On 28/5/08 13:41, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Alasdair
Big thanks for this - really interesting and helpful. One or 2 comments
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Hi Michael,
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply any mendacity on your part. I'm
fully appreciative and admiring of the BBC's long-term
Thanks benjamin
I had a quiet day lined up. Looks like I'll be subscribing to mailing list
now ;-)
On 24/5/08 12:42, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Frances Berriman wrote:
I realise I mentioned this URL in the last thread I was active on, but
I wanted to bring this to the
Hi Michael,
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply any mendacity on your part. I'm
fully appreciative and admiring of the BBC's long-term support for
accessibility, including BETSIE, informal support for my BBC-using
programs, and use of accessibility features like skiplinks. That said,
I recognise
On 22/5/08 19:04, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Smethurst wrote:
Of 4 users 2 had abbreviation expansion turned on.
Ah, but what was your sample group? Were they, by any chance,
highly-able professionals, probably with a business interest in web
design and
On 21/05/2008, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you tried something like this:
abbr class=dtstart title=2008-05-15T19:30:00+01:00
span title=Seven Thirty19:30/span
/abbr
Hi Martin,
It's not so much about what to try as the BBC using the hCalendar on
a new, very large site
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 10:26 +0100, Frances Berriman wrote:
On 21/05/2008, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you tried something like this:
abbr class=dtstart title=2008-05-15T19:30:00+01:00
span title=Seven Thirty19:30/span
/abbr
Hi Martin,
It's not so much about
On [May 22], at [ May 22] 7:46 , Martin McEvoy wrote:
Hmm It seems to me that the microformats community seems to find it
difficult to resolve the abbr design issue[1], its been over a year
now?
This is difficult to solve because we lack the resources to do testing
with screen reader
On 22/05/2008, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There has been some testing, that will hopefully be published soon,
but it's not definitive (since there's not much data on how most SR
users have their setups). That's all :)
Sorry, I meant of course I infer that they've tested the
On 22 May 2008, at 17:06, Alasdair King wrote:
From the BBC page linked:
We've looked at quite a few screen readers out of the box and by
default they don't expand abbreviation elements so the user still
hears 19:30 not 2008-05-15T19:30:00+01:00.
I infer that they've tested the screenreaders,
Michael Smethurst wrote:
Of 4 users 2 had abbreviation expansion turned on.
Ah, but what was your sample group? Were they, by any chance,
highly-able professionals, probably with a business interest in web
design and accessibility? Or were they little old ladies using Thunder
or NVDA because
Ben Ward wrote:
I don't think the ‘what's the default‘ argument is an absolute decider
either way with this.
Indeed. Even if no screen readers even *offered* the option of
reading the title attribute of abbreviations, the abbr design pattern
would still be a bad idea. Or rather,having it
Hi everyone,
I realise I mentioned this URL in the last thread I was active on, but
I wanted to bring this to the attention to anyone not following that
thread.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/05/microformats_and_accessibility.shtml
The BBC is trialling microformats in the new
Hi Frances
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 14:12 +0100, Frances Berriman wrote:
Hi everyone,
I realise I mentioned this URL in the last thread I was active on, but
I wanted to bring this to the attention to anyone not following that
thread.
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