Re: [meteorite-list] (OT) - C/2017 K2
Probably not... mag 7 is current best... https://www.space.com/giant-comet-k2-earth-flyby-telescope Clear Skies! Elizabeth M Warner UMD Obs Director warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 On 7/1/2022 11:30 AM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote: Hello, Does anyone know if the above subject Comet will be visible to the naked eye anytime soon. Thank you, John .--- .-.. --- ..- - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comets - National Geographic Full Video
Wow! Pseudoscience at its best! Well done mockup, but that is NOT the official National Geographic channel. And those are not National Geographic videos! Quotes taken out of context and twisted... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 12/4/2014 6:29 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list wrote: List, A very interesting video about comets has just been posted for public viewing online- http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/12/comets-meteor-distributed-source-life.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Link aid- AD: Spectacular Impactites ENDING SOON on eBay!
Sorry, but isn't there a 1 ad per week limit?? He's posted 6 times this week using the excuse of can't post his link to essentially doublepost, but that's still 3 postings, and 5 too many... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 11/14/2013 1:07 PM, drtanuki wrote: Sorry List but I found Brandons postings lacking a link. Brandon seems not able to post his link and otherwise his items not as easily found- Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Link aid- AD: Spectacular Impactites ENDING SOON on eBay!
Well, let's see: 2 postings (different times) on 10 Nov, then 2 more on 12 Nov, and then 2 more today... what do you call that then? Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 11/14/2013 1:50 PM, Brandon wrote: Now that's what I call a double post :) On Nov 14, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for your view on this Elizabeth but they are in fact not excuses. I have no need to try and post several times to this forum, I'm just not that type of person and that's not how I work. In fact, I have asked other list members to post for me and they too could not. (First thought, why not use a different format) and the answer to that is I have. I am using an ipad this time and had the same issue on the smartphone. I appreciate you watchdogging the list, but I would wait until a pattern was formed before making public comments. My best, Brandon Sorry for your view on this Elizabeth but they are in fact not excuses. I have no need to try and post several times to this forum, I'm just not that type of person and that's not how I work. In fact, I have asked other list members to post for me and they too could not. (First thought, why not use a different format) and the answer to that is I have. I am using an ipad this time and had the same issue on the smartphone. I appreciate you watchdogging the list, but I would wait until a pattern was formed before making public comments. My best, Brandon On Nov 14, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: Sorry, but isn't there a 1 ad per week limit?? He's posted 6 times this week using the excuse of can't post his link to essentially doublepost, but that's still 3 postings, and 5 too many... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 11/14/2013 1:07 PM, drtanuki wrote: Sorry List but I found Brandons postings lacking a link. Brandon seems not able to post his link and otherwise his items not as easily found- Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: all-sky camera
Hello, Since we have a number of meteor/fireball observers in addition to all of the collectors, I hope this won't be too off-topic. Need some help... I am looking to get an all-sky camera for the Univ. of MD Observatory (www.astro.umd.edu/openhouse) and am looking for recommendations/reviews (why you like or don't like what you have) of various systems. I'm not exactly a gadget person and would prefer an off-the-shelf system -- SBIG, Orion, Moonglow Tech, are there others? But if there is a website with super clear instructions on building a system, we would consider building one. Purpose would be to observe meteors, fireballs as well as other sky phenomena. My email is warne...@astro.umd.edu Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner UMD Observatory Coordinator warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Real UFO?
If you watch the sequence, you can see that it is a timelapse sequence that had been filmed earlier. Those are airplanes. Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 11/28/2011 4:30 PM, Greg Stanley wrote: A reflection in the camera lens. There are many different colored bright lights there. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2011, at 3:57 PM,cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: List, What is this? Could somebody please explain this? see link; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/ufo-nfl-game_n_1033966.html Carl Meteoritemax -- Cheers __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EPOXI Mission Status Report - October 20, 2011
Ummm, hi Ron, you have the date wrong for this update... this is from 20 Oct 2010 (not 2011)!! We got pretty busy and weren't able to get any PI updates for a long time until the most recent one which we posted yesterday... Clear Skies! Elizabeth EPOXI webmaster warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 On 11/3/2011 2:07 PM, Ron Baalke wrote: http://epoxi.umd.edu/1mission/status.shtml EPOXI Mission Status Report Michael A'Hearn October 20, 2011 The spacecraft went through a cool-down period at the end of September to optimize the capabilities of the near-IR spectrometer and to carry out a Trajectory Correction Maneuver (TCM). This maneuver __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Elections
Hi Craig, I'm on [meteorite-list] but not a member of IMCA (since I don't sell meteorites). I believe your question was posted to the wrong place. I don't see how IMCA officers have anything to do with what goes on on the [meteorite-list]. Yes, IMCA officers and members are also members of this list, but my understanding was this was separate from IMCA... Perhaps you posted to the wrong list?? Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 9/23/2011 2:19 PM, Craig Moody wrote: Hello List and candidates: I have a statement/question for all the candidates... As a newcommer to this forum, I was quite disheartened when all there was, it seemed, was bickering and squabbling between members with a whole lot of finger-pointing and acusations flying all around. People were calling others cheats and liars, without full knowlege of the situations at hand, and it was almost depressing. My question is...What would you do to try and curb this nonsense, and to keep this forum on the right track? Good luck to all the candidates, your responses will determine my votes. Cheers, Craig #6276 From: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com To: i...@imcamail.de Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:53:32 -0700 Subject: [IMCA] Elections Hello again, I just wanted to echo John's post re the lack of posts from the members regarding the upcoming election. Not counting the 5 emails from Anne and Maria,there are, that I know of, 28 posts to the IMCA list regarding this election, the vast majority from John with myself as a distant 2nd place. There have been only five candidates that have made a statement, with nothing from the last two. There were a few of the congrats for running and only 2 that were actual questions for the candidates. We need your input so that we will become flesh and blood people and not just a name on a piece of paper. I know some of you through business dealings and the reverse would be true, those few would know me. Please, members, speak up! Ask those of us running any questions that you feel we need to address so that you will know who to support. Lastly, I know that I would like to get to know more members, so to that end, I am running for a position on the board. Thank you all, Pete Shugar IMCA 1733 ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imca __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Elections
Well, that's possible, but our list wasn't part of the original discussion... He had to add it in to his recipients list when he sent his message... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 9/23/2011 2:51 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Elizabeth, I think he hit Reply All and instead of just replying to the IMCA list. This happens on occasion. It provides a sneak peek into IMCA dealings for non-members. I'm sure Craig is going to have the Riot Act read to him in private by some IMCA members for doing that. I'll just sit here, eat my popcorn, and enjoy the show. ;) Craig is a good guy, so hopefully they don't tar and feather him for it. LOL Best regards, MikeG Non-IMCA #0001 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
LOL! I find it interesting how if he wins everyone else has to never, ever, sell, buy, barter, or trade meteorites in the United States, or elsewhere, for as long as they may live! However, if he loses, all he has to do is apologize... I think that to be fair he should also agree to never, ever, sell, buy, barter, or trade meteorites in the United States, or elsewhere, for as long as he lives! And if so many scientists and analysts have said his material is not meteoritic... well, that one paragraph proved to me what a loony that guy is... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 9/6/2011 12:34 PM, Walter L. Newton wrote: For you reading pleasure, a LONG message from Steve Curry to... well... a heck of a lot of people. From: Steve Curry [mailto:cwhei...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:24 AM Subject: High Noon! Hi Boys Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves! [snip] Dr. Randy Korotev, WUSTL; Dr. Carl Agee, UNM; Dr. Lawrence Garvie, ASU, Dr. Alex Ruzika, Cascadia Meteorite Lab, Portland State University, Dr. John T. Wasson, UCLA, Dr. Alan Rubin, UCLA, Dr. Michael Zolensky, NASA's JSC, Dr. Timothy McCoy, Smithsonian Institute; Dr. Arthur Elmann, TCU; Dr. Rainer Newberry, UA@Fairbanks; Dr. Chris Peterson, Caltech/Denver Museum of Nature Science; Dr. Theodore Bunch, NAU; Dr. John Wittke, NAU; and Melinda Hutson, Cascadia Meteorite Lab, Portland State University. Should it be found, that our Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia does not match, in any way, shape, or form, to Mr. Hupe's NWA 5000, or to that of the Apollo Lunar Samples of Feldspathic Breccias, or meteorites posted with the Lunar Planetary Institute's Lunar Meteorite Compendium, Mr. Curry will, without hesitation, close his Ebay posting of the Uncompahgre Lunar Meteorite, permanently, and forever. Mr. Curry will also initiate a Public Letter of Apology to Mr. Hupe, members of the IMCA, and to above named scientists. [snip] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] why scale is important
I've seen many discussions on this list about using some item in images to show sizes. And there are some great scale cubes out there (I've got a few from Rex). But I thought the following might be of interest. http://www.moillusions.com/2011/09/coin-makes-big-things-look-small.html Have fun! Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hubble Space Telescope discovers 4th moon around Pluto
Actually, one of the discoverers (Dr. Doug Hamilton, UMaryland) has a preference for Cerberus... Fits in with the mythology... and as the discoverers, Showalter and Hamilton get to name it... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 7/20/2011 4:38 PM, karmaka wrote: If it has to be Greek, how about ACHLYS the personification of Eternal Night, a daughter of NYX ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achlys Best Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: karmakakarm...@email.de Gesendet: 20.07.2011 22:29:29 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hubble Space Telescope discovers 4th moon around Pluto How should S/2011 (134340) 1 be called? Any suggestions? How about KALI ? It's not Greek, but ... Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: karmakakarm...@email.de Gesendet: 20.07.2011 22:11:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hubble Space Telescope discovers 4th moon around Pluto Fascinating news !!! Thank you for sharing this, Robert. It's hard to wait another four years until New Horizons reveals more secrets from the icy spheres around Pluto. But that's 'space' Best wishes Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Matson, Robert D.robert.d.mat...@saic.com Gesendet: 20.07.2011 20:35:17 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Hubble Space Telescope discovers 4th moon around Pluto Hi All, Pluto has a 4th moon! Here's a link to the CBAT: http://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/cbet/cbet002769.txt Below is the NASA News release: July 20, 2011 Trent J. Perrotto Headquarters, Washington trent.j.perro...@nasa.gov 202-358-0321 Ray Villard Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore vill...@stsci.edu 410-338-4514 Karen Randall SETI Institute, Mountain View, Calif. krand...@seti.org 650-960-4537 RELEASE: 11-234 NASA'S HUBBLE DISCOVERS ANOTHER MOON AROUND PLUTO WASHINGTON -- Astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope discovered a fourth moon orbiting the icy dwarf planet Pluto. The tiny, new satellite, temporarily designated P4, was uncovered in a Hubble survey searching for rings around the dwarf planet. The new moon is the smallest discovered around Pluto. It has an estimated diameter of 8 to 21 miles (13 to 34 km). By comparison, Charon, Pluto's largest moon, is 648 miles (1,043 km) across, and the other moons, Nix and Hydra, are in the range of 20 to 70 miles in diameter (32 to 113 km). I find it remarkable that Hubble's cameras enabled us to see such a tiny object so clearly from a distance of more than 3 billion miles (5 billion km), said Mark Showalter of the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif., who led this observing program with Hubble. The finding is a result of ongoing work to support NASA's New Horizons mission, scheduled to fly through the Pluto system in 2015. The mission is designed to provide new insights about worlds at the edge of our solar system. Hubble's mapping of Pluto's surface and discovery of its satellites have been invaluable to planning for New Horizons' close encounter. This is a fantastic discovery, said New Horizons' principal investigator Alan Stern of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo. Now that we know there's another moon in the Pluto system, we can plan close-up observations of it during our flyby. The new moon is located between the orbits of Nix and Hydra, which Hubble discovered in 2005. Charon was discovered in 1978 at the U.S. Naval Observatory and first resolved using Hubble in 1990 as a separate body from Pluto. The dwarf planet's entire moon system is believed to have formed by a collision between Pluto and another planet-sized body early in the history of the solar system. The smashup flung material that coalesced into the family of satellites observed around Pluto. Lunar rocks returned to Earth from the Apollo missions led to the theory that our moon was the result of a similar collision between Earth and a Mars-sized body 4.4 billion years ago. Scientists believe material blasted off Pluto's moons by micrometeoroid impacts may form rings around the dwarf planet, but the Hubble photographs have not detected any so far. This surprising observation is a powerful reminder of Hubble's ability as a general purpose astronomical observatory to make astounding, unintended discoveries, said Jon Morse, astrophysics division director at NASA Headquarters in Washington. P4 was first seen in a photo taken with Hubble's Wide Field Camera 3 on June 28. It was confirmed in subsequent Hubble pictures taken on July 3 and July 18. The moon was not seen in earlier Hubble images because the exposure times were shorter. There is a chance it appeared as a very faint smudge in 2006 images, but was overlooked because it was obscured. Hubble is a project of international cooperation between NASA and the European Space Agency. NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., manages the telescope. The Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI)
Re: [meteorite-list] Hubble Space Telescope discovers 4th moon around Pluto
I really don't care... I was just passing along what one of the discoverers had expressed as his preference... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 7/20/2011 4:56 PM, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Elizabeth: The big problem with cerberus is that there is already 1865 Cerberus, an Apollo asteroid. IAU Nomenclatur Committee tries to avoid duplication like that though there are several existing examples. Larry Actually, one of the discoverers (Dr. Doug Hamilton, UMaryland) has a preference for Cerberus... Fits in with the mythology... and as the discoverers, Showalter and Hamilton get to name it... Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Rich Jolly wrote: I have not been following this thread in great detail, just skimming the messages. One thought comes to mind is that if he was trying to sell the item that while he may have gotten it as a gift, it was maybe under the understanding that he or his family would not sell it... ie, that the item would convey back to NASA for disposal or to be put into a museum... After all, in theory, all of that stuff belongs to the US citizens, so if he no longer wants it, it should be returned or at least we should get right of first refusal. Again, without knowing all of the details it's hard to know exactly what is happening. We do know how truthful/factual our media can be. Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay questionable meteorites
I had sent him a question asking how he knew it was a lunar meteorite. Here's my exact questions: How do you know it is a moon rock? What testing have you done? Who tested it? His response was extremely rude: I am a very busy individual and I honestly don't have time to waste answering these kinds of questions. You have a free will and you're not being forced in any way to purchase my meteorites. Notice that I called them meteorites because to me that's exactly what they are. If you like what you see you can bid on it and purchase if not please do me a great favor and go purchase instead those fake and man-made Tektites or the microscopic pieces of stone and iron (that you can't even see with the naked eye) from the people with the appointed numbers from the IMCA. They rip you off and you don't even know that you're being ripped off, I feal sorry for people like you, I really do. But I didn't answer your question yet, so here it goes: I will try to be as precise as I can. All my life I've had a big fascination for all kinds of rocks, particularly rocks from space. I am a big rock collector and I own a big collection of rocks from all over the world. This particular rock I found in Azores, precisely in Graciosa Island where I live. The Azores Archipelago is of volcanic origin and this rock was found on an area similar to a desert where there is no vegetation. Places like that are in fact the best places on Earth to look for meteorites. This particular rock does not have a volcanic origin and therefore it's not from here and can only possibly be from Space, more precisely from the Moon. Of course I don't have any sophisticated scientific equipment to make such tests but my conclusion is that this rock has a 99.9% probability that it is in fact a Lunar Meteorite. Good day to you and God bless. I responded with I asked simple questions. For you to to respond so rudely is unnecessary. I don't care if you are IMCA or not, but if you claim to be selling a lunar meteorite, then you need to have something more than your word as proof. Then the bid page, I reported the item as being fraudulent. There is an option Listing Violations Fraudulent listings (illegal seller demands, you didn't receive item, etc) You suspect that a listing is fraudulent you didn't bid. Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 7/2/2011 10:49 PM, bill kies wrote: At least he cancelled the lunars. Maybe after he reads up a little more he'll realize most of the rest is suspect. Bill Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 09:09:43 -0500 From: nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay questionable meteorites Maybe some of you have noticed this seller (http://shop.ebay.com/galeriacores/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562). Of the two dozen offerings, only one looks like a real meteorite - a Brahin. He's offering lunars and various chondrites from the recent Azores fall. Quite the selection. Bob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Bolides / Meteors Reported
Well, I think the MD fireball is just an observation of the launch of a Minotaur rocket from Wallops Island. The rocket was carrying the ORS-1 satellite. Launch occurred at 11:09pm. There were some (low) clouds in the area so it would have seemed to 'disappear'... I viewed the launch from Alexandria, VA... There were several hundred if not thousands of folks watching the launch from DE down to NC, so if there was an actual fireball, I would think we would have seen more reports... And it was very red at first and seemed to disappear very momentarily which I attribute to low clouds... http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/missions/orsinfo.html http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/news/release-11-18.html http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/webcast/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43556260/ns/technology_and_science-space/ my 'video' https://picasaweb.google.com/adastragrl/RocketLaunches Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 6/30/2011 8:37 AM, drtanuki wrote: Dear List, Recent activity: Maryland Meteor Fireball 29JUN2011 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How Do We Name Asteroids?
Hi Kevin, Please check www.iau.org/public/naming/#minorplanets Essentially, the discoverer gets to name the asteroid. You can't name one after pets though. If the discoverer has discovered more than one asteroid, s/he can name them after friends, colleagues, etc. So, it boils down to who you know! Clear Skies! Elizabeth warne...@astro.umd.edu 4201 Orosz On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Kevin Kichinka wrote: Team Meteorite: Ron Baalke kindly published a list of persons/places that have been honored by having their names attached to an asteroid. He even has one named after himself - 6524 Baalke. I was surprised to see asteroids named after some of my present and worthy friends and colleagues I can think of many other folks that should have this honor. Richard Norton (obvious), Darryl Pitt (meteorite photography), Robert Haag (met marketing), David New (first thin section sales), Ernst Chladni (first important researcher), Gustav Tschermak (microscopic work), Frederick Leonard (originated forerunner to Met Soc), G. Prior (author of first Cat of Mets). I can think of more nominees and I doubt we'll run out of asteroids. I know my mother would be proud if I had one named after me :) Can anyone comment on what qualifications are neccesary to achieve this honor? And I wonder if a person selected for this honor gets his/her choice of asteroid i.e. carbonaceous, differentiated, etc.? Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SL9 video
Video of SL-9 impacts taken with what telescope?? 17 years... 2011-1994 = 17 http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/sl9.html Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 6/26/2011 12:17 PM, E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi all - Thanks for the link - truly magnificent. Now where to hell is the NASA video of the fragments of SL 9 hitting Jupiter? Its only been 14 years now. How incompetenet does Ed Weiler have to be before he gets fired? E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Jepara Pallasite
A quick google search... seems that this was also discussed on a german list, the gist of it is that it is in classification http://www.jgr-apolda.eu/index.php?topic=6295.0;wap2 and that there is nothing else to be found online about it... A very *rough* Google translation of the description on the eBay page is: __ Meteorites are rarer than gold in the earth's surface. One can distinguish stony meteorites, iron meteorites and stoney-iron meteorites, and of those there are rarest group Pallasites, since they account for only 1% of all meteorites found and are unique in their structure of metal and gemstone. They come from the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. In collisions come from this particular material the transition zone between the mantle and core of the asteroid on course to earth. They represent remnants of the primordial matter and, with their 4.6 billion years old are an eyeblink into eternity. Pallasites are made of iron, some nickel, olivine (peridot) and traces of other elements, a unique blend. The first pallasite was found in 1749 near Krasnoyarsk and twenty years later described by Peter Simon Pallas, a German scientist. In his honor, the group was named. In 1807 Brahin with 850 kg was found in Russia, in 1882 Brenham discovered in the U.S. with 4300kg, and 1951 kg in Argentina Esquel with 755kg. The latest discovery was in 2000 in China, Fukang with about 1000kg. This is a selection of large and famous Pallasite, officially 84 units are known, most of them very small. Now, with a respectable size of 499 kg is the pallasite Jepara, discovered two years ago in Java, Indonesia. It is very different in its structure from other known material. Much of its metal content was changed to magnetite due to its very long stay in the ground. It was found as land was being cleared/ flattened for the construction of a hall for furniture production. The olivines are very fine and usually with no cracks and are magnetite, schreibersite(??) and other extra-territorial material embedded as in a net. Our thanks to Mr Prof. Dr. Falko Langenhorst from the University of Bayreuth, Chair of the German Mineralogical Society, for his analysis and publication. In a few days the entry will be seen in the Metbull. We are happy to show this material may be exclusive. __ Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 6/11/2011 7:23 AM, jimsk...@aol.com wrote: Came upon this ebay listing and see that there's no mention of this meteorite in the Met. Bulletin. Can't translate the listing description. Does anyone know if this is a legitimate find? _http://cgi.ebay.com/Neuer-Pallasit-Scheibe-17-7-g-Pallasite-/110695498916?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c5f744a4_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Neuer-Pallasit-Scheibe-17-7-g-Pallasite-/110695498916?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c 5f744a4) Cheers, Jim K __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone else get or can explain this?
Yes, I got that notfication as well... but I do remember when I was submitting my payment that there was an option for 'auto-renewal' which I did select... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On Thu, 26 May 2011, Richard Graveline wrote: Hello: If you happen to keep old emails check back to your PayPal confirmation. It will have the following line. You sent an automatic payment to Bits Of Earth. Here are the details: It took me a while to cancel the automatic payment - at least I think that I did. Will not know for sure until next month. And I only got two issues. Richard G -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Groetz Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:02 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone else get or can explain this? This just came into my home email... What are automatic payments?!!! I don't like the sound of it. I paid for a full year and received 1 issue. Nothing was set up automatic... Eric- did you send this out? Mike p.s. I X'd out the bank name and account number. -- Bits Of Earth canceled your automatic payments -- Hello Michael Groetz, Bits Of Earth canceled your automatic payments. This means we'll no longer automatically draw money from your account to pay the merchant. If you have any questions, you may ask Bits Of Earth about this cancellation. Here's the information: -- Billed to: National Bank Checking (Confirmed) By:Bits Of Earth For:Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine (25% OFF) About the automatic payment Bits Of Earth canceled: -- Amount to be paid each time:$26.25 USD Billing cycle:Yearly Payments start:Oct 3, 2010 -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone else get or can explain this?
On Thu, 26 May 2011, Mike Groetz wrote: I don't remember if it was an option on Paypal or on the page for subscribing to MHC way back when... I subscribed at the end of last May and the options have changed considerably... Clear Skies! Elizabeth Elizabeth and List- I honestly do not remember any auto-renewal statement or options when I signed up and paid for my subscription. If I did remember- I truly would not have questioned this to the list. Now I am wondering if there were variables in some of the subscription/payment form On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: Yes, I got that notfication as well... but I do remember when I was submitting my payment that there was an option for 'auto-renewal' which I did select... Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Confused about IMCA
If IMCA is supposed to be for collectors, how does being an IMCA member help with selling?? Shouldn't there be an IMSA then?? However, as I read through the IMCA website, it is more about selling/trading... I collect only, but it doesn't look like I would be able to join since I don't sell which seems odd since IMCA in it's description says it is about COLLECTING... I really have nothing against IMCA, but as a 'newbie' it is very confusing. I have been on this list since early 2010, I've bought some slices, etc from both IMCA and non-IMCA sellers (but mostly IMCA)... Anyone should be able to join IMCA, but sellers/traders should then have the specially vetted badge showing that they follow the values/standards/ideals stated by IMCA. Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] interesting video... probably space junk...
This was posted on another newsgroup (Minor Planet Mailing List) I'm on... http://youtu.be/-jH3IIG4g-E The poster seems to think that it is more likely to be space junk (original message pasted below): Hello, Take a look at this video taken on last saturday, april 23rd in the state of Acre, north of Brazil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jH3IIG4g-Efeature=player_embedded It seems to be a large space junk reentry. Does anyone have an idea of what object this could be? Cristovao I77 Still looks interesting... Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pacific Ocean Meteor seen of Coast of Japan prior to Earthquake 7APR2011
Are you sure??? That looks like an airplane to me and no mention of it being a meteor is made on spaceweather.com... Rather the story is simply about the conjunction of the moon with the Pleiades... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 4/7/2011 5:08 PM, drtanuki wrote: Dear List, A large bolide passed near Hatoyama, Saitama, Japan on 7APR2011 (near my house; of course I missed it - winds were blowing to hard to be on the roof) a few hours prior to the earthquake. A photo of the event was taken by an mateur astronomer Mitsuo Muraoka in Hatoyama out of an observatory. There is a story on SpaceWeather; a link to it is on my site: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/04/tohoku-another-major-earthquake-will-be.html Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: need folks who use PDS websites
I have been tasked with updating/revising/redoing the Planetary Data Systems Small Bodies Node (PDS-SBN) website. PDS archives data primarily from NASA missions but also from other observations that support NASA missions. The Small Bodies Node of course handles the asteroids, comets and dust so, I'm not too far off topic by posting to this forum. The current (old) site is located at http://pdssbn.astro.umd.edu/ The new site which we are still working on is at http://icarus.astro.umd.edu/ First, if you have used the site before, we want to make sure that the new site is better. Second, I've run into a few questions that we are having problems answering internally because we are too close to the project so we want to know how some users feel. Plus, internally we use the site slightly differently than real users out in the world might... If you are interested please take a look through. Please let me know via private email (let's not spam the list even more than I'm already doing). My email is warne...@astro.umd.edu Information to include that will help me to debug issues: + OS, browser you are using + description of problem + URL of page where problem is occurring + a screen capture jpg (especially if the problem is related to how the page looks) Okay, question for now, should we break out by instrument (and then maybe by mission phase) or by mission phase (and then by instrument if needed)? http://icarus.astro.umd.edu/data_sb/missions/deepimpact/index_new2.shtml OR http://icarus.astro.umd.edu/data_sb/missions/deepimpact/index_new3.shtml Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Announces Comet Encounter News Conference
With all due respect Carl, please stick to talking about meteorites which you know about it and leave stuff about comets that you know nothing about to the cometary scientists. It is rather unfortunate that when scientists use or reuse everyday terms like ice, that people interpret that to mean ice cubes like in their freezer. When in fact, ice is the technical term for frozen volatiles including H2O, CO2, etc... And how ice behaves in space is going to be different than how it behaves in an atmosphere under pressure and subject to gravitational forces. If comets were in fact fiery hot, we would have several lines of evidence showing that and we don't. All of the evidence shows that comets are cold and that when close to the sun, the ices sublimate. Which ices sublimate when is a factor of distance from the sun, how fresh the comet is, and lots of details that get boring real fast. Out in space, I can imagine that it is very easy to get fluffy large snowflakes that we wouldn't see here on Earth. Snowflakes is also not a good word to use, but we have no other words to describe the things we are seeing, so we use the closest words that we have. Why didn't these fluffy things damage the spacecraft? Mostly because most of the fluffy things we were seeing were fairly close to the nucleus and not 400 miles away like the spacecraft was. As the fluffy aggregates of ice and dust get further away, the ices continue to sublimate and the fluffy aggregate eventually breaks apart into the tiny tiny dust particles. Basically, we have spectroscopic maps (the distribution maps that have been posted) showing both water vapor and water solids. They are not coming from the same places on the comet. I was going to point out how the Inuit have multiple words for snow only to find out that they have no more than we do. The article though is still interesting and.. relevant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow Comets as objects are not something that we experience in our everyday lives. Therefore, their parts and structures may not have everyday equivalents. Therefore, we use words that are similar and closely describe what we see and give those words new meanings. Another classic example in astronomy is the use of the word umbra. It means shadow. When early solar observers first saw sunspots, they thought those were shadows they were seeing so they used shadow terminology. We know now that sunspots are not shadows, but to come up with brand new words to describe the parts of a sunspot... well, umbra and penumbra stuck. Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner EPOXI webmaster cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Larry, Chris, All, All due respect here but, Smoke is very fine dust. To your point I must agree that the eraser example is perfect. see link to latest info about Comet Hartley 2; http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/19/spacecraft-flies-past-snowstorm-comet/ According to this news. They are now saying that this stuff spewing out of these jets is fluffy ice. This seems to me to be a classic case of 'Manipulating the facts to fit their original hypothesis'? They think comets are icy. They claim that this material moving at 27,000 MPH did not cause damage to the craft because it is soft fluffy ice. I don't know just how fluffy ice can be but golf ball to basketball size fluffy ice objects hitting something while moving that fast does not sound like fun. Now on the other hand. If this is just smoke it is easier for me to understand why no damage was done to the craft when the craft flew through the debris left by the Comet.. So, it in deed seems to me that as Larry pointed out this stuff is not ice but is smoke. We don't have to force this result to fit any ice theory. Further, in the pictures the jets appear to be everywhere. Not just at the tail end. And the reflected light appears to be illuminating parts of the surface equal to the brightness of the jets which would seem to indicate a highly reflective substance like metal. To further this theoretical possibility. In the only gathering of actual comet dust they were able to determine that a metallic mineral Manganese / silicate was in fact spewed out of the comet. This was later named Brownleeite and is now considered to be a new mineral. So, in Sum, this thing looks like it is spewing out smoke (very fine dust). Isn't this possible? Why does it have to be Ice? Many objects out in space are fiery hot. Hot stuff is out there. Look no farther than our own Sun. Why according to NASA do comets have to be cold? These pictures are the only close -ups we have and they say. This is one hot chicken leg. And the conclusion should not be forced. Let the facts speak for themselves. Sorry but, I think Ice is hard not fluffy. Especially at 27K miles per hour. IMHO. Carl lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi All: As far as I know, all we are seeing in the comet images in the jets is dust. If you have fine
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Announces Comet Encounter News Conference
Vapor is the evaporation of boiling liquid water. And that is the only possible source of water vapor?? So, have you ever been in a cloud? fog?? What was boiling to make those then?? Again, your limited experience with how materials behave on Earth in atmosphere, under pressure and with gravitational forces is blinding you to the fact that materials can and do behave differently in space. Water might boil at 100 C at sea level, but in space it boils away at very low temperatures. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem07/chem07192.htm Vapor in the context given by the EPOXI scientists refers to H2O (and other materials) in a gaseous form. Ice would refer to that material being in a solid form. That solid form does not necessarily mean it is a block of ice like an icecube. And I'm sure you've heard the riddle of what weighs more: a pound of feathers or a pound of lead? They weigh the same, but you are going to need a whole heck of alot of feathers to get a pound! Clear Skies! Elizabeth cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Hi Bob. Perhaps you did not read the NASA link I provided in my previous post. Here it is in case you missed it; http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/19/spacecraft-flies-past-snowstorm-comet/ Again, all do respect here. To be clear my questions here relate to gaining the knowledge of what rocks to look for that might be of a cometary origin. Not to knock others opinions. I just want logical answers. The link does say they think it is water ice as opposed to other substances. They go on to say that jets of carbon dioxide *appear to be* fueled by water vapor. Vapor is the evaporation of boiling liquid water. But later say there are also large hailstone chunks to boot. I think it looks like hot dust (smoke) . They say some of the hailstorm of Fluffy Ice that hit the spacecraft may have been between the size of a golf ball and a basketball. This with NO damage to the spacecraft? Dr. A. Hearn also points out how different Comets are from one another. Aw Ha moment here? They are different! You ask. How could they stay hot? That is the big question. I suppose it depends upon what they are made of. Iron might stay hot longer than mica for example. And or, Perhaps they contain some source of renewable energy source within them? . A source that is yet known to us? How do we know whether they are cooling or not? That coupled with the fact that all things take time. Look no farther than the published cooling rates of iron meteorites. The Tucson iron meteorite is said to not display the widmanstten pattern on an etched surface primarily because in spite of the fact that it contains plenty of nickel, it cooled too fast. This cooling rate has been calculated for the Tucson Iron ring meteorite to be in the order of 1 degree C per one thousand years. This again is considered a rapid cooling rate. No, nothing makes much sense if you believe what they say that hailstones the size of golf balls to basketballs hit this craft. It had to of been smoke from the intense heat of this comet to have not damaged the craft. ice and even melted ice in the form of water at 27K miles per hour would have damaged the craft. Incidentally , I took a piece of coal in the dark and illuminated it. Sorry, but it looks nothing like the close-up pics of Hartley 2 and that is the comet we are talking about here. No antique distant pics from the past can compare with these new pics. We are in a new age of discovery and should give up these old and possibly obsolete photos and theories of the past. One more thing. If these so called infrared spectrometers tell us what this Comet is made of then I would love to hear it? Please spare me the Fluffy ice though. What other minerals are abundant on comet hartley 2? Thanks. Again. IMHO. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl and all, I thought it was clear that the fluffy snow chunks were water ice. They can determine composition of materials on and around the comet with the infrared spectrometer aboard the probe. Water was discovered a while back by ground-based telescopes in quite a number of comets. Also, while some of the stuff spewing out is a few inches across, there's probably a lot more that's tinier - everything from smoke-like dust particles to tiny bits of snow. Perhaps something on this smaller end of the scale struck the craft during its flyby. A demonstration I use for my class is to take a piece of black coal, turn off the lights and light it only by the beam from a small lamp to simulate how a comet appears in space. You'd be surprised by how brightly coal shines again the unlit background. Comets were long ago found to not be hot. How could something the interior of something that small (approx 1 mile long) on an orbit that takes it beyond Jupiter remain warm for very long? Only the outer surface is warmed by sunlight. Regards, Bob On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:14 PM,
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Announces Comet Encounter News Conference
Well, you ended up asking several questions... Is their anything to be learned by these pictures of Hartley 2 that we did not already know or not? Ahh, I think I'm starting to see where some of the confusion lies. You are operating under the assumption that everything we know about comets we know as an absolute fact... Well, for the most part yes, Yes, comets are essentially dirty snowballs. Dusty snowballs might be better. Some are dustier, some are snowier. But there are a lot of details that are getting glossed over in that summary that the public doesn't care about. And while we knew from various studies that comets are dusty snowballs, most of those observations were indirect or derived results. With Hartley 2, we *see* the CO2 jets spewing out H20 snow... we finally *see* the snow! It's not just spectroscopic distribution maps, spectra, etc. We can trace the jets we see in the coma down to features on the nucleus. We *see* what is going on rather than just inferring. So, yes, we learned new stuff! These are scientists. They are looking for information. We have gotten tons of data, but it is going to take more than just 2 weeks to properly process/analyze/understand it all. Theories will get revised/updated accordingly. We've posted what we can. The details will get written up in the journals and properly peer-reviewed and published. And then you'll have plenty to read. Have you bothered to read any of the papers published about Tempel 1 after Deep Impact? So the information is out there, you just haven't read it. Likewise, the info about Hartley 2 will eventually get published, but will you actually read it? As for your second question I mean can anyone relate this to what to look for in a cometary meteorite find or fall back here on Earth? I don't think that any scientist expects to find cometary meteorites because based on what we currently know about comets, they are simply to fragile and volatile to survive the atmosphere. Maybe when Rosetta reaches comet C-G and lands on it, we'll know more. Clear Skies! Elizabeth cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Elizabeth, Bob, Chris,All, This has been a very helpful and educational thread for me and I'm sure a few others.Unfortunatl, It seems that everybody is using old scientific information to explain all of this. So, let me ask one more question; Is their anything to be learned by these pictures of Hartley 2 that we did not already know or not? I mean can anyone relate this to what to look for in a cometary meteorite find or fall back here on Earth? As you all well know . I fully admit that I know nothing about space. My only interest in space is how it relates to meteorite material and hunting. This because I will never go to space but, I may find an important Cometary meteorite so, I would like to know what to look for. It seems that even though a new mineral was found in comet dust called brownleeite. This being a manganese silicate. You would expect this would have opened up the Science of space . But as far as I can tell it has not. I mean what was the significance of this fact and the close-ups of Hartley 2 if we don't establish and then publicize new information? Even The Carancas Fall and Crater began to re-write some of the books about impacts until it was decided that that was just an exception. Exception it may be it still caused a huge crater and remember we are talking about a meteorite so delicate that it is easily crushed between two fingers. And still it created a huge crater. Maybe I ask too much of the space scientists but, we do spend a great deal of tax payer dollars on NASA so we might be entitled to at least some good use of our gathered science from these extremely expensive missions. Many scientists have told me that they will not do isotopic study except when ordered by other NASA associated scientists. So, in other words. Only NASA people can order NASA tests paid for by the public? I for one would not mind paying for this added service. Perhaps a new discovery is out their waiting to be classified? I am a long way fro tipperary here but my point is that we hunters are starved for new and updated information. So it becomes a bit frustrating when we get very little info from NASA news conferences. Again. What's new? They are still muddy snowballs Thanks. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: Vapor is the evaporation of boiling liquid water. And that is the only possible source of water vapor?? So, have you ever been in a cloud? fog?? What was boiling to make those then?? Again, your limited experience with how materials behave on Earth in atmosphere, under pressure and with gravitational forces is blinding you to the fact that materials can and do behave differently in space. Water might boil at 100 C at sea level, but in space it boils away at very low temperatures. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov
Re: [meteorite-list] re the double standards
Maybe you are getting more email than I am from the list, but I don't see any messages from Eric today (Sun 14 Nov), just 1 from yesterday (Sat 13 Nov)... Can't say about Wednesday because I don't have messages going that far back saved on my computer... So, no, I have not noticed that happening. I have noticed lots of list members B___ing about the most inane things on occasion though. Clear Skies! Elizabeth On 11/14/2010 2:33 PM, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com wrote: Hello List, I have been watching something that has been happening for quite some time now. In the past there were many complaints re several list members that were very prolific posters to the list with several to many posts every day, mostly posting ads as well as corrections to the ads. Many of the list members got quite irate at them for their posts. There exists on the list today one who does this, but yet there is no outcry. He continues to make several posts everyday and I loose count of the number of ads per week that are posted by this individual. There were nine posts on Wendsday and today there were 4 posts from 12:30 (Approx) to not quite 2:30 pm, just under 2 hours. Does Eric enjoy a protected position on this list such that he is allowed to post at will whenever he feels the urge to do so??? I find I no longer care to check my email, for fear of clogging my computer with yet more ads. Does anyone else notice this happening? Pete IMCA 1733 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Change the Subject line please!! (Was: Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?)
Many of you have thankfully gotten back to the subject of meteorites but unfortunately reply to previous messages and use the same subject line even when the subject you are talking about no longer matches the subject line! So, please, change the subject line accordingly. I'm sure I'm not alone in skipping messages that have OT subject lines or subject lines that don't interest us. So, we end up missing some interesting stuff. In addition, when searching the archives, the subject line is a primary source, so you may have some neat information but it could get overlooked. No need to respond or start another useless thread. Just change the subject line. Thank you! Clear Skies! Elizabeth Thunder Stone wrote: List: Last year I purchased a meteorite at a rock and mineral show a because it just looked a [rest deleted] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: comet Hartley 2 images
I realize this is a bit off topic but as many of you are also amateur astronomers... If you have been observing comet Hartley 2, I would like to invite you to submit your observations of comet 103P/ Hartley 2 on the Amateur Observers' Program website (aop.astro.umd.edu) which is collecting images of comet Hartley 2 in support of the EPOXI mission. All amateurs are invited to send in their images/ data... Please, feel free to send in images from multiple nights! This allows us to see how the comet is changing. Images to post can be processed in any way (a still image of stacked frames, an animation...)... If you are so inclined, you can also send a zip file of your calibrated fits files (preferably 1 zip file for each night)... there are several amateurs who are interested in determining Afrho and other parameters and are trying to find data to analyze. We are also collecting sketches from those who prefer sketching, as well as simple text reports... home page http://aop.astro.umd.edu/ details for submitting http://aop.astro.umd.edu/gallery/logbook.shtml gallery http://aop.astro.umd.edu/gallery/hartley.shtml Clear Skies! Elizabeth warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 www.facebook.com/EPOXI www.twitter.com/cometexplorer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Columbia -- COLOMBIA
Actually, for Columbia, that jacket would not be out of place in the winter... but I don't think you are talking about Columbia... As someone who grew up in Columbia (SC) and now lives near Columbia (MD), I wish people would get the name of the country right... It's COLOMBIA. Clear Skies! Elizabeth Chris Spratt wrote: To my eyes the vegetation in the background looks wrong for Columbia. Also the woman is wearing an unsuitable coat for the tropics. My 2 cents. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] R: Re: I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron
Well, this is very unfortunate! Once I saw that several reputable dealers had them, I didn't hold back from buying a sample. But I feel guilty... Where did the dealers get their stock from? I think that from now on, not only will I look for the IMCA number but also a statement that the samples (for whatever meteorite) were acquired legally, etc. I would have thought that the association with IMCA would drive the dealers to make sure that they are acquiring materials through a legal pipeline. I certainly hope that the pieces I got originated legally .. Elizabeth py...@libero.it wrote: Does this mean that specimens of Kamil in private hands are illegal? (i.e. Berduc) Of course I absolutely don't think that: The illegal event (of course only for the Egyptian authorities and law) was only from the persons who went after our mission without permission to the Kamil Crater site and collected a lot of meteorites. Giancarlo Messaggio originale Da: meteoritem...@gmail.com Data: 01/08/2010 16.44 A: py...@libero.itpy...@libero.it Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-l...@meteoritecentral. com Ogg: Re: [meteorite-list] I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron Hi Giancarlo and List, What an interesting and unfortunate development. Most meteorite collectors and dealers were unaware of the situation at Kamil crater. For those on the List who cannot read Italian, here is a Google translated version of the forum discussion - http://tinyurl.com/29qqopq Does this mean that specimens of Kamil in private hands are illegal? (i.e. Berduc) Best regards, MikeG PS - If these are illegal, then for once, I am glad I didn't receive any of this iron and don't have any. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? - NOT!!
Because you are using low res images from the Viking Mission!! Have you gone back and looked at the Mars images taken by the myriad new/current missions that have much higher resolution?? And I did look at the pictures but saw nothing, absolutely nothing of what you described. Again, it is extremely easy to misinterpret shadows, particularly when you are zooming in on a low res, grainy image. The human mind likes patterns and will find patterns. And no matter how well you train your mind, you will be susceptible to optical illusions. http://www.moillusions.com/ (the last video on the page, Wow!) http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ For example, you interpret deep shadows as being entryways, etc. But, those Viking pics didn't exactly have the greatest dynamic range. They're just shadows from boulders. Look, it would be uber cool to see incontrovertible proof, but the examples you provide don't even come close. If you are going to insist that there are buildings on Mars, you should at least catch up on the times and use the most recent images! Clear Skies! Elizabeth James Balister wrote: Mike, good idea! But this posting is not about the book. It is about the Mars structures. They are real! But no one, even here with inteligent higher then most places seems to care. No one even made mention of the pictures. They can only dwell on the book. Are they scared to face the fact that there are buildings on Mars? Or is every one blind to it? Reminds me of the three monkeys. One had his eyes covered, one his mouth, and one his ears. Like in the movie The Planet of the Apes. - Original Message From: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 11:26:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? I forgot to mentionSomeone thought that 19 bucks was too high for a fiction book. They sell for 25 bucks on average. And we all know what meteorite books run! I bought a book last year that ran me 100 bucks! So I think 19 is not too bad for a book! From: James Balister balisterjames at href=http://att.net;att.net James, $19 may seem reasonable to you, but your sales figures speak volumes. Apparently no one wants to gamble $19 on an unknown author who can't spell. Maybe you should lower the price to stimulate demand. If you lower it enough, maybe people will take a chance. Wouldn't you rather have 5,000 sales at $2.00 a copy instead of none at $19 bucks a copy? Sincerely, Mike Fowler Chicago __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? -- Not!!
Zooming in on low res files of old Mars images until you see the pixels is not a good way to try to get others to see your point of view. I would be more understanding if you see a house in a jumble of boulders like someone might see a dragon shape in the clouds. But that's not what you mean is it? Of course Ron won't respond. Yes, pictures are worth a million words with 2 million being lies! Learning to interpret space imagery is an art. It is well known that various optical illusions occur when looking at images and you don't have the right context. Craters can look like raised domes... Alot has to do with shadows and how our eyes interpret (misinterpret) shadows in pictures. Clear Skies! Elizabeth James Balister wrote: OK Richard, lets forget about Ron. He no doubt won't reply to that question anyway. And I would be surprised if he did! Now I know that this thread is about meteorites, which I like just like the rest of you here. But lets face it some meteorites come from Mars which makes Mars a good topic. Four years ago I published a book, The Adventures of Diana. An adventure fantasy that is fiction. I did research for the book for over 30 years to get my facts right. One project took about 10 years of 8 hours a day pouring over Mars pictures from NASA/JPL. I easly checked a million pictures. I figured that if MCDonald (if I remember his name right) found one face on Mars that perhaps there were more! What I found on Mars I put the coordidates in the book as part of the story. My book is for sale all over the world. Yet I have not sold 1 coppy. Which I find very strange. The books spelling got screwed up and it would have taken a fortune to fix it, so I let it go. Seeing that most can't spell anyway. And On my site the data that I get says that a persentage who come there are redirected and another groupe are told that there is no such site and still another groupe is told that they are forbiden. Only 1 percent get to see the site. Anyway, Here is the site. http://dianathebook.com/ At the bottom of the page are pictures that I got from NASA/JPL. They are from Mars!I enlarged them and no other changes were made. Now if you just decide to buy the book, please let me know so that I can figure out if you actualy can get the book. And DO let me think just what you think about the picutres that I have found on Mars that show structures! I have put the pictures on the net but no one seem to care! - Original Message From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; James Balister balisterja...@att.net Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:59:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? I don't want to speak for Ron, but I do not think he reads the lists he posts to. That's not his job. He posts press releases and in the 13 plus years I've been aware of his duties, I can't remember a single time he discussed any of them, even when asked. As someone who's funding comes from NASA, I can tell you nothing would be better and more exciting for the agency and especially those working on Mars than to find incontrovertible proof that life existed (or better still) still exists on Mars. There's no way that would be kept secret. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 5/21/10, James Balister ymailto=mailto:balisterja...@att.net; href=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;balisterja...@att.net wrote: From: James Balister ymailto=mailto:balisterja...@att.net; href=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;balisterja...@att.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? To: ymailto=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 2:48 PM No comment! I want to hear what Ron has to say about pictures first! I am sure that he is asking around. So lets see what he says. Then we can get started, or not. - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie href=mailto:warren3...@hotmail.com;warren3...@hotmail.com To: href=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;balisterja...@att.net Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:41:27 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? So they must be NASA's. And if they come from NASA's site, they must be NASA's. Right? I'm not sure I follow what you are implying. You claiming you have photo's from NASA's website that shows an alien house? Warren Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:26:27 -0700 From: ymailto=mailto: ymailto=mailto:balisterja...@att.net; href=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;balisterja...@att.net href=mailto: href=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;balisterja...@att.net ymailto=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Scale cubes
So it's a very good thing I got mine!! All I can say is It's s cute! Thank you, Mark! And I finally have a scale cube!! Clear Skies! Elizabeth Mark Miller wrote: fact, that I'm not inclined to reorder anymore of my (more expensive) CNC machined Titanium cubes, when the current batch is sold out. Regards, Mark Miller, IMCA 4732 http://herpetology.com/scalecube.htm (last dozen!) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteor in northern VA???
Okay, I work at the UM Obs in College Park... just got a call from someone from one of the local tv stations asking about a possible meteor sighting this morning... I'm getting the details 4th or 5th hand at this point... Roughly around 5am... On the Dulles toll road, probably facing roughly east, moving N-S just above/in the trees... Ch 4 is also going to try track down some police officers who also supposedly saw it to try to get some info... However, there were a number of IR Flares this morning between 4 and 5am that were fairly low in the sky and possibly in the same direction. And looking through a car windshield might make them look green! http://www.heavens-above.com/iridium.asp?Dur=2Date=40306.6324262616lat=38.981lng=-76.937loc=College+Parkalt=0tz=EST I have not seen anything mentioned on the local club listserves nor have I had any other calls... If I hear anything more, I'll let you know... If you hear anything, please let me know... But right now, I'm leaning towards the IR Flare explanation... Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] recommendations for weight scale, vernier caliper??
Okay, so now that I have 31 bits of space rock and 1 impact breccia and I am working on putting together my little database, I find that while many dealers usually at least provide weights, they don't always have dimensions (good to know so that I can figure out what size display cases or membrane boxes I need to get)... And then of course, I have several UNWAs that were a hodge podge so they didn't really have anything! So, what is the recommended scale to use for measuring the mass?? I could go very cheap and simple on measuring the dimensions, but was wondering if there was a recommendation for any particular caliper or similar instrument?? I did search the Met List archive but nothing popped up for caliper except in the use of displaying meteorites... Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonham's auction
They've got a couple of other 'meteorites' available... the one from the POD is out of the display box... the Zagami doesn't look like the other slices I could find pictures of online... Of course it doesn't help that there is no scale indicated There's also a slice of LA 002... The only one that looks authentic to my very untrained eyes is the Campo... http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?screen=MySearchResultssaction=searchsFreeText=Mars%20Meteorite There is a contact name/number listed on those pages... Clear Skies! Elizabeth ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Kieron, All, Looks to me like one of the Martian individuals going around that can be purchased at a much lower price because it has not been put through its paces and properly classified and paired with that number or all the other numbers I have seen. The presentation looks really crude too...badly photoshopped label and knifed hole. I wonder what provenance has been checked buy the auctioneers? Graham, UK Kieron Heard kieron.he...@ukonline.co.uk wrote: Hello Folks, Here is an interesting one - an NWA meteorite from the Mohave Desert! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/7690889/Pi ctures-of-the-day-7-May-2010.html?image=17 A visit to Bonham's website confirmed that the name should read NWA 4857. Even then I am a little confused - the stone being auction is described as whole and fusion crusted, with a mass of 3.64g, but the MetSoc database describes NWA 4857 as a single stone of 24g. Something doesn't add up. Regards, Kieron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] So excited! I just got my little slice of Wisconsin!
Hi Joe, Thank you!! I just got my 4g slice of Wisconsin. It is beautiful, has some very nice crust... Got to show it off here in the office! Clear Skies! Elizabeth adastra...@gmail.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented Stone For Sale (Ad)
What I find even more funny is that because of the setting Eric had on the picture, that anybody could look at it, you don't need a Facebook account to see that picture. It would be like going to a personal website or to a picture on Flickr,... You wouldn't have been able post comments on the picture unless you were logged in, but that would have been true of almost any other photosharing website as well. Clear Skies! Elizabeth, avid Facebook user wonderful fields of WI, yet people can't bring themselves to join Facebook to look at a photo of a gorgeous fully fusion crusted flight oriented WI meteorite? :) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented Stone For Sale (Ad)
As I was... I was pretty sure that I was not logged in when I looked at it last night... Clear Skies! Elizabeth Elizabeth Warner wrote: What I find even more funny is that because of the setting Eric had on the picture, that anybody could look at it, you don't need a Facebook account to see that picture. It would be like going to a personal website or to a picture on Flickr,... You wouldn't have been able post comments on the picture unless you were logged in, but that would have been true of almost any other photosharing website as well. Clear Skies! Elizabeth, avid Facebook user wonderful fields of WI, yet people can't bring themselves to join Facebook to look at a photo of a gorgeous fully fusion crusted flight oriented WI meteorite? :) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] joining Facebook or photosharing sites
So, I did some testing and experimenting. Eric, there is a link you can send out for that picture that will give the list access to see it without folks having to join Facebook if they don't want to. You get the album link when you are editing that album (scroll to the bottom of the page). But for those of you complaining about having to join something and suggesting various photo websites, please note that even if Eric had put his picture on imageshack, photobucket, flickr, or shutterfly, and had the settings done just right, you would have needed a password to access the picture on those sites as well. So blaming Facebook was very uninformed. In fact, from my little experimenting, I found that the privacy controls in Facebook were easier to find/adjust/control than those on the photosharing sites. Clear Skies! Elizabeth (aka adastragrl on many photosharing sites...) Elizabeth Warner wrote: What I find even more funny is that because of the setting Eric had on the picture, that anybody could look at it, you don't need a Facebook account to see that picture. It would be like going to a personal website or to a picture on Flickr,... You wouldn't have been able post comments on the picture unless you were logged in, but that would have been true of almost any other photosharing website as well. Clear Skies! Elizabeth, avid Facebook user wonderful fields of WI, yet people can't bring themselves to join Facebook to look at a photo of a gorgeous fully fusion crusted flight oriented WI meteorite? :) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 40KG Ice falls from German Sky According to Chinese News
In most places they call that hail! 40KG Holy hail!! Clear Skies! Elizabeth drtanuki wrote: Dear List, Chinese news reports that a 40kg piece of ice fell from the sky in Germany: German heaven a great river of ice 40 kilos - 5 hours ago It is reported that white piece of ice of unknown origin seeped blue, color purity, the police estimated that there may be even higher than the rare meteorite meteorite ice. At present the ice has been stored awaiting further analysis of relevant experts. Copyright: Henan Daily, Henan ... 德国天降一块40多斤冰块 大河网 - 5 時間前 据悉，这块不明来历的冰块白里透蓝，色泽纯净，警方估计有可能是比陨石还要罕见的陨冰。目前冰块已经被保存起来等待有关专家的进一步分析。 版权所有：河南日报、河南 ... http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dutch Meteoritical Society- Hunt for TC3 meteorite Almahata Sitta
The link that worked for me was http://www.xs4all.nl/~dmsweb/e-radiant/eRad-10-2.pdf The article seems to be recounting the adventures of several dutch scientists who attended http://asima.seti.org/2008TC3/workshop2008TC3.html So it wasn't just amateurs, these were invited individuals and they did not get to keep any pieces they collected. (I worked for Dr. Lucy McFadden, one of the other invited scientists and she's given a couple of presentations about that adventure as well.) Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 drtanuki wrote: Dear List, Great photos and story of the DMS searching in Sudan for Almahata Sitta. If someone figures out how to translate the .pdf contents please email me. Thank you. http://www.xs4all.nl/~dmsweb/ 2010/2 e-Radiant .pdf wikipedia: TC3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_TC3 Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Time to revisit Lorton?
Well, right now, we are dealing with yellow snow... (pollen) We did have some pretty torrential rains a few weeks ago which helped get rid of the last remnants of snow, but which could have washed any small pieces away that hadn't been snowplowed onto yards... I live in Alexandria (~15min away from Lorton), but don't have any equipment to go hunting... Clear Skies! Elizabeth warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Listees and Hunters, Well, the snow should be just about melted by nowmethinks. (I live in Florida, so what do I know) Are the hunters going to descend on the Lorton area and start looking again? Or, has this fall been written off? Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Are there meteorite-collecting tours?
There are a number of astronomy tours hosted by the magazines Astronomy and SkyTelescope... I came across this one recently http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=aid=9455 Clear Skies! Elizabeth Erik Fisler wrote: There is not outfit that I know of but I've seen tours provided for groups at Franconia by some in the meteorite community. The nuggetshooter forum (nuggetshooter.com) has annual outings to Gold Basin and Franconia as well. [Erik] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:22:00 -0500 From: veom...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Are there meteorite-collecting tours? I know in the fossil industry there are several outfits that lead trips to go fossil collecting for a fee, same with the mineral industry. Is there an outfit in the meteorite industry that leads collecting trips for a price? -YvW __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Lorton thought....
Hi Mike, I live in the area, so I'll try to take a stab at answering... Snow plowed from the streets and most lots was generally plowed off to the side of the road or lot where it eventually melted. I should have taken a picture of the pile that was in the Pentagon lot... it was there last weekend still, but this weekend (after several very nice days) it is gone... The snow piles that were dumped over the edge of the parking garage at campus were still there (they are on the north side of the building)... Some parking lots but mainly garages that couldn't plow snow to the side would have it transported... not sure where though. I'm sure that around Lorton, the neighborhood streets were plowed but the snow left in huge drifts on the side of the road and on property Clear Skies! Elizabeth On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Listees and Hunters, Although I was born up north and walked to school in the snow, we moved down south when I was a grade-schooler. So forgive me if my knowledge of snow-related things is lacking. What happens to the snow that the city/county snowplows move? Is it possible that some Lorton meteorites may have been buried under the subsequent snow, and ended up being snowplowed down the street into a big pile somewhere and dumped. Is there some kind of routine for disposing of this material? If so, where does it go? Is there some centralized dumping ground that may have meteorites buried in it? Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] questions about Riker boxes or similar cases
So, I've got a growing little collection of about 20 pieces that are currently still sitting in the original wrappings, boxes, envelopes, etc that they were shipped in from you to me... Not the best way to show them off. I think I like the Riker type box but am worried about the glass scratching (slices) or getting scratched by small irregular shaped pieces. But I would have room in the box to include a note card with information. I also saw a simple case on Gary's website that I think I like... I've also looked at the membrane boxes, but it doesn't seem as easy to label... ?? And I'm not sure how sturdy they are... I have one specimen, my first which was a gift from about 5 years ago, in one and even though it has been sitting undisturbed in a rarely accessed office drawer, the box seems pretty scratched up and the little edges on the top half have broken off. I've been googling and searching... ideally, I would have a cabinet, where they could be displayed for folks to look at, but realistically, I think that some kind of box in which I can include a more detailed label would work for me. Comments? Recommendations?? Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD:Almahata Sitta 2008 TC3 for sale on eBay
LOL, heaven-forbid you sneeze while trying to get an up close look at that!! Is there a minimum size for micros? Clear Skies! Elizabeth Shawn Alan wrote: Hello Listers, I would like to offer a Almahata Sitta micro on eBay for those who collect on a micro level. This is a perfect opportunity to add this to your collection before Almahata Sitta is not available at reasonable prices. For those that haven't heard about Almahata Sitta here is an intro what you will find on my auction on eBay Up for auction is a micro Almahata Sitta meteorite (2008 TC3) which fell on 7 October 2008, 05:46 h local time (UT+3) in Nahr an Nil, Nubian Desert, Sudan. Almahata Sitta classification is Ureilite, polymict, anomalous. Here is a chance to own the many firsts that Alamahata Sitta has set in meteorite history. The current market value is around $1500 a gram and here is a chance to own a micro at a fraction of the cost before it sold out. Here is a video link about Almahata Sitta meteorite (2008 TC3)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoZ1WK7_L7c What makes Almahata Sitta meteorite so special is that on October 6, 2008, a small asteroid called 2008 TC3 was discovered by the automated Catalina Sky Survey 1.5 m telescope at Mount Lemmon, Tucson, Arizona, and found to be on a collision course with Earth. This is the first time scientists were able to observer the course of a meteorite fall from space before it ending its journey in the Sudan Desert. What also makes this Almahatta Sitta even more unique is that it’s the first Ureilite meteorite to have traces of amino acids which scientist believe could have jump started life on Earth. So please when you have a chance take a look at the auction at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260573378358ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Easy comet, easy go
Umm, yes there is... it's a SOHO comet... http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007IAUC.88441U [BUT, this may be the wrong name... another website has some corrections from Howe, see below] He took 6 images and there were more images taken the next day... ... Mr Howes captured six images that showed what appears to be a mountain-sized chunk of ice that has broken away from the giant dirty snowball that forms the nucleus of a comet. A second set of images obtained the following day - last Friday - showed that the new fragment is still trailing the comet, which is officially called Comet C2007 C3. Ohh. here's another website that has some corrections... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1260049/Exploding-comet.html Corrections to the above 1: Orbit is wrong, this should be updated (Faulkes Telescope will contact the Mail) 2: It was first spotted in 2007, hence C/2007 Q3 3: IAU replied a few days later confirming my observations. The official announcement from the IAU is still pending 4: Other observatories have seen the event, I was the first to publicly announce it 5: American astronomers at Williams University did not see the event, as their telescope and seeing may have not been sufficient - Nick Howes, London UK, 23/3/2010 12:27 Clear Skies! Elizabeth Richard Kowalski wrote: The comet discussed here (and apparently no where else), C/2007 C3 doesn't exist, or maybe I should say there is no such comet with this designation. To be sure that this is actually a fragment, you need more than a single image. I don't see any indication that this is anything more than a background star. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Easy comet, easy go To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:52 AM Photos at link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8579963.stm Amateur sees comet breaking up from desktop An amateur astronomer has made a major astronomical discovery while accessing a telescope in Hawaii over the internet while at work in the UK. Nick Howes took pictures showing the icy nucleus of a comet breaking up while he sat at his desk in Wiltshire. He used a remote-controlled telescope through the Faulkes Telescope Project, run by experts from Cardiff University. Dr Paul Roche said the university was delighted and that the images appear to show the comet nucleus disintegrating. What this illustrates is what is achievable when amateur astronomers can get their hands on such a powerful telescope, he said. The School of Physics and Astronomy's project, which was created to help teach schoolchildren science and maths, offers access to a pair of remotely controlled telescopes, located on the Hawaiian island of Maui, and at Siding Spring in Australia - via the internet. Using the £5m Faulkes Telescope North in Maui, Mr Howes captured six images that showed what appears to be a mountain-sized chunk of ice that has broken away from the giant dirty snowball that forms the nucleus of a comet. A second set of images obtained the following day - last Friday - showed that the new fragment is still trailing the comet, which is officially called Comet C2007 C3. Dr Roche said: As the nucleus of a comet is typically tens of kilometres across, this fragment is probably mountain-sized, and will become a small comet as it gradually separates from its parent. It is now hoped that astronomers will follow up Mr Howes's discovery using instruments such as the Hubble space telescope. We hope to involve schools in observing this comet over the next few weeks, so that we can see what happens to this new fragment, added Dr Roche. It is also hoped that this discovery will help encourage others to use the telescope for research and to help make new scientific discoveries. Last year, another amateur astronomer, working with several UK schools and the Faulkes Telescope Project, discovered the fastest-rotating asteroid in the solar system. More than 200 UK schools have used the telescopes to help in science lessons, often gathering data that is used by university researchers. As well as amateur astronomers this project allows researchers from the university to help schools access professional equipment, and learn more about how modern science is really done, Dr Roche said. We hope this discovery will help encourage others to use the Faulkes Telescopes and lead to even more scientific discoveries. The Faulkes Telescope Project was launched in March 2004 by the Dill Faulkes Educational Trust, as a way of helping to inspire school students to study science and maths. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Keeping a meteorite database
Hi Steve List, I would also be interested if something already exists... But making a database (using just Excel or other similar spreadsheet program, I'm also okay using MS Access) wouldn't be hard, but what fields should be included? Since I'm also new to collecting, I wouldn't know off the top of my head what notes to make sure I record with my acquisitions... I've noticed that generic info about a meteorite is usually included in the eBay descriptions and that's easy enough to copy, but what things about my specific specimen should I take note of?? Also, any advice on how best to display them? (one came with an acrylic easel...) (11 meteorites with 2 on the way) Clear Skies! Elizabeth Steve Witt wrote: Greetings list, I remember several years ago that one of the list members (I think) had a meteorite database available on CD. It was simply a matter of downloading to your computer and it formed the framework for keeping all pertinent info on your collection, including a place for photos. Is there something like this still available? If not I would like to ask that those that do catalogue their collections please give me some ideas on what programs you are using. I really have no idea of where to start. Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated. And if there are any computer geeks on the list, a CD like the one I mentioned would probably sell quite well here on the list. thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Keeping a meteorite database
Hi Martin, Is there a link?? (Or did I miss an email?) Clear Skies! Elizabeth karm...@email.de wrote: Hi Steve it's a multilanguage version.There is only one version. You must download it, install it and then within the program, which is first in German, you can change the language (at least the 'user interface language' I don't know yet how to change the category field names to English, if possible) Just click in the following order: Start on top with: 1. Bearbeiten 2. Einstellungen 3. Allgemein 4. Benutzeroberflachensprache (user interface language) There it says Deutsch (German) and you can change it to English That's it I think you just have to try it out Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Keeping a meteorite database
So, seeing the name of the German website (collectors software) I googled it (in English) and found apparently lots of *programs* available in English... http://www.collectionstudio.com/en/ http://www.vpackrat.com/ http://www.collectiblessoftware.com/trh.html are just a few... interesting... (and people really collect some weird stuff!! Meteorites, stamps, coins, I understand... fruit and vegetable labels???) Thank you for all the feedback, I will probably keep it simple and just use Excel for the time being and appreciate the input for the fields... Clear Skies! Elizabeth There is an excellent German shareware program called 'GS Mineralienverwaltung' which works very well for minerals and meteorites. Screenshots here: http://www.sammlersoftware.de/gs-mineralienverwaltung-2-p-81.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
http://www.moviepro.net/movies-tagged-as-meteorite.html There were 2 Meteor movies (1979, 2009), Meteorite (movie), Meteor Storm... http://books.google.com/books?id=JADiKdzkJqsCpg=PA186lpg=PA186dq=meteorites+pop+culturesource=blots=ayMUYF7vbKsig=6zQaBDm6SO_fwBso5r7TkxS7t4Ihl=enei=iHaaS8HvCcH48Aa7u_2NDgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=10ved=0CCQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepageq=f=false Clear Skies! Elizabeth Darryl Pitt wrote: Wow---someone sure did their work on Tunguska and popular culture---but this is too specific for me. I was advised the storylines of several recent films contain a meteorite thread or reference?? And then,... Deception Point (Dan Brown) whose German translation is entitled Meteor; Smilla's Sense of Snow (Peter Hoeg) National Geographic's Naked Science: Countdown to Impact On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Darryl, Great idea. Here are a few that readily come to mind - you probably already have these on the list. Some of these are not really meteorite-related per-se, but fit loosely in the group perhaps. Armageddon (movie) Deep Impact (movie) Lucifer's Hammer (book) Meteor Man (movie) Shoemaker Levy-9 event (brought comets and NEO's to the mass media, tons of documentaries) Meteorite Men Meteorites! (1998 made for TV movie) Meteor (movie) 2012 (the nonsense and the movie) Stewie's head is compared to a meteorite by Brian in song (a Family Guy episode) There are meteorite shoes and cosmetics all over eBay - FWIW. Best regards, MikeG On 3/12/10, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question
So you're going to hold the Smithsonian responsible for something that happened 72 years ago?? Granted, what the reps of the Smithsonian did way back then is not cool, but I don't think that punishing the current institution is exactly fair either... I mean, if we were to search and find something in your family history that you're not proud of and then hold it against you, how would you feel?? Clear Skies! Elizabeth MIke Antonelli wrote: During my investigation and hunt for the Chicora meteorite, I found out the Smithsonian strong-armed the owners of the specimen that was found on their own land...Stating You must turn this over in the name of science...And they did...Granted, this was in 1938, but the truth of the matter is they came in, collected what little material there was, and split without so much as a thank you to the landowners. If I ever DO find that main mass,(and yes, it is still out there) they will get NONE of it...Sorry, but from the stories Ive heard about what took place back then (and yes, Ive gotten first hand accounts), it was not right, and they were even bullies about it! It was actually a hammer that tore the hide right off of a cow, that later that day had to be put down. Also a piece struck a chicken coop, and the other stone actually got tangled in a young girls dress as it came down. I have interviewed everyone that was there, that is still alive, and just talking to these folks made me somewhat ashamed of the Smith, and the way they handled things. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question
Wow! That is some very bizarre logic Carly... Heaven-forbid you ever do something wrong/illegal because then we'll hold your kids and grandkids and great-grandkids accountable as well! What matters is how the Smithsonian and other museums behave now. And most museums are doing the right things recognizing that stolen property is not a good thing. But to expect them to go back and fix everything that curators did 72 years ago is a bit unreasonable. Clear Skies! Elizabeth cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Liz, It's never too late to do the right thing is it? The smith still exists. Why should they not be held accountable for their past sins ? Our great nation was built on doing what's right wasn't it? But, we have a terrible track record of self policing. What voters can do is nudge them a bit so they get back on the right track. Court litigation would be second best way to persuade the doing of the right thing. The Government is for the people not against us. Retribution is sometimes in order then forgiveness can follow? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: So you're going to hold the Smithsonian responsible for something that happened 72 years ago?? Granted, what the reps of the Smithsonian did way back then is not cool, but I don't think that punishing the current institution is exactly fair either... I mean, if we were to search and find something in your family history that you're not proud of and then hold it against you, how would you feel?? Clear Skies! Elizabeth MIke Antonelli wrote: During my investigation and hunt for the Chicora meteorite, I found out the Smithsonian strong-armed the owners of the specimen that was found on their own land...Stating You must turn this over in the name of science...And they did...Granted, this was in 1938, but the truth of the matter is they came in, collected what little material there was, and split without so much as a thank you to the landowners. If I ever DO find that main mass,(and yes, it is still out there) they will get NONE of it...Sorry, but from the stories Ive heard about what took place back then (and yes, Ive gotten first hand accounts), it was not right, and they were even bullies about it! It was actually a hammer that tore the hide right off of a cow, that later that day had to be put down. Also a piece struck a chicken coop, and the other stone actually got tangled in a young girls dress as it came down. I have interviewed everyone that was there, that is still alive, and just talking to these folks made me somewhat ashamed of the Smith, and the way they handled things. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Fw: Request Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map
Even I figured this one out... yes, it says unknown down in the Geography section, but if you read up near the top in the Writeup section, it clearly says Writeup from MB 97: Whetstone Mountains Arizona, United States [location information to be withheld until publication in MAPS] I imagine that once MAPS is published, that those two parts of the page will get updated accordingly... Clear Skies! Elizabeth cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Jack, I am so sorry. I guess I am mistaken. I mean the place where it says Coordinates Unknown must have meant something else? Where exactly is unknown, AZ? see link http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?sea=Whetstone+Mountainssfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=49514 I guess I thought that since it shows up in the bulletin that the mapping was already done. By the way I did say Nothing personal here but as always it's who you know I guess. sorry. So, I say again nothing personal here but as always it's who you know. Sorry! So, where are you getting the latest one you found classified? Because it is not the third AZ fall is it? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com wrote: Carl, Since you posted your comment to the list in regards to myself and my son, I am going to comment openly on this list in reply. The University of Arizona was immediately supplied with the coordinates of the Whetstone Mountains area fall. The U of A would not classify the sample of WM without the coordinates, nor could the meteorite be officially recognized by the Meteoritical Society without the exact coordinates. The coordinates were withheld as a courtesy to allow for the proper mapping of the strewnfield. Apparently, the Meteoritical Society and the University of Arizona find the data not only useful but very valuable as well. I take great exception to your implications in your post that I received favored treatment from the U of A because my son is a graduate student there. Great exception to your ignorant comment! I am actually fuming at the moment! My son Devin had absolutely nothing to do with the classification of the meteorite or the fact that the classification was accepted by the U of A and accomplished so quickly. The University of Arizona accepted this for classification due solely to the fact that it was the first Arizona fall recovered in 97 years and was recovered in their own back yard. It had nothing to do with my son or who you know. The fall was historic and important to my Alma Mater, the University of Arizona. If you do not know what you are talking about, then I suggest you keep your mouth shut. You owe my son Devin and myself an apology for your ignorant and uncalled for comments. Dr. Jack L. Schrader - Forwarded Message From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com; jgross...@usgs.gov; Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:04:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map Greg, I'm not saying they are useless. I am just saying for scientific knowledge they are not all that important. I'm just saying that I don't like having my new find classification held up because I don't want to share co-ords at this time. that's all. Although depending on who you are you may be able to get it done without co-ords. If you are say, someone named Jack and your son works at U of A Planetary sciences perhaps? Nothing personal here but as always it's who you know I guess. sorry. And by the way. I don't remember where I found that beautiful blood red ruby. Why do you ask? If I happen to remember, you will be the first to know. NOT! -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: What if the Brenham meteorite never was documented. Perhaps Steve Arnold would have never found his huge meteorite a few years back. Never developed his searching technique and thus perhaps no Meteorite Men. Just imagine if a friend came home and showed you a beautiful blood red ruby (gem quality) the size of a baseball, and you asked where did you find that? and he replied I don't know. The more all work together, the more we all benefit and our children benefit. Greg S. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:33:32 -0500 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com; jgross...@usgs.gov CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map Robert, I couldn't agree with you more here about Jeff. He is in my opinion THE most important person on this list. period. Not because I agree with him all of the time but because he always has THE RIGHT THING TO SAY. Which puts him head and
Re: [meteorite-list] Milloners only Seller response.
The listing has been removed!! Elizabeth Gary Fujihara wrote: Aloha Darren, Count, Don, list, So was this ebay listing posted by the property owner of the Dentist office, into which ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] funny commercial
Okay, so, http://www.spike.com/video/bud-light/3334612 Enjoy! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] funny commercial
Yes, clearly the name is wrong... but there is a reason why I posted it to the list... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On Sun, 7 Feb 2010, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Elizabeth: Bud Light Planetarium??? Thanks, Larry Okay, so, http://www.spike.com/video/bud-light/3334612 Enjoy! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Hey Ya'll! I don't know the individuals involved on either side of this discussion. But not all gun owners are irresponsible. As I'm sure not all Scots are arrogant drunkards. (See stereotyping can go both ways!) And while I was not pleased to see the photos showing the irresponsible handling of the guns (sure, take your pics, keep them private, but to show them publicly??), I do believe in the right to bear arms! However, I was even more taken aback by Peter's statement never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks! And what is wrong with a 'hick' or 'redneck'?? As an exchange student in Germany 20 years ago, I was explaining to one of my German friends what a redneck was (I am from the American south... South Carolina!)... And I started to describe it in somewhat derogatory terms until her father walked in and past and I saw he had one of the reddest necks I've ever seen and he was a hardworking farmer... I managed to correct myself before I insulted him. I have found that many 'hicks' and 'rednecks' are in fact well educated and more tolerant than Peter shows himself to be! Clear Skies! Elizabeth warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 A true 'GRITS'... Gal Raised in the South! Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Bernd and List, I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish impulses under control. I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault weapons. I support the right to private ownership of firearms. But, I also believe that all firearms should be treated with respect and they have a proper place. My current firearm has not left it's lock box in over a year - and the last time it was removed was for a cleaning. I would be a happy man if my gun is never discharged or brandished. Again, assuming the pistol that started all of this is real, juvenile tomfoolery with guns is not only irresponsible, but it's also off-topic for this list. Unfortunately, I will catch some flak from my fellow Americans for stating this in public, but we are an arrogant bunch and we think our way is always the right way. As a whole, we have little consideration for the cultures or beliefs of others. To be sure, there are a few right-leaning List members who think that Peter just needs to drink a Coca Cola, smoke a Marlboro cigarette, drink a Starbucks coffee, and watch a mindless Hollywood 3-D movie. And then Peter will realize the errors of his ways. If not, we will declare him a terrorist and bomb Scotland. Problem solved. ;) Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Friday talk on Almahata Sitta in Tucson
And if anyone is in College Park, MD, Dr. Lucy McFadden will be talking about her adventures in Sudan (same conference) on Thu 4 Feb, 12:30pm http://www.astro.umd.edu/events/colloquia/planetary/cal.0204.html Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 Mark Hammergren wrote: Dear Listees, Back in December, I had the good fortune to participate in an expedition to the Almahata Sitta strewnfield, as well as present my research at an international conference on those meteorites and asteroid 2008 TC3 at the University of Khartoum. It was an amazing experience. This Friday, February 5, at the NOAO headquarters in Tucson, I will be giving a lunchtime talk from 12:00-12:30 about the expedition. These talks are generally not advertised to the public due to limited space, but I'd like to invite any of you who might be interested to attend. We can probably accommodate up to ten extra visitors, so please email me offlist to reserve a spot. (If you do attend, please plan to stick around for the second half hour talk, by Quentin Parker of Macquarie University, entitled Bangers and Mash: New light on old stars.) Best regards! Hope to see many of you in Tucson, Mark Hammergren __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy
So, anyone else watching this masterpiece on Syfy? http://www.apocalypticmovies.com/tag/meteor-storm/ http://www.sfuniverse.com/2010/01/29/michael-trucco-talks-battlestar-big-bang-and-one-huge-meteor-storm/ Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on the Lorton... or Lorton hears a Who ?
Well, as a new person on the list, I was pretty surprised at the tone the list took for a few days after the Lorton fall... My first thought after reading some of the messages was parasite, vulture... And I nearly dropped my subscription. But I thought, well, I'm sure not all collectors are like that... Clear Skies! Elizabeth On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Richard Kowalski wrote: I've been informed privately that it was apparently the Smithsonian that contacted the owner of the land and offering payment. I didn't mean to slight any hunter or dealer by my suggestion that one contacted the land owner... I'm a firm believer that sufficient samples need to be submitted for classification and research but I have a huge problem with some researchers that feel they need to horde every milligram for no reason other than to keep it out of the collector market. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Fall - Petrologic type?
The WUSA9 video where they took it to SI says it's a chondrite... Elizabeth Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi List, Anyone care to take a guess as to what type Lorton will be classified as? Is there any early word? Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
