Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Listers
True that to the human interaction. But again we like it instant these days.
But I cant say that for meteorite centrals list. I have noticed since the over
haul on the list the Art did, it seem topics have changed and the amount of
peoples thoughts and inputs. But again I might be wrong too. But I know this,
before the change, I could go to meteorite central website and see what was the
chat of the day or hour or min. But now if I go to meteorite central, the last
posting was July 11. To me, with everything being about the now, I would be
like, o ok, this is some old school posting going on. I barely go to meteorite
central anymore because of that. But now I have to get the endless emails over
and over, and at times I don't have time to look at them, and that might be one
of the problems people don't chat as much. I wish that the list would be
instant, then I would set my emails to bulk archive and then I could read much
faster on the list who said what,
or at least who said it first and go from there. However, I still like the
list, but I wish the list was how it was and when you sent out the email it
would be posted to meteorite central.
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store
http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1
http://meteoritefalls.com/
From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net; Michael Farmer
m...@meteoriteguy.com
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Michael Bross wrote [in regards to social media, {electronic
communication}]:
... instant, no depth !
I could not agree with his comment more... human interaction is lost in
electronic communications!!
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
http://www.naturesvault.net/ (Online Catalog Reference Site)
http://www.lunarrock.com/ (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay)
http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
IMCA 3163
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Bross
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:12 PM
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
you post while I was writing to you again
and now you put a more aggressive tone. It's ok for now...
before I respond to your post, here is what I was trying
to share with you:
I don't know Adam Hupe.
I saw many emails at once about Curry ... thread still on...
we continue exchanging with that subject line...!
The one from Adam Hupe attracted me immediately.
He is not talking about gvt etc... but showing that in
Colorado... in the desert mainly... especially if you are a
Meteorite Hunter like you... you have speed cameras
to check if you are a danger to others... !!
That's what I read in his first etc... posts.
Not just regulations
To your post:
- given up of what ? The very few interesting posts on this forum
for the last year and a half ? (we can continue on this...)
where are they now ?
- chatrooms ?!... sure... where you spend your time trying
to figure out to what line you got the relating answer... a non dialog !
Fb and other Twit... instant, no depth !
So, there is a place for this forum and others to allow that space
of freedom
That's what I feel tonight
And if wrong... I will leave this forum, which became mostly about some
ads, some rants... and very few about Meteorites
All best
--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just
don't bother anymore.
If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I
prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly
spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites.
While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as
they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into
meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to
be here unless you say watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a
speed camera for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have
seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we
can find our way back to meteorites?
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
wrote:
because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.
I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools
etc...
The exchange has become
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
In order to see the latest met-list posts quickly and in real time I have a
desktop shortcut that takes me to the monthly archive:
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/private/meteorite-list/2013-July/date.html
You'll have to log in with your email address and met-list account password
whenever you restart your computer but this is no problem for me since my pc is
usually on whenever I'm home. Viewing the list in this way lets you scan
through all the latest posts in a few seconds and pick what you'd like to read
without slowly going through everything in an email account.
I rarely even check the email address I use for the list, maybe every week or
two, unless I post a comment or engage in a conversation.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:38:27 -0700
From: photoph...@yahoo.com
To: gmh...@centurylink.net; elemen...@peconic.net; m...@meteoriteguy.com
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Listers
True that to the human interaction. But again we like it instant these days.
But I cant say that for meteorite centrals list. I have noticed since the
over haul on the list the Art did, it seem topics have changed and the amount
of peoples thoughts and inputs. But again I might be wrong too. But I know
this, before the change, I could go to meteorite central website and see what
was the chat of the day or hour or min. But now if I go to meteorite central,
the last posting was July 11. To me, with everything being about the now, I
would be like, o ok, this is some old school posting going on. I barely go to
meteorite central anymore because of that. But now I have to get the endless
emails over and over, and at times I don't have time to look at them, and
that might be one of the problems people don't chat as much. I wish that the
list would be instant, then I would set my emails to bulk archive and then I
could read much faster on the list who said what,
or at least who said it first and go from there. However, I still like the
list, but I wish the list was how it was and when you sent out the email it
would be posted to meteorite central.
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store
http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1
http://meteoritefalls.com/
From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net; Michael Farmer
m...@meteoriteguy.com
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Michael Bross wrote [in regards to social media, {electronic
communication}]:
... instant, no depth !
I could not agree with his comment more... human interaction is lost in
electronic communications!!
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
http://www.naturesvault.net/ (Online Catalog Reference Site)
http://www.lunarrock.com/ (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay)
http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
IMCA 3163
Click here for my current eBay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
-Original Message-
From: Michael Bross
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:12 PM
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
you post while I was writing to you again
and now you put a more aggressive tone. It's ok for now...
before I respond to your post, here is what I was trying
to share with you:
I don't know Adam Hupe.
I saw many emails at once about Curry ... thread still on...
we continue exchanging with that subject line...!
The one from Adam Hupe attracted me immediately.
He is not talking about gvt etc... but showing that in
Colorado... in the desert mainly... especially if you are a
Meteorite Hunter like you... you have speed cameras
to check if you are a danger to others... !!
That's what I read in his first etc... posts.
Not just regulations
To your post:
- given up of what ? The very few interesting posts on this forum
for the last year and a half ? (we can continue on this...)
where are they now ?
- chatrooms ?!... sure... where you spend your time trying
to figure out to what line you got the relating answer... a non dialog !
Fb and other Twit... instant, no depth !
So, there is a place for this forum and others to allow that space
of freedom
That's what I feel tonight
And if wrong... I will leave this forum, which became mostly about some
ads, some rants... and very few about Meteorites
All best
--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite
[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry, Changed to Reading the Met-list easily
Sorry, forgot to update the subject line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
I have him blocked, hid email is blocked and his domain is blocked but how does he keep getting through? I checked by blocked list and it is there but still gets through, any help would be appreciated, Stuart McDaniel .(i.mobile).. On Jul 25, 2013, at 0:01, WS Schroer schr...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Stuart, why don't you simply block his email address so that his emails end up in your deleted items folder and you not even see them? What this guy would hate most is if we would all ignore him. Don't mention his name, delete his postings, and for gods sake don't feed this troll. Cheers Werner Schroer Australia -Original Message- From: Stuart McDaniel Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:41 PM To: Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry How do I stop this asshole from emailing me?? What is it with these ramblings? * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA #9052 * From: Steve Curry Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:27 PM To: Stollsteimer Robert Subject: Contracts Did you realize, that, your Rights, should you wish to exercise them, all have to do with Contracts, AND; all Contracts are subject to Service, Agreement, and Performance. For instance, my alleged arrest, which occurred on January 26, 2102, when I was issued a Traffic Citation, as opposed to an official Warrant, which was I was forced to sign, by the Grand Junction Police Department's finest, Investigative Detective, Officer Poitrowski, who had 'pre-dated' this Traffic Ticket on October 1, 2011, a full, 90-Days prior to it being served, or executed. Of interest, here, is that, Officer Poitrowski was not even assigned to the case, until October 13, 2011, yet, he had no problems presenting this, 'pre-dated,' Contract for my signature, other than having to coerce, intimidate, trick, and threaten, me to get my signature! In actuality, I had no idea, whatsoever, that, I had been arrested, until two days, later, when I read it in our local newspaper's Police Blog! This goes without saying, that, I was not presented with my Miranda Rights, which is a form of an Oral Contract, which is all about an Official Performance, declaring the Completion of Service, and an Acceptance to an Agreement to Perform. In short, this, 'pre-dated,' Traffic Citation was a, grossly, inappropriate form for a Contract to Arrest for the Public Welfare Safety another Contract, as was his inappropriate police force, another Contract, used to get my signature on this Contract. It was, by all measures, and means, a failure to serve proper notice of my Due Process; another Contract, and Equal Protection, yet, another Contract! A much larger Contract exists, which trumps, nearly, all other Contracts, is our Constitutional Bill of Rights. A Contract, which trumps the Constitutional Bill of Rights, are our Inalienable Rights Contract, and the Natural Rights Contract trumps the Contract of Inalienable Rights! The importance of this exercise, is my invitation to you, to become more 'knowledgeable' of these Contracts, and to understand, that, one Contract is, always, controlled by another. AND; when any Contract, within the framework of our Contract of Inalienable Rights, is declared Invalid; including the Constitutional Contractuals due to infractions, indiscretions, inappropriate State, and police power, judicial powers, influence, interloping intrusion of separate powers, denial of proper service, recklessness, or neglect, these Contracts become abrogations of the larger Contracts, particularly, when these Contracts fail to serve, and protect, the Spirit, and Intentions, of the greater good, and are, thus, Null Void, Unenforceable, and deserve restitution, and compensation, for the damages injuries, imposed upon the defendant, that, these Breach(s) of Contracts have caused! For a closer look, and inspection, of the Contracts, which may prove important to you, please click on the following link. You will be amazed, at the numbers of Contracts humanity has constructed over time! Pay close attention to who authored them, and why! http://patriotpost.us/documents Cheers All the Best! Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Solution1 Obey the damn law. Solution 2 Refer to solution 1. On Jul 25, 2013, at 15:48, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list
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To piss you off Mike... because Curry sent it to the list. Stuart McDaniel .(i.mobile).. On Jul 25, 2013, at 16:10, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There are so many stupid laws in place due to way too bureaucrats with nothing better to do, that a saint couldn't help but break a dozen or so laws just by leaving their house! In some neighborhoods, it is illegal to drive around the block twice due to anti-cruising ordinances. If you are lost and searching around a neighborhood and happen to go down the same street twice within an hour, who would you rather argue with the camera that automatically will send you a $280.00 ticket in the mail or a real person who may actually interpret the situation properly? Now back to meteorites. Be careful not to break too many laws while traveling several hundred miles to your destination. Inevitable, it seems somebody can count on getting a ticket if enough hunters attend an event. What ever you do; do not get caught with over 10 pounds of meteorites in your possession meaning you will have to leave that 10.1 pounder in situ to the absolute benefit of no one thanks to all the negative publicity. Also, do not sell U.S. finds on eBay including most of the dry lakes here in the Southwest, Franconia and Jellen to name a few. Big brother is watching according to what a BLM agent based out of Needles, CA told me. Adam From: robert crane rrobb...@msn.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Solution1 Obey the damn law. Solution 2 Refer to solution 1. On Jul 25, 2013, at 15:48, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona
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I am talking abut speed cameras, nothing to do with meteorites. Curry has not posted to this list in a long time. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: To piss you off Mike... because Curry sent it to the list. Stuart McDaniel .(i.mobile).. On Jul 25, 2013, at 16:10, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding. Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg Ticket already printed before stop: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada. Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I won't leave a 10.1 pounder in the field and I don't think many people would. Vapid laws like these make criminals out of law-abiding people. Hypothetical case - an H5 (W4) chondrite from BLM land. Let's assume one is hunting on BLM land and finds a typical weathered highly-equilibrated meteorite. It is of zero interest to science - afterall, what can the humble H5 chondrite teach us that it hasn't already? Scientists are not exactly lining up around the block to get their hands on terrestrialized H5's. It has little commercial value to an entity like the government. Let's assume it weighs 10.1 pounds - what is the market value on that? Surely it's enough to buy a toliet seat or a wrench for a government agency. Heck, they might buy a box of Bic pens with the proceeds. There is NO logical reason to prohibit a private hunter from recovering that meteorite. Now, let's assume the finder is me. I take my trusty pick and knock off a piece that weighs 100-200 grams, and throw it as far as I can to the west - making note of where the chunk lands. I now take home my legal less-than-10-pound meteorite. The next day, I go back and get the other legal 100-200g meteorite from where I tossed it. I put the smaller piece into my personal stash as unidentified specimen #15B and forget about it. I cut off the 20/20 piece for classification, have the larger mass classified, and report the TKW/mass as just under 10 pounds. Asinine law circumvented, crisis averted. In the business world, this is known as exploiting loopholes - every major company in this country does it when they dodge their tax burden by hiding their assets in offshore tax havens. If the government wants to crack down on criminals, they should go after the Fortune 500 CEO's who are stealing billions of dollars from taxpayers and destroying capitalism in the process. I'm feeling quite subversive today. LOL. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 7/25/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are so many stupid laws in place due to way too bureaucrats with nothing better to do, that a saint couldn't help but break a dozen or so laws just by leaving their house! In some neighborhoods, it is illegal to drive around the block twice due to anti-cruising ordinances. If you are lost and searching around a neighborhood and happen to go down the same street twice within an hour, who would you rather argue with the camera that automatically will send you a $280.00 ticket in the mail or a real person who may actually interpret the situation properly? Now back to meteorites. Be careful not to break too many laws while traveling several hundred miles to your destination. Inevitable, it seems somebody can count on getting a ticket if enough hunters attend an event. What ever you do; do not get caught with over 10 pounds of meteorites in your possession meaning you will have to leave that 10.1 pounder in situ to the absolute benefit of no one thanks to all the negative publicity. Also, do not sell U.S. finds on eBay including most of the dry lakes here in the Southwest, Franconia and Jellen to name a few. Big brother is watching according to what a BLM agent based out of Needles, CA told me. Adam From: robert crane rrobb...@msn.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Solution1 Obey the damn law. Solution 2 Refer to solution 1. On Jul 25, 2013, at 15:48, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need
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Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town and 20-30 on Autobahn btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really off limits... So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made. Socially responsible... YES But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be... Au revoir Michael B. -- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped
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In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town and 20-30 on Autobahn btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really off limits... So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made. Socially responsible... YES But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be... Au revoir Michael B. -- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement. According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still use them. This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight) instances of this throughout the state. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer Michael in so. Cal
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it is your way of thinking... not mine especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic... and I will never go to these massroads I love meteorites for what they are. I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite... And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum, like the sinkholes from Paul H. All the best Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town and 20-30 on Autobahn btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really off limits... So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made. Socially responsible... YES But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be... Au revoir Michael B. -- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Why is this on the list? Michael Farner Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court. The freedom of privacy is long gone! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite
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Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related posts are becoming the minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: it is your way of thinking... not mine especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic... and I will never go to these massroads I love meteorites for what they are. I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite... And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum, like the sinkholes from Paul H. All the best Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town and 20-30 on Autobahn btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really off limits... So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made. Socially responsible... YES But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be... Au revoir Michael B. -- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams. What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong? To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake! What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system? Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent
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because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange. I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools etc... The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics when there were of interest, of course... I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him) and many other OT subjects here... lately If they enrich us/me, they are not OT Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ? When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk about meteorites ? If not, why not here ? There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible All the best Michael -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related posts are becoming the minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: it is your way of thinking... not mine especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic... and I will never go to these massroads I love meteorites for what they are. I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite... And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum, like the sinkholes from Paul H. All the best Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town and 20-30 on Autobahn btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really off limits... So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made. Socially responsible... YES But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be... Au revoir Michael B. -- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around
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There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just don't bother anymore. If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites. While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to be here unless you say watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a speed camera for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we can find our way back to meteorites? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange. I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools etc... The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics when there were of interest, of course... I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him) and many other OT subjects here... lately If they enrich us/me, they are not OT Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ? When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk about meteorites ? If not, why not here ? There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible All the best Michael -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related posts are becoming the minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: it is your way of thinking... not mine especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic... and I will never go to these massroads I love meteorites for what they are. I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite... And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum, like the sinkholes from Paul H. All the best Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town and 20-30 on Autobahn btw, when I go to NYC
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you post while I was writing to you again and now you put a more aggressive tone. It's ok for now... before I respond to your post, here is what I was trying to share with you: I don't know Adam Hupe. I saw many emails at once about Curry ... thread still on... we continue exchanging with that subject line...! The one from Adam Hupe attracted me immediately. He is not talking about gvt etc... but showing that in Colorado... in the desert mainly... especially if you are a Meteorite Hunter like you... you have speed cameras to check if you are a danger to others... !! That's what I read in his first etc... posts. Not just regulations To your post: - given up of what ? The very few interesting posts on this forum for the last year and a half ? (we can continue on this...) where are they now ? - chatrooms ?!... sure... where you spend your time trying to figure out to what line you got the relating answer... a non dialog ! Fb and other Twit... instant, no depth ! So, there is a place for this forum and others to allow that space of freedom That's what I feel tonight And if wrong... I will leave this forum, which became mostly about some ads, some rants... and very few about Meteorites All best -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just don't bother anymore. If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites. While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to be here unless you say watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a speed camera for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we can find our way back to meteorites? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange. I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools etc... The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics when there were of interest, of course... I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him) and many other OT subjects here... lately If they enrich us/me, they are not OT Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ? When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk about meteorites ? If not, why not here ? There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible All the best Michael -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related posts are becoming the minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: it is your way of thinking... not mine especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic... and I will never go to these massroads I love meteorites for what they are. I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite... And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum, like the sinkholes from Paul H. All the best Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry In no way shape or form does
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Right on. Michael On 7/25/13 6:40 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just don't bother anymore. If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites. While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to be here unless you say watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a speed camera for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we can find our way back to meteorites? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange. I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools etc... The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics when there were of interest, of course... I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him) and many other OT subjects here... lately If they enrich us/me, they are not OT Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ? When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk about meteorites ? If not, why not here ? There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible All the best Michael -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related posts are becoming the minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: it is your way of thinking... not mine especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic... and I will never go to these massroads I love meteorites for what they are. I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite... And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum, like the sinkholes from Paul H. All the best Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List Thank you Adam for your posts and links I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera. I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East. Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France. In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs) Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic... but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules, the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone and I am very sad to hear that about USA ! Anyway... In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around) In Germany, they have radars
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
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... instant, no depth !
I could not agree with his comment more... human interaction is lost in
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Bross
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:12 PM
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
you post while I was writing to you again
and now you put a more aggressive tone. It's ok for now...
before I respond to your post, here is what I was trying
to share with you:
I don't know Adam Hupe.
I saw many emails at once about Curry ... thread still on...
we continue exchanging with that subject line...!
The one from Adam Hupe attracted me immediately.
He is not talking about gvt etc... but showing that in
Colorado... in the desert mainly... especially if you are a
Meteorite Hunter like you... you have speed cameras
to check if you are a danger to others... !!
That's what I read in his first etc... posts.
Not just regulations
To your post:
- given up of what ? The very few interesting posts on this forum
for the last year and a half ? (we can continue on this...)
where are they now ?
- chatrooms ?!... sure... where you spend your time trying
to figure out to what line you got the relating answer... a non dialog !
Fb and other Twit... instant, no depth !
So, there is a place for this forum and others to allow that space
of freedom
That's what I feel tonight
And if wrong... I will leave this forum, which became mostly about some
ads, some rants... and very few about Meteorites
All best
--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just
don't bother anymore.
If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I
prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly
spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites.
While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as
they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into
meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to
be here unless you say watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a
speed camera for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have
seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we
can find our way back to meteorites?
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
wrote:
because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.
I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools
etc...
The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s
The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics
when there were of interest, of course...
I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his
Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him)
and many other OT subjects here... lately
If they enrich us/me, they are not OT
Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ?
When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk
about meteorites ?
If not, why not here ?
There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible
All the best
Michael
--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants.
Meteorite-related posts are becoming the
minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government,
politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite
forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and
demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of
the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk.
Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics
not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why?
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen
[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
How do I stop this asshole from emailing me?? What is it with these ramblings? * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA #9052 * From: Steve Curry Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:27 PM To: Stollsteimer Robert Subject: Contracts Did you realize, that, your Rights, should you wish to exercise them, all have to do with Contracts, AND; all Contracts are subject to Service, Agreement, and Performance. For instance, my alleged arrest, which occurred on January 26, 2102, when I was issued a Traffic Citation, as opposed to an official Warrant, which was I was forced to sign, by the Grand Junction Police Department's finest, Investigative Detective, Officer Poitrowski, who had 'pre-dated' this Traffic Ticket on October 1, 2011, a full, 90-Days prior to it being served, or executed. Of interest, here, is that, Officer Poitrowski was not even assigned to the case, until October 13, 2011, yet, he had no problems presenting this, 'pre-dated,' Contract for my signature, other than having to coerce, intimidate, trick, and threaten, me to get my signature! In actuality, I had no idea, whatsoever, that, I had been arrested, until two days, later, when I read it in our local newspaper's Police Blog! This goes without saying, that, I was not presented with my Miranda Rights, which is a form of an Oral Contract, which is all about an Official Performance, declaring the Completion of Service, and an Acceptance to an Agreement to Perform. In short, this, 'pre-dated,' Traffic Citation was a, grossly, inappropriate form for a Contract to Arrest for the Public Welfare Safety another Contract, as was his inappropriate police force, another Contract, used to get my signature on this Contract. It was, by all measures, and means, a failure to serve proper notice of my Due Process; another Contract, and Equal Protection, yet, another Contract! A much larger Contract exists, which trumps, nearly, all other Contracts, is our Constitutional Bill of Rights. A Contract, which trumps the Constitutional Bill of Rights, are our Inalienable Rights Contract, and the Natural Rights Contract trumps the Contract of Inalienable Rights! The importance of this exercise, is my invitation to you, to become more 'knowledgeable' of these Contracts, and to understand, that, one Contract is, always, controlled by another. AND; when any Contract, within the framework of our Contract of Inalienable Rights, is declared Invalid; including the Constitutional Contractuals due to infractions, indiscretions, inappropriate State, and police power, judicial powers, influence, interloping intrusion of separate powers, denial of proper service, recklessness, or neglect, these Contracts become abrogations of the larger Contracts, particularly, when these Contracts fail to serve, and protect, the Spirit, and Intentions, of the greater good, and are, thus, Null Void, Unenforceable, and deserve restitution, and compensation, for the damages injuries, imposed upon the defendant, that, these Breach(s) of Contracts have caused! For a closer look, and inspection, of the Contracts, which may prove important to you, please click on the following link. You will be amazed, at the numbers of Contracts humanity has constructed over time! Pay close attention to who authored them, and why! http://patriotpost.us/documents Cheers All the Best! Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Hi Stuart, why don't you simply block his email address so that his emails end up in your deleted items folder and you not even see them? What this guy would hate most is if we would all ignore him. Don't mention his name, delete his postings, and for gods sake don't feed this troll. Cheers Werner Schroer Australia -Original Message- From: Stuart McDaniel Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:41 PM To: Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry How do I stop this asshole from emailing me?? What is it with these ramblings? * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA #9052 * From: Steve Curry Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:27 PM To: Stollsteimer Robert Subject: Contracts Did you realize, that, your Rights, should you wish to exercise them, all have to do with Contracts, AND; all Contracts are subject to Service, Agreement, and Performance. For instance, my alleged arrest, which occurred on January 26, 2102, when I was issued a Traffic Citation, as opposed to an official Warrant, which was I was forced to sign, by the Grand Junction Police Department's finest, Investigative Detective, Officer Poitrowski, who had 'pre-dated' this Traffic Ticket on October 1, 2011, a full, 90-Days prior to it being served, or executed. Of interest, here, is that, Officer Poitrowski was not even assigned to the case, until October 13, 2011, yet, he had no problems presenting this, 'pre-dated,' Contract for my signature, other than having to coerce, intimidate, trick, and threaten, me to get my signature! In actuality, I had no idea, whatsoever, that, I had been arrested, until two days, later, when I read it in our local newspaper's Police Blog! This goes without saying, that, I was not presented with my Miranda Rights, which is a form of an Oral Contract, which is all about an Official Performance, declaring the Completion of Service, and an Acceptance to an Agreement to Perform. In short, this, 'pre-dated,' Traffic Citation was a, grossly, inappropriate form for a Contract to Arrest for the Public Welfare Safety another Contract, as was his inappropriate police force, another Contract, used to get my signature on this Contract. It was, by all measures, and means, a failure to serve proper notice of my Due Process; another Contract, and Equal Protection, yet, another Contract! A much larger Contract exists, which trumps, nearly, all other Contracts, is our Constitutional Bill of Rights. A Contract, which trumps the Constitutional Bill of Rights, are our Inalienable Rights Contract, and the Natural Rights Contract trumps the Contract of Inalienable Rights! The importance of this exercise, is my invitation to you, to become more 'knowledgeable' of these Contracts, and to understand, that, one Contract is, always, controlled by another. AND; when any Contract, within the framework of our Contract of Inalienable Rights, is declared Invalid; including the Constitutional Contractuals due to infractions, indiscretions, inappropriate State, and police power, judicial powers, influence, interloping intrusion of separate powers, denial of proper service, recklessness, or neglect, these Contracts become abrogations of the larger Contracts, particularly, when these Contracts fail to serve, and protect, the Spirit, and Intentions, of the greater good, and are, thus, Null Void, Unenforceable, and deserve restitution, and compensation, for the damages injuries, imposed upon the defendant, that, these Breach(s) of Contracts have caused! For a closer look, and inspection, of the Contracts, which may prove important to you, please click on the following link. You will be amazed, at the numbers of Contracts humanity has constructed over time! Pay close attention to who authored them, and why! http://patriotpost.us/documents Cheers All the Best! Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
