Re: [meteorite-list] Munich Show Photos
Hi Marcin: Awesome photos and show! Just one question: how did those tear-drop shaped tektites get stuck together? Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Show Photos Hello Just loaded 60 photos from the show. http://www.polandmet.com/ :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern CaliforniaFor Meteorites
I like the part about asteroids orbiting Jupiter before the Earth formed! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern CaliforniaFor Meteorites http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/10/30/rock-hunters-still-canvassing-northern-california-for-meteorites/ With the threat of rain in the Novato area, desperate measures needed to be taken, so we went back to soliciting the locals to look for space-rocks in their driveways and yards - via the local TV news stations: Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern California For Meteorites October 30, 2012 6:47 PM View Comments Reporting Neda Iranpour Filed under Local, News, Seen On, Syndicated Local NOVATO (CBS13) – A light show hard to forget brought out rock hunters who are still canvassing Northern California days after the asteroid came crashing down. There are all kinds of rocks in parking lots and gravel in fields so how do they know what a meteorite is? Well, they say to look for something that stands out. It may look like a tar ball to us earthlings, but according to meteorite hunter Bob Verish, it’s a cosmic gem. “It shows a history of having had some catastrophic collision in the asteroid belt,” he said. It’s a rock so foreign, so ancient, he says it was floating around Jupiter before the Earth ever formed. Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern California For Meteorites Bob Verish found this space ball worth about $10,000 while searching the Novato area in Marin County. (credit: CBS13) Two weeks ago, a big, bright flash danced across the sky, sending a glow show across half the state. “We don’t get many falls like this in California,” he said. As impressive as it was when it crashed, that’s also why it’s so difficult to find its 4.5-billion-year-old parts. “It came in at a lower angle. It spread out the stone,” he said. Only four pieces have been found in Novato and they’re worth $100 per gram. Bob’s weighs in at about 100, making it a $10,000 rock. It’s a true treasure for a man who once sent NASA probes to outer space. Now he’s probing this planet for galactic goods. If it jumps to his magnet, he says it’s likely out of this world. Bob’s now convinced there are larger pieces to this puzzle in Novato. “We try not to think about the fact that it’s worse than a needle in a haystack,” he said. After searching several square miles, he’s convinced larger rocks are lurking. The search seems difficult and endless. They also have to speed it up because every time it rains, they lose some evidence and so people like bob are racing against the clock. There’s another storm on the way. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Michael, A lot of times scientists used to working in labs with thin slices can't tell an ordinary chondrite from a hole in the ground. They often specialize in a narrow academic field and have no experience handling all different types of meteorites. It's hard to beat years of hands on experience when it comes to field grading meteorites. Plus, these stones have highly unusual crust. I didn't think they were meteorites because of the weird crust, but it's hard to tell just from looking at an out of focus photograph. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue
Steve, it's a Chinga. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold meteorh...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/space-buddha-statue-fake-fraud_n_2015587.html?ncid=webmail8 Of course it is a fake. If it is a Nantan, it would have rusted away into a million flakes about 997 years ago it if it was really carved 1,000 years old. Even if it wasn't a Nantan, I would guess it still would have rusted to an extreme state in less than 100 years time, unless it maybe was a very nickel rich ataxite. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites More, 28 1/2 Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632 President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men Ebay: ArnoldMeteorites meteorh...@aol.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member
Please check abram62 's feedback before dealing with him. If you still choose to deal with him, I wish you the best of luck. He's running some kind of con. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: almi...@localnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member Hi Mirko and list, We communicated over the eBay email about this bidder. He is currently bidding on some of my items on ebay (almittmet). I offer shipping in two days depending on payment. I sometimes think the people up to no good have questionable ID's in hopes you will ship before payment. That's always a mistake if you do. Ebay offers up so much buyer protection and I'm just not going to send an item before payment unless I know the buyer. I'll let the list know as there are many sellers on ebay here if I have anytrouble with this bidder, in the event he wins and doesn't come through. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de: Dear List Members, someone knows the ebay member abram62 ? What experiences have you done? The last 2 years the member has bought nothing. No feedbacks on ebay for the last 2 years. All I see is that he has buy a lot from meteorites dealers ... ..I have a bad feeling... Regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member
Yep, that's what he wants. He filed a claim for not receiving his two small 869s four days after the auction. He never asked for the paperwork until he filed the claim. Avoid like the plague! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Cc: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member Hi List, Well, museum paperwork for each meteorite, including unclassifieds and NWA's, sounds like a reasonably insane request to me! Tell abrams62 to contact AMNH and request some himself : American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024-5192 Email contact form : http://www.amnh.org/common/contact/ Tell abrams62 he can get the quickest response by asking for professor Hubert J. Farnsworth. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 10/23/12, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha list members, Ebay buyer abrams62 pulled the same stunt on me. At first he asked for separate invoices for each item, which he stated he would pay separately by different sources. Then he asked for me to ship out the meteorites he won in auction COD, to be paid after he looked and approved them. Uh, I don't think so. Now he wants ownership certificate / title of each meteorite from an expert in the American (sic) Musiem of natural history. Well, thats not going to happen, and because payment has not been remitted, he has joined a motley assortment of blocked bidders I have created. If you want to share lists of blocked bidders, email me off list. Mahalo nui and have a great day. gary On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:24 AM, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: Please check abram62 's feedback before dealing with him. If you still choose to deal with him, I wish you the best of luck. He's running some kind of con. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: almi...@localnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member Hi Mirko and list, We communicated over the eBay email about this bidder. He is currently bidding on some of my items on ebay (almittmet). I offer shipping in two days depending on payment. I sometimes think the people up to no good have questionable ID's in hopes you will ship before payment. That's always a mistake if you do. Ebay offers up so much buyer protection and I'm just not going to send an item before payment unless I know the buyer. I'll let the list know as there are many sellers on ebay here if I have anytrouble with this bidder, in the event he wins and doesn't come through. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de: Dear List Members, someone knows the ebay member abram62 ? What experiences have you done? The last 2 years the member has bought nothing. No feedbacks on ebay for the last 2 years. All I see is that he has buy a lot from meteorites dealers ... ..I have a bad feeling... Regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [meteorite-list] Novato meteorite find
Moni, Hmmm... my first impression when I saw the picture was, that's not a meteorite. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger moni2...@hotmail.com To: cont...@briencook.com; meteor list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; bob v bolidecha...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato meteorite find HI All, news brief! Brien's seems to be the 1st find!!! http://cams.seti.org/ Yeah! Happy hunting, Moni __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed byDiscoveries on Mars Cognitive Dissonance
Astronomers concluded it was axis tilt behind Martian climate change, and then after the fact used computer models to predict what already happened. On Earth, human-generated carbon dioxide is assumed to be the main driver of climate change. Computer models that can't predict the weather for more than three days in advance were used to predict climate change hundreds of years into the future. Is one of these premises false? The Earth has been warming up for the last 18,000 years, possibly from astronomical factors such as orbital variation, axial tilt variation, Milankovitch cycles, etc. If this study really vindicated global climate modeling, wouldn't it have concluded the Earth's climate change is also due to changing astronomical factors? This seems like an obvious contradiction. Sorry for the double post! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed byDiscoveries on Mars NEWS RELEASE FROM THE PLANETARY SCIENCE INSTITUTE FROM: Alan Fischer Public Information Officer Planetary Science Institute 520-382-0411 520-622-6300 fisc...@psi.edu Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed by Discoveries on Mars Oct. 16, 2012, Tucson, Ariz. and Reno, Nev. -- Scientific modeling methods that predicted climate change on Earth have been found to be accurate on Mars as well, according to a paper presented at an international planetary sciences conference Tuesday. An international team of researchers from the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, working with French colleagues, found that an unusual concentration of glacial features on Mars matches predictions made by global climate computerized models, in terms of both age and location. PSI Senior Scientist William K. Hartmann led the team, which included Francois Forget (Université Paris), who did the Martian climate modeling, and Veronique Ansan and Nicolas Mangold (Université de Nantes) and Daniel Berman (PSI), all of who analyzed spacecraft measurements regarding the glaciers. Some public figures imply that modeling of global climate change on Earth is 'junk science,' but if climate models can explain features observed on other planets, then the models must have at least some validity, said team leader Hartmann. Hartmann presented the report, Science of Global Climate Modeling: Confirmation from Discoveries On Mars, at the annual meeting of the Division of Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in Reno, Nev. The scientific team reached their conclusions by combining four different aspects of Martian geological mapping and Martian climate science in recent years. They noted that the climate models, the presence of glaciers, the ages of the glacial surface layers, and radar confirmation of ice in same general area, all gave consistent results - that the glaciers formed in a specific region of Mars, due to unusual climate circumstances, just as indicated by the climate model. The work has a long background. As early 1993, astronomers analyzed the changing tilt of Mars' rotational axis and found that during high-tilt Martian episodes, the axis tilt can exceed 45 degrees. Under this extreme condition, the summer hemisphere is strongly tilted toward the sun, and Mars' polar ice cap in that hemisphere evaporates, increasing water vapor in the Martian air, thus increasing the chances for snowfall in the dark, cold, winter hemisphere. The last such episodes happened on Mars 5 million to 20 million years ago. By 2001-2006, various French and American researchers applied the global climate computer models to study this effect. The computer programs were originally developed for planet Earth to estimate climate effects, from hurricane paths to CO2 greenhouse warming. Planetary scientists simply applied the Martian topography, atmosphere, and gravity, in order to run the computer calculations for Mars. The calculations indicated a strong concentration of winter snow and ice in a mid-latitude southern region of Mars, just east of a huge Martian impact basin named Hellas. At the same time, the PSI scientists independently discovered an unusual concentration of glacial features in a 40-mile-wide crater named Greg centered in the same region. Their analysis showed that the surface layers of the glaciers formed at the same time as the predicted climate extremes, about 5 million to 20 million years ago. The bottom line is that the global climate models indicate that the last few intense deposits of ice occurred about 5 million to 15 million years ago, virtually centered on Greg crater, and that's just where the spacecraft data reveal glaciers whose surface layers date from that time, Hartmann said. If global climate models indicate specific concentration of ice-rich
Re: [meteorite-list] Did Chicxulub have an accomplice?
In addition to the big marine lizards, the dinosaurs were also killed off! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Did Chicxulub have an accomplice? According to this study, Chicxulub had help in wiping out the big lizards - http://science.time.com/2012/09/11/second-gunman-in-death-of-the-dinosaurs/?hpt=hp_t3 Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords
Keeping it secret would weed out the unprofessional riff raffs that could potentially cause problems for everybody. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Musuem - Original Message - From: Marc Fries chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords Greetings all I've been talking with a few people about logging the Battle Mountain meteorites, and I'd like to start some discussion on the topic of find coordinates. This is NOT directed at any one person, but I would like to editorialize a bit. I'm getting a lot of push-back about printing find coordinates and I'd like to open the topic to general discussion. Historically, the locations of found meteorites have been a closely guarded secret. That made a lot of sense when meteorite hunting relied most heavily on eyewitness reports. A hunter could easily put in many, many miles of walking before coming across a meteorite. For finds that are made with weather radar, however, I don't think its the same situation. When I post radar analyses, it is like posting a treasure map that says, Go Here. At that point everyone knows where the meteorites are, and it seems to me that the locations of individual stones aren't nearly as important as they were in the past. (Strewn fields without detailed radar data are another matter, of course.) Where those locations do matter are to A) the science behind describing the meteorite fall, and B) the value of the individual meteorite since a well-documented meteorite should be worth more than a random stone from a given fall. I am a scientist, and my first instinct is to collect, analyze, and -share- data. I understand where that is at odds with the level of secrecy needed in the past, but I think that that level of secrecy is no longer needed and actually works contrary to the value of meteorites, both monetary and scientific. On the Galactic Analytics website, I'm willing to go against my better instincts and hide find locations, at least until a scientific paper is released describing the fall. But to be honest, I think that's a little silly - I'll basically have a table showing meteorites with the find locations redacted, and then you can scroll down the page a bit and see a map showing where the meteorites are. So let me throw this out there as a general question - is it really important to hide the find locations? Cheers, Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?
No, it's never happened, it's impossible. I wish people would stop saying it. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: André Moutinho mouti...@bol.com.br To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible? Hello all, I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from the sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area. Witnesses heared a loud buzz and soon noticed smoke and fire on a nearby mountain. Some work have been done on the local by the fire department and nothing was found related to aircraft or any other kind of device. Does anyone know any similar case caused by a meteorite? These are not common events related to meteorite falls. Thanks Andre Moutinho IMCA 2731 http://www.meteorito.com.br __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?
Or if it hit a piece of flint. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible? I've never heard a credible account of a fire started by a meteorite fall, and on theoretical grounds, there's no reason we would ever expect a meteorite to be hot enough to start a fire. Of course, that doesn't discount a secondary effect, such as a meteorite causing a fire by puncturing a propane tank, severing a power line, or any number of improbable but possible events. Certainly, a meteorite that strikes while still traveling at a hypersonic speed could dissipate enough energy to start a fire, but such events are exceedingly rare, and would be expected to leave very obvious evidence (such as a crater). Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 8/27/2012 1:52 PM, André Moutinho wrote: Hello all, I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from the sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area. Witnesses heared a loud buzz and soon noticed smoke and fire on a nearby mountain. Some work have been done on the local by the fire department and nothing was found related to aircraft or any other kind of device. Does anyone know any similar case caused by a meteorite? These are not common events related to meteorite falls. Thanks Andre Moutinho IMCA 2731 http://www.meteorito.com.br __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another crazy ebay sale
He has almost the exact same symptoms as the lunar meteorite guy from Colorado. There should be a name for this disorder and a new drug to fight it. Lunaiteitis? Looneyitis? Lunar Meteorite Delusional Syndrome? (LMDS) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] another crazy ebay sale http://www.ebay.com/itm/Meteorite-/190714578538?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c6779866a So many crazies out there... -Michael in so. Cal. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity Camera.
Why in the world would there be a Confederate flag on Curiosity? Old Glory maybe, but the Stars and Bars, no way! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity Camera. Hi Greg, Curiosity was the combined effort of, I believe, eight nation's contributions. I know that five, or six, of the on board experiments are constructed and monitored by foreign labs and personnel. So, no great big Stars and Bars sticker that I know of. Perhaps, there is a combo decal somewhere on it. Best, Guido -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Sent: Aug 17, 2012 10:28 AM To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity Camera. Very cool link and interactive viewer for us to enjoy the ride with Curiosity! I see a few dozen nuclear decals, the NASA JPL emblems (small), but where is the good 'ol Stars Stripes at?? ;-/ Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay Facebook) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Count Deiro Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:23 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity Camera. Hello Listees, Be able to interact with the HD image is as realistic as it gets. You ARE on mars and with the best images ever..http://www.360pano.eu/show/?id=731 Enjoy, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Man claims he found meteorite making Dyson’s find — if it is a meteorite — worth about $2.3 million.
If that's a meteorite, then I'm the Queen of England! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Man claims he found meteorite making Dyson’s find — if it is a meteorite — worth about $2.3 million. Hello Listers Came across this article today about some guy finding a meteorite that could be worth 2.3 million . If only it was that easy, well with some hunters it is :) but me being a city boy, I think it would be hard for me to go look for a meteorite on Park Ave or 5 ave lol :) Down below is an abstract from the article and the link. Shawn Alan eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ Man claims he found meteorite near Merritt A prospector who was panning for gold alongside the Coldwater River last month came across something he believes is not of this world. An unusual-loooking rock glistened from beneath about four feet of water, resting above other rocks that were covered with algae. “I think that if this rock were here for a while, it would have also been covered with algae,” Arnold Dyson, a former miner and prospector, said of his July 8 discovery. He said with “99 per cent certainty” that this rock is a meteorite. “Just look at the way the surface looks melted,” he said. “You can also see where the impact was made. “I’ve seen a lot of rocks in my day, but this is unusual.” http://www.merrittherald.com/news/166428806.html I think all humans have meteorite madness in them :))) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteoritic Quasicrystals: Secret Diaries, Smugglers and KGB Agents; Oh My!
You would think if carbonaceous chondritic asteroids could make crystals with 10-fold rotational symmetry, they could make something like RNA too? http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/aug/13/further-proof-of-extraterrestrial-origin-of-quasicrystalsFurther proof of extraterrestrial origin of quasicrystalsAn international team of researchers has found nine new samples of naturallyoccurring quasicrystals. The work also provides further proof thatquasicrystals were delivered to the Earth by a meteorite. The team'sdiscovery challenges our understanding of both crystallography andsolar-system formation.Conventional crystal structures are made of atoms, or clusters of atoms,that repeat periodically. These patterns are normally restricted to two,three, four or sixfold rotational symmetry - the numbers corresponding tohow many times the crystal appears the same during a rotation through 360°.For a long time these were considered hard and fast rules, and no crystalsthat broke these conditions were thought to exist.Ordered, but not periodicHowever, Israeli physicist Daniel Shechtman found just such a rule-breakingcrystal in 1984 and was awarded the 2011 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for hisefforts. Shechtman had discovered a quasicrystal - a crystal that, whileordered, does not contain structures that repeat periodically. Schectman'scrystal also had 10-fold rotational symmetry. Even after his discovery,there was a lot of scepticism about the existence of such a material. But asthe years went by, other physicists began to construct quasicrystals oftheir own and now more than 100 different types have been found. These,however, are synthetic and have been created under precisely controlledlaboratory conditions. Just as it was originally assumed that quasicrystalscould not exist, after their discovery it was assumed that they could notexist naturally in the wider world.That assumption was called into question in 2009 when Princeton University'sPaul Steinhardt - the man who originally coined the term quasicrystal -appeared to have discovered a naturally occurring variety in a rock samplefrom Russia. Steinhardt and his colleague Luca Bindi, from the University ofFlorence, Italy, measured the ratio of oxygen isotopes within the sample andtheir results suggested that the rock belongs to a class of meteorites knownas carbonaceous chondrites. Not only did this rock contain a naturallyoccurring quasicrystal, it also came from outer space.Thrilling pastBut the scepticism that had followed quasicrystals around since theirdiscovery continued. The rock sample was traced back to Valery Kryachko, aRussian who in 1979 had been panning for platinum in a stream flowingthrough the Koryak mountains in far-eastern Siberia. The rock had somehowturned up in Bindi's museum collection in Italy. People were sceptical ofthe rock's back story as the tale of how it got to Florence involves secretdiaries, smugglers and KGB agents, Steinhardt told physicsworld.com.The only way to settle the debate was to take a shot at finding moresamples, Steinhardt explains. He put together a team of 10 scientists, twodrivers and one cook and set out on a four-day expedition across Siberiaback to the stream where Kryachko had found the original sample. Once there,they panned 1.5 tonnes of sediment from the stream bank, eventuallyisolating a few kilograms for analysis.After six weeks of painstaking grain-by-grain analysis, they hit onsomething special. We found a grain with a fleck of metal on it. Not onlydid it contain quasicrystals, but the oxygen-isotope ratio was exactly thesame [as the original sample], says Steinhardt. It was an incrediblemoment. Out in the field, no-one bet on a more than 1% chance ofsuccessfully finding anything, he adds. The team isolated a total of ninequasicrystal samples. It is thought these samples all come from the samemeteorite, and analysis of the sediment layers suggests it landed within thelast 15,000 years.Extreme formationAs the quasicrystals come from a carbonaceous-chondrite meteorite, they musthave formed in the earliest days of the solar system. Carbonaceouschondrites are thought to have collided together to form the cores of therocky planets, and so Steinhardt's quasicrystals are older than the Earthitself. However, current models cannot account for the presence of thesequasicrystals. We need a novel kind of geological process to form them andso it challenges our ideas of solar-system formation, Steinhardt says.The intense conditions present in the solar system's youth also challengethe prevailing view of quasicrystals as objects that need a carefullycontrolled laboratory set-up to produce. Quasicrystals are not the delicatematerials previously thought. The ones we found must have been formed underrobust and hardy conditions in the early solar system, Steinhardt says.Others agree that the world of quasicrystals could be changed by this10-fold increase in the number of known naturally
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic Quasicrystals: Secret Diaries,Smugglers and KGB Agents; Oh My!
Let me try that again: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/aug/13/further-proof-of-extraterrestrial-origin-of-quasicrystals Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic Quasicrystals: Secret Diaries,Smugglers and KGB Agents; Oh My! You would think if carbonaceous chondritic asteroids could make crystals with 10-fold rotational symmetry, they could make something like RNA too? http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/aug/13/further-proof-of-extraterrestrial-origin-of-quasicrystalsFurtherproof of extraterrestrial origin of quasicrystalsAn international team ofresearchers has found nine new samples of naturallyoccurring quasicrystals.The work also provides further proof thatquasicrystals were delivered to theEarth by a meteorite. The team'sdiscovery challenges our understanding ofboth crystallography andsolar-system formation.Conventional crystalstructures are made of atoms, or clusters of atoms,that repeat periodically.These patterns are normally restricted to two,three, four or sixfoldrotational symmetry - the numbers corresponding tohow many times the crystalappears the same during a rotation through 360°.For a long time these wereconsidered hard and fast rules, and no crystalsthat broke these conditionswere thought to exist.Ordered, but not periodicHowever, Israeli physicistDaniel Shechtman found just such a rule-breakingcrystal in 1984 and wasawarded the 2011 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for hisefforts. Shechtman haddiscovered a quasicrystal - a crystal that, whileordered, does not containstructures that repeat periodically. Schectman'scrystal also had 10-foldrotational symmetry. Even after his discovery,there was a lot of scepticismabout the existence of such a material. But asthe years went by, otherphysicists began to construct quasicrystals oftheir own and now more than100 different types have been found. These,however, are synthetic and havebeen created under precisely controlledlaboratory conditions. Just as it wasoriginally assumed that quasicrystalscould not exist, after their discoveryit was assumed that they could notexist naturally in the wider world.Thatassumption was called into question in 2009 when Princeton University'sPaulSteinhardt - the man who originally coined the term quasicrystal -appearedto have discovered a naturally occurring variety in a rock samplefromRussia. Steinhardt and his colleague Luca Bindi, from the UniversityofFlorence, Italy, measured the ratio of oxygen isotopes within the sampleandtheir results suggested that the rock belongs to a class of meteoritesknownas carbonaceous chondrites. Not only did this rock contain anaturallyoccurring quasicrystal, it also came from outer space.ThrillingpastBut the scepticism that had followed quasicrystals around sincetheirdiscovery continued. The rock sample was traced back to ValeryKryachko, aRussian who in 1979 had been panning for platinum in a streamflowingthrough the Koryak mountains in far-eastern Siberia. The rock hadsomehowturned up in Bindi's museum collection in Italy. People weresceptical ofthe rock's back story as the tale of how it got to Florenceinvolves secretdiaries, smugglers and KGB agents, Steinhardt toldphysicsworld.com.The only way to settle the debate was to take a shot atfinding moresamples, Steinhardt explains. He put together a team of 10scientists, twodrivers and one cook and set out on a four-day expeditionacross Siberiaback to the stream where Kryachko had found the originalsample. Once there,they panned 1.5 tonnes of sediment from the stream bank,eventuallyisolating a few kilograms for analysis.After six weeks ofpainstaking grain-by-grain analysis, they hit onsomething special. We founda grain with a fleck of metal on it. Not onlydid it contain quasicrystals,but the oxygen-isotope ratio was exactly thesame [as the original sample],says Steinhardt. It was an incrediblemoment. Out in the field, no-one beton a more than 1% chance ofsuccessfully finding anything, he adds. The teamisolated a total of ninequasicrystal samples. It is thought these samplesall come from the samemeteorite, and analysis of the sediment layerssuggests it landed within thelast 15,000 years.Extreme formationAs thequasicrystals come from a carbonaceous-chondrite meteorite, they musthaveformed in the earliest days of the solar system. Carbonaceouschondrites arethought to have collided together to form the cores of therocky planets, andso Steinhardt's quasicrystals are older than the Earthitself. However,current models cannot account for the presence of thesequasicrystals. Weneed a novel kind of geological process to form them andso it challenges ourideas of solar-system formation, Steinhardt says.The intense conditionspresent in the solar system's youth also challengethe prevailing view ofquasicrystals as objects
Re: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria
Daniel, The faster-than-light neutrino experiment also comes to mind. Truth over Truthiness, Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: i...@moonmarsrocks.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax may have been a strong word, Phil, because it implies motive, but you are right-on to flag it nonetheless. Sloppy and overzealous would be the words that come to my mind. As a scientist, I was trained to be neither. Clearly, they made a mistake, or overlooked something. That's why you seek out collaboration. Of course they knew it would cause a stir when they published it. They wanted to be the first to show such. Egos. Unfortunately, it was very premature for them to jump out and make a claim with such dramatic and sweeping implications without first waiting for independent confirmation. The good news is, in the end the subject was clarified by subsequent research. This is why the recent Higgs Boson announcement was the result of two completely independent teams coming to the same conclusion after very extensive research. By the way, the media has in my mind been only somewhat successful in explaning for lay people what the HB particle discovery is and means. Here's my most simplified version of it for the non-theoretical physical scientists (mostly everybody): the Higgs Boson particle is what correlates energy to matter, it makes the = in the E=MC*2 equation possible Best, Daniel Daniel Noyes Genuine Moon Mars Meteorite Rocks i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com -- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:17:59 -0400 From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: F730CE7994A240008E1EF07C078545FC@ET Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original This current news story is as unfortunate as the original NASA story spin of Wolf-Simon's article release two years ago. Hoax implies a deliberate fabrication of evidence. There's no call here to insult the personal integrity of the scientists for publishing their earlier experimental observations on the Mono Lake arsenic tolerant bacteria. Also never concluded in the original experiments would be that arsenate could completely replace phophate, just that it might have been substituted for less than one percent of phosphorus at a cost. They weren't looking for any kind of attention themselves to create this a publicity stunt. Just over zealot news media spun into action by an interesting preliminary report. Looking forward to reading the actual article when available and new studies to follow. Howard, You're right, calling it a hoax may have been overstating my opinion. But it was definitely a publicity stunt. If you claim to have discovered a completely new life form, unknown to science and possibly of alien origin, it's just good manners to wait until it's independently confirmed. They jumped the gun with their premature announcement. As if they didn't know that it would create a lot of hoopla and possibly mislead a lot of people! I don't know what their exact motives were, but announcing that you've found a living DNA chain with arsenic replacing phosphorus compounds before it's been confirmed seems a little hoaxy to me. I'm no scientist, but I'm still annoyed by that whole cold fusion thing. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Hammer artifacts....
Ed, Too late, grains of the Tunguska have already been on eBay. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Hammer artifacts Wow, I can feel the energy just by looking at the listing. It makes me want to buy a slice of the Tunguska meteorite. Maybe that'll be listed next. Ed - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Hammer artifacts This is entirely too weird, Even for a hammer freak like me: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290735387596ssPageNa me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_1021wt_1155 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Market for Martian Meteorites Heats Up
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57456841/market-for-martian-meteorites-heats-up/ A decent article except for this dumb quote: For everyone who has every worldly possession, he can actually own something from out of this world, Herskowitz said. Meteorites are the most popular, the most highly collectible of all natural history [items]. There are more people that collect meteorites than there are that collect fossils, dinosaurs, even minerals. There must be tens of thousands of mineral and fossil collectors for every meteorite collector. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 200 gram Sutters Mill
Put it in the October Heritage Auctions Natural History auction. Phil Whitmer Joshua Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com To: Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 200 gram Sutters Mill So what is the best way to sell that stone? I assume he would get good exposure in the media by going public and announcing he is accepting offers. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca wrote: So much for confidentiality. $250,000...No problem! At least before the others are reported. -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
- Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Regine P. fips_br...@yahoo.de; MikeG meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term Regine, MikeG, I hate to beat a dead horse but, There actually could be such a thing as a Hammer Fall. Take Carancas for example; This fall was not only observed but, it hit a man made water well and killed a couple of animals while excavating a crater. This fall is generally accepted as a Hammer Fall because we believe it was one huge stone that crashed and exploded. So, then the question is; Is this a hammer stone as well? Of coarse it is. That is IF it was indeed caused by one single stone that exploded on impact. This is a fact that is in dispute amongst Scientists. There may have been a swarm of stones that hit at once. We do have evidence of this in stones that were found that were nearly fully fusion crusted. Had it been just one single stone where did the nearly fully crusted stones come from? This lends doubt that in fact all of the stones are Hammer Stones. However, from a sales standpoint. Having one of these ultra rare fully crusted stones would not be such a bad thing to have. I would think they would be far more rare and therefore far more valuable to both the collector (museum) or Scientist for the simple reason of aesthetics and that it does make for an interesting argument about how many stones did fall. As for the use of the word Michael Blood coined Hammer. He could just of easily have used any number of other words to describe this end result. Swatter, clapper, striker or anything else one does with an object in his had while hitting something. The other really funny term is the use of the word Fall at all. I mean try to explain that to a newby? I mean after all, Aren't all meteorites Falls in the true sense of the word. How else could they have gotten here? So, the use of this term necessitates an explanation. You have to explain that not all meteorites are falls. A newby would look at you like you are nuts. The word fresh fall would make more sense but, most of the time the Fresh is left out. Even when a stone is called a fresh Fall science can only determine the time it fell within years not hour or minutes so even then... If you find a stone. How do you really know when it fell. You did find a fall but was it fresh? Or does it just look fresh? Too Funny. Best, Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers Regine P. fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to hammer falls on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to cash in is a mystery to me. Enough said, Best wishes, Regine Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com An: Regine P. fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term Hi Regine, I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs) should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think everyone who uses the term hammer fall is engaging in marketing or trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But the term hammer fall probably isn't going away, and if it does, it will be replaced by another term that means the same thing. And we can't excuse people for making rash purchases. The buyer does bear some responsibility to educate themselves before spending money on a meteorite (or anything). I guess this gets back to some of the most fundamental lessons of collecting things. Do one's homework. Buyer beware. Know your seller. Check references (or feedback). :) Best
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Carl, I agree, Fall and Find are ridiculous terms. I'm get tired of explaining the difference to non-meteorite people. The confusion could be cleared up by adding the modifying adjective Observed to the word Fall. Since all meteorites are both Falls and Finds (to the uninitiated), why not just call them Observed Falls and Falls? Makes sense to me! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum (Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit send) - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Regine P. fips_br...@yahoo.de; MikeG meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term Regine, MikeG, I hate to beat a dead horse but, There actually could be such a thing as a Hammer Fall. Take Carancas for example; This fall was not only observed but, it hit a man made water well and killed a couple of animals while excavating a crater. This fall is generally accepted as a Hammer Fall because we believe it was one huge stone that crashed and exploded. So, then the question is; Is this a hammer stone as well? Of coarse it is. That is IF it was indeed caused by one single stone that exploded on impact. This is a fact that is in dispute amongst Scientists. There may have been a swarm of stones that hit at once. We do have evidence of this in stones that were found that were nearly fully fusion crusted. Had it been just one single stone where did the nearly fully crusted stones come from? This lends doubt that in fact all of the stones are Hammer Stones. However, from a sales standpoint. Having one of these ultra rare fully crusted stones would not be such a bad thing to have. I would think they would be far more rare and therefore far more valuable to both the collector (museum) or Scientist for the simple reason of aesthetics and that it does make for an interesting argument about how many stones did fall. As for the use of the word Michael Blood coined Hammer. He could just of easily have used any number of other words to describe this end result. Swatter, clapper, striker or anything else one does with an object in his had while hitting something. The other really funny term is the use of the word Fall at all. I mean try to explain that to a newby? I mean after all, Aren't all meteorites Falls in the true sense of the word. How else could they have gotten here? So, the use of this term necessitates an explanation. You have to explain that not all meteorites are falls. A newby would look at you like you are nuts. The word fresh fall would make more sense but, most of the time the Fresh is left out. Even when a stone is called a fresh Fall science can only determine the time it fell within years not hour or minutes so even then... If you find a stone. How do you really know when it fell. You did find a fall but was it fresh? Or does it just look fresh? Too Funny. Best, Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers Regine P. fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to hammer falls on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to cash in is a mystery to me. Enough said, Best wishes, Regine Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com An: Regine P. fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term Hi Regine, I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs) should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think everyone who uses the term hammer fall is engaging in marketing or trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But the term hammer
[meteorite-list] 12, 000 Yr Old Meteorite Melt Glass Impact Evidence
An interesting article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158054/Scientists-discover-evidence-meteorite-storm-hit-Earth-13-000-years-ago-killed-prehistoric-civilisation.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] International Meteorite Market
Interesting article: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/the-international-meteorite-market/ Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth and Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rogue Planets Can Find Homes Around Other Stars
Living cells free-floating in outer space? Pretty extraordinary claim with zero evidence to back it up. Sounds goofy to me. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rogue Planets Can Find Homes Around Other Stars Free-Floating Planets in the Milky Way Outnumber Stars by Factors of Thousands: Life-Bearing Planets May Exist in Vast Numbers ScienceDaily (May 10, 2012) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120510100217.htm Could billions upon billions of free-floating 'nomadic' planets in the Milky Way be seeding our galaxy with life. Mail online, May 11, 2012, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2142948/Could-billions-billions-free-floating-nomadic-planets-Milky-Way-seeding-galaxy-life.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Some Stars Capture Rogue Planets (Apr. 17, 2012) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120417113652.htm and http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2012/pr201212.html Rogue Planets Can Find Homes Around Other Stars by Nancy Atkinson, Universe Today, http://www.universetoday.com/94656/rogue-planets-can-find-homes-around-other-stars/ The paper is: Wickramasingh, N. C., and others, 2012, Life-bearing primordial planets in the solar vicinity. Astrophysics and Space Science; DOI 10.1007/s10509-012-1092-8 Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
A dirigible is any lighter-than-air airship that can be steered. Zepplins and blimps are both dirigibles. The word comes from the French word diriger meaning to direct. It was first applied to the French army's airship La France in 1884. Count Ferdinand Graf von Zepplin built his first airship the LZ-1 in 1900. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! OK, so everyone is wrong...it's a dirigible. (semi-rigid airship) :-) * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:01 PM To: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; dorifry Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Stuart, List 1. A blimp (technically called a pressure airship) is a powered, steerable, lighter-than-air vehicle whose shape is maintained by the pressure of the gases within its envelope. A blimp has no rigid internal structure; if a blimp deflates, it loses its shape. 2. A rigid airship has a framework surrounding one or more individual gas cells, and maintains its shape by virtue of its rigid framework and not the pressure of its lifting gas. 3. A zeppelin is a rigid airship manufactured by a particular company, the Luftschiffbau Zeppelin of Germany (the Zeppelin Airship Construction Company), which was founded by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin. 4. A semi-rigid airship, like a blimp, maintains its aerodynamic shape from internal gas pressure, but it has a partial rigid frame, usually in the form of a keel, which supports and distributes loads and provides structural integrity during maneuvering. The modern Zeppelin NT, such as the Eureka, is a semi-rigid airship rather than a blimp. 5. A dirigible is any lighter-than-air craft that is both powered and steerable (as opposed to free floating, like a balloon). Blimps, rigid airships, and semi-rigid airships like the Zeppelin NT are all dirigibles. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! OK, I am goin gto ask the obvious, what is the difference in a blimp and a zep? -- * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://spacerocks.weebly.com http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 * Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = Phil, List, As the sarcastic individual who suggested a need for Blimp Patches, I apologize. It is, literally, a Zeppelin, built by the Zeppelin company in Friedrichshafen, Germany, home of the original Zeppelins. At 246 feet long, she stretches 15 feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50 feet longer than the largest commercial blimps flying today. It is named Eureka, nicely matching the history of Sutter's Mill. Maybe the name will bring good luck. http://www.airshipventures.com/about Unlike the original Zeppelins, it is a semi-rigid design, lacking a full envelope frame like the old ones. However, it is made of carbon fibre and aluminum, has very sophisticated motive control, with vectored thrust and fly-by-wire controls, and has incredible maneuverability. That said, trying to maneuver close to the ground in that terrain in a weightless craft almost as long as a football field is a daunting prospect. All old airshipmen know the dangers are near the ground, not in the sky. Zeppelin Patches? Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please! (LOL) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http
Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
Really, lighten up, what's more fun than blimps and zepplins? Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com; dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Jeez, Mike your no fun.. :-) * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:49 AM To: dorifry Cc: Stuart McDaniel ; Sterling K. Webb ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Can't we all use google to research this? It is really less interesting than the incredibly rare meteorite which fell here, which seems to draw less attention than an aircraft This is a meteorite list, not a zeppelin or blimp list. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: A dirigible is any lighter-than-air airship that can be steered. Zepplins and blimps are both dirigibles. The word comes from the French word diriger meaning to direct. It was first applied to the French army's airship La France in 1884. Count Ferdinand Graf von Zepplin built his first airship the LZ-1 in 1900. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! OK, so everyone is wrong...it's a dirigible. (semi-rigid airship) :-) * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:01 PM To: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; dorifry Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Stuart, List 1. A blimp (technically called a pressure airship) is a powered, steerable, lighter-than-air vehicle whose shape is maintained by the pressure of the gases within its envelope. A blimp has no rigid internal structure; if a blimp deflates, it loses its shape. 2. A rigid airship has a framework surrounding one or more individual gas cells, and maintains its shape by virtue of its rigid framework and not the pressure of its lifting gas. 3. A zeppelin is a rigid airship manufactured by a particular company, the Luftschiffbau Zeppelin of Germany (the Zeppelin Airship Construction Company), which was founded by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin. 4. A semi-rigid airship, like a blimp, maintains its aerodynamic shape from internal gas pressure, but it has a partial rigid frame, usually in the form of a keel, which supports and distributes loads and provides structural integrity during maneuvering. The modern Zeppelin NT, such as the Eureka, is a semi-rigid airship rather than a blimp. 5. A dirigible is any lighter-than-air craft that is both powered and steerable (as opposed to free floating, like a balloon). Blimps, rigid airships, and semi-rigid airships like the Zeppelin NT are all dirigibles. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! OK, I am goin gto ask the obvious, what is the difference in a blimp and a zep? -- * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://spacerocks.weebly.com http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 * Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = Phil, List, As the sarcastic individual who suggested a need for Blimp Patches, I apologize. It is, literally, a Zeppelin, built by the Zeppelin company in Friedrichshafen, Germany, home of the original Zeppelins. At 246 feet long, she stretches 15 feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50 feet longer than the largest commercial blimps flying today. It is named Eureka, nicely matching the history of Sutter's Mill. Maybe the name will bring good luck. http://www.airshipventures.com/about Unlike the original Zeppelins, it is a semi-rigid design, lacking a full envelope frame like the old
Re: [meteorite-list] New find location coordinates available (Off Topic)
Great page with excellent information! This will set the standard for all subsequent falls. One glaring error that needs to be corrected however: They landed in a wide area that includes Sutter's Mill, where the first gold was discovered by James Marshall in January of 1848. That discovery led to the worlds largest migration in history, known as the California Gold Rush. NOT! 300,000 miners made up the Gold Rush. The world's largest historical migration was the movement of tens of millions of Chinese from rural areas to the cities. After WWII, tens of millions of Europeans migrated (16.5 million Germans migrated from Eastern Europe to Western Europe,) the Russian Civil War caused millions to migrate. Millions of slaves in America migrated from the South to the North. Millions migrated during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of Pakistan. Nearly half a million Jews migrated to the former Palestine. Sorry for the OT rant, but if you're going to talk about history, get the facts straight! Howabout that four-year old girl that found a meteorite? Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:53 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New find location coordinates available Peter Jenniskens has posted new find location coordinates: http://asima.seti.org/sm/ Thank you, Peter! Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies'
The meteor zombies are looking for stones they believe contains Element 115 (ununpentium) that can be used as Focusing Stones to control zombies in much the same way HAARP uses cell phone towers for mind control of the American population. ;-) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net; meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies' Meteorite Zombies?? That's a new one on me. Anita - Original Message From: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net To: meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 1:28:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17944373 Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please! (LOL) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
The fact that it's a Zepplin is what makes it so unusual. It's one of only two zeps in the world and the only one operating in the Americas. As a stamp collector, I've loved zeps for a long time, they're way cooler than blimps! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Phil, List, As the sarcastic individual who suggested a need for Blimp Patches, I apologize. It is, literally, a Zeppelin, built by the Zeppelin company in Friedrichshafen, Germany, home of the original Zeppelins. At 246 feet long, she stretches 15 feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50 feet longer than the largest commercial blimps flying today. It is named Eureka, nicely matching the history of Sutter's Mill. Maybe the name will bring good luck. http://www.airshipventures.com/about Unlike the original Zeppelins, it is a semi-rigid design, lacking a full envelope frame like the old ones. However, it is made of carbon fibre and aluminum, has very sophisticated motive control, with vectored thrust and fly-by-wire controls, and has incredible maneuverability. That said, trying to maneuver close to the ground in that terrain in a weightless craft almost as long as a football field is a daunting prospect. All old airshipmen know the dangers are near the ground, not in the sky. Zeppelin Patches? Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp! Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please! (LOL) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp
From the news article: The team will use cameras and binoculars to look for burn patches on the ground, then direct ground crews to those locations to hunt for meteorite particles. The search is expected to continue on Friday. Really, burn patches? That's a little silly. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/03/4463578/scientists-on-the-hunt-for-meteorite.html#storylink=cpy - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp Watch out for the blimp ! A new way of hunting the Sutter's Mill 'main mass': Scientists today are mounting a massive search in the Sierra Nevada foothills for meteorite fragments [...] Experts from NASA and the SETI institute are en route to Sacramento this morning aboard a zeppelin provided by Airship Ventures, based at Moffett Field in the Bay Area. They were expected to stop briefly at McClellan Park airfield around 11 a.m., then lift off again to spend the afternoon surveying foothill regions of Placer and El Dorado counties. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/03/4463578/scientists-on-the-hunt-for-meteorite.html Track the ship here: http://www.airshipventures.com/about/track-the-ship GOOD LUCK !! Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Using an airship to spot good search areas
They're looking for the million dollar mother-lode. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com; met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Using an airship to spot good search areas Could they be trying to take images to generate an image of a possible strewn field. Then try And locate possible areas to hunt. I think a birds eye view like this would be helpful, although, they could use Google. -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. Sent: 3 May 2012 19:53:54 GMT To: met-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Using an airship to spot good search areas Hi All, Surely this line from the story in the Sacramento Bee cannot be right (or at the very least it is misleading): The team will use cameras and binoculars to look for burn patches on the ground, then direct ground crews to those locations to hunt for meteorite particles. The search is expected to continue on Friday. I just assumed that the airship would be used to identify promising search areas on the ground that were less vegetated. I can't imagine there are many areas under the fall that just happen to be burned (i.e. clear of vegation, allowing very small meteorites to be seen). Who would have been doing all the burning? --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry -- the law catches up (Grand Mars Meteorite)(
http://www.gospelbreadoflife.org/booklets/Meteorite/content.html Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry -- the law catches up It couldn't happen to a nicer yoyo. Everyone will, I believe, be very happy when this thorn in the collective side of meteorite science is removed. I'm still not sure if it's deliberate deception or simple self delusion. Remember the preacher who was told by God that he had an authentic Mars meteorite? Best! Tracy Latimer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Litchfield, CT object
Oh, It Came Out Of The Sky, landed just a little south of Moline. Jody fell out of his tractor, couldn't b'lieve what he seen. Laid on the ground and shook, fearin' for his life. Then he ran all the way to town screamin' It Came Out Of The Sky. Well, a crowd gathered 'round and a scientist said it was marsh gas. Joe B. came and made a speech about raising the Mars tax. The Vatican said, Woe, the Lord has come. Hollywood rushed out an epic film. And Joe the Plumber said it was a communist plot. Oh, the newspapers came and made Jody a national hero. Geraldo and Oprah said they'd put him on a network T.V. show. The White House said, Put the thing in the Blue Room. The Vatican said, No, it belongs to Rome. And Jody said, It's mine and you can have it for seventeen million. by J.C. Fogerty Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: George Blahun k...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Litchfield, CT object This just reported by WTNH-TV. Trooper, motorist report object falling from sky Updated: Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 12:35 PM EDT Published : Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 8:49 AM EDT LITCHFIELD, Conn. (WTNH/AP) — Authorities in northwestern Connecticut say they didn't find anything after a state trooper and another person reported a large object falling out of the sky in Litchfield. The Republican-American of Waterbury reports that a person driving in Litchfield at about 2 a.m. Tuesday reported that a green, glowing object the size of a whale fell from the sky and crashed into Bantam Lake. Officials say that at about the same time, a state trooper 10 miles away in Warren called dispatchers to report that something fell out of the sky and landed near Bantam or Morris. Morris firefighters made several passes up and down the lake in a boat looking for a possible plane crash, but didn't find any debris. Authorities called off the search, leaving the mystery unsolved. According to the National Weather Service, there was a meteor shower that morning. ___ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Harvard experts debunk meteorite discoveryinExeter
Michael: True dat! (LOL) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Harvard experts debunk meteorite discoveryinExeter This sounds like one of those cases that squanders scientific time and resources. Two different universities have already rendered negative opinions of the specimen, but the finder won't take no for an answer. He'll keep shopping it around until he finds an expert who finally says it's a meteorite. After UNH and Harvard have rejected it, and once this Arizona authority also rejects it, his next stop will be at a local community college where an economics professor will finally say it's a meteorite. Then the rock will end up on eBay with an opening bid of $744,000. -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 3/27/12, Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com wrote: Good morning all! I'd be interested in knowing which AZ lab is accepting this sample for testing??? Any ideas? Jim - Original Message - From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Harvard experts debunk meteorite discovery inExeter Harvard experts debunk meteorite discovery in Exeter, Ulery not giving up, seeks further chemical testing by Aaron Sanborn, Seacoast Online, March 20, 2012 http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120320/NEWS/203200367/-1/NEWSMAP Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man Claims Rockhaven Meteorite Find
Or maybe it's just Buzzard Coulee: Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum --- Man claims meteorite find http://www.thestarphoenix.com/technology/claims+meteorite+find/6207355/story.html A man claims to have found the first known meteorites from a fireball that lit up the sky over Saskatchewan and Alberta Tuesday night. A posting on Kijiji shows two roundish and blackened rocks a man says he found on the side of a highway north of Rockhaven. One of the rocks is listed for sale for an unspecified price and the other rock is shown suspended by a magnet. Now geologists and astronomers who study meteorites are trying to get in touch with the man in an attempt to verify whether the rocks are connected to Tuesday's meteor sighting, which rattled houses as it zoomed over North Battleford. Richard Huziak, a Saskatoon amateur astronomer and member of the Prairie Fireball Network, says the rocks in the picture look like chondrites, which match meteorites found after the Buzzard Coulee meteor crashed in central Saskatchewan in 2008. Several researchers are trying to get in touch with the man - unsuccessfully, so far - in an effort to bring the rocks to the University of Saskatchewan for examination and testing. Until they're presented, it's hard to know what fall they came from, Huziak said. They may well be meteorites, he said, but ones that fell years ago. U of S geologist Mel Stauffer is also trying to get in touch with the man in an effort to check the rocks' authenticity. The photograph he posted on Kijiji looks to be of a meteorite, Stauffer said in an email. University of Calgary geoscientist Alan Hildebrand, who co-ordinates the Canadian Fireball Reporting Centre, said anyone who has found a meteorite and wants to sell it would be wise to have experts identify it first. Some meteorites are more rare - and therefore far more valuable - than others. We have foolproof ways of telling if it's a recent fall or not, Hildebrand added. When contacted by The StarPhoenix, the man behind the Kijiji ad was not willing to have his name or photograph in the paper. Faye Rowat, one of a handful of residents in the tiny settlement of Rockhaven, said there have been a few people out searching the area since Tuesday's fireball. On Friday morning, she was about to head out with some magnets and her two grandsons, the youngest of which was enthused about the chance of coming across a space rock. It's a free gift from the asteroid belt, Huziak said. We can build spaceships for a hundred million dollars and go out and get pieces. Or they can just fall to the Earth and we can pick them up. Each rock tells you a bit more about the origin of the solar system and they all date back to the age of the formation of the Earth, or even before that. Both Huziak and Hildebrand said several new videos have surfaced in the past couple of days that are allowing them to narrow down the location of the so-called strewn field where pieces fell, which they say is likely south of Rockhaven. The hamlet is about 190 kilometres northwest of Saskatoon. Huziak said several explosions are visible in the video footage, suggesting pieces broke off the meteor higher up and may have survived the fall to Earth. Security camera footage from the Corman Air Park shows an intensely bright greenish ball that appears for just a second, hurtling towards the ground, leaving a brief trail of yellow sparks in its wake. Hildebrand said he wants to see more footage of that night from different locations, including cameras that were pointed at the ground and captured flashes of light and objects' shadows. More footage from different angles could help them narrow the crash site down to a dozen square kilometres and would result in a more fruitful meteorite search, he said. We're not there yet. Would-be rock hunters should also know there's an etiquette to abide by. You can legally remove a rock you find on public land, but a meteorite sitting in a farmer's field belongs to him and if you remove it without permission, you are trespassing, Huziak said. On Thursday, one aspiring meteorite hunter put out a call on Lloydminster's Kijiji page looking for Rockhaven-area landowners' permission to search on their property. Will pay for access split 50/50, the post says. Huziak hopes people in the Rockhaven area are keeping an eye out for blackened rocks, which should be easily spotted on frozen ponds and against the backdrop of snow. It's good for everyone to be out looking, because if there's a serendipitous discovery, we all benefit from it, he said. Sadly for meteorite hunters, this weekend's weather outlook is not favourable - a storm warning with five to 10 centimetres of snow, wind gusting to 70 kilometres an hour and poor visibility is forecast for Saturday. -With files from Lana Haight jfre...@thestarphoenix.com © Copyright (c) The
[meteorite-list] 93 Kilo Druid Meteorite
And they found a smaller one in a grain pit!: http://news.discovery.com/space/druids-meteorite-stonehenge-ice-age-120209.html Large Meteorite Likely Found in Druid Burial Site Britain's largest space rock -- excavated 200 years ago by an archaeological dig -- was preserved by the Ice Age. Thu Feb 9, 2012 04:01 PM ET Content provided by Jeanna Bryner, LiveScience THE GIST a.. In a new exhibition, the 205 pound meteorite is on display, along with its mysterious story. b.. The space rock was likely found by druids to build a burial chamber and later unearthed by archaeologists near Stonehenge. c.. Scientists believe that the meteorite was preserved by the onset of the Ice Age. enlarge The 205 pound meteorite likely crashed to Earth 30,000 years ago -- it was then preserved by the freezing conditions of the Ice Age. Click to enlarge this image. Credit: Open University With a weight that rivals a baby elephant, a meteorite that fell from space some 30,000 years ago is likely Britain's largest space rock. And after much sleuthing, researchers think they know where it came from and how it survived so long without weathering away. The giant rock, spanning about 1.6 feet (0.5 meters) across and weighing 205 pounds (93 kilograms), was likely discovered by an archaeologist about 200 years ago at a burial site created by the Druids (an ancient Celtic priesthood) near Stonehenge, according to said Colin Pillinger, a professor of planetary sciences at the Open University. ANALYSIS: Forget Space Beer, Order Meteorite Wine Instead Pillinger curated the exhibition Objects in Space, which opened Feb. 9 and is the first time the public will get a chance to see the meteorite. The exhibition will explore not only the mystery that surrounds the origins of the giant meteorite, but also the history and our fascination with space rocks. As for how the meteorite survived its long stint on Earth, researchers point to the ice age. The only meteorites that we know about that have survived these long ages are the ones that were collected in Antarctica, said Pillinger, adding that more recently, some ancient meteorites have been collected in the Sahara Desert. This rock came from neither the Sahara Desert nor Antarctica, but rather the Lake House in Wiltshire. Britain was under an ice age for 20,000 years, Pillinger told LiveScience, explaining the climate would have protected the rock from weathering. At some point, the Druids likely picked up the meteorite when scouting for rocks to build burial chambers. They were keen on building burial sites for [the dead] in much the same way the Egyptians built the pyramids, Pillinger said. SCIENCE CHANNEL: Meteorite Men Videos Then, years later, an archaeologist with ties to other, famous archaeologists, likely found the rock while excavating the Druids' burial sites, he said. The archaeologist then brought the rock back to his house in Wiltshire, where its more recent residents took notice and alerted researchers. The men whose house this was found at spent a lot of time opening these burial sites 200 years ago for purposes of excavating them, Pillinger said. Our hypothesis is that the stone probably came out of one of those burial chambers. WATCH VIDEOS: FROM METEORS TO ASTEROIDSThe meteorite is called a chondrite, a group that includes primitive meteorites that scientists think were remnants shed from the original building blocks of planets. Most meteorites found on Earth fit into this group. ANALYSIS: Farmer Finds Rare Meteorite Other objects on display include a much smaller meteorite, weighing about an ounce (32 grams), and excavated from a grain pit where ancient peoples of the Iron Age stored their crops. It was discovered in the 1970s at Danebury Hill Fort in Hampshire, though it wasn't until the 1980s when scientists analyzed metal in the walnut-size object did they realize its extraterrestrial origin. The exhibition will also include a Damien Hirst spot painting, which features the famous Beagle 2 spacecraft as its center spot. In addition, part of Newton's apple tree will be on display. The story of how researchers are uncovering the origins of these impressive specimens will astonish and delight visitors to this remarkable exhibition, which also contains letters and books charting the history of scientific interest in meteorites. The Royal Society's London headquarters will house the exhibit through March 30. - Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 93 Kilo Druid Meteorite
Apparently, Professor Colin Pillinger referenced the larger Lake House meteorite in his talk. http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5066146/Main/5064095 Hi all, The 'Lake House' meteorite is referenced in Professor Colin Pillingers talk at the Royal society recently. I include below my recent post to the met list about this: Please see the link below to a webcast of Professor Colin Pillingers lecture to the Royal Society recently. (http://royalsociety.org/events/2012/stones-from-the-sky/) Professor Pillinger was the recipient of the Michael Faraday prize in recognition of his excellence in communicating science. The lecture is called 'Stones from the sky - A heaven sent opportunity to talk about science' For those who dont know about Professor Pillinger, here is a lowdown: 'Colin Pillinger is Professor of Planetary Sciences at the Open University. His research interests include designing unique instruments to analyse extraterrestrial samples. During his forty year career he has made more than a thousand contributions to scientific literature, and also found time to be one of Britain's foremost science communicators, contributing dozens of popular articles in newspapers and magazines as well as giving hundreds of public lectures. After analysing a number of meteorites from Mars and finding tantalising evidence of the existence of life there, he conceived the Beagle 2 mission to land on the Red Planet to confirm his discoveries. Throughout the project he filled over thirty notebooks recording the daily happenings which form the basis of his autobiographical account of the mission - My life on Mars. ' Colin Pillinger is friends with Derek and Katrina Gray, the owners of the Wold Cottage and has a particular interest in the Wold Cottage meteorite and in Sir Edward Topham who was the owner of the land at the time the meteorite fell. The webcast is an hour long but its worth watching, a really good intro to the history of the study of meteorites from a definite personality in the field. Cheers Martin - Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 93 Kilo Druid Meteorite Hi Phil and List, The smaller Danebury stone is in the Met Bulletin. The larger stone is not. I'm curious if the institution holding the larger stone has any plans to get it classified and approved by NonCom? Second question - did the Druids have any idea this stone was from the sky? Or did they just find a heavy rock and keep it? Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 2/11/12, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: And they found a smaller one in a grain pit!: http://news.discovery.com/space/druids-meteorite-stonehenge-ice-age-120209.html Large Meteorite Likely Found in Druid Burial Site Britain's largest space rock -- excavated 200 years ago by an archaeological dig -- was preserved by the Ice Age. Thu Feb 9, 2012 04:01 PM ET Content provided by Jeanna Bryner, LiveScience THE GIST a.. In a new exhibition, the 205 pound meteorite is on display, along with its mysterious story. b.. The space rock was likely found by druids to build a burial chamber and later unearthed by archaeologists near Stonehenge. c.. Scientists believe that the meteorite was preserved by the onset of the Ice Age. enlarge The 205 pound meteorite likely crashed to Earth 30,000 years ago -- it was then preserved by the freezing conditions of the Ice Age. Click to enlarge this image. Credit: Open University With a weight that rivals a baby elephant, a meteorite that fell from space some 30,000 years ago is likely Britain's largest space rock. And after much sleuthing, researchers think they know where it came from and how it survived so long without weathering away. The giant rock, spanning about 1.6 feet (0.5 meters) across and weighing 205 pounds (93 kilograms), was likely discovered by an archaeologist about 200 years ago at a burial site created by the Druids (an ancient Celtic priesthood) near Stonehenge, according to said Colin Pillinger, a professor of planetary sciences at the Open University. ANALYSIS: Forget Space Beer, Order Meteorite Wine Instead Pillinger curated the exhibition Objects in Space, which opened Feb. 9 and is the first time the public will get a chance to see the meteorite. The exhibition will explore not only the mystery that surrounds the origins of the giant meteorite, but also
Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
Just to clarify, there are no black panthers (Panthera) living in North America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the Puma genus. Black panther sightings are urban legends. http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas Nothing has been found where the radar data said it might be. Torvald and Donavan have left the zone replaced by Stephen Thompson out of Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom characteristics. I've been lucky enough to get some media attention to try to motivate the public to assist here is today's interview on TV. This is the 5 TV interview I've given since arriving. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/ We spent the day interviewing more witnesses compiling and extending the range of sonic boom farther to the east to include Wills Point, and southern Lake Tawakanii. We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of 19. Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that the landowner who owns the land in the north where the upper radar blip is, has gotten very hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to tell everyone to stay off that property. He thinks the landowner may shoot to wound or maim. So I'd like everyone to take that threat to heart. At this point, we have two new important observations and think the strewnfield to be east of 19 now. At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but the Black Panther remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were killed. Also, the park rangers at the state park warned us that a mountain lion has been spotted in the area. Some sonic boom activity has been traced back to some individual using some kind of reactive explosive that detonates when shot by a bullet. The local police has informed us this has been a bit of a problem for weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our acoustical survey. and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David Gonzales, and Marc Fries for giving us back support. -mccartney taylor stephen thompson (meteorite hunter) (offical panther bait) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
Black panthers are not native to North America. They live in Central and South America, Asia and Africa. I doubt if the average Joe can tell a Panthera from a Puma. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com; dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas I wouldn't be so quick there, just because no on has ever CAPTURED or KILLED one... doen't mean they could not be there. There are more exotic species of animals in TX than any other state. Why could there not be an escaped one? My wife is from TX and has seen one on their land they farmed when she was growing up, it was from a defunct circus that turned the animals loose. -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://spacerocks.weebly.com http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: = Just to clarify, there are no black panthers (Panthera) living in North America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the Puma genus. Black panther sightings are urban legends. http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas Nothing has been found where the radar data said it might be. Torvald and Donavan have left the zone replaced by Stephen Thompson out of Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom characteristics. I've been lucky enough to get some media attention to try to motivate the public to assist here is today's interview on TV. This is the 5 TV interview I've given since arriving. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/ We spent the day interviewing more witnesses compiling and extending the range of sonic boom farther to the east to include Wills Point, and southern Lake Tawakanii. We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of 19. Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that the landowner who owns the land in the north where the upper radar blip is, has gotten very hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to tell everyone to stay off that property. He thinks the landowner may shoot to wound or maim. So I'd like everyone to take that threat to heart. At this point, we have two new important observations and think the strewnfield to be east of 19 now. At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but the Black Panther remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were killed. Also, the park rangers at the state park warned us that a mountain lion has been spotted in the area. Some sonic boom activity has been traced back to some individual using some kind of reactive explosive that detonates when shot by a bullet. The local police has informed us this has been a bit of a problem for weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our acoustical survey. and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David Gonzales, and Marc Fries for giving us back support. -mccartney taylor stephen thompson (meteorite hunter) (offical panther bait) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Petition For a Pluto New Horizons Stamp
Hey, watch it, I'm 5' 9 and 3/4! Seriously though, if you count all the other trans Neptunian objects, such as Charon, Chaos, Deucalion, Huya, Ixion, Makemake, Orcus, Quaoar, Sedna, Varuna and my personal favorite, Rhadamanthus, there are millions of planets. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: g...@webbers.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Petition For a Pluto New Horizons Stamp Gary, List, If it's not a planet, why do we call it a dwarf PLANET? Do you refer to everyone you know who is less than five-foot-ten as a dwarf person? So-and-so isn't a person; he's a dwarf person? Adjectives do not negate the thing they describe. So, we have dwarf planets, gas planets, rocky planets, etc, but they're ALL planets. I take the IAU at its literal word, not its irrational intent. As far as I am concerned, Pluto is a planet, Ceres is a planet, Eris is a planet, Makemake and Haumea are... You get the idea. Since Vesta (now that we've seen it) probably formed round and has been chipped away at ever since, it's a planet (and likely Pallas and Hygeia too). There are at least 23 planets, (despite the eccentric opinions of an Uruguayan cosmologist to whom I would suggest in reply that Brazil is a nation and Uruguay is only a dwarf nation). IAU: A planet is a celestial body that (a) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (b) is in orbit around a star, and is neither a star nor a satellite of a planet. I would add the phrase unless distorted by dynamic equilibrium, a condition that unless added would eliminate Jupiter and Saturn and even the Earth as planets! Planet quarrels. Good times... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote g...@webbers.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Petition For a Pluto New Horizons Stamp But Pluto isn't a planet anymore. Its a dwarf planet. Maybe they'll make really tiny stamps ;) Gary On Wed, February 1, 2012 11:46 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Of course, in March 2015, if all goes well, the New Horizons mission will reach Pluto. Don't you think it will deserve a stamp of its own to correct that 1991 stamp when it gets there, in 2015? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alien Interstellar Material Discovered
Blown by the interstellar wind: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46209853/ns/technology_and_science-space/ NASA probe discovers 'alien' matter outside solar system Interstellar material spotted by IBEX from orbit 200,000 miles above Earth For the very first time, a NASA spacecraft has detected matter from outside our solar system - material that came from elsewhere in the galaxy, researchers announced Tuesday. This so-called interstellar material was spotted by NASA's Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX), a spacecraft that is studying the edge of the solar system from its orbit about 200,000 miles above Earth. This alien interstellar material is really the stuff that stars and planets and people are made of - it's really important to be measuring it, David McComas, IBEX principal investigator and assistant vice president of the Space Science and Engineering Division at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, said in a news briefing today from NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C. 1.. More space news from msnbc.com 1.. NASA To the moon? The idea isn't that loony Science editor Alan Boyle's blog: Newt Gingrich's pledge to put Americans back on the moon in 2020 may be a political ploy and an economic fantasy, but it's still a technological possibility. 2.. Catch the afterglow of the solar storm 3.. If E.T. exists, he's avoiding us, scientists say 4.. NASA launches Facebook space trivia game An international team of scientists presented new findings from IBEX, which included the first detection of alien particles of hydrogen, oxygen and neon, in addition to the confirmation of previously detected helium. [ Images from NASA's IBEX Mission ] These atoms are remnants of older stars that have ended their lives in violent explosions, called supernovas, which dispersed the elements throughout the galaxy. As interstellar wind blows these charged and neutral particles through the Milky Way, the IBEX probe is able to create a census of the elements that are present. Heavy elements in space According to the new study, the researchers found 74 oxygen atoms for every 20 neon atoms in the interstellar wind. For comparison, there are 111 oxygen atoms for every 20 neon atoms in our solar system, meaning there are more oxygen atoms in any part of the solar system than in nearby interstellar space, the scientists said in a statement. Advertise | AdChoices Advertise | AdChoices Advertise | AdChoices These are important elements to know quantitatively because they are the building blocks of stars, planets, people, McComas said. We discovered this puzzle: matter outside our solar system doesn't look like material inside our solar system. It seems to be deficient in oxygen compared to neon. The presence of less oxygen within interstellar material could indicate that the sun formed in a region with less oxygen compared to its current location, the researchers said. Or, it could be a sign that oxygen is locked up in other galactic materials, such as cosmic grains of dust or ice. [ Top 10 Strangest Things in Space ] That leaves us with a puzzle for now: could it be that some of that oxygen, which is so crucial for life on Earth, is locked up in the cosmic dust? asked Eberhard Möbius, a professor at the University of New Hampshire and a visiting professor at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. Or, does it tell us how different our neighborhood is compared to the sun's birthplace? IBEX also measured the interstellar wind traveling at a slower speed and from a different direction than was previously thought. The research now shows that the interstellar wind exerts 20 percent less pressure on our heliosphere, which is a protective bubble that shields our solar system from powerful, damaging cosmic rays. Measuring the pressure on our heliosphere from the material in the galaxy and from the magnetic fields out there will help determine the size and shape of our solar system as it travels through the galaxy, Eric Christian, IBEX mission scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said in a statement. A history of the universe The results of the new study will also help scientists shed light on the history of the material in the universe. It tells us things about the part of space that we live in, and the interaction with that part of space with the rest of the galaxy, McComas said. The observations from IBEX and the ability to determine the ratio of elements in space could help scientists understand how the galaxy has evolved and changed over time. I find it really exciting that right on our front doorstep, we can take a sample of this interstellar matter around us, Möbius said. If you think back all the way to the Big Bang, there was only hydrogen and helium. Then stars and supernovas sprinkled it with heavy elements - if you imagine that we are made out of the material that has been belched out
[meteorite-list] Lunar Impacts
The study of lunar zircons helps establish the dates of impact craters. http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20122301-23036-2.html Meteorites definitely struck Moon Curtin University Tuesday, 24 January 2012 The presence of zircon in rocks collected during the Apollo missions provides unequivocal evidence that meteorites have collided with our Moon. Image: NASA/JPL Research led by Curtin University geologists has uncovered a wealth of new evidence in the mineral zircon from lunar rock samples recovered during NASA's Apollo missions, revealing indisputable proof of meteorite collisions on the Moon. Headed by microstructural geology experts Dr Nick Timms and Professor Steven Reddy of the Western Australian School of Mines (WASM), the study documents the discovery of impact-related shock features in lunar zircon, giving scientists a new conceptual framework to explain the history and timing of meteorite impact events in our solar system. Dr Timms said the discovery was made while looking more closely at lunar zircon mineral grains, with the use of microscopy facilities at Curtin, and finding the presence of preserved microscopic details, known as planar deformation features (PDFs), as well as micro-twins (impact indicators), which are only ever produced by large-scale meteorite impacts. This research is the first to report the presence of PDFs and micro-twins in lunar zircon, which provide unequivocal evidence of the immense pressures that occur during an impact event, Dr Timms said. This research also provides a new explanation of how these features form. As shock waves pass through a rock, fractions of a second after a meteorite impact, these features form like microscopic crumple zones which are caused by directional differences in zircon's elasticity. Dr Timms said the research, which characterises the impact shock features, would provide a new framework for scientists to interpret impact-related data. The new conceptual framework allows lunar scientists to recognise whether complex zircon grains can be explained by a single impact event, or require more than one impact event, he said. Furthermore, our new approach allows us to recognise impact-related features in zircon in lunar and terrestrial rocks that would otherwise be overlooked or difficult to find. This helps us to overcome one of the major problems with studying the impact history of the Earth, as direct evidence of impacts, such as craters, become eroded and destroyed through processes of plate tectonics, so much so that none are preserved from the earliest periods of the Earth's history. Dr Timms said the research was a step closer to the major scientific goal of establishing the absolute timing of meteorite impact events on the Moon, and consequently, the inner solar system. The current paradigm for the early impact history of our solar system stems from studies of lunar rocks and involves a period of intense impact events around 3.9 billion years ago, known as the 'Late Heavy Bombardment', he said. Recent dating of grains of the mineral zircon in lunar samples by the research group at Curtin shows a range of ages that challenges this view and we anticipate the new framework will help us to test if this bombardment is recorded in similar age zircon grains on Earth. This research was the result of a collaborative effort between the Curtin research group in Applied Geology, Dr Nick Timms, Professor Steven Reddy, Associate Professor Alexander Nemchin, Dr Marion Grange and Professor Bob Pidgeon, as well as Dr Rob Hart from the Materials Characterisation Group in Curtin Applied Physics and Dr Dave Healy at the University of Aberdeen, UK. The Curtin research group in Applied Geology is a pioneer in its field and is currently leading the world in the application of quantitative microstructural techniques to zircon research. In 2006, they also made the discovery that zircon could deform in the Earth's crust and that the structures formed in this deformation could help modify the geochemistry of zircon. The group's most recent paper, Resolution of impact-related microstructures in lunar zircon: A shock deformation mechanism map, is published in the internationally esteemed journal, Meteoritics and Planetary Science. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Loot
More on the space loot story: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/science/space/nasa-tackles-problem-of-missing-moon-rocks.html NASA Searches for Loot That Traveled From Space to Another Void HOUSTON - West Virginia lost one, until it turned up one June day on a bookshelf in the basement of a retired dentist. New York has one in a vault at a museum in Albany, but another one given to the state for safekeeping was not kept very safe, because it appears to be missing, though the attorney general's office has started looking into the case. Enlarge This Image Michael Stravato for The New York Times Joseph R. Gutheinz Jr., a lawyer in Texas who retired from NASA, has helped track down dozens of missing moon rocks. A long-lost one in Colorado resurfaced at the home of a former governor, and another one in Arkansas was found among former President Bill Clinton's memorabilia. Somebody swiped one from a museum in the island country of Malta, and somebody else who got his hands on one in Honduras tried to sell it in Miami to an undercover federal agent. Rare art? Priceless jewels? Nothing so terrestrial. All of these items were literally out of this world: moon rocks, meteorite samples and other so-called astromaterials that were lent to researchers by NASA or were offered as gifts to American and foreign leaders. Hundreds of moon rocks and other space objects have been lost, destroyed, stolen or remain unaccounted for, some of which American astronauts and presidents presented to dignitaries around the country and the world decades ago and others that NASA officials lent for education, research and public display. The objects survived in outer space for ages and include some of the first samples ever returned from another planetary body, but after just a few short years on Earth they met the same fate as a set of car keys or a 29-cent postcard. Six meteorite samples lost in the mail in 2004 were headed to a lab at the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington and have never been seen since. In 1978, NASA lent a lunar sample disk to the Mount Cuba Astronomical Observatory in Greenville, Del. By the time NASA inquired about the disk more than 30 years later, the manager responsible for it had died and the disk - a six-inch diameter disk with soil and rock materials from the moon - was gone. NASA says the observatory could not locate it, but a member of the observatory's board of trustees maintains that the manager sent it back to NASA. A piece of the moon weighing 1.1 grams - among lunar samples collected by Apollo 17 astronauts in December 1972 - was given to the governor of West Virginia more than one year later. Its whereabouts were unknown in recent years, until the fragment resurfaced in June 2010, in a box in the basement game room of Robert T. Conner, a retired dentist. The only connection between him and the governor who was presented the lunar fragment, Arch A. Moore Jr., was Mr. Conner's brother, who died in 2002. Mr. Moore had been a lawyer in the Washington law firm that the brother owned, and the box containing the fragment included items from the man's office. The fragment was about the size of a dime, encased in a Lucite ball and mounted on a wooden plaque, and Mr. Conner had never given it much thought. It was not eye-catching at all, that's for sure, said Mr. Conner, 76. I've seen better-looking bowling trophies. Last month, NASA's inspector general, Paul K. Martin, determined that 517 moon rocks and other astromaterial samples that were lent between 1970 and 2010 had been lost or stolen. A report issued by Mr. Martin's office found that 11 of the 59 researchers in the Houston and Washington areas who were audited could not account for all of the samples NASA had lent them, or the agency found other discrepancies, including researchers who had items that according to agency records either did not exist or had been lent to others. The space agency had also failed to update its records for 12 researchers who had died, retired or relocated, in some instances without returning the samples. One researcher, the report noted, still had lunar samples he had borrowed 35 years earlier though he never conducted research on them. The report found that Johnson Space Center's Astromaterials Acquisition and Curation Office in Houston, which maintains NASA's collection of 163,000 astromaterial samples, lacked sufficient control over its loans of moon rocks and other items for research, education and public display. The samples that American and foreign dignitaries received as gifts were not included in the report, because the space agency does not track them. Moon-rock experts say NASA should keep an inventory of those as well, and they estimate that of nearly 400 moon rocks given to state and world leaders after the Apollo 11 and 17 missions, almost 200 have been lost, destroyed or stolen. Spokesmen for NASA in Washington and
Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century?
If life has been confirmed on Mars, wouldn't the President have called a press conference? Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? Michael has asked: Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian Tata fall is the most significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the last 50+ years? Not even close, Mike if by century, you were referring to falls observed through the 1900's. Take Nakhla for example. Witnessed fall. Immediate collection by experts and responsible for stirring the fuel under that most famous of all Martian argumentsis there is, or is there was ..life on Mars. Chock full of fossilized nanobacteria, biomorphs and whatever else they found last month that is being written up at this writing. Best regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? Hi List, Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian Tata fall is the most significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the last 50+ years? All things considered, this has the makings of a very significant event for science. This is the most pristine sample of Mars to arrive in labs for a long time, if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot compare to fresh stones collected less than a year after the fall. The unbroken stones and larger fragments will supply science with unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This new Martian is going to be widely studied, so I hope everyone is getting their microprobes warmed up in anticipation. Word has it that institutions and museums have been allocated a sizeable amount of material in terms of trades and donations, so there appears to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say that this new meteorite (whatever the official name turns out to be) will appear in a lot of papers and journals over time. For science, this is the next best thing to a manned sample-return mission. For collectors this is best thing since sliced bread. The only thing that could have made this fall better, from a collector's standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a Bedouin tent and struck a camel in the hump. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;) So, what is the going consensus on the details of this fall? Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly Tata) TKW - several kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in the form of large whole stones and large broken stones and that material has been absorbed into collections and is not likely to return to the market. Ballpark figure of material to be available eventually on the collector market is probably a few kilos (2-3kg?) Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual date - July 25, 2011? Other reports say earlier in July (13-15?) Time of fall - day or night? (night?) Type - Shergottite, shocked, silver-grey matrix with black shock veins. Glossy fresh black fusion crust. Misc - witness reports include an audible explosion and popping sounds. Does all of that sound about right? * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Quasicrystals
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21325-nobel-prizewinning-quasicrystal-gets-alien-status.html A Nobel prizewinning crystal has just got alien status. It now seems that the only known sample of a naturally occurring quasicrystal fell from space, changing our understanding of the conditions needed for these curious structures to form. Quasicrystals are orderly, like conventional crystals, but have a more complex form of symmetry. Patterns echoing this symmetry have been used in art for centuries but materials with this kind of order on the atomic scale were not discovered until the 1980s. Their discovery, in a lab-made material composed of metallic elements including aluminium and manganese, garnered Daniel Shechtman of the Technion Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa last year's Nobel prize in chemistry. Now Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University and colleagues have evidence that the only known naturally occurring quasicrystal sample, found in a rock from the Koryak mountains in eastern Russia, is part of a meteorite. Nutty conditions Steinhardt suspected the rock might be a meteorite when a team that he led discovered the natural quasicrystal sample in 2009. But other researchers, including meteorite expert Glenn MacPherson of the Smithsonian Institution of Washington DC, were sceptical. Now Steinhardt and members of the 2009 team have joined forces with MacPherson to perform a new analysis of the rock, uncovering evidence that has finally convinced MacPherson. In a paper that the pair and their teams wrote together, the researchers say the rock has experienced the extreme pressures and temperatures typical of the high-speed collisions that produce meteoroids in the asteroid belt. In addition, the relative abundances of different oxygen isotopes in the rock matched those of other meteorites rather than the isotope levels of rocks from Earth. It is still not clear exactly how quasicrystals form in nature. Laboratory specimens are made by depositing metallic vapour of a carefully controlled composition in a vacuum chamber. The new discovery that that they can form in space too, where the environment is more variable, suggests the crystals can be produced in a wider variety of conditions. Nature managed to do it under conditions we would have thought completely nuts, says Steinhardt. Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, DOI: 10.1073/pnas.115109 http://www.livescience.com/17708-bizarre-crystal-meteorite.html http://www.nature.com/news/the-quasicrystal-from-outer-space-1.9728 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS
Hi MikeG: Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA). Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing. There's a reason they're almost never allowed in courts of law. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Benjamin P. Sun bpsun2...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS Hi Benjamin and List, UPS should polygraph all of their employees about theft and fire every one that fails. Granted, I know polygraph testing is not perfect, but neither is UPS. I bet they would have to fire 50% of their staff if they did this. Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 12/20/11, Benjamin P. Sun bpsun2...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to type a long post about this subject, but I don't have time. I gtg out and join the fray.. I mean last minute Xmas shopping.. I'll just leave this here: http://www.sahara-nayzak.com/stolen/planetary.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
Rob, There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition. The National Academy of Sciences called the tests unreliable, unscientific and biased. I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, then why bother with a trial? Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Benjamin P. Sun bpsun2...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Polygraph testing legality Phil wrote: Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA). Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-) Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing. Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people. But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
Hi Jim, Actually, in Arizona, polygraph tests are only admissable if the judge and both lawyers agree to admit the evidence. You can be 100% sure that at least one lawyer is going to vote against admittance! This is why polygraph results are almost never, (if ever) allowed in court in any state. Taken together, the scientific studies on polygraph accuracy indicate that it's slightly better than flipping a coin. I can provide anecdotal evidence that is the exact opposite of the story you told. If your son had failed the test, I believe you would think polygraphs are completely bogus. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:03 PM Subject: OT: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality Hello Phil, Rob, Some years ago, one of my children was accused of dropping his pants and shaking his package at some young girls walking by my home. The cops came (who I knew...one was and still is a jerk and no longer works in my town) and questioned my son in my presence up until I said enough. The girls describe a kid in sweat pants and my son had never owned sweat pants, nor did the wife ever buy him any. This one jerk cop had something against my kid and just kept pushing my buttons. During this phase of the investigation, I believed my son 100% that he did not do it. I hired the top #1 man in the State of AZ to do a lie detector test on my kid within a day and a half from the interview with the cops. My kid traveled to Phoenix to do the test and the end result was he did not do what these little girls said he did. This data was turned over to the County Attorney and a better investigation was then conducted where as the little girls admitted to lying and the whole thing was dropped. You can bet your bottom dollar I believe the lie detector process works. The shoe fits on both sides of the law. If the top guy in AZ in the lie detector field conducts a test, you can also bet your bottom dollar every court in this state is going to respect the results of that test. Did I mention that cop that kept pushing my buttons no long works for my town? ;-) So, that saidthe questions of the day.When is a meteorite considered paired??? Does someone ( a scientist) just looking at a meteorite and saying it looks the same justification for saying it's paired Or should there be chemical testing to support scientific evidence for pairing? Cheers and Happy Holidays! Jim Jim Wooddell https://k7wfr.us - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality Rob, There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition. The National Academy of Sciences called the tests unreliable, unscientific and biased. I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, then why bother with a trial? Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Benjamin P. Sun bpsun2...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Polygraph testing legality Phil wrote: Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA). Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-) Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing. Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people. But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
- Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: dave carothers carother...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality Dave, Yes, they measure changes in bodily functions, nobody disputes that. But what do these changes mean? Is there a scientifically proven correspondence between the physiological changes and lying or truth telling? No there isn't. The changes could indicate simple nervousness about being accused of a crime. They could indicate an upset stomach or a migraine headache. They could indicate you're a Yogi master who can control his bodily responses. There's way too much room for interpretation when you try to determine a specific state of mind by measuring physiological responses. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: dave carothers carother...@gmail.com To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality Polygraph instruments are not meant to read your mind. They only measure changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin response, heart rate, etc.). When properly calibrated, the instrument does exactly that. You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph instrument. You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated, there are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam. Their autonomic nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception is not indicated during the exam questioning. Merry Christmas everyone! Dave - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality Rob, There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition. The National Academy of Sciences called the tests unreliable, unscientific and biased. I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, then why bother with a trial? Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Benjamin P. Sun bpsun2...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Polygraph testing legality Phil wrote: Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA). Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-) Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing. Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people. But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Start them young...
I would just change The friction as it falls through air to The ram pressure as it falls through air Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: David Entwistle da...@radiometeor.plus.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Start them young... Good basics from Kindergarten Group A... :o) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYb3IWK6KNk A shooting star is not a star Is not a star at all A shooting star's a meteor That's heading for a fall A shooting star is not a star Why does it shine so bright? The friction as it falls through air Produces heat and light A shooting star or meteor Whichever name you like The minute it comes down to Earth It's called a meteorite -- David Entwistle __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Supposedly Start Forest Fire
The idea that small meteorites can start fires has become common knowledge in the mind of the general public. I like how he calls them nickel rocks, and how they speculate in the last paragraph that meteor showers may have started the Chicago Fire! http://kdrv.com/oregon_trails/233107 By Ron Brown SAMS VALLEY, Ore. -- This past summer marks the 17th anniversary of one of the biggest fire seasons in Southern Oregon in several years, including the Hull Mountain Fire in Sams Valley. Investigators are pretty sure that fire was arson-caused. There was another fire in the same area just a few weeks later. It was called the Sprignet Butte Fire, and burned over a thousand acres in the Evans Creek area. Those who were in the Rogue Valley in the summer of 1994 remember it as a particularly bad year for wildfires. Within weeks of the end of the Hull Mountain Fire, which burned several homes and killed a man, another fire broke out near Sprignet Butte, just a mile or so from the start of the Hull Mountain Fire. Investigators say several ignition points were located, near a forest road. It certainly looked like the work of arsonists, maybe the same person who started the Hull Mountain Fire, but could there be another explanation? Sharon Weeg thinks so. She lived near there then, and had already been evacuated three times because of fires that summer. She says fire investigators then were skeptical. They'd never heard of a meteorite started a wildfire. After all these years, she's convinced that space rock landed in the tinder-dry forest and started the Sprignet Butte Fire. The question always remained... What happened to any of that meteorite? Could it have survived? And could it still be up there? That's where Tony Gallios comes into the story. Earlier this year he met Sharon Weeg at Accurate Locators in Gold Hill, shopping for parts for his metal detector. When she told him about the meteorite she saw, his curiosity led him to go on a search into the hills near east Evans Creek, to see if he couldn't find a trace of that space rock. Gallios found three pieces of nickel rock that seems to meet all the tests so far for being a meteorite. There were three pieces, all within a few inches of each other. All seem to fit together. Gallios says he's in contact with the Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory to confirm that it is, in fact, a space rock. It's been a little over 17 years ago when the Sprignet Butte Fire burned across those hills, scorching almost 1,200 acres. State fire investigators at first thought it was an arsonist that started those fires. Now there's a chance that the stones that were found by Tony Guillios could've been meteorites that could actually started a good part of that fire. Dick Pugh with the Cascadia Meteorite Lab is attempting to catalogue every meteorite that's ever landed in Oregon. He says there's about a half dozen so far and the first were actually just a few miles from the rock Tony Found, on Sams Creek near Gold Hill. Actually, several pieces were found mostly by gold miners. Others have been found near Klamath Falls, in Antelope Valley, and near Lakeview. If the meteorites did start the Sprignet Butte Fire, there may be other pieces still out there. Not hot any more, but perhaps the smoking guns fire investigators have been looking for almost two decades. Scientists and fire investigators are not sure that meteorites the size of the objects found by Gallios really can start fires. Some speculate that a rash of fires in 1871, including the great Chicago Fire and the Peshtigo, Wisconsin Fire could have be linked to meteor showers that summer. Meanwhile, others observers say meteorites are actually too cool when they hit the ground to start a fire. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone
Here's a 53.5 pound lunar shatter cone from the Montrose, Colorado lunar strewnfield: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Shatter-Cone-/150712542515?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item23172ae533 Found in Montrose County Colorado - - Montrose Lunar Shartter Cone (Luna Rose). Elemetal Chemistries in PPM'S from XRF Analysis: Au (-10), Pt (31), Ag (-8), Pd (-9), Fe (17.ok), Mo (5), Zr (43), Sr (444), Rb (10), Th (9), Pb (19), Zn (39), Cu (290), Co (155), Mn (1137), Ba (6871), Cs (372) This is an uncut piece weighing 53.5 lbs (aprox 24,000 grams). Shows ablative thumb prints. aerodynamic , rounded leading edges, taper trailing edges, heat bubbles, veining, and fissures. Please email with any questions. Buyer to pay shipping or local pickup availble. -- My buddy emailed the seller with some incisive questions, got a noncommittal answer, said he was selling it for a friend. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone
From the Urban Dictionary: 1. sharter One who sharts (soils one's pants while simply intending to fart). 2. sharter to shart oneself. to try to fart and accidentally shit oneself. the person committing the act of sharting. Related: shartastical, shartariffic, shartpro Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone If you look at the description he calls it a “SHA(R)TTER CONE” which is actually closer to what it really is. Turns out there is some truth in advertising. Paul G __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Best Hike on Mars You'll Ever Take
This video compresses 5 years and 4 months of the Martian rover Spirit's travels on the surface of the Red Planet into less than 3 minutes. The Best Hike On Mars You'll Ever Take http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/12/02/143051269/the-best-hike-on-mars-you-ll-ever-take by Robert Krulwich It took five years, three months and 27 days, but you can do it all in three minutes. Here, from start to finish, is what the NASA rover Spirit sniffed, bopped, scratched and saw as it moved across 4.8 miles of the Martian surface. The lens is wide-angled, so the horizon always looks like a curved mountain top; every so often a one-armed probe, looking weirdly lobster-like, will suddenly appear, noodle around, poke, tap or sift through the Martian soil. Towards the end you'll catch glimpses of the sun setting, (same sun! different set! I thought.) until Spirit gets stuck in the Martian muck and then, dramatically, everything goes dark. The folks who edited this together added movie music, which makes it really fun to watch. This is the best low-res, low-priced, low energy Martian hike you'll ever take. - Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. reply
The term fossil does not refer to the time period in which the meteorite fell. It refers to the conglomeritic texture of the meteorite. It's a borrowed geological term for anything (usually plant or animal remains) that have become embedded and preserved by natural processes in the Earth's crust. The only time constraint is it has to have been buried before the beginnng of recorded history. In this case the meteorite has become incorporated into the surrounding conglomerate material consisting of carbonate clasts from the limestone bedrock and an aggregate of pebbles and related lithologies from the nearby hills and alluvial fans. From the Ted Bunch et al. article: NWA 2828/2965 as a fossil or paleo meteorite. Of course! However, there are few guidelines. The Meteoritical Society Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature say this about relict meteorites: c) Special provisions are made in these Guidelines for highly altered materials that may have a meteoritic origin, designated relict meteorites, which are dominantly (95%) composed of secondary minerals formed on the body on which the object was found. Examples of such material may include some types of meteorite shale, fossil meteorites, and fusion crust. We find this rather confusing and ambiguous. Because rounded pieces of NWA 2828/2965 are clearly incorporated into a terrestrial rock (an indurated conglomerate) by natural geological processes, then they should be considered as fossil meteorites (albeit from a huge ancient fall). - Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: gmh...@centurylink.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. reply Hi Greg, It was a little late when I posted and I hadn't rested since Nov. 30; and as a topic of discussion I guess this shouldn't be pursued. Anyway, the classification will be changed if you give it some time, and if you have a greater grasp of what's gone on, so be it; how a letter to the editors of the bulletin is construed as 'arrogant' is completely lost on me but it sounds like I really don't want to know why. your own cute spin on it This does 'confirm EL6 is a good match!!! Speaking of the classification: don't know what my 'cute spin' is considering I've agreed with the revised US classification you since my first post after reading the well-researched page that was posted. The reason I posted the 2011 EL6 article was because it would seem to be new and confirms it is not an aubrite and the authors saw more material or/and research and are now convinced of that. It would seem things are moving in the right direction, just slowly. I'm sure this will all be resolved in its due time. Speaking of the terminology - fossil, paleo meteorite: Like you, I will speak my mind about the concept of meteorite fossils anytime and any place because that is a claim that just doesn't sound right. Too bad it was attached to this relict. When you said you were going to be blunt and call discussing it 'boring to most', I took umbrage. But all that has passed and I hope all works out as it usually does in time. I suppose if a meteorite is shown conclusively to have fallen in a previous time period it would be accurate to call it a an Ionian (middle-Pleistocene) meteorite if, for example, that is applicable, to refer to the fact that it was shown to have fallen in that time. That would make Gold Basin a Tarantian (upper-Pleistocene) meteorite as another example. It sounds very different to me to call the meteorite a fossil vs. have a reference to when it fell, but perhaps it's just me. Best of luck to you as well, Peace; (waves the white flag) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. yawn? Respectfully Doug, My god man, really? You wrote, What is your reply to this 2011 EL6 poster? Is it 'acceptable' to you since aubrite is removed? Or must more blood be drawn from the stone... Doug, I have no influence to anyone's written or online articles... consult them! This does 'confirm EL6 is a good match!!! You wrote (sorrowfully arrogant ignorant): A simple email to the editor at this point should be what is needed; no one likes getting yelled at to do something, I'm sure no one is happy to change it now. Doug, I am not yelling at anyone. When this subject enters our lives I will speak my mind with what I know. If you want to get evolved, don't dog me, match up to Tony, Ted and 'Al Hagg... et al'. I am simply the field person from 2005 who brought out NWA 2828, I know, the start of this mess!!! :-/ And, YES!, Doug, I challenge the Bulletin to decide this dead
[meteorite-list] Cannon Falls Man Discovers Meteorite, Again
CF man discovers meteorite, again by Ken Haggerty Skunk Hollow resident Larry Plucker is a fairly down-to-earth guy, except for maybe once every fifty years or so when he has what could be called cosmic experiences. Plucker, who runs an appliance repair business, grew up on a farm near Emery, South Dakota. When he was just a kid, back in 1962, he pulled a somewhat different looking rock out of a rock pile on the farm. The curious young kid did some encyclopedia research and suspected he had discovered a meteorite. He saw an article on meteorites in the farming magazine The Furrow and, as suggested in the article, sent a sample of the rock to the American Meteorite Laboratory in Denver, where it was confirmed a meteorite. The Lab, which was aggressively researching meteorites as the U.S. was in the early years of the space program, bought his 36 pound rock for nearly $200. (A meteorite is a natural object originating in outer space that survives impact with the Earth's surface. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, the body heats up and emits light, thus forming a fireball, also known as a meteor or shooting/falling star. There are about 40,000 documented meteorite finds in the world.) Fast forward almost half a century. It's late-October, 2011, when Plucker, his wife and son are on vacation in Washington, D.C. doing all the touristy monument and museum visits. During a stop at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, Plucker was walking through an exhibit on various geological finds when he said to his wife I wonder whatever happened to the meteorite I found. Plucker said they turned a corner and moments later he noticed a glassed-in display of meteorites, including one named Emery that was discovered in South Dakota, 1962. The meteorite he had found as a kid was on display at the Smithsonian! It turns out his meteorite is a type called a mesosiderite, and is a mix of stone, iron and nickel and is one of the more rare meteorites. Plucker says only about one percent of the found meteorites are of this type. Plucker grabbed a few pictures of his second chance occurrence with this cosmic rock for posterity and smiled about the probability and odds of finding that meteorite not once, but twice. Since he was a kid, Plucker has kept a sliver of the meteorite, which he carries with him in his wallet for good luck. As Plucker jokes, You know what they say: 'Catch a falling star and put in your pocket!' http://www.cannonfalls.com/main.asp?SectionID=1SubSectionID=1ArticleID=21039 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pope Benedict XVI's Astronomer: the Catholic Church Welcomes Aliens
You'll notice Brother Guy's hair suspiciously covers the top of his ears. What is he hiding? Is he possibly a secret Vulcan, like this guy?: http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x466/joshuatree/obama.jpg -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8009299/Pope-Benedict-XVIs-astronomer-the-Catholic-Church-welcomes-aliens.html Pope Benedict XVI's Astronomer: the Catholic Church Welcomes Aliens: Highly evolved extra terrestrial lifeforms may be living in space and would be welcomed into the church - no matter how many tentacles, one of the Pope's astronomers has said. Brother Guy Consolmagno is curator of the Pope's meteorite collection Photo: AP Photo/Plinio Lepri By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent 4:16PM BST 17 Sep 2010 41 Comments The senior Vatican scientist, Brother Guy Consolmagno, said that he would be delighted if we encountered intelligent aliens and would be happy to baptise them. His pronouncement opens up the possibility of space missionaries heading out to the stars to convert aliens to Christianity. Speaking on the eve of addressing the British Science Festival, Dr Consolmangno said he had no problem with science and religion co-existing together. But he dismissed Creationism and claimed that the revival of intelligent design - the controversial theory that only God can explain gaps in the theory of evolution - was bad theology. Dr Consolmango is one of a team of 12 astronomers working for the Vatican, said the Catholic Church had been supporting and funding science for centuries. He said he was comfortable with the idea of alien life and asked if he would baptise an alien, he replied Only if they asked. I'd be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found intelligent life elsewhere, he said. But the odds of us finding it, of it being intelligent and us being able to communicate with it - when you add them up it's probably not a practical question. God is bigger than just humanity. God is also the god of angels. He said the characteristics synonymous with having a soul - intelligence, free will, freedom to love and freedom to make decisions may not be unique to humans. Any entity - no matter how many tentacles it has has a soul,' he said. However machines were unlikely to be smart or human-enough to have souls. Dr Consolmango, 57, the curator of the Pope's meteorite collection, is a trained astronomer and planetary scientist at the Vatican's observatory. He worked as a scientist in California for 15 years before turning to the church. He said intelligent design had been hijacked by religious fundamentalists. The word has been hijacked by a narrow group of Creationist fundamentalists in America to mean something it did not originally mean at all. It's another form of the God of the gaps, he said. 'It's bad theology in that it turns God once again into the pagan god of thunder and lightning.' The phrase 'Intelligent Design' was centuries old and described the idea that God could be discovered in the laws of space and time and the existence of human reason.. The Vatican was 'very aware' of what was going on in the world of science, he added. The Pontifical Academy of Science, of which Stephen Hawking is a member, kept the senior cardinals and the Pope up-to-date with the latest scientific developments, he said. The discovery of aliens would raise huge theological problems for the Roman Catholic church that would make the debate over women priests, clerical abstinence and contraception pale into insignificance. --- Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Piece Of Burnt Meteorite Falls On East Delhi Housetop
What the heck izzat? Click on the link for a photo. It looks like fulgurites or tektites, but of course it's probably some kind of slag amd the kids made up the part about seeing it fall from the sky in a ball of flame. -- http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/Piece_Of_Burnt_Meteorite_Falls_On_East_Delhi_Housetop-12414.html New Delhi, Nov 28: A burning piece of space debris, probably a meteorite, fell on the roof of a house in East Delhi's Gandhinagar area on Sunday evening. The house owner immediately poured water on the burnt piece after which it broke up into small stones. The burning meteorite piece first struck the roof and fell on the balcony setting some clothes, a water jar and a bike on fire. Children playing on the roof at dusk noticed the burning object falling. Neighbours rushed with pails of water to douse the flame. Says an eye witness Namanpreeet Kaur: It took nearly 20 minutes to douse the flame. The object was so hot that it burnt even a portion of the wall. The burning meteorite later converted into several black stones.The local police has sent the stones to a forensic lab for tests. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men: Geoff Notkin Previews Season Three Premiere
Nice write-up http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/meteorite-men/meteorite-men-geoff-notkin-previews-season-three-premiere/108021 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Musuem __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammer???
OK, now that this discussion has descended into just plain silliness, if a meteorite hit and killed a pig, would it be a ham-hammer? Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] White House: No Evidence That ETs Have Reached Out To Touch Us -- Or Even Exist
http://www.aol.com/2011/11/08/white-house-says-no-et-evidence_n_1081731.html#s307060title=Lanterns White House: No Evidence That ETs Have Reached Out To Touch Us -- Or Even Exist Posted: 11/8/11 10:09 AM ET share this story 7 0 0 There's no evidence of any extraterrestrial life and no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye. And there you have it, straight from the White House's mouth, so to speak. UFO aficionados, skeptics and believers alike have waited patiently since September to see how the Obama administration would respond to two petitions under the new We the People program. According to the official response written and released Friday evening by Phil Larson at the White House Office of Science Technology Policy, while the government is saying it has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race, the door is still open to the possibility and search efforts of life outside our planet. And those efforts include the ongoing Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence -- or SETI -- which uses ground-based telescopes to try and tune in to signals from another world. Larson's response also mentions the Kepler spacecraft in Earth's orbit, searching for Earth-like planets, and the upcoming Mars Science Laboratory, a car-size vehicle that will explore the geology of the red planet to look for any of the building blocks of life. Undoubtedly, the minions who believe that Earth has already been visited by at least one race of extraterrestrials -- citing photographic, film, video tape, radar returns and landing traces as evidence -- will surely be disappointed with the White House's no evidence stance. Steven Bassett, who penned the first alien disclosure petition in September, isn't satisfied with the White House response and has announced on his Paradigm Research Group site his intention of filing another petition. The [White House] response was unacceptable. Much feedback is likely. PRG will begin to pre-promote a new petition relevant to the Disclosure process ... and will continue to keep the Disclosure issue front and center within this attempt at participatory democracy by the Obama administration, Bassett wrote. If someone, like Bassett, isn't happy with the response given by the Obama administration, he or she can turn right around and file a new petition with no restrictions. There's no reason someone couldn't submit a second petition, White House spokesman Matt Lehrich told The Huffington Post in an e-mail Monday. If it crosses the threshold [of 25,000 signatures], it will get a response. Obviously, if the petition is very similar, it may garner a similar response. Any backlash to the White House ET response will most likely come from people and organizations who will point to the thousands of pages of previously classified government documents about UFOs -- many of which clearly indicate that some UFO encounters with military forces and airline pilots in the past were considered so important that they weren't disclosed to the public. Of course, anything in the sky that can't be identified is a UFO. Experts, government officials and military personnel have often been unable to explain away sightings. That doesn't prove the existence of ETs, but it convinces many that we are not alone in the universe. They have got bases all over the world now, you know. They've been coming here ever since 1946 when the scientists first started bouncing radar beams off of the moon. And they have been living and working among us in vast quantities ever since. The government knows all about 'em. Well, they are people just like us, from within our own solar system. Except that their society is more highly evolved. I mean, they don't have no wars, they got no monetary system, they don't have any leaders because I mean each man is a leader. I mean each man ... because of their technology they are able to feed, clothe, house and transport themselves equally and with no effort. Why don't they reveal themselves to us is because if they did it would cause a general panic. Now, I mean, we still have leaders upon whom we rely for the release this information. These leaders have decided to repress this information because of the tremendous shock that it would cause to our antiquated systems. Now, the result of this has been that the Venusians have contacted people at all walks of life, all walks of life. It would be a devastating blow to our antiquated systems. So now Venusians are meeting with people in all walks of life in an advisory capacity. For once, man will have a god-like control over his own destiny. He will have a chance to transcend and to evolve with some equality for all. - Phil Whitmer
Re: [meteorite-list] The Dark Side.. Oops!
Do people still say dark side of the moon when referring to the far side of the moon? Apparently so! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Dark Side.. Oops! Hi all, Here's the link. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efb_1319733442 Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hard Core
Hard Core Meteorite Impact http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4297/hard-core-meteorite-impact Nice graphics. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum -- A neutrino walks into a bar and orders a Long Island ice tea. The bartender brings the drink. The neutrino says: How much?. No charge, says the barkeep. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any experts on meteorite Kiris blades
I've never once seen a meteoritic iron kris blade, but I've see about a bazillion made of Damascus steel. Damascus sort of looks like a Widmansttaten pattern if you didn't know any better. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any experts on meteorite Kiris blades Hi Mike, That's not quite accurate. Many are made of steel, Damascus steel, etc. On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: I've seen a couple of these for sale on eBay in the past. They were not exactly like the one's in Rob's photos, but they were similar. (if I recall correctly) Rob, if you have physical access to the blades in questions, a quick nickel test should rule in/out a meteoritic origin. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone - On 10/22/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Hi, Be very, very careful. The stories associated with most krises for sale in Indonesia are apocryphal. I've heard more fantastic stories---truly extraordinary tales---before the price drops precipitously during the course of negotiations. The kris is a very important cultural symbol and there are so many legends attached to this weapon. My favorite? It was widely believed a kris would, on its own, slide out of its sheath and fly through the sky to strike the enemies of its owner. Meteoritic iron? I've heard this a lotfar too often, in fact---and I would be extremely suspicious. Best / darryl On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Hello all I have a friend vacationing who ran across an antique store selling three Indonesian blades claiming to be made of meteoric iron. While I know that if you are going to find a meteorite blade it's gonna be Indonesian or Mike Miller's, I know very little about what they should look like. If the list holds any experts please have a look and weigh in. http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/blades.htm Thanks Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Magic Potato from Space-Meteorite
Don't quite know what to make of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magic-Potato-Space-Meteorite-/260854313267?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cbc20f133I guess it's sort of funny.Phil WhitmerJoshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of dollars. Larger ones are worth billions! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Bob Falls bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: 'Count Deiro' countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 8000BC Big Dipper Petroglyph: Evolution of star positions 2
Hi Robert, I'm assuming the 150,000 yrs BP is a typo, since the oldest known petroglyphs are about 12,000 years old and the first cave paintings date back 35,000 yrs. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum --- Hello Mexico Doug, List, Thanks for the video. This concept of the evolution of the configuration of the stars of the Big Dipper is evidently widespread in China because it's even used in high-school teaching materials. This is why Wu Jiacai did not bother to list a source for his diagram of the evolution of the configuration from 100,000 BP to 12,000 AD. By the way, a stone originally owned by an antiquarian is claimed to be an even more ancient (150,000 yrs BP) map of the Big Dipper (http://61.128.162.70/stone/686/686.htm). Click once on the arrow below details (A), (b), and (C), and you see the current configuration of the Big Dipper; click a 2nd time, and you see the configuration 100,000 yrs in the future; click a 3rd time, and you see the configuration 100,000 yrs BP. One other figure in Wu Jiacai's scholarly article may interest astronomers; I've extracted and entitled it Full19-StarConfig.jpg at https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/18663629/1/Hongshan%20Cu15, 16, and 17 lture?h=bdfa66 It shows all 19 of the pockmarks on the rock that he regards as stars. The seven stars of the Big Dipper are linked by dotted lines. He says stars number 9, 10, 11, and 12 belong to Bootes, while 15, 16, and 17 are known as the Three Stars. To hazard a guess, the Three Stars may be epsilon, sigma and rho Bootis, known in China for a few thousand years as Genghe 1, 2, and 3, but of course he's talking about star positions 10,000 years ago. Lastly, he says that 13, 14, 16, 18, 19, and 20 are unknown as yet. Regards Robert A. Juhl, Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
Sorry, but this is unnacceptable unless The Amazing Randi is somehow involved. This may finally put an end to the meteoritical activities of Chicago Steve! Sorry Steve, I'm just jealous that you were included on the illustrious list. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Walter L. Newton new...@acrossthebow.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon! For you reading pleasure, a LONG message from Steve Curry to... well... a heck of a lot of people. P.S. I'm not even a member of the IMCA, so I'm not sure how I can tender my resignation. Can I find two members to vouch for me so I can join, just in case I need to resign? Walter L. Newton 303-838-2058 Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ Jewelry http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) From: Steve Curry [mailto:cwhei...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:24 AM To: wahlpe...@aol.com; Walter L. Newton; mexicod...@aim.com; countde...@earthlink.net; daist...@hotmail.com; stlouismeteori...@gmail.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list; JoshuaTreeMuseum; yeom...@gmail.com; mikest...@gmail.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; gmh...@centurylink.net; daniel_w...@comcast.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com; axolot...@gmail.com; Randy Korotev; Randy L. Korotev; John Wasson; James Wittke; Roger Warin; Ken Newton; Stuart McDaniel; Dr. Michael Zolensky; Dr. Timothy McCoy; Maria Haas; Anne Black; Carl Agee; Chris A. Peterson; Dr. Alex Ruzicka; Tim Stout; Galactic Stone Ironworks; kevin.righter-1; Rainer Newberry; Ted Bunch; onther...@usairborne.com; Moto Ito; Tomasz Jakubowski; Ian A. Franchi; Zeus Crankypants; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan; Matthew Benjamin; lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: High Noon! Hi Boys Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves! I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, and business colleagues. YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!! As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above beyond reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own policies. Each every member of this organization needs to hang their heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership. This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this abhorrent behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences surrounding meteoritics. To those members, I ask that you take a stand against those members, who have treated this organization with such selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter. IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my use of the term, NWA 5000, in comparing our Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from a Moroccan dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the NWA 5000 is, somehow, a title deserving of a Trademark! For starters, Northwest Africa is by geographical location description, in Public Domain! 5000 is merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is considered Public Domain! The US Trademark Office would, simply, laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. It would not get any more embarrassing for Mr. Hupe, than this! If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once and for all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any substitutions, alterations, or changes, to this challenge. You can, also, trust, that this challenge this will be fair, and without bias, or prejudice. Unlike you folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair, and honestly! You can trust, too, that the stakes are extremely high! Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, HIGH NOON IN WESTERN COLORADO!..Even though, this dual will be held in the evening. I am giving a meteorite lecture seminar at the Delta County Library, on September 20, 2011, @ 6:00pm. If Mr. Hupe can trust his fellow IMCA member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample of the NWA 5000 to Mr. Reed. Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this lecture, armed with his new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. I, too, will show up with our XRF hand-held analyzer, which will be operated by an experienced geologist from Western Colorado. Mr. Reed, and our geologist, will conduct XRF analysis on both the NWA 5000, and our Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia. Both stones will be analyzed using the Precious Metal Mode,
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
Hi John: Don't let the door hit you in the tuchus on your way out! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: John Teague volg...@icx.net To: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com; Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon! Well, sure Mike, why use reason and logic in this 'debate'?!? Where would the world be if we all did that? This 'debate' is why I NO LONGER suggest this list to my customers at shows. I have had too many of them come back and ask why I had meteorite-list on my handout of website information for customers. I received so many negative comments/complaints about petty bickering (and NOT so petty!) that I've removed it. I keep asking myself Why do I continue to subscribe? It is getting harder and harder to come up with a valid reason ... just stubborn I guess! Just my two coppers worth ... John -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 6, 2011 3:48 PM To: Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon! Hi Gang, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think one simple fact is being overlooked by almost everyone involved here, and this simple criteria is the ultimate litmus test that definitively confirm or deny a terrestrial origin for a given sample... Drumroll please Cosmic ray exposure data. Elemental analysis is fine and dandy, and it can answer many questions, but it cannot definitively confirm or deny the terrestrial (or meteoritic) origin for a sample. It simply states what elements are present in the sample and in what concentrations (within a margin of error) these elements are present. As we all know, some lunar and martian meteorites are very similar in elemental composition to their terrestrial analogs. But, terrestrial rocks have never been exposed to cosmic rays. By contrast, all meteorites have been exposed to cosmic rays during their journey from the parent body to Earth. This exposure leaves tell-tale markers in the material. Of course, I am over-simplifying to some degree, and the cosmic ray exposure clock can be reset by certain events, but those events also leave their own signatures. Simple XRF analysis, and/or visual comparisons will not cut it to make a truly definitive and authoritative judgement on the origins of a rock. Run cosmic ray exposure studies on the material in question - if it was exposed to cosmic rays, then that material has spent time outside of Earth's protective shield. Once that has been established, then the samples can be subjected to SEM (scanning electron microprobe) to determine the composition of the material to a more accurate and specific degree than the XRF will reveal. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 9/6/11, Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu wrote: Oh come on, Adam! Clearly the good Sheriff is an expert at identifying Martian meteorites. The only non-awesome part of that email was how I was somehow left off the Thinks Steve Curry is a Moron list. I feel cheated. Cheers, Marc Fries Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi List, I would suggest deleting Steve C.s emails from now on. Steve got exactly what he was after now that this garbage has been posted to the List. His San Juan breccia has already been studied and denounced by the most qualified laboratories. He refuses to follow the same channels the rest of us have to in order to make meteorites official. For some reason, possibly watching too much television, he thinks that he is better than everybody else, can set his own rules and become an instant millionaire. Sorry, Steve, despite what the voices in your head might be telling you, your gaggle of Moon Rocks is not better than the NASA Apollo returned collection! He now wants more attention with this fake showdown which will accomplish nothing because the results would not be what he wants to hear or believe. He has the nerve to question the integrity of the best planetary scientists in the world in his latest ramblings. He now thinks by comparing his terrestrial rocks to best lunar meteorite in the world that he can gain even more notoriety. He does not deserve any more attention. I will certainly not degrade a piece of real NWA 5K by engaging in this ridiculous High Noon challenge. My challenge to Stevy is how many Denver
[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names
Mike: The answer to your question is Answer (Australia). If that Angers (France) you, then Fukue (Japan) and the Fukang horse you rode in on! I like my meteorites smothered in Los Sauces (Argentina, 997kg) and garnished with a Mu Onion alusta. But my favorite silly meteorite name is: Un-named (Australia). Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Hi List, In your opinion, what is the silliest meteorite name? Git Git. (sounds like someone shoo'ing away a stray dog) Camel Donga, Billy Goat Donga (and all Dongas for that matter!) I am sure there are many more that I am forgetting at the moment. Anyone? Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names
Martin and Bill: My 6 year old respectfully disagrees! She laughs at the Australian names like Milly Milly, Laundry Rockhole, and Kittakittaooloo. She also likes Fuzzy Creek, Elephant Moraine, Two Buttes, Belly River, Lumpkin, Cartoonkana, Bununu, and Muleshoe. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Hello Bill and list member, I don't see how any are actually silly. (Bill) I agree with you, Bill! I do love the amount of flair in international meteorite names. It reflects the global variety of the 'meteorite world' we list members do actually live in. Maybe we should rather talk about the most inspiring or inspired names. Or invent, for fun, new additional and inofficial names (depending on structure of matrix, crust or shape of the meteorite etc.) for the somehow 'austere' NWA numbers. Just an idea. Best wishes to all of you Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names
Mayday, Mayday, Menow' Needmore meteorites. I'll sail my Skiff down the Little River at Dawn and pay a Ransom in Loot if I have to. I Felt it's an Enigma, but I Grant you, the Navajo Old Woman named Dora Rosario likes to read Thoreau and Ulysses while viewing Ed Hopper, Toulouse Latrec and Vincent Van Gogh watercolors at her Social Circle. I'll ride my Bronco named Pep with a Silver Bell or Bells on, to the Rodeo, stopping only to Pooposo often. If you want to fight about it, meet me under the Oak Lone Tree on the Round Top of Duel Hill or along Gun Creek. I'll bring my Sharps .50 caliber rifle to call your Bluff. After my Bath in Beaver Creek we can kibbitz and kvetch about Ybbsitz. I could go on forever like this, but I have to meet my old friend Cocklebiddy Cockburn out on Rabbit Flat by the Crab Hole. We're going to sit on a Loop Blanket and drink some Modoc or Chateau Renard. After we break Sleeper Camp we're going to Ski down Alan Hills to the Temple to celebrate our Success. Maybe we'll give Sterling Webb a call to discuss the Delphi Credo. If it doesn't Thunda and lightning, we can look for the lost Dingo Pup Donga. Or we could listen to some Otis day and the Knights while watching old episodes of Chico and the Man. Kybunga surfer dudes! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names
Mike, I'm sorry Ur not enjoying this thread. I Hope you can lighten up and Bustee gut laughing. I think Carl Sagan would enjoy it. I know it's a Donnybrook but I'm about to Rolla on the floor and laugh. Sorry I can't help myself, it's a holiday weekend. Phil Whitmer --- I sure wish there was the interest in the actual meteorites recovered or announced this month, a new pallasite and two recovered falls. Hardly the interest in the actual meteorites that there is in this stupid thread. Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Irish Meteorites 8.23.11
This just in: http://www.irishweatheronline.com/news/space/meteorite/meteorites-possible-from-irish-fireball/33267.html Meteorites Possible From Irish Fireball By Mark Dunphy - Tue Aug 23, 1:28 pm a.. 0 Comments b.. c.. [Translate] Edited byMark Dunphy a.. Also Wrote b.. NASA Spots Extra Energy In The Sun's Corona c.. Earthquakes Hit Argentina And New Zealand d.. Record Flooding Affects North Dakota e.. Video:Massive Dust Storm Hits Middle East f.. GALLERY Ireland On 25 January 2011 A fireball, similar to the one pictured, was observed over Irish skies on 23 August 2011 Astronomy Ireland (AI) has confirmed that a fireball meteor entered the atmosphere above Ireland in the early hours of Tuesday morning (23 August 2011). The organisation added that meteor fragments are likely to have reached the surface but it remains unclear at this stage if the impact occurred overland or in the Atlantic Ocean. Astronomy Ireland says it has already received dozens of reports of a bright fireball shooting across Irish skies at approximately 12:15 AM on Tuesday. 60-70% of reports received came from the Greater Dublin area with other reports being received from Tipperary, Meath, Cork, Mayo and Kerry. Initial reports suggest the fireball moved westward in a line from north Dublin to south Mayo, meaning anyone living to the north of this line would have observed the fireball to the south and vice versa for those living south of the Midlands. Only two meteorites have been successfully retrieved on the island of Ireland since the beginning of the 20th century. A meteorite was recovered in Northern Ireland in 1969, while in November 1999 a meteorite fall in County Carlow earned a local woman almost ?15,000 when she recovered four egg-sized pieces. Fragments were subsequently donated to the National History Museum in London and Trinity College Dublin. According to AI's Conor Farrell: There is high confidence that this meteor produced meteorites. If the fireball was brighter than the Full Moon, as has been reported by many people today, then it is well worth looking for a meteorite (the part that survives the fall to Earth). However, it remains unclear whether they impacted overland or in the sea. Even if the main body of the meteorite crashed into the sea, smaller pieces could have fallen earlier on land, explained. He added: We would appeal to anyone who may have captured the fireball on video or camera to visit our website as soon as possible. We would also ask anyone who operates a CCTV system to review video from around 12:15am this morning. Mr. Farrell said that average meteor is no bigger than a grain of sand. He continued: When it collides with the Earth the closing speed can be of the order of 100,000mph and the friction with the thin air 100 miles above the ground quickly heats the tiny particle until it vapourises in a fiery streak which we call a shooting star and that typically only lasts one second or so. Most meteors are caused by small particles of dust that were left behind by comets. The brighter meteors come from larger particles. Fireballs are probably caused by objects the size of a pea, and larger. Comets leave very few large particles behind them so most fireballs probably come from pieces smashed off asteroids as the result of something (probably another asteroid) colliding with an asteroid, probably millions of years ago. Most asteroids orbit the Sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter i.e. between 2 and 4 times the Earth's distance from the Sun. Compared to planets, most asteroids are small (only a handful are bigger than 100 miles across) but they are rocky and some have metal cores, he concluded. To report a Fireball or submit images/video visit the Astronomy Ireland website. Notable European Meteorite Finds The Cape York meteorite was found in Savissivik, Greenland, and is one of the world's largest iron meteorites. Elbogen - The oldest recorded meteorite in the Czech Republic, also known as the betwitched burgrave. Hrascina meteorite - Croatian meteorite first speculated as originating from outer space. Orgueil is a scientifically important carbonaceous chondrite meteorite that fell in SW France in 1864 Follow Irish Weather Online on Twitter, become a fan on Facebook. Stay updated via RSS Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum I don't like being around kangaroos, they make me jumpy! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - a paper on its manufacture
Francis: Great idea! Maybe the Meteorite Men have enough melted pallasite iron (minus the olivine and peridot inclusions), laying around to cast into a Ford engine block. I would suggest a 289 dropped into an early model Ford/Mercury Meteor. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Dear List, The interesting thing about this is the reverse: that a Ford Fairlane engine block could conceivably be made from pallasitic meteoric iron, processed with the olivine phenocrysts removed. What a custom car that would be at the next classic car outing! Of course, if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it. Francis Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Issues Ohio Meteorite Alert
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/18/fireball-leads-to-midwest-meteorite-alert-nasa-warns/ Fireball Leads to Midwest Meteorite Alert, NASA Warns Ohio residents should be on the lookout for potential small meteorites that may have been created by a bright fireball that streaked over southern Ontario, Canada, last week, NASA said. The fireball was detected by all-sky cameras from the Southern Ontario Meteor Network at 1:22 a.m. EDT (0522 GMT) on Aug. 8. It was picked up over Lake Erie and proceeded south-southeast over Ohio, said Bill Cooke, head of NASA's Meteoroid Environments Office at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. The meteor was last tracked north of Gustavus, Ohio, and the potential impact zone for meteorite fragments is a region east of Cleveland, Cooke told SPACE.com. When would-be meteors are traveling through space, they are known as meteoroids to astronomers. When they enter Earth's atmosphere to create fireballs, they are called meteors. Only fragments that actually reach Earth's surface are called meteorites. We look for ones that are moving low and slow, ones that penetrate deep into the atmosphere, Cooke said. Normally meteors burn up 40 to 50 miles (about 65 to 80 kilometers) over your head. This one got down to 38 km (24 miles) before we lost track of it, and we know it went lower. When a meteor penetrates low into the atmosphere and moves relatively slow, it can create meteorites that fall to the ground, Cooke explained. The fireball seen last week slowed to approximately 25,200 mph (40,555 kph). And while skywatchers around the world enjoyed spectacular views of the annual Perseid meteor shower last week, Cooke clarified that this fireball is definitely not a Perseid because it is moving too slowly. Based on the fireball's brightness and radar observations, the meteor's mass is estimated to be in the range of 22 pounds (10 kilograms). This means that meteorite fragments will likely be pretty small, Cooke said. Something the size of your thumbnail, maybe a bit bigger, he said, estimating that any rocks found would probably be about three ounces (roughly 100 grams) and measure about one to two inches (2.5 to 5 cm) across. For meteorite hunters in the area, or for anyone who fortuitously stumbles across any pieces of space rock, Cooke wants to know about it, and people are encouraged to contact NASA's Meteoroid Environments Office if they find any fragments. But, the meteorite expert cautions that there are strict rules governing the ownership of space rocks that fall from the sky. One thing you need to know is that meteorites belong to the property holder, the owner of the property on which they land, he said. So, if you're looking for them on someone's property, be sure you talk to them and get their permission first. If you're looking for meteorites, respect the wishes and rights of all property owners. * Fallen Stars: A Gallery of Famous Meteorites * Spectacular Perseid Meteor Shower Photos of 201L1 * Top 10 Perseid Meteor Shower Facts Copyright © 2011 Space.com. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/18/fireball-leads-to-midwest-meteorite-alert-nasa-warns/#ixzz1VOdoAAA7 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man To Trade Found Meteorite For Harley D
I like the part where the meteorite charged the magnet. I know when my magnets start to run low, I often recharge them with meteorites. Batteries too! (LOL!) Oh, the stories they tell! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites
Hello fellow Listerians: It's hype, just like the sketchy arsenic-based life forms and the imaginary Martian fossils. First off when you say DNA, most people think of a biotic double helix just like we have in the nuclei of our cells. Components of DNA is an entirely different thing, like maybe a little bit of a rung from the DNA ladder. And the same nucleobases plus some hypoxanthine and xanthine were found in the surrounding ice and soil samples near the other meteorites. Sounds a lot like terrestrial contamination. Maybe the analog compounds were present or created at impact, but it sure sounds like the other stuff seeped in while the meteorites lay there for how long? I mean c'mon the exact same compounds? What are the chances of that? They've got to stop crying wolf all the time, it's getting old. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com
Hey, that's my space ball auction! I've seen several sites like this that publish auction results, usually after the auctions end. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Imports __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] google checkout declare themselves the meteorite police
Jim, More likely, they've bought into the recent hype and negative publicity about the meteorite black market. They have to stay politically correct! Erin go bragh, Phil Whitmer -- May be interest to any who are considering using google checkout-it does seem like the public prefer to use them over paypal in my experience but I just got this email Hello, During our recent review, we found that the products or services on your website appear to violate the following Google Checkout content policies: - Unacceptable product category: Protected Cultural Items Artifacts As a result, your account has been suspended. You may not process any orders at this time. If applicable, any pending orders in your account have been canceled. it could be that they just don't like my unfinished and poorly ranked website and I couldn't really blame them for that as it's something that isn't a great priority for me at the minute. I wrote and asked them to be more specific and they have ignored me. Be Nice! Jim Brady IMCA 2424 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.
Count: There's nothing you can do for the poor suckers. There's a chump born every minute. You can't blame people's stupidity on a TV show. People were dumb way before they had television. Stupidity is genetic, it has nothing to do with TV. Can you blame Antiques Roadshow for the dummie that traded his house for a phony Stradivarius because he saw an episode about how much Strads were worth? I don't think so. If you're born dumb, you can take steps to improve your intelligence. If you choose not to, you must suffer the consequences. Just don't say the TV made me do it. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage. Hello to all, May I share an experience I had yesterday afternoon that saddened me and left me questioning the merits of sensationalizing the trade in meteorites. I recently began inserting a free announcement in a nationally read online list stating simply that I BUY METEORITES. Included in the announcement are some simple qualifying tests that I hope will weed out most of the wrongs. I advise that if it turns out that you have a meteorite I will charge you $25.00 for the initial examination and I will help you get it confirmed and classified if you wish. If the find is terrestrial I will not charge any fee and I will suggest you get a second opinion. Well, this has worked out pretty well. I've had a half dozen calls in the last six weeks and several of those have resulted in finds. One particular 100 gram individual has already been classified as a rare type and I was able to secure a nice slice for my collection. Then this happened. I received a call from a young woman who said she was in a neighboring State and had traded all she had for over a hundred pounds of irons and wanted to know how much were they going for. She used a few meteoritical terms to proudly describe her acquisitions, but I could tell she had gotten whatever she had learned from whatever source a bit wrong. She talked fast and excitedly saying her meteorites were really heavy and magnetic. She insisted she had studied and knew they were meteorites. All of them. She went on to say that she had sold her fifth wheel trailer in Quartsite, Arizona and the man who bought it was a rock dealer and had suggested she trade everything in the travel trailer for these meteorites. She now wanted to cash in and would I be interested. She said she would meet me in a few days, but low and behold she arrived the next afternoon. Now picture this. It was 112 degrees when she and her husband and five kids, ages three months to thirteen, arrive in a beat up Chevy truck with all their possessions stacked up in the back. And no air conditioning. After I dispensed bottles of water and got the tribe into the shade, she excitedly announced let's look at the meteorites and ordered her quiet and unassuming husband to lug the boxes and briefcases out from under the stroller and baby food into my garage. The instant the first of the samples were lovingly laid out on my bench it was apparent to me they were terrestrial rocks. She had at least fifty pounds of slag and even large and small chunks of basalt and sandstone. She picked up the rocks one after the other for me to admire while all the while chattering inanely about how they were stony iron or irons and pointing out features to prove her identification and get me interested. I finally stopped her selling pitch by recommending we cut a few. I cut a dozen of the best prospects which all turned out to be terrestrial. I decided I would have to tell her as tactfully as I could. I went and selected some rights and wrongs from my collection and proceeded to teach a little meteorite identification 101. It didn't take long for her to realize that she didn't have any meteorites. I told her how sorry I was, and that I wanted her to have meteorites, and would have been pleased to do business with her. But it unfortunately wasn't the case. She and her husband looked stricken. She said I gave everything we had. I mentioned that she should not take my opinion and get a second opinion. I suggested some other collectors and dealers. I also gave her the URLs for a couple illustrated meteor identification sites. After we had loaded the rocks back in the bed of the pickup I asked how she had become aware of the desirability of meteorites and where did she get her off the wall ideas of their value. She said she had watched most of the episodes of Meteorite Men. This little drama says somethingI have my own opinionanyone else like to opine? Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.
Great idea! They could call the episode Two-Fisted Adventures of the Meteorite Men. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage. A Meteorite Men! (tm) Episode Treatment Cast: The MM, natch, the Count's unfortunate visitors - Naifina and her family - and the Count himself in a Hitchcock-like walk-through cameo. The show starts with the Snidley Whiplash guy offering to trade his fabulously valuable meteorites for all of the Naifina's worldly possessions, miserable as they are. His silver tongue has visions of the high life dancing through her head. Just as the deal is about to close, we hear in the distance the roar of a powerful motorcycle and, in a trice, in burst the Meteorite Men! (tm). Steve shouts Stand aside! We're professionals!! as Snidley is vanquished by a single blow from Geoff's black-gloved fist. Naifina and her family are saved from economic ruin!!! For the next 40 minutes, Naifina and the viewing public are smartened up about getting-rich-quick in the world of meteorites. Lava! Slag! Ebay crooks! Money-centric meteorite shows! (oops) Why Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins! The Meteorite Men! (tm) leap aboard their trusty Meteorite Motorcycle and zoom off into the sunset, which features a stunning bolide drawing the Meteorite Men! (tm) onward. One of them is heard to say Peeps, don't try this at home! while the other crys If it was *that* easy, everyone would be doing it!! Fade to black. Paul Swartz Never smarten up a chump. W.C. Fields Bob said perhaps we could suggest an episode... Outstanding idea! I believe the producers could jazz it up enough to make it a popular segment. It would also do a lot to shut down criticism of the boys and their exploits. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Tunguska Event
Happy Birthday to one of the biggest blammers ever! Tunguska! _ Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
