Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes properties!=values. types/schema are not just as much data. You seem to be making unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary distinctions. Please stop making the assumption of lack of foundation logical flaw. I made no

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett wrote: When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that labelled each telephone number as work? When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that included the managers' home

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett wrote: When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that labelled each telephone number as work? When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that included the managers' home

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, January 8, 2008 09:29, Michael Smethurst wrote: I'm looking into marking up contact details for tv and radio programmes Typically they have a telephone number, an email address, possibly a fax number and often a sms short code Is there a preferred way to mark-up the sms short

[uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Michael Smethurst
Hello! I'm looking into marking up contact details for tv and radio programmes Typically they have a telephone number, an email address, possibly a fax number and often a sms short code Is there a preferred way to mark-up the sms short code? http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, January 8, 2008 09:29, Michael Smethurst wrote: I'm looking into marking up contact details for tv and radio programmes Typically they have a telephone number, an email address, possibly a fax number and often a sms short code Is there a preferred way to mark-up the sms short code?

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Alex Mayrhofer
Andy Mabbett wrote: I've added the issue here: http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions#3.3.1_TEL_Type_Definition and will raise it with the group being formed to look at revising vCard. Hi, it might be a good idea to look at the proposed registry for tel: URI parameters

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, January 8, 2008 11:08, Alex Mayrhofer wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: I've added the issue here: http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions#3.3.1_TEL_Type_Definiti on it might be a good idea to look at the proposed registry for tel: URI parameters

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Christopher St John
On Jan 7, 2008 8:14 PM, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The distinction of properties, values, types, schema etc. are well documented computer science terms. Actually, in knowledge representation terms they're usually not. To get around the what's meta problem people generally just pick

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Philip Tellis
On 08/01/2008, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. The nearest at the moment is type=cell, but since such numbers usually cannot be dialled for voice calls, that's not really I don't understand this. Why can't type=cell be dialled for voice calls?

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Jim O'Donnell
On 8 Jan 2008, at 19:13, Philip Tellis wrote: On 08/01/2008, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. The nearest at the moment is type=cell, but since such numbers usually cannot be dialled for voice calls, that's not really I don't understand this. Why can't type=cell be dialled

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Philip Tellis
On 08/01/2008, Jim O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand this. Why can't type=cell be dialled for voice calls? I think the problem is that they can, but SMS short numbers can't. so should there be a way to distinguish voice enabled numbers from SMS only numbers and data

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Philip Tellis wrote: On 08/01/2008, Jim O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand this. Why can't type=cell be dialled for voice calls? I think the problem is that they can, but SMS short numbers can't. so should there be a way to distinguish voice enabled

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone number not being a work number when both a person's formatted name and organization name were present? Today - and nearly every time I look at a contact page about someone who does voluntary work. Andy,

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone number not being a work number when both a person's formatted name and organization name were present? Today - and nearly every time I look at a contact

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone number not being a work number when both a person's formatted name and organization name were present? Today - and nearly every time

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/8/08 6:47 AM, Christopher St John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 8:14 PM, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The distinction of properties, values, types, schema etc. are well documented computer science terms. Actually, in knowledge representation terms they're

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/8/08 12:08 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes properties!=values. types/schema are not just as much data. You seem to be making unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary distinctions. Please stop making

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Philip Tellis
On 08/01/2008, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding a TEL TYPE value 'sms' seems to be a viable possible option. It is just another service available @ the phone number, just like voice, fax, etc. so what we're looking at, is really two axes... one is the service running at the

[uf-discuss] hCards for places

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Perhaps the rule should be that the hCard is for a place if the fn is on *any* address (adr) child-component [1] (e.g. fn locality or fn street-address)? This strikes me as being pretty workable. I'm mentally kicking the

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 08/01/2008, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding a TEL TYPE value 'sms' seems to be a viable possible option. It is just another service available @ the phone number, just like voice, fax, etc. so what we're

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Philip Tellis
On 08/01/2008, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps, but I'd slice it three ways and add more: service: voice, sms, fax, data, textphone, freephone connection: landline, mobile I'm not sure I'd bother distinguishing between landline and mobile, for the

[uf-discuss] Initial hAtom support in Spinn3r 2.1

2008-01-08 Thread Kevin Burton
Hey guys, Thought this would be of interest: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2008/01/announcing-spin.html We implemented initial hAtom support in this updated version of Spinn3r. Updating it as the spec evolves shouldn't be a problem. This is implemented as part of our content extraction technology

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Michael MD
I'm not sure I'd bother distinguishing between landline and mobile, for the same reasons that you mentioned. It's largely irrelevant. My choice of work, home, mobile was more an indication of where I'm likely to be if you reach me on one of these numbers, ie, if you know I'm at home, you're

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Philip Tellis
On 08/01/2008, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be of interest to people in some places - especially when there may be differences between the costs of making a call to a landline or a mobile. eg .. here in Sydney if I'm calling a local landline number from another landline it is

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Michael MD
Would you, for example, put down, preferred from 0900-1700IST, except on weekends and between the 5th and 15th of May, unless you're signed up with plan foo on provider bar as meta info for the number? No, but people might sometimes like to know if its a mobile or a landline (and perhaps

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Thus, apologies, comment retracted. Thank you. Based on this feedback I will refrain from posting on microformats mailing lists and making wiki edits (other than admin duties of blocking/reverting spammers) for 24 hours.

Re: [uf-discuss] hCards for places

2008-01-08 Thread Brian Suda
On 09/01/2008, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Perhaps the rule should be that the hCard is for a place if the fn is on *any* address (adr) child-component [1] (e.g. fn locality or fn street-address)? This

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 08/01/2008, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps, but I'd slice it three ways and add more: service: voice, sms, fax, data, textphone, freephone connection: landline, mobile I'm not