[meteorite-list] Mississippi Fireball a month ago?
Am I the only one that reads Marc Fries blog, Radar Obs of Meteor Events? http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/ms-02-july-2011-0235-utc/ Seems like a good candidate for a possible rock dropper happened last month and the list has been pretty quiet about it. Anyone going to, or already in the field, giving this one a try? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Periodicity of Extinctions
My last comment on this ongoing non-sense. The radio program Coast to Coast AM is a much better venue for it. Unlike you, I am not obsessed with my colleagues. I know them too well! :) Morrison's article you cite was publish more than 14 years ago. I'd be very interested if anyone can see a 26my periodicity in that plot. I can't The second plot you cite is older still, 1984. Science moves forward with time as we learn more. I stand by my statements that there is no Nemesis or periodicity. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged illegal behavior
I was going to hold my tongue about recent issues, including this one. I offer only this quote, and make no additional comment, input or opinion other than all of this is very disturbing in such a tiny community... Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing. ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Lincoln's Own Stories -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Doug Ross d...@dougross.net To: Meteorite List List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged illegal behavior I know there must be another side to this story. I sure would like to hear Stefan and Martin's response, though I can understand their reticence to speak up, under threat of litigation. I won't add to the speculation, except to note that the overwhelming number of List members posting in defense of Chladni's Heirs speaks volumes about their reputation in the community. Doug Ross __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] No Nemesis No periodicity
As has been discussed on this list before, this theory died well over a decade ago, both because it is pretty much impossible for Nemesis to exist, despite some wild machinations by some to try to keep the idea going. The idea of periodicity disappears if anyone spends more than 5 minutes investigating it for themselves. In the last 600 million years there have been 18 Mass and minor extinction events. Many of these took about 15 million years to occur from start to finish but a few took only 1 million or less or took as long as 42 million years from start to finish. The average period between all of these events is 30.6 million years, but the average is not typical. Some occurred in about a million years after the previous one, but other extinction events happened as much as 80 million years apart. There is no Nemesis There is no periodicity in the timing of extinction events. We've been studying the surface of Mars by spacecraft for nearly 50 years and had the first orbiters were in place 35 years ago and we have a pretty good handle on impact rates, despite the single note continuously played by a small group of tooters. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA's Wise Mission Finds First Trojan Asteroid Sharing Earth's Orbit
Let's here more about that mission of yours now Doug! :) -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Wise Mission Finds First Trojan Asteroid Sharing Earth's Orbit July 27, 2011 Trent J. Perrotto Headquarters, Washington 202-358-0321 trent.j.perro...@nasa.gov Whitney Clavin Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-4673 whitney.cla...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-247 NASA'S WISE MISSION FINDS FIRST TROJAN ASTEROID SHARING EARTH'S ORBIT WASHINGTON -- Astronomers studying observations taken by NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) mission have discovered the first known Trojan asteroid orbiting the sun along with Earth. Trojans are asteroids that share an orbit with a planet near stable points in front of or behind the planet. Because they constantly lead or follow in the same orbit as the planet, they never can collide with it. In our solar system, Trojans also share orbits with Neptune, Mars and Jupiter. Two of Saturn's moons share orbits with Trojans. Scientists had predicted Earth should have Trojans, but they have been difficult to find because they are relatively small and appear near the sun from Earth's point of view. These asteroids dwell mostly in the daylight, making them very hard to see, said Martin Connors of Athabasca University in Canada, lead author of a new paper on the discovery in the July 28 issue of the journal Nature. But we finally found one, because the object has an unusual orbit that takes it farther away from the sun than what is typical for Trojans. WISE was a game-changer, giving us a point of view difficult to have at Earth's surface. The WISE telescope scanned the entire sky in infrared light from January 2010 to February 2011. Connors and his team began their search for an Earth Trojan using data from NEOWISE, an addition to the WISE mission that focused in part on near-Earth objects, or NEOs, such as asteroids and comets. NEOs are bodies that pass within 28 million miles (45 million kilometers) of Earth's path around the sun. The NEOWISE project observed more than 155,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter, and more than 500 NEOs, discovering 132 that were previously unknown. The team's hunt resulted in two Trojan candidates. One called 2010 TK7 was confirmed as an Earth Trojan after follow-up observations with the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope on Mauna Kea in Hawaii. The asteroid is roughly 1,000 feet (300 meters) in diameter. It has an unusual orbit that traces a complex motion near a stable point in the plane of Earth's orbit, although the asteroid also moves above and below the plane. The object is about 50 million miles (80 million kilometers) from Earth. The asteroid's orbit is well-defined and for at least the next 100 years, it will not come closer to Earth than 15 million miles (24 million kilometers). An animation showing the orbit is available at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=103550791 It's as though Earth is playing follow the leader, said Amy Mainzer, the principal investigator of NEOWISE at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. Earth always is chasing this asteroid around. A handful of other asteroids also have orbits similar to Earth. Such objects could make excellent candidates for future robotic or human exploration. Asteroid 2010 TK7 is not a good target because it travels too far above and below the plane of Earth's orbit, which would require large amounts of fuel to reach it. This observation illustrates why NASA's NEO Observation program funded the mission enhancement to process data collected by WISE, said Lindley Johnson, NEOWISE program executive at NASA Headquarters in Washington. We believed there was great potential to find objects in near-Earth space that had not been seen before. NEOWISE data on orbits from the hundreds of thousands of asteroids and comets it observed are available through the NASA-funded International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Center at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Mass. JPL manages and operates WISE for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The principal investigator, Edward Wright, is a professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. The mission was selected under NASA's Explorers Program, which is managed by the agency's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory in Logan, Utah. The spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Science
[meteorite-list] Long and Short Scales [WAS: term definitions and usage]
The discussion is actually about Long and Short Scales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales The first paragraph of the page: The long and short scales are two of several different large-number naming systems used throughout the world for integer powers of ten. Many countries, including most in continental Europe, use the long scale whereas most English-speaking countries use the short scale. In all such countries, the number names are translated into the local language, but retain a name similarity due to shared etymology. Some languages, particularly in East Asia, have large number naming systems that are different from the long and short scales. Actually a very interesting page, including the history of the scales and a listing of their use by country. Thanks for the discussion. I learned quite a bit! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang
Are there any hunters who would even give that area a second consideration if it were suggested that should hunt there? -- Richard Kowalski __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Dawn Spacecraft Returns Close-Up Image of Vesta
WOW! Vesta is Weird! This is going to be FUN! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Attn GPS users
Hey Mark, there has been a thread active about this subject on the POI-Factory website since early February. http://www.poi-factory.com/node/32140 A lot more information for those who are interested. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Attn GPS users FYI - Forwarded Message - To: az-geocach...@listserv.azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:29 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Threat to GPS users LightSquared and GPS This should be of concern to all geocachers. http://www.pnt.gov/interference/lightsquared/ Az-Geocaching mailing list lists...@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Az-Geocaching mailing list lists...@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Az-Geocaching mailing list lists...@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Encounter with 2011 MD
Kelly Beatty has an interesting article about the recent encounter with 2011 MD. http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/125041789.html -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Rare Earth Magnets
Hey Count. Who owns the operation now that they are mining again? I'd suspect a Chinese parent company. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Rare Earth Magnets -Forwarded Message- From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Sent: Jul 6, 2011 11:16 AM To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Earth Magnets Hello Everyone, Bit of good news regarding rare earth magnets. One of the world's largest rare earth mining operations is at Clark Mountain on Interstate 15 thirty five miles south of Las Vegas, Nevada. After being closed for several years, it has been re-opened and is operating at capacity. It is an open pit on sit concentrator operation producing several rare earth types. Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Sent: Jul 6, 2011 10:45 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Earth Magnets Hi, All, A recent update to last year's thread about rare earth magnets becoming rarer... http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-October/070115.html http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-October/070115.html News item: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14009910 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14009910 4 July 2011 Japan finds rare earths in Pacific seabed Japanese researchers say they have discovered vast deposits of rare earth minerals, used in many hi-tech appliances, in the seabed. The geologists estimate that there are about a 100bn tons of the rare elements in the mud of the Pacific Ocean floor. At present, China produces 97% of the world's rare earth metals. Analysts say the Pacific discovery could challenge China's dominance, if recovering the minerals from the seabed proves commercially viable. ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Micromounts and weights - Standards Vary
Yikes, Dealers selling milligram specimens after weighing them on $20 flip open scales? All purchases of micro-mounts are suspended until further notice... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery)
-sounding term for me. if for no other reason than to get the IAU all huffy about what we can't call them, I say the mission is well worth it! ;-) Kindest wishes Doug What you describe is exactly why I call this street sweeping. Sure some gems can be in there but mostly you'll get a lot of mixed up junk with no context about where it came from, just like the sand and debris that accumulates on quiet parts of the road. Now to honor my word to return to semi-lurker status Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery)
One last comment. Doug in your second paragraph you ask why this has to be a competition. I didn't know it was. I never realized my comment about there being no known earth trojans would be anything other than a statement of that fact and certainly not become the start of some perceived competition. If you are working on such a mission to the L point regions, I'm unaware of said mission so please forgive my ignorance. I fail to understand how a mission to a region where we have zero targets to investigate is better than one with a logical, known target, but that is just me. I'm sure I am ignorant of many possible spacecraft missions. I'd be interested in hearing how this proposed spacecraft is expected to find the material you want to collect and then how it would go about collecting it? Do you have a idea of the timeline to construct and fly? And to do this for 80 million 2011 dollars? Please continue. Actually there is almost no stress here other than the fire threat and the rains are arriving in southern Arizona. Personal and work are going gangbusters. Hope the same for you. Back to building my BOINC cluster. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) Hi Richard and thanks for the defense from the heart (to the choir of course). Like I said, If I could sign the $800,000,000 funding check (which would equate in one measure to $14.1 million per gram of material returned), I would do it in a heartbeat because it is another program I'd like to defend. I understand your points, I'm just a little fuzzy on why this has to be such a competition due to the relative mission costs and completely different objectives. The libration point mission I propose which you want to call street sweeping could probably be had for a tenth the cost of the relatively inexpensive program you have so much pride, OSIRIS-Rex, so I wouldn't even put them in the same class. And they aren't: O-R is a New Frontiers project with a higher price tag which beat out a fight with a sample return mission to the far side of the Moon, while the libration mission would be part of the low budget Discovery program projects, and likely one of the cheapest ones at that. A libration mission doesn't even need to completely escape Earth's gravitational field - it's only about 200,000 miles which is tantalizing to me as I look at the same number on my truck's odometer. I guess things are tense around there so please don't take the 'pet project' comment in a dismissive light at the early morning hour you wrote the reply, much less find some way to personalize it to a career which is a ridiculous thing to do when discussing the relative benefits of two missions. We all have pet projects that are driven by our passions, professional interests and just a gut feeling. A pet project is the one endearing to you. Forgive me if we all have different perspectives - but are on the same team. If we didn't champion our projects to earn the support or respect for them from others, the world would be a a much poorer place for it. Regarding the funding, we can all related to that - you know how most professional meteorite hunter feels with every big mission they take on; in a far worse support situation than in a University jockeying for funding. I don't mind your being dismissive to equate meteorite/meteoroid/tiny body hunting in space to street sweeping rather than coming up with some fancy named project as I asked for a Meteoroid Exploration Traveler to L's, like Athena-MEt-L for studying the birth of the Earth-Moon system which may have been created when Earth was cracked open with a hammer like Zeus' head was by Hephestus birthing Athena, thunderbolt in hand ... But it would be nice to get a little more respect for it than street sweeping,.. though cute, for some it has its connotations that would make it a terrible marketing strategy and be instantly dismissed! Speaking of the value of returning pristine meteoric material to Earth, any more exciting news from the Stardust analyses lately? Kindest wishes Doug PS I think I'll go back to lurking after hopefully responding to Sterling's perspectives at some point -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:18 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc
[meteorite-list] 2011 MD Animation
I got a few positional images of this object with our 1.5-m (60) on Mt. Lemmon last night, but Jure Skvarč at the Črni Vrh Observatory in Slovenia obtained one of the nicer time lapse animations of the asteroids motion against the background stars. He writes on his Youtube page: The images for this animation were taken using a 60-cm telescope from the Črni Vrh Observatory on the night of 26 July 2011. Each exposure was of 15 seconds. The telescope was tracking on the asteroid, changing the rate of tracking between exposures. The entire sequence lasted about 4h40m, during which 635 exposures were made. At the time the asteroid was less than 20 km from Earth. At the closest approach some 15 hours later the distance was about 2 km. 4 hours, 40 minutes of imaging the NEO until his dawn, compressed down to 43 seconds. Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-pv18xDWCY -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 MD Animation
Hi John. What you are seeing are not companions but instead are imaging artifacts called hot pixels. They are pixels that have a non linear response and are normal. Astronomical imagers usually use a technique called Dark Frame Subtraction to remove these hot pixels from the image. I imagine Yure had some reason why he didn't apply the dark. Another technique to reduce hot pixels is to lower the temperature of the imaging chip that as the response of these pixels becomes more linear again as the chip gets colder. Many use a combination of both cooling and dark frames. Professional observatories cool our cameras so cold that we don't have these hot pixels and don't need to this step during image processing. Hope this helps. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: John Hendry p...@pict.co.uk To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 MD Animation I'm counting what appear to be 17 fainter companion objects in parallel trajectories. Is that what I'm looking at or is it some sort of video artefact? If they are companions can their size be determined approximately from the relative brightness or by some other means? Thanks, John On 28/06/2011 01:24, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: I got a few positional images of this object with our 1.5-m (60) on Mt. Lemmon last night, but Jure Skvarč at the Črni Vrh Observatory in Slovenia obtained one of the nicer time lapse animations of the asteroids motion against the background stars. He writes on his Youtube page: The images for this animation were taken using a 60-cm telescope from the Črni Vrh Observatory on the night of 26 July 2011. Each exposure was of 15 seconds. The telescope was tracking on the asteroid, changing the rate of tracking between exposures. The entire sequence lasted about 4h40m, during which 635 exposures were made. At the time the asteroid was less than 20 km from Earth. At the closest approach some 15 hours later the distance was about 2 km. 4 hours, 40 minutes of imaging the NEO until his dawn, compressed down to 43 seconds. Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-pv18xDWCY -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery)
From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: etmeteori...@hotmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) You want to go the the nearer Lagrangian Points in plain space between the Earth and Moon. That is where the most fascinating stuff is to be found, written in unaltered stone the genesis of the Moon and plenty more debris to keep scientists and collectors busy and overworked for the nex 10,000 years! There are no known Earth Trojans. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye
Citation for (73491) The following citation is from MPC 51191: (73491) Robmatson = 2002 PO164 Robert D. Matson (b. 1962) is a keen amateur astronomer with special interests in planetary science. Besides being a successful meteorite hunter, Matson is internationally recognized for his satellite-tracking software SkyMap. He also found 15 SOHO comets and is credited with more than 200 discoveries of minor planets. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye Dang Rob. Little wonder there is a minor planet named after you. I think that should be upgraded to at least a dwarf planet. -Walter Branch Not everything that can be counted, counts and not everything that counts can be counted. -A. Einstein. On Jun 28, 2011, at 12:52 AM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Whoops! Actually, I was the late one. The orbital elements for 2011 MD were updated several days ago. http://www.projectpluto.com/2011md.htm The closest approach was re-calculated for not 13:30 UTC but 17:00 UTC and the point of closest approach projected on the Earth shifted by some 50 degrees... I missed the update and so did at least one news outlet (The Mail Telegraph, UK) who reported it late. The shame of it -- to do no better than a newspaper! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye Hi All, I'm sure Sterling is well aware of this, but it's worth pointing out to the masses that 2011 MD wasn't late. People are simply guilty of blindly believing their favorite piece of software, apparently ignorant of the limitations of non-integrating propagation. When an asteroid is well within the sphere of influence of the earth, it is hardly appropriate to use a program that's based on Kepler's two-body equations... --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:37 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye Video of 2011MD against background stars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjbA21jjsc The pass was at 7600 miles (instead of the predicted 7500 miles) and it was 3.5 hours late from the predicted time. Mr. Newton could not be reached for comment. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery)
Doug, I think you missed a key word in my post, ... known Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) Richard K says: There are no known Earth Trojans. Hi Richard, Come on ol' friend, even 2500 years ago Anaxagoras deduced: Under the stars are the Sun and Moon, and also certain bodies which revolve with them, but are invisible to us. and we've observed enough meteorites to vindicate him! The invisible he was talking about refers to them being too small to have enough light to reflect to be seen. What is the median threshold resolution we are talking about nowadays (in mass or diameter) at that distance? Perhaps the points are not a pocket full of horses, but Chincoteague Ponies, some used, would be a coupe. Regardless, towing an asteroid back to earth wasn't what I had in mind at all. Look, we've even sent Stardust to play tennis with comets, in hope of getting some micron sized particles, while ignoring the voluminous information guaranteed to be on the shelves of these libration libraries, not in mass, but in rubble and dust, a page at a time and conveniently located. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: etmeteori...@hotmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) You want to go the the nearer Lagrangian Points in plain space between the Earth and Moon. That is where the most fascinating stuff is to be found, written in unaltered stone the genesis of the Moon and plenty more debris to keep scientists and collectors busy and overworked for the nex 10,000 years! There are no known Earth Trojans. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Named minor planets
There are thousands of named asteroids. I'm not sure if anyone has complied a list yet, but it could be a rainy day task for someone who has the interest. If you go to the JPL Orbital Diagram page: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/ You can enter the name of a candidate. To find all of the objects with that name contained in it, add an asterisk before and after the name. For example, for Rob Matson's rock, I entered *matson* If you follow this example too, you'll see two objects, 2586 Matson (1980 LO) 73491 Robmatson (2002 PO164). 73491 Robmatson is a more obvious result because of the exact name match, but reading the citations helps confirm its named for the person you think it is. If there is only a single object with this name, it's page will appear automatically. Still confirm that it is for the person you believe it is. Such list would be helpful to know who has been so honored, but would also be helpful in pointing out any that are worthy but so far are missing. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Named minor planets Any idea how many and who? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery)
Sorry if I'm being obtuse. My terse comment that there are no known earth trojans means simply that. We know of no Earth Trojans at L4 or L5. I simply can't say if there is or isn't anything there. Can't say that either is a good place to find lunar material simply because we haven't found a single Trojan. As for a mission to investigate the regions? Not really that interesting to me. Obviously I'm much more excited by the OSIRIS-REx sample return mission to 1999 RQ36 later this decade. (Plug for LPL UA) 1999 RQ36 is a carbonaceous Potentially Hazardous Asteroid with a diameter of about 350 meters in diameter that has a 1 in 1,800 chance of earth imapct in 2182. I find that mission much more tantalizing than exploring the Lagrangian points to do some street sweeping. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) Hi Richard, I think I missed more than that - so what did you mean in the original post? That a mission there would be a good idea to make new discoveries? I still don't get it, then, and am very interested in what you say. Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) Doug, I think you missed a key word in my post, ... known Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) Richard K says: There are no known Earth Trojans. Hi Richard, Come on ol' friend, even 2500 years ago Anaxagoras deduced: Under the stars are the Sun and Moon, and also certain bodies which revolve with them, but are invisible to us. and we've observed enough meteorites to vindicate him! The invisible he was talking about refers to them being too small to have enough light to reflect to be seen. What is the median threshold resolution we are talking about nowadays (in mass or diameter) at that distance? Perhaps the points are not a pocket full of horses, but Chincoteague Ponies, some used, would be a coupe. Regardless, towing an asteroid back to earth wasn't what I had in mind at all. Look, we've even sent Stardust to play tennis with comets, in hope of getting some micron sized particles, while ignoring the voluminous information guaranteed to be on the shelves of these libration libraries, not in mass, but in rubble and dust, a page at a time and conveniently located. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: etmeteori...@hotmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) You want to go the the nearer Lagrangian Points in plain space between the Earth and Moon. That is where the most fascinating stuff is to be found, written in unaltered stone the genesis of the Moon and plenty more debris to keep scientists and collectors busy and overworked for the nex 10,000 years! There are no known Earth Trojans. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell...
- Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com snip And Richard, who says, that NASA wouldn't buy meteorites? Nasa consists of hundreds of departments - of course if you address to the janitor, he won't buy a meteorite. But those exploring the solar system do, of course. And the abnormal opinion of people, pretending to be scientists interested in meteorites, that a Moon or a chondrite is per se a crime, that you found at best in countries with an underdeveloped meteorite research like e.g. Australia or Oman, but certainly not in USA. ;-) Martin Hey Martin, I never suggested NASA researchers would never purchase meteorites as we all know that some do. And yes, I know some wish they had more funds available so they could purchase more material to study. I can't speak to the scientist's attitude that no one should own meteorites and his or her statement about ethics. Everyone has their own preconceived notions, opinions and prejudices. Professional scientists are people too, with the same failings as everyone else. Enough unintentional hitting of the beehive with a stick for now. Back to semi-lurking. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell...
Nice fantasy Steve, but the idea would never fly; Not even 1/2 second. You have to remember that there are still many influential people at NASA who believe that no one should own any meteoritic material, period. (Yes, even highly weathered H chondrites.) No need to tell me how much science has benefited from the meteorite trade and those individuals do not care one iota about all of the good done for science. Their position is hardened. I recently had one prominent name tell me to my face that all meteorite hunters and dealers are unethical... Now try to convince them that not only should individuals be allowed own meteorites, but you are going to sell our nations crown jewels for a very short term financial gain? Like I said, wouldn't fly for even 1/2 second. Considering the United States is only a single flight away from abandoning manned space flight, that a return to the moon is at least 20 or 30 years away, and will not be the US returning then, if ever, the idea of selling even a milligram of this material is unacceptable, even to me. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell...
Anne, I knew that my post would be taken as hostile, but it was meant to be informative. Please excuse my typical curt style of writing. The 43C temps here in Tucson and a lack of sleep have me a little cranky too. I certainly do not want to excuse these persons, nor discourage those of you who are ethical and responsible caretakers to continue to donate samples. I know first hand how desired and appreciated donated material is to those involved in research. I just wanted to point out that sales of lunar material is a fun fantasy, but the reality is not like that. There are two ways to change the way this attitude of some. With the recent multiple threads about scams scammers, it will be a hard thing to do. More importantly, if those hunters and dealers who hold high standards continue to do so, and the rest of the industry continues to aspire to higher standards as well, attitudes will slowly change. An important thing to remember is sometimes best described in a quote I have used before in the past. Science advances one funeral at a time - Max Planck As for me, selling any Apollo material is a non-starter. I'm sure you'd find a only very small percentage of planetary scientists would agree with the idea, if any. The vast majority will be against it and would vigorously fight against it. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... Well, Richard, Obviously, not all NASA people fell that way, as I have sold meteorites to NASA. Very recently, two nice chunks of Almahata Sitta! Besides that I agree with you. (And I am just back from Ensisheim and still going thru 100s of emails!) Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 6/26/2011 5:29:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: Nice fantasy Steve, but the idea would never fly; Not even 1/2 second. You have to remember that there are still many influential people at NASA who believe that no one should own any meteoritic material, period. (Yes, even highly weathered H chondrites.) No need to tell me how much science has benefited from the meteorite trade and those individuals do not care one iota about all of the good done for science. Their position is hardened. I recently had one prominent name tell me to my face that all meteorite hunters and dealers are unethical... Now try to convince them that not only should individuals be allowed own meteorites, but you are going to sell our nations crown jewels for a very short term financial gain? Like I said, wouldn't fly for even 1/2 second. Considering the United States is only a single flight away from abandoning manned space flight, that a return to the moon is at least 20 or 30 years away, and will not be the US returning then, if ever, the idea of selling even a milligram of this material is unacceptable, even to me. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ready with Meteor Mitts!
Mitts? Not exactly! Just going through my emails, and thought I'd look into this a little bit more before my morning coffee. 2011 MD was discovered by LINEAR yesterday. Most of you probably know LINEAR is another NEO survey, run as a joint effort by MIT the USAF. It's very similar in size though a little bit bigger, to 2008 TC3. It'll pass about 15,000 km (9000 miles) above the earth's surface around 0627 GMT on the 27th. The record holder is a 1 meter rock discovered back in January, 2011 CQ. It passed only ~ 5000 km (3000 miles) above the surface the day after discovery. A little more can be found about the object here:http://www.universetoday.com/87035/another-asteroid-to-give-earth-a-close-shave-june-27-2011/ The conversion table I use has this object in the 6 to 15 meter range, not the 9 - 45 meters they cite. These objects aren't all that rare. about 1000 pass through the volume of space out to the moon's distance each month. Note the media in general has lost interest in these objects too, unless they come a bit closer than usual. Hope this helps. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Global Meteor Observing Forum meteor...@meteorobs.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ready with Meteor Mitts! Dear List and Fellow MeteorRATs (Meteorite Rapid Action Teams), Be ready for some action. Breaking News Alert! O! NEOs to Rock, Rattle, and Roll; Asteroid 2011MD VERY Close Approach 27JUN2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/breaking-news-alert-neos-to-rock-rattle.html Some will see green! Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011
UGH I'm glad that wasn't the headline for the release about 2011 CQ. Anyway, there is a bit of discussion about this object ove ron my Minor Planet Mailing List, including the possibility thatthis might be some old space junk returning. List members here might be interested in some animationsPasquale Tricarico at the Planetary Science Institute put together. Pretty cool seeing how much the orbit is changed by the encounter with the earth. http://orbit.psi.edu/~tricaric/2011MD.html -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011 http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news172.html Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011 Don Yeomans Paul Chodas NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office June 23, 2011 [Graphic] Trajectory of 2011 MD projected onto the Earth's orbital plane. Note from this viewing angle, the asteroid passes underneath the Earth. [Graphic] Trajectory of 2011 MD from the general direction of the Sun. Near-Earth asteroid 2011 MD will pass only 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) above the Earth's surface on Monday June 27 at about 9:30 EDT. The asteroid was discovered by the LINEAR near-Earth object discovery team observing from Socorro, New Mexico. The diagram on the left shows the trajectory of 2011 MD projected onto the Earth's orbital plane over a four-day interval. The diagram on the left gives another view from the general direction of the Sun that indicates that 2011 MD will reach its closest Earth approach point in extreme southern latitudes (in fact over the southern Atlantic Ocean). This small asteroid, only 5-20 meters in diameter, is in a very Earth-like orbit about the Sun, but an orbital analysis indicates there is no chance it will actually strike Earth on Monday. The incoming trajectory leg passes several thousand kilometers outside the geosynchronous ring of satellites and the outgoing leg passes well inside the ring. One would expect an object of this size to come this close to Earth about every 6 years on average. For a brief time, it will be bright enough to be seen even with a modest-sized telescope. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Field Camp
Note that this is only open to 16 people and you must be a geology grad student. From the actual camp page Eligibility Requirements The field camp is designed for graduate college students in geology and planetary science programs, although advanced undergraduate students will be considered if they have successfully completed a summer field geology program and have a demonstrated interest in impact cratering processes. It is open to U.S. and foreign national students -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Public Meteorite Collections? [WAS]: meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium
This post reminds me of a small project I have. You may remember a year or so ago I created two files of larger public meteorite collections, one for Google Earth and the other for those using GPS devices or smartphones. I plan on adding this location to the next update (thanks for pointing it out Rob) and I have a few other minor locations that may be worth a stop and look by those interested in meteorites. I'm appealing to you, kind reader, to let me know of other public collections or displays, however small, that you've come across in your travels, which you think others might like to see. I'm also considering including other locations of interest, such as the Wold Cottage pylon, if anyone is interested in such a thing. Of course suggestions are always welcome. The latest version of the file is available in two formats: The KMZ file for Google Earth can be found at: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kowalski/meteorites/Public_Meteorite_Collections_v2.kmz The POI file for your Garmin GPS can be found at: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/29100 Both files have been moderately well received, but one last question to you who have GPS units. I build my files in the Garmin GPX format. Would those of you who don't have a Garmin, would you be interested in the file if it were available in a different format, such as the Tom Tom OV2? Suggestions comments should be sent to me off list. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl wrote: From: Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 2:44 AM Hello List, A Dutch collector-friend asked me if I would be interested in lending out some meteorites, for them to be displayed in the Eise Eisinga Planetarium in Franeker (Netherlands). The planetarium is reported to be the oldest still working Planetarium in the world (build from 1774 to 1781). It sounded like fun, and a nice opportunity to introduce people to the world of meteorites, so I agreed to participate. A photographic impression can be found at my website: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/Special_topics/Eise_Eisinga_Planetarium_Fra neker.html I think even if without the meteorite display, the Planetarium is definitely worth a visit when in the area. Enjoy, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 www. AsteroidChippings.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Public Meteorite Collections? [WAS]: meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium
I forgot to mention I am also interested in locations such as the Turkish mosque with the possible meteorite embedded into the wall, an article about which was in a recent issue of Meteorite Magazine. (Sorry I don't have the issue close at hand so can't cite it properly right now.) Since I only have a handful of recent Meteorite mags, other locations mentioned in past issues would be new to me, Citations are useful, but a city country is helpful and a full address is most efficient. I look forward to hearing more about these hidden gems Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Meteorite Collections? [WAS]: meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 1:08 PM This post reminds me of a small project I have. You may remember a year or so ago I created two files of larger public meteorite collections, one for Google Earth and the other for those using GPS devices or smartphones. I plan on adding this location to the next update (thanks for pointing it out Rob) and I have a few other minor locations that may be worth a stop and look by those interested in meteorites. I'm appealing to you, kind reader, to let me know of other public collections or displays, however small, that you've come across in your travels, which you think others might like to see. I'm also considering including other locations of interest, such as the Wold Cottage pylon, if anyone is interested in such a thing. Of course suggestions are always welcome. The latest version of the file is available in two formats: The KMZ file for Google Earth can be found at: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kowalski/meteorites/Public_Meteorite_Collections_v2.kmz The POI file for your Garmin GPS can be found at: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/29100 Both files have been moderately well received, but one last question to you who have GPS units. I build my files in the Garmin GPX format. Would those of you who don't have a Garmin, would you be interested in the file if it were available in a different format, such as the Tom Tom OV2? Suggestions comments should be sent to me off list. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl wrote: From: Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 2:44 AM Hello List, A Dutch collector-friend asked me if I would be interested in lending out some meteorites, for them to be displayed in the Eise Eisinga Planetarium in Franeker (Netherlands). The planetarium is reported to be the oldest still working Planetarium in the world (build from 1774 to 1781). It sounded like fun, and a nice opportunity to introduce people to the world of meteorites, so I agreed to participate. A photographic impression can be found at my website: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/Special_topics/Eise_Eisinga_Planetarium_Fra neker.html I think even if without the meteorite display, the Planetarium is definitely worth a visit when in the area. Enjoy, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 www. AsteroidChippings.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nice space junk
Not just any bolt, but one off of Gagarin's Vostok? $3k is dirt cheap. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA can't ID Space Object
Rubin and all, that is comet P/2010 A2 (LINEAR). It is the second know asteroid impacted by another asteroid. The first one was discovered by Dave Jewitt a number of years ago. I don't have that one's designation handy at the moment... The most recent impacted, (596) Scheila was discovered by Steve Larson using our 27 (0.69-m) Schmidt telescope last December. I was on our 60 (1.5-m) telescope that night and was able to confirm the discovery just before dawn that morning. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 5/21/11, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA can't ID Space Object To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 4:00 PM NASA can't ID Space Object http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g83ZrMltJO0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Jeff Kuyken Finds his First Meteorite
-- On Fri, 5/13/11, Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net wrote: I had a first as well - my first taste of Vegemite on toast. I have to say, it is pretty nasty Cheers, Mike Bandli I'd rather have the beer instead Mike! Congrats Jeff! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss
--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites. AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to PROVE innocence. Prove guilt if that is your Thing, but asking someone to prove they are innocent is Not how we do things in the ol' U S of A. Michael Just reading through this thread with sadness, disappointment and concern. No Mifflin here and no plans to own any, but this is a problem for all. I do have to respond to Micheal's post here. While I agree that you shouldn't have to prove your innocence in a court of law, you still have to defend yourself if accused. Since for many hunters this is a business, being able to prove you got a stone from a specific location doesn't just make sense, in this day and age, it is a requirement. Digital cameras are in every cell phone made now. Cheap GPS units can be found new for as little as $50. I find it unbelievable that anyone seriously hunting a new fall wouldn't record their finds in this manner. I find it had to believe that even casual hunters wouldn't make this investment. Falls hold little interest for me at this time, but as far as I'm concerned any meteorite claimed to be from a certain fall, without photographic proof of it's location where it fell, including a photo of the GPS coordinates and stone in the pic, is not worth 1/10th the price of documented stones. If you don't want to record this info, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect anywhere near the same price for properly documented stones. A local dealer told me his Japanese customers like seeing photos of him in the field with the stone as proof he actually hunters and recovers them. Maybe that is the standard all fall chasers need to aspire too... And all fall collectors should require. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off Topic - Mines open to the public around San Diego?
Hey all, sorry for this off topic post, but I thought this list's members would have the answers I seek... I am interested in finding the mines in southern California that are open to the public, selling them buckets of mine tailings or other material to hunt through looking for various precious and/or semi-precious stones. I'd appreciate it if some of you could suggest some of the better locations of this type to me, off the list. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Impactor detection budget
Ed, Most of what you asked was not discussed during the meeting as it had nothing to do with the topic of the meeting. I'm no expert in much of what you ask. We've already covered the use of radar for NEO detection extensively on this list. In space means not on the earth's surface, so the lunar surface is included by default. Lidar has all of the same issues that radar has so is unusable for this purpose. PS1 has been operating for some months now and regularly discovers NEOs. PS2, as far as I know is under construction adjacent to PS1 on Haleakala. PS4 is essentially, but not officially dead. Sorry, but I have no interest in other programs funding and that certainly was not part of our meeting. Anything I have heard about other program's funding is, as far as I am concerned, hearsay, unless it is available as public record, in which case anyone should be able to find that online. I can say Catalina is funded through the end of this year. This is the end of our normal 3 year funding cycle. We will be proposing to be extended another three years later this year. Our continuation beyond this year will depends on what Congress decides to budget in the near future. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
Shawn, what I got from the discussion about hammers on this list several months ago, since there is no 'official' term or definition, a hammer can be nearly anything you want it to be. Basically a hammer is a meteorite that strikes a man-made object. But then again, only certain man-made objects, depending on who you are and how you want ot use the term. A dirt road? Man-made, but most here reject that as a man-made object for this purpose. Same goes for if it lands in a field of grain or even just a pasture that was cleared from woodland. Obviously all these are man made objects, but also rejected for this purpose... By some at least. The pond/swimming pool/reservoir, whatever you want to call it is by definition a man made object, so yes PBS can be rightly called a hammer if you wish. Just don't expect anyone, other than me to agree with you. BTW, I'm not intending to be a grenade thrower here, just spouting my own personal opinion. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 12:27 PM Shawn and all, The swimming pool quote is used in the abstract. Later in the article the swimming pool is described thusly: Springs issue at a point where a water gap has been eroded through the ridge and form a creek which flows southeast. About 400 feet below the springs, the creek is confined by a dam 4 feet high. At the head of the pool the water is about 10 feet in depth and 20 feet wide. The swimming pool is the pool made by damming the creek, no doubt for irrigation and/or supplying water for livestock. A photo of the pool is in the May 2000 issue of Meteorite magazine in an article about PBS. The only man-made construction involved is the dam. So I'd say no to it being a hammer. ( unless there was meteoritic material in the water that splashed on the farm truck that was driving by at the time of the fall). Cheers, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 11:39:12 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone? Hello Listers, I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today and I came across an article called THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS BY John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. Abstract The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents were accurately reported. As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is an historic landmark in the region. http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be subjective. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar?
Let's see if this bounces... Thanks Rob. I had left out discussing the inverse square law on purpose, but you covered it well. Eric, As someone involved in the effort literally on a daily basis, I take this very seriously. It is not really hyperbole for me to say that my team and I are literally responsible for the safety of 7 billion people. Something that is in the back of my mind when I am at work. As I mentioned, we have effectively retired the threat of civilization ending and more importantly, that of an extinction level event. Score: Mammals 1, Dinosaurs 0. Sleep easy my friend, sleep easy. I certainly do. I don't want to minimize the threat of these smaller objects, but I also don't want to over inflate it either. If you feel as strongly about the subject, or any subject, contact your government officials and let them know what your priorities are. If enough voices are raised in support for a particular project, the funding is more likely to appear. As I mentioned in my first post, the United States is to my knowledge, the only country funding this effort but it should not be that way. In my humble and private opinion, other countries need to step up and take a little responsibility for this too. Of course no one ever said that this has to be funded by governments. The private sector could fund this one their own. I'd have no problem making our telescopes look like NASCAR. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 11:18 AM Hi Eric, There is one crucial aspect of the radar problem that I don't think anyone here has yet explained which is the main reason it will never (and ~should~ never) be done. It's not about money or politics or priorities. It's about geometry. Anything that a radar can do in space, passive optical detectors can do FAR, FAR better. Asteroid detection with telescopes is an inverse square law problem; asteroid detection with radars is a range to the *4th* power problem. Thus radar is useless for early warning. Where radar is VERY useful is for pinging NEOs that have already been discovered (quite likely by the Catalina Sky Survey) in order to refine the knowledge of their exact orbits. We can only do this for NEOs that come quite close to earth (due to that pesky 1/range^4 factor), and thanks to their enormous size ground-based radars will always be far more sensitive and powerful than anything we could put up in orbit. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:02 AM To: Richard A. Kowalski Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? I've got an idea. (imagine that) ;) Since funding for space programs and missions seems to be so damned hard to get, and budget cuts usually effect the space program first. Perhaps someone should package this program/mission as a defense program. A private company seems to get a government defense contract much easier than a scientific study and research grant right? Technically this is a war of our world. We're a sitting duck in a solar system sized pond for those 140m and 1km sized objects. Anything larger than 140m can do serious damage, kill millions of people, cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, and damage the infrastructure of our nation to an extent it would cripple us on a national security and financial level such that's never been seen before in the history of humanity. After effects from an impact of even a 140m sized object say on Manhattan Island NY would wipe out all of downtown New York City, killing over 10 million people and destroying a world financial hub. Disease would run rampant, hospitals for hundreds of miles around would fill with the injured, and our first responder system would be overwhelmed. It was overwhelmed with 9/11. I couldn't imagine an asteroid strike. Not that an asteroid would slam New York, I'm just using that as an extreme example. The statistical chance of one hitting the Earth is very low, much less that it would impact New York. One could impact in the ocean. 75% chance of that happening right? Maybe that's why the gov isn't doing much on this? Statistics? But those statistics are only based on the ones we know about. It's the one you don't know about that gets you. The more I learn about asteroids, meteorites, and where they come from, the more I realize that there's more out there that we don't know, than we do know. It's sobering for sure. The more we search, the more we find. More eyes open looking up
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar?
Hi Eric, Sorry but I'll have to be a bit blunt here. Amateurs can NOT do what is required. A decade ago it was possible for amateurs to discover main belt asteroids with typical backyard telescopes. That golden age is long gone. To just keep up with the current state of the field, an observatory needs to be able to detect moving objects fainter than 20.0V magnitude with just a minute or two exposure time. Most of the telescopes involved in the NEO survey effort today have apertures of at least 1 meter. The professional telescopes smaller than this are being excluded because they can't detect these faint NEOs were now discovering. I don't know too many amateurs who have optically fast 1-m telescopes in their backyard. To detect and track these smaller NEOs, the amount of light gathering power will need to increase. How many amateurs have 2-m class telescopes in their backyards? There is plenty for amateurs to do in the field of asteroid research, but discovery, even of main belters, is not one of them. Detecting NEOs is big science and it has a big price tag. There is no real way to fudge this. For those interested, I'd suggest you read the National Research Council's: _Defending Planet Earth: Near-Earth Object Surveys and Hazard Mitigation Strategies_ It can be downloaded here: http://www.nap.edu/catalog/12842.html This National Academy of Sciences report to NASA Congress discusses exactly what would be needed to detect and follow objects down to 140-m (starting from where we are now). I've mentioned why radar is not a good option for this. Rob Matson commented on the Inverse Square Law, which alone effectively eliminates radar from being a useful technology for this task. An extremely important point that for some reason always gets forgotten or ignored is that we are NOT looking for impactors just before they hit. We want to find them years, decades or most preferably, centuries before an impact. While objects like 2008 TC3 are of very great interest to those on this list, again bluntly, there is effectively ZERO interest in a concerted effort in finding these objects before they hit, and certainly exactly zero dollars available to build a program to do this. Now obviously we continue to detect these small objects and there is scientific interest in finding more TC3s. We at CSS are looking into ways to increase our ability to detect the small meteorite droppers, but we are mandated by our funding source, the US Congress through NASA to discover large, potentially damaging NEOs. Nothing we do to increase the discovery rate of these small objects are allowed to compromise our mandated efforts. To go from 1km to 140-m objects requires at least 4x more funding for the infrastructure and operations than the current efforts. To go down to 50-m would probably require 10x the funding the 140-m effort would cost, maybe $10,000,000,000, or about Gigabuck per year Getting down to TC3 sized objects, maybe another 10x that. 10 billion dollars a year is unlikely considering the entire NEO budget today is only around 6 million dollars per year. Of course if your desire is to go out and find meteorites after the fact, a widespread network of fireball cameras is much less expensive and much more efficient for that purpose. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cleaning off some dust and dirt?
All, The mailman delivered my latest acquisition today, a beautiful, oriented 98% crusted 107g Millbillillie individual. It does have same nice radial flow lines that I would like to bring out when I have a change to put it in front of the camera. I would like to 'clean up' some of the red dirt/dust to accentuate these lines, but obviously I don't want to damage the specimen and hurt the value. I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on how to gently removes some of this dust/dirt from the tops of the flowlines so they are a little more clearly defined visually than they are now? A gentle wipe with a cotton ball dampened with ethanol perhaps? I know some will say don't touch it; Leave it as it is, but that's not what I am asking so please don't respond with that. I'm not looking to radically change the appearance or character of the stone, just accentuate the flow lines a little more. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? Really?
--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ... Sorta like what you would say to a five-year-old. Always a good idea to talk to reporters like they were five-year-olds. Don't try to make them handle too much. Actually this is true, but not just for the reporters. but the intended audience too. I've often been asked during various interviews seemingly simple questions about complex issues. Of course the answer has to be precise, involved and extended, to answer correctly, but they want a soundbite that has some punch to it. Something I'm loath to do. Even explanations I've felt are too simple are often too detailed and involved for the reporter or producer. A friend who is a local TV new personality once told me that they aim at the typical American 8 to 10 year old's education and vocabulary. I've found that when speaking with the general media, this is unfortunately just about right on target. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Death by GPS in desert
You don't need a gps to kill your kid in a hot car. Those of us who live in hot desert regions know all too well that kids die in cars every summer because the parent decides not to wake them up and just leave them in their seats when they go into a store for just a few minutes, or bring the packages into the house and forget the kid is still in the car. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Logical Lizard reports on this latest controversy
Geoff didn't promote the fact that he wrote about the NYT article and included the text of Anne's rebuttal on his column The Logical Lizard in the Tucson Citizen, so I will It can be read here: http://tinyurl.com/448yrt9 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Logical Lizard reports on this latest controversy
Well this one disappeared into the ether more than 25 minutes ago, so apologies if the original shows up as a double post. Geoff didn't promote the fact that he wrote about the NYT article and included the text of Anne's rebuttal on his column The Logical Lizard in the Tucson Citizen, so I will It can be read here: http://tinyurl.com/448yrt9 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
Let's see if this one posts. Another post I sent at least 4 hours ago hasn't come up yet... As a collector, I've been really frustrated by how wide spread the lack of interest in maintaining one's website actually is. As you point our often the sites are filled with items already sold. I know of at least one dealer who has told me that for the most part given up on updating his site. Personally, when I am looking for a specimen to buy, I couldn't care less what a dealer used to have for sale. It does me no good. If a dealer has an archive section for these, or put sold items at the bottom of the page, that's fine. For me, there isn't much worse than opening a page and seeing a sea of items that have already been SOLD. This often stops me from looking for much more. It has gotten to the point that I'll almost never go to dealer websites unless they post a link to fresh stock I am interested here or on Facebook. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
These damn whippersnappers! In my day we used to walk 5 miles to school in the driving snow, in June. And it was uphill against the wind in both directions! Sorry to be a little tongue in cheek there, but that's what it sounds like. Yes. I've purchase meteorites, this year in fact, sight unseen. The dealer and their reputation is a testament to this. I also send email inquiring if items I am interested in are available. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. It makes little sense to me to fill an inventory page with material you no longer have for sale. It takes just as much time, money and effort to remove an item as it does to mark it sold and in an age when you can get a dedicated website with unlimited bandwidth for $5 a month, and you can update your site instantly with your cell phone, I guess I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't do that. Of course you can always not list any inventory on your site and just tell people to contact you for a copy of your snail mail price list... Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 6:43 PM Uncle Alexander, where art thou? You have to tell the old stories to the Youth, who doesn't want to bear the incredible hardship, to type for a minute an electric message into their newfangled apparatuses and to wait another minute for an answer, in acquiring a desired meteorite specimen. Tell them from the days, where the collectors sat down, painting with the stylus a letter on real paper, putting it in an envelope, taking a walk to the post office, and where the happy ending, after that kind of conversation forth and back, eventuated after months with the find of the specimen in the letter box. Tell them, how people spent only for making enquiries after a specimen and to come to terms for oversea-calls more than today a 3 pound Campo does cost. Tell them the anecdotes, that collectors sometimes paid the flight for the finder, for him to come to show a stone to them. Tell them, how the collectors travelled a thousand miles to the show, to visit two handful of rotten ordinary chondrites. Meteorites! Pieces of other worlds, of The Moon and Planet Mars!! Uncle Alex, see them bluster with SUCH a material, as if they would have to wait a minute too long at the counter for receiving their burgers! O tempora, o mores! The World as Will and Ebay; Or Meteorites are Socks. ;-) Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
I wonder if a link could be added to Met Name Database where this pronunciation tool could be accessed directly? One could find the meteorite of interest and along with all of the other details of the meteorite, click on am icon and hear the pronunciation. I'm not sure of Google Translate can be linked directly, but this might be possible, -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... To: valpar...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 3:27 AM Hi Paul, The second one is right for Huckitta. (Huck-i-tuh) Actually I have found that if you use Google Translate you will get a close approximation for most of the Aussie names. It can actually pull off Millbillillie believe it or not! ;-) Just type the name in the first box, select the native language and hit the speaker icon. http://translate.google.com/ Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:54 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sylacauga Historical Marker?
Last May 22nd an Historical Marker was erected near the site of the Sylacauga fall. I was just wondering if anyone has a photo of the marker they could share? I also see the Net database mentions the two reported locations are separated by 5km, so the location of the marker would be interesting if anyone knows that too. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
There is a bit of a thread about the pronunciation of Muonionalusta when I asked the list back in late August, 2009. Check the archives for that. There was some variation, but most were similar in some way to: Moo-on eon ah-loose-ta -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
I'll pronounce it any way she wants me to. :) -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... To: mikebevmur...@gmail.com, valpar...@aol.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 9:44 PM Hi, all, The American female pronounces BRACHINITE with the CH like a K. The UK female is ch as in church. I haven't seen the phonetics anywhere on the net, or books I have. I would appreciate the proper pronunciation. Cheers, Pete From: mikebevmur...@gmail.com To: valpar...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:11:27 -0600 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... I posted this once before but since you are working on these pronunciations now...A friend of ours came from Willamette, OR. She says Willamette is pronounced Wil lam it, with emphasis on the second syllable. Mike On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:54 AM, wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT -Oil reserves, the reality
David, Thanks for the excellent synopsis. We certainly do go off topic on this list quiet often, but it is well thought out, reasoned and factual posts like yours that make these excursions not so unwelcome. I always find it interesting when complain about the highly manipulated and subsidized oil industry. The drill here crowd always say that by tapping resources here, the price of a gallon will come down. I always ask, Why is that? The crude will be sold on the open market, to anyone in the world with cash to buy it. There is zero evidence that the price will drop due to this new production, after the many years it would take to bring on line, because there is continuing and growing worldwide demand. It is no secret that the oil industry is highly subsidized in the US by tax breaks and a number of other benefits and gives backs We the People provide for this industry. If these blatant subsidizes alone were removed and these companies paid their fair share, the joke, smoke mirror political theater we have going on in DC right now would be wiped out. So, we could have everything being cut if the oil industry just paid their fair share. What always goes unspoken is the fact that the US military protects oil assets and transportation for most of the world, free of charge to both the industry and other countries. The American taxpayer is happy to borrow against their children's future to protect the price and supply of oil for the rest of you. You are welcome. All we ask is you continue to buy our debt and not burn our flag. I recently heard a report that if all of the subsidies were removed from the oil industry, including our military protection, the price per gallon here would be more than $14. I suspect it would be much higher than that in Europe because they would need to pay for protecting their own supplies, instead of letting the United States do it. On one last point, and very off topic even for this off topic post, The same group blamed for the price of gas is also blamed for the death of nuclear power here as well. Unfortunately that isn't true. The bankers are what has killed NP, because they refuse to put money into it. There is just too much down side for the investment. That's why nuclear power here requires large government oversight and huge government funds to exist. Big government and big spending is what is currently supporting both industries. So much for the free market. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New 5+ Kilo Lunar - Shisr 162
--- On Thu, 4/7/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: PS - I hope whoever found it, didn't use a backhoe to remove it. ;) That doesn't matter. Even if it was it is beyond the statute of limitations. :) Looking forward to hearing more. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Hey Michael. I'm sure Larry and other more learned people will respond, but until then, if you have it, take a look at _Meteorites and their Parent Planets_ (partly available online as a Google Book) I'm away from my bookshelf at the moment so can't cite pages unfortunately. To give you a short answer, we know the origin of only Lunars, Martians and Almahata Sitta. Other than that, the best we can do is compare reflectance spectra of asteroid at the telescope and meteorites in the lab, finding the best matches between the two. DAWN will be able to analyze the mineral make up of Vesta and determine if indeed HEDs come from there. I believe that we'll not only prove this connection, but in some cases it should be possible that we'll even be able to pinpoint specific locations on the surface as the origin of the meteorites in our labs and collections. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 6:14 PM Hi Larry and List, I stand corrected. We don't have a smoking gun, but we do have a smoking crater on Vesta. :) I didn't mean to imply that the origin of HEDs was still in doubt. But rather, just to point out that the Vestan origin is a theory, like relativity or evolution. We *know* them to be true, and we can produce evidence that supports the theory, but is the Vesta-HED connection as sure as the lunar or martian meteorite connection? We have moon rocks brought back by Apollo astronauts to compare first-hand with lunar meteorites. We have atmospheric data from Sojourner that we can compare directly with trapped gas in Martian meteorites. Those two connections are rock solid, pun intended. With Vesta, we have spectral analysis and a host of other convincing data (as Larry pointed out), but do we have the kind of solid evidence needed to rule out all other possible parent bodies? I'm guess what I am asking here is this - are there any holdouts in the scientific community who are not convinced that HEDs are from Vesta? And if so, will data from the Dawn mission finally push them into the yes camp? It was my understanding that in the spectrum of parent body and meteorite matching, the Vesta connection was right below lunar and mars, but well above angrites and Mercury. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Michael: Yes, there is a smoking gun and a trail of dust, too. Reflectance spectra of Vesta and areas of Vesta consistent with spectra of HED meteorites and composition of HEDs. Big crater that could be the source of said meteorites. Vestoids in an area where asteroids can be tossed out of the asteroid belt into Earth-crossing orbits. Vestoids IN Earth-crossing orbits. Short of a sample return, not sure what more evidence you need (smoking gun but not a confession). Larry Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO group. I don't think anyone is expecting the Dawn mission to disprove this theory. Everyone expects Dawn to confirm what the circumstantial evidence has implied - that the HEDO group is truly Vestan. While olivine diogenite may not appear in the official classification tree, NWA 1877 is classified as diogenite-an (of which, there are only two approved as such). There other is Grosvenor Mountains 9, which is described
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Media
A lot of energy has been spent of this list and elsewhere in the past day or two about the sham article... I'd be curious to know how many people actually saw or read the article. Of course that is unknowable. I would imagine that the total number will be vastly less that the numbers watching a highly popular TV program about a pair of meteorite hunters. Since the program is seen by new people all of the time and not only in first runs, but by repeats, marathon sessions where an entire season is run in succession, wouldn't it seem strange to someone uniformed who read that article and then they see these two guys traveling around the world finding and pricing these stones? How can they be so overt in their illegal activities? Obviously the answer is their activities aren't illegal, which we all know. Now that this program is gearing up for Season 3 (Congrats again on this Geoff Steve) it is my hope that they will have the opportunity to teach their viewers a bit more about meteorites. Specifically a minute or two spent on the legality of hunting, selling and collecting meteorites. Of course anything they tape can end up on the cutting room floor never to be aired, but I can think of no better outlet to combat this horribly bad information that has cause such a flare up in the community and on this list. There are also a number of excellent experts on their program. One has to wonder why, if this activity was illegal, why would any of them appear in the programs? The obvious answer is that they appear in the program because it isn't illegal. It would be great to see one or more of the expert meteoriticists on the program explain the great benefits that they, their colleauges have received along with some mind-blowing specimens available for research specifically because of legal meteorite hunting. It certainly wouldn't hurt to mention all of the benefits of the legal meteorite trade. Obviously this a random, unsolicited input on their program and I expect it to be fully ignored, but I've said it before, no matter what your opinion of Geoff, Steve and their program, I doubt anyone can deny that they are currently the most influential and informative popular outlet for information about meteorites in the United States and other countries. I do hope they have and take the opportunity to address this issue on air. Just my 2 Zibabwean cents worth... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Pioneer Anomaly: Case Closed
Interesting article by Kelly Beatty at ST, especially in light of Shawn's recent pop quiz about the similar Yarkovsky and related second order YORP effects. http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/119226989.html -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story
Thanks Carl. Kinda what I suspected. The latest film crew I entertained at the telescope seemed nice enough, until after we finished up and were heading home when Sara my fiancee complained about how they were treating her. I was completely unaware of what was going on off camera. I told her that if any crew or reporter treats her that way again she is to tell me immediately and we'll end the interview right then and there. The program has already aired in the UK but I haven't heard a peep yet about it airing in the US. However I did get a copy from a colleague who also appeared on the program. To say collectively those of us on the program were less than pleased about how we all were personally portrayed in this production is an understatement. One thing to keep in mind is ALL reporters have a bias. They ALL arrive at your doorstep or ring you up on the phone with a specific story in mind. If the story is to be that collecting meteorites are illegal and that hunters are thieves and criminals, that is the story, no matter what you tell them. My advise is if someone asks you for an interview, or even just some comments, ask them for more details. What is the story about? What is the angle? and why are you asking ME? The last production left such a bitter taste in my mouth that I'll be happy never to do another one ever. I chuckle when some bash part of the media as if the media they watch, read or listen to is unbiased or not mainstream. Of course they are, but actually saying that doesn't play as well to their audience. Most aren't too bad, but they are all biased in some way and by various degrees. As I mentioned in yesterday's post, sometimes the facts get in the way of a good story. As I mentioned above, my suggestion to anyone contacted by anyone in the media, especially if you trust that outlet, ask them a lot of questions before they start the interview. If you feel any discomfort or doubt, thank them and decline to give them an interview. If you have already started the interview, let them know that you are uncomfortable with the direction their questions are taking. If it continues, don't hesitate to end the interview. For what it's worth... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] So all meteorites are illegal?
Thanks Dirk for posting your links. A direct one to the NY Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html?pagewanted=1_r=1hp An interesting quote: “It’s a black market,” said Ralph P. Harvey, a geologist at Case Western Reserve University who directs the federal search for meteorites in Antarctica. “It’s as organized as any drug trade and just as illegal.” Either Dr. Harvey is mis-informed, mis-quoted or is in the camp of misinformed scientists that believe meteorite ownership should be illegal to all. Good to see Anne B quoted in the article -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] So all meteorites are illegal?
Greg, I'm glad you spoke with the source, Dr. Harvey. Its good to hear he was mis-quoted. I believe that to my core. As someone who has been interviewed many times over the past decade, even being allowed to read and comment on copy before it goes to print (believe me, a hugely rare event!) the editor has the final say and can and often does change and rewrite the article. I've had writers toil over getting the facts correct only to have the article full of mistakes. The facts got in the way of a good story. I'd urge anyone wishing to contact Dr. Harvey, take a day and email him tomorrow. Or in several days. I'm sure he is getting inundated with calls and emails about this from the community. Knowing how busy he probably is, I have no doubt he may be regretting commenting about this just because of the time sink it could become. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Red Canyon Lake fall
Another neat one... And there is that butt again. Specimens: ASU holds 4.24 g distributed between a complete slice, three thin sections and an end piece in a potted butt. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Staggering New American CM1 Meteorite - As Seen on TV, Verified by Blaine Reed!
I see it sold before I woke up. Oh well, that last $0.99 made it too rich fro my blood anyway. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 4/1/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Staggering New American CM1 Meteorite - As Seen on TV, Verified by Blaine Reed! To: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 1:19 PM Hi List, I apologize for pulling a Cottingham and going over the my quota of weekly ads! ;) But I have an announcement that is so mind-blowing that I cannot wait until next week. I am proud to announce the finding of a new American CM1 meteorite! What's more, this meteorite contains PROOF OF EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL LIFE! I am offering to sell the main mass of this ultra-rare meteorite. If it does not sell, I will slice it up and offer smaller specimens to the public. For photos, details, and more information, see this link - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/new-american-cm1-meteorite-rarest-of-the-rare-with-fossil-microbes Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom
I'd be very interested to know if people beyond the heavy end of these falls heard the sonic boom? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 2:03 PM Hello Sonny, Steve, and List, Steve: with Park Forest there were sonic booms reported by many in the area Meteor blazes path to Park Forest (by Joseph Sjostrom and Nancy Ryan - Tribune staff reporters) - March 27, 2003, 1:20 PM CST: ... Garza said he was in bed when he heard his dog barking and what sounded like *thunder*. We all heard a *sound* about two minutes after. It was like a *sonic boom*. Best wishes from the happy owner of five gorgeous Park Forest meteorites, all of which were kindly given to me by Steve Witt and are, of course, still in my collection where they will stay for good! Steve, thank you once again for these beauties! Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Free Lecture on iTunes by the author of Fallen Sky
Thanks Mike. I wanted to point out in addition to this lecture, part of the Steward Observatory series at the University of Arizona, there are a number of other lectures available in iTunesU section of the iTunes Store. All are free. There are several or quite a few that maybe be of interest to readers of this list. We just recently ended a annual series of lectures, this year it is Cosmic Origins. In addition to the Steward lectures there are also public lectures from where I work, the Lunar Planetary Lab. In that series you can find a lecture by Dante Lauretta about our proposed Carbonaceous Asteroid sample return mission, Osiris-REX; Jay Melosh talking about impacts; One by our PI, Ed Beshore about our program, the Catalina Sky Survey, and many others. For those of you with iTunes, click on the iTunes U link at the top when you are in the store and search on Steward, LPL, or just University of Arizona. For those without iTunes, I'd recommend installing it just for the access to the lectures, not to mention all the other free content they offer. iTunes is free too... Unfortunately I know of no way to get these without using iTunes. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/25/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Free Lecture on iTunes by the author of Fallen Sky To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 11:34 AM Hi List, A friend of mine just told me that there is a free lecture available at iTunes U. It features Christopher Cokinos, the author of the meteorite book The Fallen Sky. I don't use iTunes, so I can't provide a link, but you Apple folks can probably find it by searching. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 24, 2011
Another neat one Laurence. Congrats -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] American Meteorite Museum and Quiz
Hi Paul. From what I can tell the crash actually happened in 1964. Here is a report of the accident: http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=69872 I haven't noticed it on my visits, but supposedly part of the tail is still in the crater somewhere. The actual NSTB report is much more dry and succinct: http://www3.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=79450key=0 A MUCH more detailed and interesting account of the event can be found in Jim Tobin's Fragments, including pictures(!), in the September 2008 Meteorite Times http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/september/Jims_Fragments.htm I would assume that the majority of the airframe was either airlifted out, or packed out in pieces. Maybe Jim can tell us more about the final disposition. Nice pics BTW. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 3/24/11, valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com wrote: From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] American Meteorite Museum and Quiz To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 5:02 AM I took a trip to northern Arizona about a week ago and visited Meteor Crater. I stopped by the American Meteorite Museum and took a few pictures, which I posted here: http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa463/pas520/ Then, it was off the Meteor Crater. They've made a lot of improvements since I was last there. It's a very nice facility. Here's the quiz - sometime around 2003 a small plane crashed at the bottom of the crater but it is now gone. What happened to it? Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] February issue of Meteorite just arrived
The February 2011 issue of Meteorite Magazine just arrived in my mailbox. Looks like an interesting issue. I get the nagging feeling everyone else got theirs many weeks ago though. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] February issue of Meteorite just arrived
Thanks Dave. For everyone's information I have received a number of private messages saying that various people around the country have gotten theirs today or within the past day or two. Guess I was mistaken about hearing some had received them weeks ago. Apologies for any confusion I may have caused. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 3/24/11, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com wrote: From: David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] February issue of Meteorite just arrived To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 6:53 PM I received my copy yesterday. Dave --- On Thu, 3/24/11, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com meteoritefin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] February issue of Meteorite just arrived To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:36 PM Hi Richard, Thanks for the post. I know what you mean, as my copy is yet to arrive. Your news gives me hope that mine will show up any day now! Best wishes, Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: The February 2011 issue of Meteorite Magazine just arrived in my mailbox. Looks like an interesting issue. I get the nagging feeling everyone else got theirs many weeks ago though. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT Radiation Dose Chart
I would love ot go on the Chernobyl tour. The photographic opportunities look incredible. I'd be there in a minute if the chance arose. Great chart. While I was looking it over my fiancee asked what I was looking at. I explained the various doses depicted on the chart and we once again discussed a the beautiful Thorium doped Aero-Ektar lens I have in the closet with other equipment. Even though she has a science background, she is still uncomfortable with the concept of radiation. I would never consider her scientifically ignorant but even explaining scales in the chart, the fact that the concrete in our walls irradiates us much more than this lens does, she still is not entirely comfortable with it packed away in the closet. Sometimes logic, reason and understanding still get overwhelmed by emotion and fear. It is hard to overcome the Reptilian parts of our brains... Very interesting chart. Thanks for posting the link. I'm glad they included bananas! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ethics question?
I agree with Bills response. As for the ethics, that will only come into play if you sell it. Ethically you fully disclose the condition. Don't and you are being unethical. Personally I wouldn't be as interested in glued meteorite if I knew that it was. I'd rather have both pieces. If I do buy a glued specimen, it would have to be virtually undetectable and I'd still want a huge discount. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011
Man, I really like spheres! Awesome Jim! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 6:36 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_19_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse
Sounds like you are describing the Encyclopedia of Meteorites website Mark. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 10:35 PM Very nice Ryan, thanks for sharing that. I'm looking forward to more photos of your collection. Do you know of a site that hosts photos different private collections? That would be pretty neat - there's probably one, but I don't do a lot web surfing I also don't keep up with the met list unfortunately. Happy collecting, Mark B. Vail, AZ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Inexpensive Powered Laps [WAS] Info on Polishing Cut Stones?
I've tried polishing a few stones and while it is as straight forward as described, it is also very time consuming. Also for me, two decades in another career have wrecked my wrists, so I'm looking for an inexpensive, (read CHEAP) powered lap. I don't have anywhere near a high volume so I don't have a need for a higher end lap. A lap good for occasional use is all I need. Searching in my price range I see Inland lapidary equipment has 6 and 8 laps (new) that are in my price range. Last year before I got my saw people poo pooed Inland when I mentioned their saw and then sent suggestions for saw 2x to 3x more expensive. It seems that Inland kinda has that end of the market. Just wondering if anyone could suggest any other lap manufacturers out there that I haven't uncovered. I am also very open to buying a used lap from someone if you have one that is going unused. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost/stolen meteorite in transit
Hey Martin. Sorry to hear of your loss. In the previous career I mentioned in my own thread a short time ago, I handled a lot of US Mail. You would be amazed at how mail is handled... Or maybe not... by contractors who do not work for the post office as a normal course of moving the mail. I can easily imagine your package somehow became crushed and in transit the contents fell out. At some point during handling the crushed, empty box was discovery and it was placed in the plastic envelope that was finally delivered. I don't know how you packed you item(s) but I do know that if there is any chance for a box to be crushed because of insufficient packaging, it will be. Not a comment on your packaging, just a word of advice to anyone shipping anything. And, while it is possibly the items were stolen, I suspect that is a very small possibility. Knowing the volume and how most packages are bundled for mass shipment, I'd guess that it is rather unlikely someone was searching the mails, looking at the declared values to find something valuable. I also know for a fact that items insured above a certain value travel in locked and sealed in large, hard-walled cases, with that receive a higher level of service and scrutiny. Not sure what the exact lowest declared value needs to be to for an item to make it into the case though. There may be some postal employee on the list who can be more specific. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 3/17/11, martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: From: martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost/stolen meteorite in transit To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 11:01 AM Hi all, I have just heard that a meteorite that i sent to a collector in the US has been lost or stolen whilst in transit. The box was delivered by the USPS flatpacked in a USPS plastic bag without any of the contents. No note or paperwork or any kind! I sent this via the premium international signed for service and was fully insured. Due to the insurance the full cost was stated on the customs declaration. I normally send things by standard airmail but in this case didnt as i wanted it insuring. It would seem that due to the value declared someone has opened it and stolen the contents. If it was opened by customs then surely there would be paperwork sent with whatever import duty was owed etc. etc. Has anyone else experienced lost/stolen packages like this? Not a very nice experience! Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok
Easy. Gebel Kamil shrapnel. You get the force of the impact from a dense body with the advantage of sharp edges. Now lets see if we can all of these useless talking heads in the media to throw these at each other instead of all this useless argument that gets the United States nowhere but further behind. Now THAT would be worth watching. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 3/16/11, ke...@lobstershack.com ke...@lobstershack.com wrote: From: ke...@lobstershack.com ke...@lobstershack.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 11:14 AM Unless this argument is going to result in people throwing meteorites at each other, can we please take it offline? Maybe we can redirect this conversation back on topic by discussing the following question: If you were to get into a meteorite throwing argument, which type of meteorite would you throw at the other person and why? (taking into account the meteorite can be no heavier than 50g) mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Great News to eBay sellers.
--- On Wed, 3/16/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: Also, because we know buyers take into consideration the total cost of an item, also starting April 19, to encourage sellers to keep shipping costs low, the Final Value Fee will be applied to the total amount of the sale, INCLUDING SHIPPING. That's a non sequitur. The encouragement to keep shipping costs low is competition, not additional fees to the seller. It would be interesting to hear the two-step ebay needs to make to make these two things jive. My guess is smaller sellers get screwed and the larger sellers make special deals. Nothing new under the Sun. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's All-Sky Fireball Network
Thought this might be of interest to the list. http://tinyurl.com/4ez6w3v -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA's All-Sky Fireball Network
Sorry, here is the project's page: http://fireballs.ndc.nasa.gov/ -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Japan 8.9 Earthquake
For those interested, I've updated the USGS plot from Google Earth in the same album. Many huge aftershocks that would be newsworthy on their own due ot their size. Glad we're getting good news from effected list members. Hope it continues. That link again http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2084336id=1350196047l=1f0c4d1dea -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Catalina Sky Survey on FB [WAS meteorite hunting FB]
Sorry, but since others were posting, I figured I'd mention that the Catalina Sky Survey has a FB page too. Not exactly meteorites, but... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Catalina-Sky-Survey/115515971840387 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vesta in 3D
For all of you fellow HED lovers, July will be an exciting time when DAWN arrives at Vesta. In anticipation of it's arrival, researchers at DLR have created a 3D model of Vesta to drape the actual images on top of as they come in. The model includes the shape and elevation data we already have obtained with telescopes, and can be found here: http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-1/9600_read-29421/ Note the craters on the surface are all artificial. We'll see the real ones come July. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Japan 8.9 Earthquake
Glad ot hear Dirk is OK. Tsunami warning now extended to Hawai'i. I grabbed the current USGS plot of the earthquake as displayed by Google Earth. Apparently the area has been pretty active this past week. Anyone can take a look here, even without a Facebook account. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2084336id=1350196047l=1f0c4d1dea -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Japan 8.9 Earthquake
Be advised the warning is now for the US West coast too. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/11/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Japan 8.9 Earthquake To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:51 AM Thanks for the update RIchard. A big shout out to all our Hawaii people, 3:00 am expected arrival time of potential tsunami. Ted, Matthew, Tracy and Dr Murakami, I hope you guys are safe! gary On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Glad ot hear Dirk is OK. Tsunami warning now extended to Hawai'i. I grabbed the current USGS plot of the earthquake as displayed by Google Earth. Apparently the area has been pretty active this past week. Anyone can take a look here, even without a Facebook account. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2084336id=1350196047l=1f0c4d1dea -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???
Well this thread certainly has taken twists and turns that I never expected! I see how my question wasn't fully formed (again) but that was actually a good thing. I wonder if this theme Where is all the ... ? might be something that the list can use in the future. So, is that all of the Murchison? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
If Art decided not to allow Mike's return to the list to post the story of their trials and tribulations, I'd be more than happy to host the text on a page on my website. Mike has his own site too and can post it there if he chooses, but the offer is there if he and/or Robert wish to accept it. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???
Apparently there is quiet a bit or Murchison around and available, but in sizes that are beyond the means of many budget minded collectors. No doubt why I haven't had a chance to see them before. I guess I'm a little surprised with so much apparent demand for 1 - 2 gram slices that no one seems to be cutting. I don't blame ya though. If I had individuals in these sizes, I wouldn't be too interested in cutting them up either. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???
Recently some of us had a discussion on Facebook about how rare Murchison seems to be. Rarely do you see as much as a gram available. The Heritage Auction has a huge Murchison, 535.9g individual (http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6061Lot_No=49046) Maybe I've missed them, or not privy to their availability, but where is all the Murchison between a gram and and this largest individual? Anyone? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Welcome home
Glad to see Mike Robert are back home! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Putorana Native Iron Meteorwrong
Hello all. My first two auctions went well and I've had some of my slices go privately. Very encouraging! Thank you to everyone who took a look, bid and won or purchased slices. I have another 21g part slice on eBay now, closing next Monday. Please take a look, or better yet, bid! Thank you. http://tinyurl.com/4t8dooe -- Richard Kowalski IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Point of Diminishing returns (Slice thickness)?
These discussions about aesthetics of specimens vs their weight is rather interesting, but it seems the lines of the subject are a bit blurred. It seems the subject has come to comparing fragments to slices. I'm not sure this is a fair comparison, but I understand it. I am wondering what others think represents a point of diminishing returns in making a slice paper thin. IOW at what point does cutting losses become too great to make the aesthetic function of the prep price excessive? I guess I don't understand the desire for some ultra-thin prepped specimens. For example, if a ultra-thin 1mm thick slice is being sold for the equivalent $80 per gram, and a slice of the exact same material, the exact same size, but 4 times the weight (4mm thick) is being offered at the exact same price, I'd be inclined to purchase the latter. I understand the appeal of of thinner specimens and of course you can polish a slice so finely it becomes a thin section, but is there some point where the prep becomes so costly that is is in fact too thin for the buyer? Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction on now on Ebay
Wow that name has some cache! 0 items! Must have all sold out already... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/7/11, meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com wrote: From: meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction on now on Ebay To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 9:02 PM Hey List, I'm looking to sell a few items and thought I would offer a limited number of items up on Ebay via my Steve Arnold famous reverse auction format. I have some items that I have listed on Ebay at a fixed price, And starting tonight, I will be periodically dropping the prices by varying degrees over the next few days at random times and possibly at random amounts. At any given time (probably when I sell enough, or when the prices on the unsold items gets too obscenely low, I reserve the right to end the reverse auction and let the prices revert to their starting prices. Check out the items I have for sale including those on sale now here: http://shop.ebay.com/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Thanks, Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION
Hi Shawn and anyone else pondering this question. I'd suggest you consider using a Fine Art paper. There are plenty made for inkjet printers now. You can buy a few sample packs for only a few dollars each and see if there are any that match what you want in you card's paper. I'd suggest that higher quality/value specimens may deserve a higher quality paper. Fine art papers will probably be archival too, so very long provenance can be considered. Look for papers that have a high Grams per Square Meter (GSM). I'm guessing you'd like something above 300 GSM. I'm sure there are people more expert in this area than I am. Samples can be found on the Adorama website. I've been using them since the 80's. A search of Fine Art papers is here: http://tinyurl.com/6xxuct7 A few more are on page one as well. Hope this helps. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/5/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers and night owls or morning people I agree about signing ID cards. I always sign the back of the card, with the weight of the fragment and also I print my name and put my IMCA number. I like to use double sided matte paper and I find 50 to 61 lb weight works well. But I wish I could find heavyer paper any LISTERS know of any good matte type white paper that has a high weight lets say about 80 lb plus white minimal texture in the paper? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION
Hey all, As one who recently needed to come up with a design, I'm more of the opinion that cards reflect the personality of the person who produced it. I had gone through Sergey's pages some time ago. Thanks Anne for posting the link. For my own cards I went through the collection of cards I have accumulated building my own collection, picking out the four or five that had the features and details I wanted. Unfortunately none matched exactly the look I wanted. I put together what I wanted in Photoshop, but almost any graphics program would work just as well. A common card might be nice for those that don't have the time or need to generate custom cards. I do like the variety of cards. Each one reminds me of the dealer themselves. I'd go so far as to say the cards themselves are collectible too. One last thing, Avery, the company that makes office supplies has software to help design (business) cards and has an online tool to assist in this too. Once on their site, http://www.avery.com follow the template and software advisor link on the left to find their various tools. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards SUGGESTION
Sorry Forgot to mention I like the cards I get from dealers to be signed as well. I'm signing mine. -- Richard Kowalski __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 5, 2011
That's COOL! Thanks Laurence -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 5, 2011 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 9:49 PM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_5_2011.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Putorana Native Iron Slices on Ebay
Hello All Just a reminder that I recently obtained a small supply of Putorana Plateau Native Iron. Most of you are familiar with this “meteorwrong” that appears to be mesosiderite. I picked out specimens that had the most meteorite-like appearance. I've put two of them up on ebay for my first auctions, which are ending later today a 13.9g full slice http://tinyurl.com/4ocqqua and a 21.5g part slice http://tinyurl.com/4v5bdv5 They are polished on both sides and only 2 mm thin, so you get great surface area to weight specimens. Thanks for looking! -- Richard Kowalski IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Retail Auction Price Guides
--- On Fri, 2/25/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Hi Richard Seems we just completely disagree. I won't reiterate my points again, but we have survived in this hobby for several decades since the first large dealers began without a price guide and survived quite well. If there is a place for a guide then why hasn't one stuck over that time period? There have been several attempts before Kevin, with no success. Again the collecting market can determine the need for a guide. Matt Something I can't answer. I could guess that part of the reason could be that so few dealers and more importantly so few COLLECTORS existed during those times. Things are changing a bit. We all know about the popular TV show and love or hate the hosts, there is no doubt they are bringing fresh faces and cash into the collector market. Many of these newbies will be looking for something to guide them on what to pay. A historic volume, say every lot and price realized would be of historical interest as are the posts here of what long time collectors paid for material before I was a teenager, so lists of Nininger prices or Ward's. I guess I don't see anywhere near as much downside as you do but that's fine. Why not do your own pricing? Kevin admits he doesn't use auctions ad doesn't know what the dealers SOLD items for. To me a guide like that is not useful. REALIZED prices may be ok, but good luck getting those data from dealers. Matt I'm in agreement with you here. Anyone can surf websites to get general prices. In coin terms and maybe elsewhere that is the Buy price. What the material typically is purchase by a dealer from a collector is the Bid price. Since this market is so thin, I tend to agree with you that dealers may not be willing to share too much information, but that shouldn't be a reason not to try (again). As for your suggestion about doing my own pricing, for appropriate material I certainly do do this. For instance, when I was buying Lunars for my collection, I plotted weight vs price per gram realized. Did you know a certain lunar can be had retail at ~$500 per gram in a certain size range all day long? At least it could be had for that when I was buying. I'm keeping that information to myself, so don't ask, but I know there are more like this out there. Like that esoteric coin segment I mentioned in my first post, there are amazing deals to be had for the collector. I think a guide might be a big help to the community, and especially for the newest members who have just gotten that spark. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Retail Auction Price Guides
I know John. It's a curse. Matt, I guess I'm looking at things from a beginner collector point of view as it wasn't too long ago I that beginner. Not too far beyond that either, but I digress. I think that maybe the size of the task and the amount of time involved to keep it up to date might be daunting for one and unprofitable for more than one. Again. I'm not speaking about Kevin's guide. I am thinking about those coin guides. A new coin collector has to learn at least in the US about the various grades (as many as 70) for each and every coin type and design. In some respects meteorites are much easier to deal with. As you point out there is a lot of variability in pricing between individuals of the same meteorite. That certainly isn't an insurmountable challenge, either for the publisher or the collector using the guide. Good discussion Matt. Thank You. This is the what I like about the list. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 2/25/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Hi Richard I believe that price guides, at least with collectibles, give a false sense of market value. Believe me I would love to get 20/g out of my 350g Homestead, but because there are so many factors that determine a meteorites value (maybe many more factors than any collectible), I know that 20/g will not be paid for such a piece by the small collector pool that exists. Yet 20/g for Homestead, in small slices, is attainable. Any guide would need to distinguish pricing based on a number of factors that you already pointed out. This would be nearly impossible for a beginning collector to comprehend. Kevin's book on collecting meteorites is a great intro for the beginning collector. A price guide would muddy the waters IMO. Rely on your own searches to figure out pricing, and as you know, the knowledge will come from that search. 500/g lunar? I have some. :) Best wishes, Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:22:14 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Retail Auction Price Guides --- On Fri, 2/25/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Hi Richard Seems we just completely disagree. I won't reiterate my points again, but we have survived in this hobby for several decades since the first large dealers began without a price guide and survived quite well. If there is a place for a guide then why hasn't one stuck over that time period? There have been several attempts before Kevin, with no success. Again the collecting market can determine the need for a guide. Matt Something I can't answer. I could guess that part of the reason could be that so few dealers and more importantly so few COLLECTORS existed during those times. Things are changing a bit. We all know about the popular TV show and love or hate the hosts, there is no doubt they are bringing fresh faces and cash into the collector market. Many of these newbies will be looking for something to guide them on what to pay. A historic volume, say every lot and price realized would be of historical interest as are the posts here of what long time collectors paid for material before I was a teenager, so lists of Nininger prices or Ward's. I guess I don't see anywhere near as much downside as you do but that's fine. Why not do your own pricing? Kevin admits he doesn't use auctions ad doesn't know what the dealers SOLD items for. To me a guide like that is not useful. REALIZED prices may be ok, but good luck getting those data from dealers. Matt I'm in agreement with you here. Anyone can surf websites to get general prices. In coin terms and maybe elsewhere that is the Buy price. What the material typically is purchase by a dealer from a collector is the Bid price. Since this market is so thin, I tend to agree with you that dealers may not be willing to share too much information, but that shouldn't be a reason not to try (again). As for your suggestion about doing my own pricing, for appropriate material I certainly do do this. For instance, when I was buying Lunars for my collection, I plotted weight vs price per gram realized. Did you know a certain lunar can be had retail at ~$500 per gram in a certain size range all day long? At least it could be had for that when I was buying. I'm keeping that information to myself, so don't ask, but I know there are more like this out there. Like that esoteric coin segment I mentioned in my first post, there are amazing deals to be had for the collector. I think a guide might be a big help to the community, and especially for the newest members who have just
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] RE- Customs holding packages
Mike, Thanks for the link. It appears that there are three codes that will all honestly reflect the shipment. Brian's code, 7103.10.00.00 is reasonable, your find of Collections and collectors' pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, anatomical, historical, archaeological, palaeontological, ethnographic or numismatic interest: 9705.00.0060 But I don't think your second find works. This one is probably better: Mineral substances not elsewhere specified or included: Other 2530.90.8060 My guess is 9705.00.0060 is the most accurate one to choose but any of the three should be acceptable. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Taking a meteorite strike to the Bank
OK, the termite threadlet raised a morbid question in my mind. What would it be worth to be struck by a meteorite? Would you want to be struck indirectly like Elizabeth Hodges was in Alabama, or directly. How much injury sustained would be worth it to you? I know some of you wouldn't mind being the first documented death, at the appropriate time of your life of course, but I didn't see many people walking around the Tucson shows with their Where's Waldo target hats on this year so maybe there aren't too many who want to step to the front of the line for this fall! :) -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Retail Auction Price Guides
Sorry for making another subject change on this Kevin Matt. I have to argue directly against you one this one Matt. Retail price guides and auction results have a very real and useful place in any collectibles market, especially for a market as small and thin as the meteorite market. While I do not have Kevin's price guide, I certainly think it is something useful. Auction results are a very important tool too. Nearly everyone on this list who spoke up not too long ago when asked about interests other than meteorites said they collect some thing or other. Many of these collectors collected coins and notes, numisma. Since this is the first collecting bug tat bit me too, I'll discuss this market in those terms. Coins, tokens, notes, etc is a huge market, but value is assigned by the numerous points already raised and more, but are always dictated by supply and demand. Many relatively common coins are very valuable because so many collectors desire them while vast areas of numismatics, which are rather esoteric, may only have a few hundred of even just one or a few collectors worldwide. That is a type of market the we find ourselves in. I've had a number of you with customer lists privately estimate for me the worldwide number of active meteorite collectors and the consensus seems to be well under 1000. Many estimate the number to be around 500. Double or maybe triple that and you have the total number of active and sporadic collectors. Adam Hupe often points out how rare meteorites are and that is very true. The flip side of that is the meteorite collector base is minuscule. Just in those small areas of numismatics many insanely rare, beautiful and interesting items go for pennies. The money collector community and market is literally thousands of years old and has a huge worldwide collector base. There are price guides to be found that include highly esoteric topics with no concern about new collectors being confused by retail versus wholesale. The pricing methodology is outlined and the collector is urged to learn as much as they can about the material and pricing. Same as meteorites no? When I started seriously collecting meteorites a few years ago, I already had some information about meteorites and vast experience as a collector, so the first order of things for me was 1, determine which direction I wanted my collecting to go. 2, determine which dealers were trustworthy and 3, how much do I pay? 1 2 were easy but #3 was more difficult. I wish I knew of Kevin's guide back then. It would have saved me some time and effort. For me I'd like to see a few more guides, not less. I bet Michael could turn a very nice profit if he sold PDF books of all the auction lots and prices realized from this year and at all of his previous auctions too. I know I'd buy a copy. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 2/24/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: From: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction #1 To: Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 8:01 PM Hi Kevin and list: Kevin, while I appreciate what you are doing and applaud you for putting together a detailed and extensive list, I will just say that I think any price guides in any field are problematic. All collectibles are worth only what one is willing to pay. Coinage may be a different situation since there is underlying value in the metal commodity and there are fairly accurate mintage numbers. A good example are home values. An owner can ask 500k for their home but only realize 300k in today's market. Zillow.com is a great example of how a price guide should work; they show the recently sold price not asking prices (as you do in your guide). If one were to use asking prices the housing market would be artificially higher than what is realized in the market. I also think that price guides give collectors a false sense of hope when it comes to selling their collections. For example, a dealer should be paying them $10/g for Estherville (according to a price from your list) when in fact I wouldn't pay more than $6/g, which is perceived as ripping the collector off. This creates a feeling of animosity for the collector and may result in them not collecting any longer. With meteorites or any other collectible for that matter, a dealer (or any person with the item) can ask whatever he or she wishes to ask. The consumer is best served by doing their own market analysis. As you pointed out there are dozens of different reasons for assigning a value to a meteorite, many of which are subjective (appearance, freshness, orientation, etc.). Even the TKW is misleading if one uses the MetBull as the standard for that. Who says that Allende is worth 10/g? The consumer does
[meteorite-list] Open Court
Ok, Judge Judy just ended, Judge Alex is on now, but I'll take a minute to post. There are so many interesting threads on this list and one extremely boring one filled with nothing but gossip and opinions. Well like the other thing that everyone else has, I have an opinion too. I see one angry framer. OK I see Steve's response. OK Who do I believe? I haven't seen the contract. I haven't seen a transcript of the meeting where they came to an agreement. I wasn't there. The parties involved are in court as I write this. Since I have no involvement in the case and don't have anywhere near all of the facts, I'll sit and wait to see what the court decides. I'm just surprised that the meteorite hunter is automatically considered to be at fault by many in the community. Ohh, People's Court is on too! Gotta go. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
