelimir At 23:44 25/01/2010, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Dan, I have chased up the original sources of the casts and they are no longer available...unless of course someone on the list knows different...I have been after one for years. Graham Daniel H. Fronefield dfron...@hiwaay.net wrote: So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for sale? Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various methods. Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too. Dan Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Unique Meteorite
Remarkable looking stone Rubenare you sure its a meteorite? If they are chondrules then here's a wild guess...how about more resistant armoured chondrules similar to some CR meteorites which have been exposed and polished by weathering , perhaps in some sort of vug. I'd have to file a window very soon if it were mine. Would love to see what was shown upgo on you know you have to...and send some more shots. Wish I was theregood luck Graham On 30 January 2011 01:59, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Currently emailing from Tucson and thought I'd post one of my latest Gem Show purchases. I bought this meteorite yesterday because it was so odd. Has anyone ever seen anything like it? If so, how could this have happened? http://www.mr-meteorite.net/chondrules.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Yes...my thoughts are with everyone in Tucson. The news is all over the TV stations out here in the UK. I was staying just up the road from the shootings at the show last year. Tragic! Graham, IMCA #1835 On 8 January 2011 22:41, Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net wrote: I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1iref= BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson activities
Hi Brian, and welcome to the list I think you will have much more success searching through the rooms at the numerous venues in Tucson...Besides, there is just not enough time to see all the meteorites that will be on show (or hidden away in mysterious boxes) even if you stayed for the whole show! Graham, nr Barwell UK IMCA #1835 On 8 January 2011 19:09, Brian Moore bmo...@bigbangwidth.com wrote: First post, hello listers. Are there any strewn fields one can search around Tucson? I'm wondering if it is worthwhile to bring my metal detector. This will be my first time to the show. -Brian Moore Alberta Canada __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - January 5, 2011
I found it interesting that both samples had the lichen growing on them. Just wondering, Svend, how common the growths were on surrounding stones or if perhaps they favoured growing on the Eucrite because of certain minerals contained within compared to other stones in the area. Graham, UK On 5 January 2011 14:26, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_5_2011.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BBC stargazing live....meteorites
Hi All, For all those able to view...tonights episode in the UK is covering the Quadrantids and some info on meteorites at this very moment. Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BBC Stargazing Live appearance by Gary Fujihara
Hi All, Gary, Just to say congratulations Gary on your appearance tonight on the beeb. Watched the new Stargazing Live show earlier tonight with links to Hawaii. It was quite a shock to see you appear just after I had mentioned your name. Great programme for those able to get it. Graham UK. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BBC Stargazing Live appearance by Gary Fujihara
Doubt there will be any Youtube links yet...it can be seen here...but probably only in the UK unless someone knows a way round that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wnvpf On 3 January 2011 23:42, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a YouTube video link? :) -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:36 PM, e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, Gary, Just to say congratulations Gary on your appearance tonight on the beeb. Watched the new Stargazing Live show earlier tonight with links to Hawaii. It was quite a shock to see you appear just after I had mentioned your name. Great programme for those able to get it. Graham UK. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Re: Business contact
I too have tried to ask about the state of my subscription and had not repliesanyone else having any luck? Graham On 29 December 2010 16:59, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List: Has anyone tried to contact Hazel at METEORITE Magazine (see link below)? I have sent two emails to inquire about my subscription but have not received a reply. Anyone else try contacting her? Dave --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Robert Beauford robertbeauf...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: Robert Beauford robertbeauf...@rocketmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine - November, vol 16, no 3 - Co-editor's Note To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 1:57 PM The November Meteorite Magazine issue should be in your mail boxes very soon if it has not already arrived. You can expect it shortly. I'm sorry for the delay. We picked up production mid-stride, but put together what I think is a nice issue with great articles. I deeply appreciate everyone who helped us to make this happen. February should be back to arriving on time. Someone mentioned not having gotten prior issues in their subscription. The only one that should be late is November. If you have had other subscription problems, these will involve issues prior to our presence. Please let us know, either through the web site at meteoritemag.uark.edu, or by contacting Hazel directly at met...@uark.edu (Hazel can help you with business, back issues, or subscription questions.) For articles, content questions, or article submissions, you can contact the editors, Derek Sears or myself, at meted...@uark.edu Thank you all for your support of this great magazine. It is an honor and a joy to be working with all of you to keep this magazine going and growing. This is meant to be a magazine for the entire meteorite community, collectors, dealers, hunters, scholars, educators and everyone else, and we are happy to have your comments and participation. Robert Beauford, co-editor __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Barwell, the Christmas Eve Meteorite
Hi Bernd/All, Hope you have a very merry Barwellmas! Today (23rd) is known by my family and friends as Ensmas, my birthday and the eve of the Barwell fall. It fell the day after my 9th birthday a few miles away from home and sparked of a lifetimes fascination with meteorites I'm still searching for the bits they missed! Hope you are all enjoying this festive season. Graham Ensor On 23 December 2010 23:25, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Happy Birthday, Barwell! Bernd (in Germany at 00.35 local time ;-) -- On December 24, 1965, a Christmas present of sorts fell to the ground around 16:20 hrs, when a brilliant fireball swept across southern England from a south -southwesterly direction and landed in Barwell accompanied by a tremendous explosion caused by the exploding meteorite that went down in history as the Christmas Eve meteorite. The bolide must have been extremely bright. Some eyewitnesses say it was brighter than the sun, others say it was almost twice as bright as Venus. There are also reports of color changes during atmospheric descent. Local residents noted a large explosion, the sky suddenly lit up, a whizzing noise was heard, there was a loud roar, a low rumbling noise, a screaming sound from a low-flying object directly overhead, a loud rustling noise after the explosion, a sudden thud as something hit the ground, a terrible crack, and also electrophonic phenomena. When one local picked up a strange-looking stone about as big as his hand, he immediately threw it down again because it felt warm. This stone had even left a small crater in the asphalt road. Another Barwell resident found a dent in the hood of his automobile and a white stone on the ground weighing between six and seven pounds. News of the actual fall was slow to spread but when it did, hell broke loose because the British Museum had promised financial rewards for each and every find. Several larger fragments and innumerable small stones were located by field parties and local residents. While initial disruption occurred at an altitude of about 25 miles, final disruption probably occurred at a very low altitude above Barwell. The Barwell L5 chondrite has a gray interior, numerous FeNi specks and grayish chondrules that give it a mottled look. Interestingly, some of the fragments at Barwell came in from slightly different directions - maybe due to strong winds high up in the atmosphere because a distinct smoke trail rapidly disappeared. A 17-pounder made a perfectly vertical hole in sandy loam soil to a depth of 27 inches. A 14 ½ ounce fragment penetrated the roof of a local factory. A 7-pound piece lay in an 18-inch hole. A 6-pound chunk was found in a factory backyard partly buried in a cinder heap! Reference: Lancaster Brown P. (1966) The Barwell Meteorite (Sky Telescope, July 1966, pp. 7-11). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse photos
Excellentprobably the best set of lunar eclipse shots I've ever seen. Graham On 22 December 2010 03:12, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: I had a great eclipse observing and photography session last night, but boy am I tired. Photographing an eclipse is a real challenge, but luckily the clouds stayed away for most of the night and everything came together pretty well. I uploaded some of the photos here: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/lunar/lunar-eclipse-december-21st-2010/ I had a fish eye camera working the whole night, hoping to catch a meteor, but didn't get that lucky. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Hi, Just been taking some photos of eclipse from v frosty UK, Nr Barwell...was beautuful as sun was brightening the landscape and showing the hoar frosted trees below. Graham On 21 December 2010 06:47, michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, Clear skies... 40 degrees F... eclipse is underway and beautiful... Happy Solstice! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell
Hi All, Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality... http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/ Seasons greetings, Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell
Hi Rob, Thanks for sharing thatgreat detailed shot. Couldn't help thinking that all it needed was a sprig of holly photo-shopping on to the top and it would make a very good festive plum pudding look-a-like! Cheers, Graham On 21 December 2010 16:53, Rob Holcomb rob.holc...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a photo from the San Francisco Bay Area, a friend setup his equipment and then stood out in the balmy (compared to most of you!) weather and took a whole series of photos. I like this one with the stars in the background. http://4-kats.homeip.net/andrewlunar.jpg Rob Holcomb http://www.rholcomb.com -- From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell Hi All, Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality... http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/ Seasons greetings, Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Video of UK fireball
Hi All, Video of the fireball over the UK on Wed eve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQpL12tYPrw Reports seem to suggest so far that it started above the Eastern Yorkshire coast and travelled at a low angle towards the west with a final detonation and fragmentation over the pennines. If this did drop meteorites they are likely in the Irish sea but coastal regions from Liverpool down to N Wales may be a possibility. God reports and analysis here from Alastair McBeath. http://www.popastro.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14888 Fingers crossed for leaky roof reports! Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
Hi Ruben, Congratulations again. Just a little boast that I too was right in my guess at it's classification...just checked the archiveso no prizes then? ;-) It just reminded me of my Vaca Muerta sample. http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057091.html as below Mon Oct 5 19:27:55 EDT 2009 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find * Next message: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when ASU confirm? ;-) Good luck Graham Happy hunting and Merry Christmas to everyone. Graham UK On 10 December 2010 02:14, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The classification of my rare Arizona Meteorite find has just been completed. Many will remember that a year ago we had fun guessing as to what it could be. Well, now we know. If memory serves correct, I think only Adam Hupe was right. Check it out here: http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Large fragmenting meteor in UK this evening
My wife just saw an amazing meteor in the UK.Unfortunately I still had my head in the car unloading and missed it :-( It must have been very spectacular further north as she observed at looking into the remainder of the glowing light from sunset and with a fair bit of light pollutionvery low slow and distant. She reports as follows. Site Location: Town: Swannington County: Leicestershire Country: England Latitude: 52 ° 44 ’ 16.92 ” N Longitude: 01 ° 22 ’ 51.65 ” W Date / Time: Date (Year - Month - Date): 2010 - 12 - 08 Time: 17 h 39 m 00 s TimeZone GMT Visible duration (in seconds): at least 3 Train Details: large fragmenting fireball Sounds: None apparent Fragmentation: Yes Colours: White Large fragmenting fireball brighter than Jupiter but not as bright as the full moon travelling apparently east to west seen for the length of the plough directly below the plough, low, (3/4 above horizon 1/4 below plough) Initial start of hot flight not noticed so could have lasted longer. Seen through light pollution and probably too distant to hear associated sounds/detonations. If anyone else spots other reports please post to the list. Graham Ensor UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test...delete
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[meteorite-list] Large fragmenting meteor in UK this evening...reports
Fireball seen by hundreds traveling across UK..many reports coming in. Thought to be traveling E to W and reports of it overhead in on W coast so if it dropped anything it's likely to be in the Irish Sea or maybe Ireland again! More details need yet though http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8190171/Spectacular-meteor-fireball-explosion-over-Britain-leaves-stargazers-buzzing-ahead-of-Geminid-space-shower.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11954932 Graham UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Hi Bernd/All, Does anyone know any more about the classification of NWA 6260 which is provisionally LL7 metachondrite...Has that been confirmed yet...Met Bulletin still says Unknown? Cheers, Graham, UK On 18 October 2010 21:19, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Oops, sorry for the double post! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement...New Website is now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
Excellent site Doneverything one needs all in one site...or a link to it if notI have bookmarked it. Cheers, Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 03:27, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Hi List. I apologize that I have been away off the list for a long time. The reason is I decided to fulfill a long awaited dream of mine and create a website dedicated to meteorites and astronomy. I spent about a year and almost 2000 hours researching to put this together and ended up to be much longer then I anticipated. For those who know me I wanted to do it right and do not like to cut corners. This site is dedicated on my daughters birthday today, but is for all of you collectors out there and especially for those new to the field. There is no site like it in the world in my opinion. My eBay Info page will help many newbie's to the hobby and many of you will agree after viewing it, that it was about time something so detailed came along, which will help many new and veteran collectors. Though I have not listed any meteorites as of yet (shooting for first of the year) on my meteorite sales page, my format will be different then most of the dealers and sellers who already sell on their sites. I will not have the variety like they do. My plan is to only put up several type each couple of months. Those meteorites will be the rarest of the rare and hardest to acquire and or most historical. I posted about 5 months ago on my intentions of this website which is called Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders and wanted to thank those that contacted me with what I needed. I hope you will take the time to look over my site as it is very educational and the resources and tools will hopefully put me in your favorites! I designed this site for the new astronomer and new meteorite collector by using the many years I have involved with astronomy and meteorites and from the lessons I have learned. I hope my experience will suffice to all of you out there. Please feel free to pass my site along to those who you feel will gain from it. Hope you enjoy it and glad to finally have time to get back to the real world! My site address is below. Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed in for study/classificationor just disappeared mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story? Jeff? They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts. Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple... Eric On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Hi All, I was in two minds about sharing this with the list as I am usually with Darren on this sort of stuff...but I just had to tell this storyand I am a complete non believer in these sorts of things! When visiting my friend on his farm many years ago we were watching some builders doing work on the estate and to my surprise they were using wire divining rods to find the drains running from and around the property so that they knew where to dig to do repairs on them. We were both disbelievers in such things. Now my friend knew exactly where the drains ran under his lawn and tennis court and he had seen the men using them the day before and talked to them about itthey had shown him what to do and he had had a go but although they did cross over drains he could not come to terms with it as he knew where they were anyway, so thought that must influence them crossing in some way. He gave them to me and left me walking around the lawn and tennis court whilst he went and fed the cattle. I wandered around putting small pegs in the ground where I felt them crossI ended up with two lines across the lawn. When he returned he was very bemused as I was right on top of the two drainshe even showed me where they came out in the ditch on the edge. I had no idea where they would be. I still to this day cannot explain it apart from it just being chance or something else connected with the drains had influenced mebut we did look around to see what that might belike a dip in the ground or darker grass or similarbut we never figured anything out. I am still not convincedbut then again why did the builders/workmen use them if they do not work or helpthey would be digging lots of pointless holes and that would not be good for business??? One of those experiences that has always made me wonder. Graham UK On 13 October 2010 18:46, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:54:10 -0700, you wrote: I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Randi himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4 The ideomotor effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Hi Richard, Yes I am of a similar mind...not convinced but intrigued. The unexplained in this world is always intriguing and I suppose its what inspires the inquisitive mind, scientist, artist or just plain weirdo to look for their own answer. Keep up the good work, Cheers, Graham On 14 October 2010 00:10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting story Graham. I'm also not convinced by these claims and have never seen a truly uncorrupted experiment of these claims. The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. I may not remember all of the particulars exactly but I do remember that the experiment involved a number of dowsers, 5 covered or buried plastic pipes and several different types of fluids, all involving multiple runs. I know water and gasoline were two of the fluids and various runs had the fluids both static and flowing. Not unexpectedly, all of the results were random... All results with the exception of one. The dowsers were very obviously picking the correct pipe that contained flowing water. And I don't mean a slight increase in the statistics. It was strong positive result and an obvious anomaly in the data. Ever since then I've been intrigued by this result. Not convinced, but intrigued. Unfortunately at the end of the program, the not-so-amazing Randy manipulated his results to show no statistically significant positive in the results, even though they had shown just the opposite and the chart of the results behind him also showed that there was. It was at that moment that the not-so-amazing Randy lost all credibility as a debunker and all of his results must be just as suspect as those results he claims to be disproving. He proved to me he and his results are untrustworthy. I've certainly ignored him ever since then. I'm still waiting to see a real, double blind, uncorrupted experiment on this, several in fact, before I'm convinced that there is a real effect at work here. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor breaks up into three pieces
Excellent shot Richardoutstanding! Graham, UK - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor breaks up into three pieces I was at the Catalina Schmidt telescope last night. Meteors we flying, many apparently Draconids due to the peak of that shower. In several survey frames throughout the night meteors were visible. Not a rarity as we catch a few every night. Last night I had a spectacular meteor cross the field as it split into three parts. See the image here: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kowalski/interesting_events.html Enjoy -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
Hi Dave, I am not really sure what you are getting at when talking of check-lists of attributes defining professionals and scientists having to address questions by the general public/collector? I cannot see how the first would help anyone or how the second could ever be practical. What it comes down to is having confidence in who you buy from or deal with and trying to learn as much about the samples you wish to collect. There are very few options for the collector. In an ideal world it would be great to have your own equipment to verify what you get or have your own science contacts that could do that but that just isn't going to happen. There is not enough time and very little point in retesting small samples for individuals...it's just a waste of resources and not productive. Science benefits from new material being submitted by dealers and dealers then benefit from material being verified and classified. After that point you just have to choose dealers who have a good reputation that are selling that classified material with provenance. Otherwise there is no real substitute for having years of experience studying, looking at hundreds of samples of all types in collections, at shows, in books, online etc etc when it comes to choosing your purchases. It also depends on what your focus is when collecting meteorites..and there are many different collectorssome concentrate on micros, others planetary, types, aesthetic qualities etc etc. Science is important in some more than others. I, for instance, like nothing better than searching through a box of UNWA material at a show looking for something aesthetically pleasing, showing flight markings or an unusual shape or matrixsomething that may tell a story about it's flight through the atmosphereevidence of impact craters on sikhote alins.( I have even managed this by studying batches for sale on line) Knowing what to buy then just relies on your own experience. Regards, Graham On 9 October 2010 12:50, David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hi Graham UK, The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining what it means to be a professional meteorite dealer. The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see. That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible. One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members. Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details that don't always quite square-up, in my view. Science, at it's best, should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere mortals, don't you suppose? Verifiably yours, Dave Gunning Hi Dave, I think you will find in time that many of the most professional meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal professionally too but have other main professions not related to meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very occasionally. You may well have been contacted by 6 professional dealers but I would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and check out the archives. It takes a while I have found. I find the vast majority of people on the list are very professional as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after. Regards Graham UK IMCA#1835 On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hi All, After an initial responsive surge of 6 professional meteorite dealers to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up. Gone kaput. So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what, 950, or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite dealers, (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be a ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1% total of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to allow themselves as being such on the list. Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list. How cool is that? Thanks, Chummies! Dave Gunning
Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
Hi Dave, I think you will find in time that many of the most professional meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal professionally too but have other main professions not related to meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very occasionally. You may well have been contacted by 6 professional dealers but I would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and check out the archives. It takes a while I have found. I find the vast majority of people on the list are very professional as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after. Regards Graham UK IMCA#1835 On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hi All, After an initial responsive surge of 6 professional meteorite dealers to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up. Gone kaput. So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what, 950, or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite dealers, (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be a ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1% total of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to allow themselves as being such on the list. Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list. How cool is that? Thanks, Chummies! Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book
Hi All, Just had to share thiswhen this post came up after all the talk of eating meteorites I completely misread it and thought there was actually a new Meteorite CATERING book!!gave me a good laugh anyway. So anyone got any recipes to go with the Tucson Auction Cake? Perhaps we can put our own book together... Franconia Frangipane served in a Gold Basin with a side order of Tucson Ring doughnuts? Must be nearly lunchtime :-) Graham, Nr Bar-well! UK On 6 October 2010 02:13, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Anita and all I sent a post a few weeks ago about this publication. It can be purchased through The Geological Society of America for $99 and if you are a member of the GSA, it's only $70. 1-888-443-4472 This is just one of many reasons to join the GSA. If more meteorite collectors were members, we would have a better avenue, through the GSA, to change some of these vague laws for collecting space material. Dennis Miller GSA Associate Member Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:49:13 -0700 From: anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book Dear List: I received notice of this new book on cratering. It's a little pricey at $112.92, but here's the link if you're interested: http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page8278.html Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gigapan and Barratta Thin Section
Hi Ted, Great ideaamazing shots and wonderful to be able to pan around zooming in and out on all that detail. Look forward to seeing more. Cheers, Graham UK On 19 September 2010 10:42, ted brattstrom volcano...@yahoo.com wrote: Aloha - In concert with Bob Walker - of Queensland, and the person who takes the thin section images for him, I figured that, a series of images of a thin section could be stitched together using GigaPan, and presented for your enjoyment. These two are the first attempts, and are using the 20x image set. When I have some more free time :-) the 50x set will get stitched together, For those who haven't played with gigapan images, The cool part is you can do some serious zooming! since the overall image is made up of a number of high resolution images, the potential is good. In these cases, 16 images were joined up to make a 120MB image. The focus still needs to be worked on. That's over at the original image side of things :-) I hope the 50x ones are a bit crisper! If all goes well, we'll start a whole series of these! I'm looking forward to it. cheers - Ted Brattstrom Barratta - L4 (Handy Hint - Launch the Full Screen Viewer) xpol http://gigapan.org/gigapans/59099/ Normal http://gigapan.org/gigapans/59098/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Other hobbies?
Hi Ruben, Here's some more for your collection that you missed... ;-) chips, bread, rolls, lettuce, kale, bacon, coconuts, beans, fish, potatoes, bananas, buckaroos, bucks, fins, sawbucks, hundies, Jacksons, grands, Gs, K, smack, smackers, wampum, bills, moolah, means, checks, drafts, shrapnel, wads, plaster, bankroll, capital, finances, currency, funds, gold, stash, bundle, fortune, lucre, chump change, pin money, shekels, resources, boffo, ponies, doubloons, wherewithal, treasure, dibs, bits, dosh, pesos, bullets, coin, monkeys, silver, pelf, tender, scrip, pittance, guineas, gelt, bones, stake, pap, spondulicks, quids, pocket money, specie, jack, change, mite, king’s ransom, mint, paper, loonies, mazuma, pieces of eight, frogskins, long green, folding green, green, riches, rivets, big ones, banknotes, dead presidents, chits, scrilla, loot. Hope ypo've got a very secure display cabinet! Happy hunting, Graham, UK On 16 September 2010 19:01, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Other than meteorites I collect (in no particular order) Dollars Greenbacks Benjamin's C-Notes Clams Cabbage Cash Dough Scratch Somalians Mula Dinero Fedia and of course Cash! Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Other hobbies?
Interesting to see what diverse things other meteorite enthusiasts are intomy list... Mycologyparticularly collecting and eating wild mushrooms. (positive ID crucial!) All forms of Contemporary Arts, Crafts and Sculpture. Printing and drawing meteorite forms (a long term ongoing project...see me presenting one of my prints to Stephen Hawking here... http://www.derbyastronomy.org/HawkingVisit280508.htm - Other art projects here - www.g8artists.co.uk) Collecting Raku ceramics. Wood turning. Astronomy. Photography. Ichnology. Gardening. Travel. Graham UK IMCA #1835 On 15 September 2010 23:58, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Astronomy, observational (still to buy a real good telescope) Astronomy, theoretical (my professional beginnings with a thesis) Meteorite hardware, the real stuff (my passion for decades) Meteorite thin sections, the glass thing (my passion since 1992) Meteorite books, the many-pages-thing (my younger passion) Travelling (my all-time-passion) Satellite observing (hobby with 2 COSPAR stations 1969 - 1990s, now over) Good food, liquid: especially all sorts of beer, and single malt whiskies Good food, non-liquid: all local specialities, preferred mediterranean Feeling more sort of a lazy bone than a work-aholic, yet loving the job.. My wife Silvia, our dog Ronja, my cat Trixi - well you can´t really call these a hobby, rather they are an essential part of your own life (...and sometimes hard labo(u)r), yes!) :-) Alex Berlin/Germany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite from upstate New York
Hi All, Does anyone on the list know if there was a meteorite fall somewhere close to Watertown in upstate New York sometime in the first half of the 20th century. Just investigating an interesting story that has just been passed on to me. Graham UK IMCA #1835 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Irish meteor! You bet?
Hi All, Just been looking for more on the latest reports and found thisgave me a laugh anyway! http://betzoo.co.uk/meteorite-lands-in-ireland-when-will-the-precious-rock-will-be-found-and-will-traces-of-primitive-life-be-found-on-the-meteorite/ Graham UK IMCA #1835 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor shower meteorite dropping events
Hi Chris, There are many, many meteorites that fell during meteor showers as showers happen on a regular basis,e.g. Gemenids, Leonids, Persieds etc. etc. but that does not mean to say that the meteorite fall had any association with the shower. Graham, UK On 12 August 2010 04:59, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: I know of one meteor shower (November Andromedids) where an iron meteorite fell in Mazapil, Mexico during the shower. Are there any similar events? Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2008TC3 TV show
Hi All, Does anyone on the list know if the National Geographic prog about 2008TC3 has been uploaded anywhere on line anywhere that I can get it to watch? It has just been shown over here in the UK but not subscribing to that channel at the moment. Cheers, Graham UK, IMCA 1836 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil crater website
Hi All, Been having trouble posting to the list so this topic was a while back but finally Just uploaded some photos of my 1.2kg Gebel Kamil with evidence of remnant fusion crustthe only piece I could find in Ensisheim.anyone else found similar? Thanks for pointing out the website Gary...great pictures and a fantastic new one for the collection. Hope the link works...here. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/GEBEL%20KAMIL%20METEORITE/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil crater website
Does anyone know if the large Gebel Kamil main mass individual with regmaglypts was found on the surface or was buried and how close to the crater? Just thinking that the shrapnel pieces would have landed on the surface after exploding from the crater a a much lower velocity than individuals...thus individuals with character/crust are much more likely to be buried deeper and perhaps many more of them may be found with detectors at a later date/expedition. Perhaps there is a strewn field of these individuals associated with the crater similar to Sikhote Alin. Any thoughts anyone? Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test - delete
Test - delete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WI fall price...wow!
Yes...definitely the best deal for Almahatta Sitta from Anne and as she said its not an ordinary chondrite. Almahatta Sitta is probably one of the most important falls ever due to it's discovery, circumstances of fall, recovery and ongoing science. Also micro's nearly always sell for many times larger slices or individualsthat's why Steve's small part slices are selling for more per gram. I was commenting on Michaels hammer as an individual. No doubt if it ever gets sliced it will sell for even more per gram...even though it is an ordinary chondrite which happens to have hit something. I know I would rather spend my money on the Almahatta Sitta or a large classified Bassikounou or something similar with a great character that displays well. Then that goes down to personal preference. If you collect hammers than I suppose it may be a bargain. Each collector has their own focus. Regards, Graham, UK impact...@aol.com wrote: You should have bought it from me! $40.00 would get you a 0.03g fragment, 2 1/2 bigger. And only $1333.33/g. And it is not an ordinary chondrite! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 5/9/2010 8:15:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com writes: Heck, I just paid $.00/gr for an Almahatta Sitta!!! (i.e. $40.00 for a 12mg frag or $3.33/mg x 1000 = $.00/gr)!!! Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI fall price...wow! Graham and List, This is not the highest price. Right after the fall Steve Arnold sold 17 pieces of this same material at an average price of $244.74 per gram. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonham's auction
Hi Kieron, All, Looks to me like one of the Martian individuals going around that can be purchased at a much lower price because it has not been put through its paces and properly classified and paired with that number or all the other numbers I have seen. The presentation looks really crude too...badly photoshopped label and knifed hole. I wonder what provenance has been checked buy the auctioneers? Graham, UK Kieron Heard kieron.he...@ukonline.co.uk wrote: Hello Folks, Here is an interesting one - an NWA meteorite from the Mohave Desert! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/7690889/Pi ctures-of-the-day-7-May-2010.html?image=17 A visit to Bonham's website confirmed that the name should read NWA 4857. Even then I am a little confused - the stone being auction is described as whole and fusion crusted, with a mass of 3.64g, but the MetSoc database describes NWA 4857 as a single stone of 24g. Something doesn't add up. Regards, Kieron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WI fall price...wow!
Highest price I have seen so far...amazing what difference being a 'hammer' makes! Great find Michael. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466135832ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1123 I'm amazed that some of the farmers/locals out there havn't tried putting some of their own on ebay...perhaps they will if they see this? Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Hi Sterling, Larry,, There should be plenty of universities over there willing to have a go at that. I have access to one over here at a small local uni who are always willing to let me put samples through. Graham, UK Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, Larry, List, Well, you can only tell so much by looking, either in pictures or in person. It's so tiny that testing must seem certain to destroy it, but I think there's a way. A SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope) Microprobe using the data from the back- scattered electrons can detect and measure the elemental composion of the surface the probe is looking at. In other words, it's possible to determine its composition non-destructively. A tiny scratch down to bare metal and you're there. I have no idea where or who you could get to do it, but in years past, I have heard Listees talking about having it done (or doing it). Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list?
Hi All, There have recently been several posts with links to photographs posted on facebook. These links never seem to work for me as I am not on facebook and it just asks for you to log in. I do not intend to join face book but enjoy seeing folks pictures. Does anyone have any advice on accessing these or to those posting the pictures so that they are viewable by allI believe there is a way to provide such a link. Sites like photobucket seem a much better way of hosting pictures than facebook perhaps? Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list?
Hi Richard, All, Although Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men posted a link to his facebook account not long ago and I was able to view all his offers...infact purchased a few. I recently went back in the met list archives and the link still worked? e.g. http://www.facebook.com/pages/SteveArnoldMeteorites/116030671746928?v=wall So it can be done. Cheers, Graham Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Graham, as far as I can tell, even if the user has the album marked Everyone this only means everyone who has a Facebook account. IOW, if you don't have a FB account, you can't view the images. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 5/5/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list? To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:49 PM Hi All, There have recently been several posts with links to photographs posted on facebook. These links never seem to work for me as I am not on facebook and it just asks for you to log in. I do not intend to join face book but enjoy seeing folks pictures. Does anyone have any advice on accessing these or to those posting the pictures so that they are viewable by allI believe there is a way to provide such a link. Sites like photobucket seem a much better way of hosting pictures than facebook perhaps? Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Making a photo album public on Facebook
Great Richard, Glad that you posted that to the listmore chance of me being able to see those space rocks. Below...Not exactly on topicbut then there is 'Cat Mountain' :-) Nice cat pictures...we have 3 Abyssinians. One rather posh one called Imperial Grand Champion Wavetail Domino picture of him on this page... http://www.raccs.co.uk/Members/ImperialCats.htm Cheers, Graham, UK Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: I found it. Here's what the Facebook FAQ says: How do I share my albums with people who do not use Facebook? When you are viewing your album, you will see a public link at the b... When you are viewing your album, you will see a public link at the bottom of the page. Sending this link to friends or posting it on a website will allow everyone who clicks on it to view that album. Remember, this link will always work, even if you add photos or change your album privacy settings. So, if you have meteorite photos to share, create an album, load the images and then post the link that is at the bottom of the page when you are viewing the album. I don't have any meteorite photos to share, but I'll post a link to the album of our cats, Sydney and Dharma, as an example. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019213id=1350196047l=d8fe7c5128 That should work. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Barwell logo
Hi All, On a recent look around the Barwell strewnfield we recently noticed that the local council had paid tribute to the Barwell fall by incorporating an appropriate image into their newest logothought a few of you with pieces of one of the most famous hammers might be interested. Photos here http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Barwell/?action=viewcurrent=P1080532.jpg http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Barwell/?action=viewcurrent=P1080531.jpg http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Barwell/?action=viewcurrent=P1080533.jpg http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Barwell/?action=viewcurrent=BpclogoRgb.jpg Also if any of you want to take a road trip around Arizona around the time of the Tucson show there are many images of the amazing landscapes out there in a couple of the other albums. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Arizona%2010/ http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Arizona%2010/Arizona10%20Part2/ Graham E, UK IMCA 1835 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Looks like a made up fake to me, modeled out of some material such as groggy brick clay/iron oxides and fired. The ragmaglypts do not look natural. Graham, UK Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: That line is interesting. I personally lean towards a slag. There are actually quite a few vesicles through the surface and if you have a look near the top-right corner there is a broken spot on the exterior revealing what appears to be a vesicle-filled and non-metallic interior. But it is hard to tell for sure from such a small pic. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Fwd: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com I've seen this before, too. A close look revealed a very strange texturing on its top left surface -- and take a look at that nice horizontal seam running all the way around it. Regards, Jason On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
That should help the relationship between the farmers and hunters thenespecially if they work out the price per gram as you have or follow the posts on this list! I think the landowners will take quite a lot of persuading that it is very unlikely that larger pieces will sell for this price per gram. Graham, UK Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve's first auction just closed at around $538.00 per gram. 0.117 sample closed at $63.00 I wonder if it comes with a free hunting demo from Jeff and a fruit basket at Christmas time? :) Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:28:28 -0400 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; meteoritefin...@gmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale I already offered Ruben $5. He said thanks. Guido -Original Message- From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Apr 24, 2010 2:57 PM To: Ruben Garcia , Mike Miller Cc: Meteorite-list , Brian Cox Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Hi Ruben, I'm sure if it was a private sale and the cost price per gram was not revealed then that would not upset any one...so I shouldn't worry. I could solve the whole problem for you and those still out there though. I'll buy the stone you showed for $5/g and we can make sure it gets really well known out in Livingstone...then everybody will be happy ;-) Great work by the way Ruben/Hopper Cheers, Graham, UK Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos:
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Hi Ruben, I'm sure if it was a private sale and the cost price per gram was not revealed then that would not upset any one...so I shouldn't worry. I could solve the whole problem for you and those still out there though. I'll buy the stone you showed for $5/g and we can make sure it gets really well known out in Livingstone...then everybody will be happy ;-) Great work by the way Ruben/Hopper Cheers, Graham, UK Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Excellent Jeff, now that's what the list should be about and not wasting room in my in box with messages replying to fanatics who would more likely go away if ignored. Graham, UK -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2010 8:54 AM To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elemantary School Boy Finds Meteorite in his schoolyard!!
Fantastic story...you couldn't make it up. Just the fact that they all got together and and took the time out to do the presentation in the middle of the hunt with the school and cameras was greatbut to finish off with one of the pupils finding a meteorite too...amazing. Graham, UK Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: After a presentation at a elementary school located within the Livingston strewnfield, the kids headed outside for recess. One boy actually found a meteorite while the TV cameras were still there. Watch the story here: http://tinyurl.com/27urhqj Now THAT is cool! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remarkable Photos of Natural Shock Waves
Hi Count, All, Wow...Best shock wave pics I've seen...but probably not the first...see here... http://i.livescience.com/images/090622-matua-volcano-02.jpg (condensation shock collar plus local cloud driven out by shocked air) http://news.discovery.com/earth/visible-shock-wave-rocks-japanese-volcano-in-sl o-mo.html Regards Graham,UK countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Listees, These photos are the believed to be the first taken of shockwaves cause by the acceleration of terrestial material by natural forces. They speak to an associative comparison with man made explosions and of course those that might be created by an impactor. Fascinating. No? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c99_1271794490 Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Impact Crater - Nevada?
Hi Count, Looks to me like you could be on to something there. When you look at it in 3d elevation and spin around it in google earth it seems to have a raised rim and possibly even a double ring structure from further out. Perhaps worth collecting some rocks and have someone look for shocked quartz. Good luck, Graham, UK countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Gentlemen and Ladies of the List, Especially those of you interested in, or experienced in impact craters. I came across this feature yesterday while planning a field trip to a nearby area. I have been on the ground in this location several times, but wasn't aware of it's circular and elevated confirmation until looking on Google. 37°55'19.81N 115° 9'30.56W Comments? Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection
A bigger cabinet? :-) Graham UK Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Hi listees and meteorite addicts, A $1 Million Dollar challenge. Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an extra $1 Million to spend on your meteorite collection. What do you buy? Have fun... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite fake but Rare!!
Now you really have to laugh don't you? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140396975709 Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Signal Mountain (IVA), Baja California
Hi Bob, Just found a link to the pictures you wanted..plus lots more...amazing. Must have been terrifying. Here... http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0Number=1790955an=0page=0 Graham, UK Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: On Easter Sunday afternoon Moni Waiblinger and myself were hiking in the Yuha Desert near Ocotillo (just north of the US-Mexican Border) when the M~7.1 earthquake struck south of Mexicali. You couldn't be any closer to the epicenter and still be in the US. Needless to say, this was the strongest earthquake that I've experienced. But what I saw AFTER the quake was equally amazing. Clouds of dust were rising up from most of the canyons in the nearby mountains, the result of rock-falls and possible landslides. The mountain to the south of us in Baja (which I call Signal Mountain) was covered in a cloud of dust. Images of this phenomenon were shown on the local San Diego TV News stations (still looking for a link of this image - my images were too obscured by dust). I'm wondering where the Signal Mountain iron meteorite was actually found, and whether these recent rock falls might possibly unearth additional masses of this iron? -- Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Earthquakes and volcanoes
Hi Bjorn, Cars seem to be driving dangerously close to it, or is that just an illusion? Graham, UK Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no wrote: Notice, btw that this is _live_ video. You can also choose two alternative views further away on the left side. These vents are currently situated right between two fairly large mountaintop glaciers in southern Iceland - at 1000 m asl. The scientists think that the eruption with time will move to the eastern one of these - Myrdalsjøkul. This will trigger a large flooding event that will treathen one or more villages on the coast there, and at the same time break the main road around Iceland. Exciting times on Iceland... Bjørn Sørheim The only URL that works for me is this one: http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/ Very nice video. For fans of new volcanoes, I suggest video of the Paricutin volcano of Mexico, which erupted in a flat corn field in 1943: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin Here's news reel footage from three days after the eruption when the cinder cone mountain was 1200 feet high (it's 1400 feet now): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjKmFvBD6khttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjKmFvBD6k Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Signal Mountain (IVA), Baja California
Looks like similar rockfalls and dust clouds on Mars too..! amazing shot... http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016423_2640 Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: On Easter Sunday afternoon Moni Waiblinger and myself were hiking in the Yuha Desert near Ocotillo (just north of the US-Mexican Border) when the M~7.1 earthquake struck south of Mexicali. You couldn't be any closer to the epicenter and still be in the US. Needless to say, this was the strongest earthquake that I've experienced. But what I saw AFTER the quake was equally amazing. Clouds of dust were rising up from most of the canyons in the nearby mountains, the result of rock-falls and possible landslides. The mountain to the south of us in Baja (which I call Signal Mountain) was covered in a cloud of dust. Images of this phenomenon were shown on the local San Diego TV News stations (still looking for a link of this image - my images were too obscured by dust). I'm wondering where the Signal Mountain iron meteorite was actually found, and whether these recent rock falls might possibly unearth additional masses of this iron? -- Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Into Clock Tower!
Amazing...and on April 1st too!!! :-) Thomas Webb webb...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.stratfordpress.co.nz/local/news/meteorite-crashes-into-clock-tower/3911990/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] your new lunar is a howardite
Hey Marcin, Great fun! Beautiful insidewill you have some at Ensisheim? I thin the clue for the April Fools Day joke was in the Fall Date you added to the picture - 01.04.10 Not sure our friends in Morocco know the significance of April Fools Day. :-) Graham, UK Marcin Cimala - PolandMET mar...@meteoryt.net wrote: marcin are you kiding, this is a howardite we have in morroco this months aziz Oh noo, noo, I have spend 40 000 for this lunar!!! Hehehehe Looks like Jeff lose his monopoly for Monthly Favorite. This month, Monthly Favorite Morocco Meteorite is Howardite !!! Heh, yes ofcourse its my new baby EUC/HOW. Its really beautifull complete black crusted specimen. I have cut it tooday morning becouse I need sample for thin section. Inside its really stunning. Thats why I love eucrites, they are most beautifull :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Hi I think I have new Lunar. http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/P0023026.JPG Happy Holidays :D -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] font style=BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40; face=comic sans mshabibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 31, 2010
Wow! Marcin, what a fantastic Camel Donga...one of the most extremely oriented pieces I've ever seenso frothy on the back it looks more like slag. Excellent photo. All the best, Graham, UK Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_31_2010.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
This just goes to show how bogus reports get into the news after so called experts are consulted. The biggest clue that it was not a meteorite was surely the scorched grass and the long skid mark along the grass instead of an impact pit. cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Adam, What kind of Tar is it?? Too funny. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320dat=19930815id=J-8RIBAJsjid=H-sDIBAJpg=4008,4347655 -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, The four million dollar meteorite showed up that I mentioned yesterday. The sad thing is that these people actually convince themselves that these are real meteorites and that they are worth millions. This guy thinks his is exactly like Sonny's find that he saw on TV, only bigger. He says that he did his research, went to the neighborhood and found it, figuring a professional must have missed it. He wrote to me that he sealed it in a coffee can and smelled it a couple of days later. He stated that he could detect the unmistakable smell of Murchinson that only carbon type meteorites give off. I believe this object is made out of tar and that is what he is smelling or he has been sniffing the sauce (drinking too much alcohol). Either way, this is another heartbreak in the making. Now, I have the unpleasant task of returning it to him with the bad news that he is not the latest millionaire and that the funds for his granddaughter's medical bills will have to come from somewhere else.. Here are some images for those who may be interested: Link one: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg Link two: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
This just goes to show how bogus reports get into the news after so called experts are consulted. The biggest clue that it was not a meteorite was surely the scorched grass and the long skid mark along the grass instead of an impact pit. cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Adam, What kind of Tar is it?? Too funny. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320dat=19930815id=J-8RIBAJsjid=H-sDIBAJpg=4008,4347655 -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, The four million dollar meteorite showed up that I mentioned yesterday. The sad thing is that these people actually convince themselves that these are real meteorites and that they are worth millions. This guy thinks his is exactly like Sonny's find that he saw on TV, only bigger. He says that he did his research, went to the neighborhood and found it, figuring a professional must have missed it. He wrote to me that he sealed it in a coffee can and smelled it a couple of days later. He stated that he could detect the unmistakable smell of Murchinson that only carbon type meteorites give off. I believe this object is made out of tar and that is what he is smelling or he has been sniffing the sauce (drinking too much alcohol). Either way, this is another heartbreak in the making. Now, I have the unpleasant task of returning it to him with the bad news that he is not the latest millionaire and that the funds for his granddaughter's medical bills will have to come from somewhere else.. Here are some images for those who may be interested: Link one: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg Link two: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Hi Steve, Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for sharing. Graham, UK Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings List, It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 Enjoy, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Testing again, ...
Hi Bernd, Welcome backwe missed you! Cheers, Graham, UK bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: .. because I can hardly believe I got through to the List after several months. Sorry for double testing! Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 19, 2010...vugs/gasses?
Hi Frank, michael,all, Nice slice. Looking at the impact melt there appears to be some sort of vug exposed. Just made me wonder if any work has ever been done on such vugs in meteorites. It seems to me that they are likely to contain gasses formed during impact in space...especially in fresh falls. I imagine that collecting such gasses would be problematic as it would be difficult to locate vugs until the meteorite is cutbut surly we could learn something new from such samples. Early work on martian meteorites did do analysis on gasses that matched the martian atmosphere so?. Anyone care to comment, or know any more about this subject. Cheers, Graham, UK Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_19_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
It's just so simple to understand why sniping is likely to get you the best price...just an obvious thing to do! Just keep it quiet Tomthe less people that understand sniping the more bargains for us.. ;-) Graham starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free. Shawn Alan I don't think you get it! Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:15:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photoph...@yahoo.com writes: Hello Listers, My understanding with bidding on eBay is if your the top bidder you win. If you use a spiner program you don't win unless your the top bidder. Spiner programs make it easy for you to put your bid in and leave and not worry about sitting at the computer and waisting time while you can be hunting for meteorites. Lastly, just because someone snips in at the last seconds doesn't mean they will win, it just means they bid at the last seconds and if they are the top bidder they win and if not you win, easy as apple pie. But again, isn't eBay like a snipper program. Your able to put in your top bid and eBay on your behalf will increase your bid till your out bid by another eBayer or your the winner because you felt that the price you set was fair at what your wiling to pay. All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Santiago del Estero - Campo?
Hi Mike, Santiago del Estero is one of the provinces that the Campo strewn field crosses...the other is Chaco. Supposedly meteorites from that province are..or were.. legal to sell/export...but not sure since all the changes recently see here... http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Vedettes/campodelcielo_a.html Hope that helps... Graham E, UK Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Has anyone ever heard of an iron from Argentina called Santiago del Estero ? This seller is offering several shattered-crystal type iron specimens (that look like Campo) and they are being offered as Santiago del Estero iron meteorite, and the price is $1/gram. Is this seller misinformed, or am I misinformed? I check the Met Bulletin, and there is no record of Santiago del Estero. http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-METEORITE-specimen-63-grams_W0QQitemZ190380407137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c538e7961 Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Probable new impact crater
Just seen this...big one! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8526093.stm Graham E, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 10, 2010
That's an unusual looking Jilin?...My piece (and most other pieces I have seen) have a very distinct light grey fusion crust. Is this piece a later weathered find that has been cleaned up perhaps...great shape though. Graham E, UK Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_10_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene
I know it was slightly off topic...but beautiful video...what a great encounter. Thanks for sharing, Graham E cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: On a lighter side. It seems different ages may be related. Just a guess here. http://www.wimp.com/babymoose/ -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Eric, I can't find anything rude in my post, neither I intended to mock you. I used the raindrop analogy for three reasons. Your idea was, that two meteorites hit ground in almost the same place in a period of 11 years and they are of the same petrologic type. These coincidences seem so strong, that one tends to say, that those were no independent events. It's about unlikelinesses. So. If someone tells you. I'll climb to an altitude of some 1000 feet with a pipette. And there I let fall two single drops. And the drops will splash on exactly the same spot on the ground - then one would tend to say: That's impossible! Secondly I chose the raindrop analogy, because it takes place in the atmosphere. If your idea would be right, then Earth and the second meteorite have to meet geometrically exactly in the same place in space (and space is somewhat large and Earth and meteorid really small) like with the first meteorite, a question of fractions of seconds, as we talk about speeds of many miles per second, and also little Weatherfield or the point of the entry in the atmosphere has to be seen the rotation of the Earth around its axes, just in the same place. Well and there I say, we don't need to think even about orbits of Earth, debris streams, resonances ect. Why? Because alone the factors which influence the atmospheric passage of these both meteorids cause such a scatter, that even if both meteorids entered atmosphere at the very same point, in the very right moment, with the same angle and speed, that they will not fall down so closely to each other. Because the bodies have different flight dynamics, depending on their mass and shape. Air pressures and wind is a factor. The height of a break up, the point of retardation, when it's slowed down and the free fall starts. These are all factors already sufficient, to make it highly unlikely that these two falls belong together. Maybe also for a third reason I used the raindrops, this time in an opposite way. The raindrop hits the other only because there are so many drops falling. I think, or at least I haven't the imagination of an asteroid family or Earth-crosser stream being dense. And I think one can't compare such a stream with e.g. the cometary dust streams, which causes the periodical meteor streams, when Earth crosses them on its annual path around the Earth. ...and even those aren't fairly dense, if you remember, that the best annual meteor streams generate only a few dozens of shooting stars per hour for the observer at their maxima. Also the asteroid belt is btw. quite empty - at least emptier as it is usually shown in the animations on TV, where large lumps are floating through space like a flock of sheep. If you imagine, that on such a huge volume of space, the asteroid belt comprises, a total mass of only 5% of our Moon - (and that half of that mass is contained already in the four largest objects of the asteroid belt. Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea) - then I'd say, that even the asteroid belt is quite a void space. Well, and as Captain Blood said - it isn't uncommon, that in a relatively small place different meteorites are found. - all these Name + (a), (b), (c), (d)... designations in the Bulletin. Or think about the places, where Sonny and the Count are hunting meteorites to cause hefty depressions among the other meteorite collectors :-) Or take the DaG-Meteorites and Oman, because they have coordinates. In what for small areas thousands of different original falls were found. Those deserts record a longer fall history; up to 50,000 years is the range of the terrestrial ages there - still a very short period of time, if you remember, that such a meteorite from the day it had been whacked off from his parent body, usually floats several million years around the sun, until it will be caught by Earth. Anyway, there are also other coincidences than geographical ones. Thuathe and Kilabo felt both o 21th of July 2002. (One is H4/5 the other an LL6). And Pribram and Neuschwanstein shared the same orbit. But one is a H5, the other a EL6. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Montag, 8. März 2010 03:04 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene I was going to stay closed mouth since I opened it a few hours ago and got my theory handed
Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene
I know it was slightly off topic...but beautiful video...what a great encounter. Thanks for sharing, Graham E cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: On a lighter side. It seems different ages may be related. Just a guess here. http://www.wimp.com/babymoose/ -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Eric, I can't find anything rude in my post, neither I intended to mock you. I used the raindrop analogy for three reasons. Your idea was, that two meteorites hit ground in almost the same place in a period of 11 years and they are of the same petrologic type. These coincidences seem so strong, that one tends to say, that those were no independent events. It's about unlikelinesses. So. If someone tells you. I'll climb to an altitude of some 1000 feet with a pipette. And there I let fall two single drops. And the drops will splash on exactly the same spot on the ground - then one would tend to say: That's impossible! Secondly I chose the raindrop analogy, because it takes place in the atmosphere. If your idea would be right, then Earth and the second meteorite have to meet geometrically exactly in the same place in space (and space is somewhat large and Earth and meteorid really small) like with the first meteorite, a question of fractions of seconds, as we talk about speeds of many miles per second, and also little Weatherfield or the point of the entry in the atmosphere has to be seen the rotation of the Earth around its axes, just in the same place. Well and there I say, we don't need to think even about orbits of Earth, debris streams, resonances ect. Why? Because alone the factors which influence the atmospheric passage of these both meteorids cause such a scatter, that even if both meteorids entered atmosphere at the very same point, in the very right moment, with the same angle and speed, that they will not fall down so closely to each other. Because the bodies have different flight dynamics, depending on their mass and shape. Air pressures and wind is a factor. The height of a break up, the point of retardation, when it's slowed down and the free fall starts. These are all factors already sufficient, to make it highly unlikely that these two falls belong together. Maybe also for a third reason I used the raindrops, this time in an opposite way. The raindrop hits the other only because there are so many drops falling. I think, or at least I haven't the imagination of an asteroid family or Earth-crosser stream being dense. And I think one can't compare such a stream with e.g. the cometary dust streams, which causes the periodical meteor streams, when Earth crosses them on its annual path around the Earth. ...and even those aren't fairly dense, if you remember, that the best annual meteor streams generate only a few dozens of shooting stars per hour for the observer at their maxima. Also the asteroid belt is btw. quite empty - at least emptier as it is usually shown in the animations on TV, where large lumps are floating through space like a flock of sheep. If you imagine, that on such a huge volume of space, the asteroid belt comprises, a total mass of only 5% of our Moon - (and that half of that mass is contained already in the four largest objects of the asteroid belt. Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea) - then I'd say, that even the asteroid belt is quite a void space. Well, and as Captain Blood said - it isn't uncommon, that in a relatively small place different meteorites are found. - all these Name + (a), (b), (c), (d)... designations in the Bulletin. Or think about the places, where Sonny and the Count are hunting meteorites to cause hefty depressions among the other meteorite collectors :-) Or take the DaG-Meteorites and Oman, because they have coordinates. In what for small areas thousands of different original falls were found. Those deserts record a longer fall history; up to 50,000 years is the range of the terrestrial ages there - still a very short period of time, if you remember, that such a meteorite from the day it had been whacked off from his parent body, usually floats several million years around the sun, until it will be caught by Earth. Anyway, there are also other coincidences than geographical ones. Thuathe and Kilabo felt both o 21th of July 2002. (One is H4/5 the other an LL6). And Pribram and Neuschwanstein shared the same orbit. But one is a H5, the other a EL6. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Montag, 8. März 2010 03:04 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene I was going to stay closed mouth since I opened it a few hours ago and got my theory handed
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites and Humidity: Some Questions . . .
Hi Gracie, I sympathise as the UK is not the driest of places and I can't resist irons and pallasites. I try and tackle the problem from as many angles as possible and am still working on improving things after the trauma of seeing early pallasites as a pile of rust and olivine after being rather naive in the beginning. My main angle of attack is to keep them at a constant temperature in a glass cabinet (as you say, they do need to be 'Admire'd...pardon the pun). I keep the temperature constant by just leaving the lighting on constantly which works well. I am still working on making the cabinet more air tight and considering some other smaller better cabinets for the more unstable pieces. I also use several rechargeable silica gel units that can be recharged by plugging them in out of the cabinet and rotating them in sequence when the blue indicator crystals turn pink. These are the plastic units that make sure the silica does not get near your meteorites and are made to hang in damp wardrobes. I have had problems with silica gel bags in riker mounts actually getting damp and helping to rust the contents. Similar units here... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rechargeable-wireless-dehumidifier_W0QQitemZ200444502184QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories?hash=item2eab6c60a8 I use Vapour Phase Corrosion Inhibitor methods aswell. There are various sprays similar to WD40 around that contain in addition VCIs which have worked well for me...I use small amounts of this to clean and coat polished/etched pieces. I avoid hard coatings as they nearly always let some moisture in that then creeps throughout. Unstable pallasites are the most difficult to me as adding anything oily can change the colour of the olivines. Stones seem to be ok just being kept dry...don't use anything oily on them! I also use VCI paper which is used in industry to wrap such things as tools in shipping to protect them from rust...the vapour given off coats the objects in all areas and repels the moisture. I cut up stips, fold them up and put them hidden in the back of the small gem boxes, rikers etc. They have to be replaced once in a while. You can get sponge emitters to put in cabinets, but I have never bothered with thosebut they may help with pallasites. The big old irons/Campos etc have had the galvanic treatment and I have a couple that I think I will soak in a caustic solution to extract the chlorides for a while soon as they continue to ooze small droplets. Hope some of that helps. Moving to the desert may help and then you can hunt for 28lb lumps like Guido too...that an option I am tempted by. :-) Regards, Graham E, UK gracie gra...@sheverb.com wrote: Hello Met List! Quick background info: About six or eight months ago, I began a meteorite collection. (I am so completely hooked.) I store them primarily in Riker boxes and some in the jewel cases they arrived in. I live in north central Florida and except for my air conditioned home, I don't have the meteorites in any other climate controlled container or cabinet. I'm noticing a few of the irons (Miles especially) and one or two of the stony irons to appear a little rustier than when they arrived. I've read the good information here (http://www.meteoritemarket.com/preserv.htm), but still have some questions. Given my location, is it unreasonable for me to expect that simply purchasing (and consistently replacing) desiccant for each Riker box and jewel box will stave off rust? I love having my meteorites on display and the notion of squirreling them away in airtight tupperware makes me sad. That being said, I would prefer to protect them than have them ruined by humidity. There are a number of places I can purchase desiccant online. Is there a preferred or recommended location? Finally, is a kit like this worth my time and money? http://www.bhigr.com/store/product.php?productid=453 Thanks so much for your help! Gracie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Way To Go Count!!!!!!!!!!
Just fantastic Guido, I felt like jumping around the kitchen and celebrating out out here in the UK. Never got to meet you this year in Tucson...perhaps next time or in Ensisheim? Congratulations, Graham E, Nr Barwell UK countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Can you imagine the feelings that course through you when your on your first full day of hunting after 10 months of study and you have to dig with your hands to unearth this 28 pounder? Your first meteorite? I almost messed myself. I am emboldened now to say that I have graduated and I, for one, will no longer refer to myself as a newbie. My best wishes to everyone who shares the obsession with these visitors from space. Thank you Sonny. Guido -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net Sent: Mar 3, 2010 9:45 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Way To Go Count!! Holy cow! Nice one guys and to The CountIs it in the city limits? Really nice find, congratu-frickin-lations. Must have been something to find that peak and have to keep digging and digging and digging Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] I hate Count (Guido) Diero ! : ) Hi List, I bet you could call this beginners luck. I took Guido out meteorite hunting. I turned left and he turned right. To check out what he found scroll to the bottom of the meteorite hunts page. More to come later. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/METEORITE_HUNTS.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
Meatyorites? Graham, UK Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: Just think: if they had a fishion crust, everyone would have dinner cooked Cajun or (blackened) style. Greg S. From: meteorh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:54:40 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky All, Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote Australian desert town: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Great example of a Taza meteorite used as an ancient tool here...photo from Dr Svend Buhl's site. Since Ensisheim last year this piece now sits proudly in my own collection. 3rd meteorite down on this page.. http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung_12.htm Graham E, UK Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Of course the Tucson Ring was used as an anvil. http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_TUCSON.HTM -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:46 AM List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens
Hi All, Thanks Martin for bringing up this subject...very interesting to see what the general consensus is. Arnaud...I agree that we would not want lots of numbers covering historical stones...but I don't think that would happen. If you had a stone with a Huss or any other number then there is no need to add other numbers anyway...the existing historic number is fine and can be logged alongside any numbers for your other meteorites. I too have been worried about curating my collection as it grows and am leaning towards adding numbers to specimens large enough that may leave their containers or get parted from their cards. Regards, Graham E, UK The Tricottet Collection tricottetc...@live.com wrote: Hello, I would like to disagree with everyone here. If we all start painting numbers on meteorites, in 2-3 generations, all specimens will be full of useless graffiti - who will know which number matches which minor collection? So the problem would remain exactly the same. When I say minor, I mean not a lot of people have a collection which can be compared to a Nininger, Monnig or any national museum collection! And with time, with more maturity, what if you find your inventory numbering system inefficient, what if you decide to change it? Personally I will never paint anything on my collection specimens. I prefer to take 1 or more pictures per specimen + weight + other important characteristics, label them and keep then in different boxes. Just my opinion, Best, Arnaud The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:52:34 + From: msgmeteori...@googlemail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens Hi Ed, Svend, Jason, all, Very good points indeed and interesting reading. Theres a lot to chew over there but looks like i may be taking the plunge and starting the process at some point. Thanks very much for all your considered and informative replies Regards Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens
Hi All, Thanks Martin for bringing up this subject...very interesting to see what the general consensus is. Arnaud...I agree that we would not want lots of numbers covering historical stones...but I don't think that would happen. If you had a stone with a Huss or any other number then there is no need to add other numbers anyway...the existing historic number is fine and can be logged alongside any numbers for your other meteorites. I too have been worried about curating my collection as it grows and am leaning towards adding numbers to specimens large enough that may leave their containers or get parted from their cards. Regards, Graham E, UK The Tricottet Collection tricottetc...@live.com wrote: Hello, I would like to disagree with everyone here. If we all start painting numbers on meteorites, in 2-3 generations, all specimens will be full of useless graffiti - who will know which number matches which minor collection? So the problem would remain exactly the same. When I say minor, I mean not a lot of people have a collection which can be compared to a Nininger, Monnig or any national museum collection! And with time, with more maturity, what if you find your inventory numbering system inefficient, what if you decide to change it? Personally I will never paint anything on my collection specimens. I prefer to take 1 or more pictures per specimen + weight + other important characteristics, label them and keep then in different boxes. Just my opinion, Best, Arnaud The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:52:34 + From: msgmeteori...@googlemail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens Hi Ed, Svend, Jason, all, Very good points indeed and interesting reading. Theres a lot to chew over there but looks like i may be taking the plunge and starting the process at some point. Thanks very much for all your considered and informative replies Regards Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens
Hi Jeff A universal system sounds a great idea. Infact in many ways all the NWA numbers, Sahara etc could be used as is, with extra numbers for 'named' meteorites. Graham Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: I would tend to agree with Arnaud and I don't think everyone painting their own numbers is a good idea... at all! It would seem that identity is the driving factor here and the only way it would work is if there was a standard system. You would only need one common number for each meteorite. So say the number for Kilabo (LL6) is 12307. Anyone who needed to adopt a numbering system on their meteorites could just have 12307 painted on. You don't need anything else. Weights, descriptions, features, etc, etc are all secondary and can still be maintained in a database. But if that is lost, those details can still be determined by anyone at a later date... at least the meteorite is still identified. Who does the numbering system? The Meteoritical Society. They already sort of do in their online database. I'm sure something official could be implemented if something like this was needed. FYI: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=12307 Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: The Tricottet Collection tricottetc...@live.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens Hello Arnaud, All, I agree with you - to an extent. While we have inked many of our specimens, we have never sold a single meteorite (and the few we've traded were never marked). With so many collectors buying, selling, and trading collection pieces, I can easily visualize the numbering situation getting far out of control. But...an issue still remains. I can easily remember the 174 gram stone that was on ebay no more than a few months back - that was from a witnessed fall in Northwest Africa, but that didn't have a name because the buyer (and his supplier - I asked) had forgotten its name. If the collector who had originally purchased said meteorite had numbered it and kept his records straight, that individual wouldn't have lost its identity. It is now a fresh unclassified NWA stone. At least, that's what it sold as on ebay So...there's something of a dilemma. Yes, stones shouldn't me overmarked. But we have the opportunity to ensure that stones will not be misnamed or misplaced. And that's where the judgement call must happen; people shouldn't inherently mark their meteorites with collection numbers, because, well, it can't be undone. But at the same time, people know how well they keep track of things; if they know that they're that disorganized, perhaps they should go and draw on their meteorites. If it's the only way they can be sure of keeping track of their collection with 110% certainty, I would say that they should go ahead and do it. I've seen more than one meteorite go miscataloged and lose its identity; it was enough for me to say that the person who allowed it to happen was grossly negligent, and didn't have the *right* to curate such scientifically important items. After all, when all we are is a temporary steward to a rock that's held its identity for more than four and a half billion years, who are we to misplace its label and effectively erase its terrestrial history. Hence my two-mindedness. I think that, yes, if everyone numbers their meteorites, there will be problems - unless, of course, there is a universal system off of which numbers can be derived. But that's not going to happen. And at the same time, I think that our current system of doing things is inadequate; meteorites are being honestly misnamed and misplaced in such a way that they lose their identities. That simply shouldn't happen. Ever. We have brains that are more than capable of ensuring that it doesn't happen, so the fact that it does only goes to show that keeping such things straight simply isn't a priority. So...I would advocate having meteorites with multiple numbers on them. I'd rather have a meteorite with a known identity - with three numbers on it - than a meteorite with no identity and no numbers on it. Hell, I'd rather have ten meteorites with five numbers on them than a thirty meteorites without names. Or a hundred. After all, they'd be completely worthless. Just my opinion. Jason On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:51 AM, The Tricottet Collection tricottetc...@live.com wrote: Hello, I would like to disagree with everyone here. If we all start painting numbers on meteorites, in 2-3 generations, all specimens will be full of useless graffiti - who will know which number matches which minor collection? So the problem would remain exactly the same. When I say minor, I
