Re: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

There is a list of current classes on the wiki, though being able to insert rel values is also important: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Chris Messina wrote: This kind of delves into the "authoritative standards" doesn't it? And how do you keep up w

Re: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

This kind of delves into the "authoritative standards" doesn't it? And how do you keep up with an ever-growing repository of microformats? Obviously it can be done -- and it's something that we need, especially if we're to get support for microformats into client-side software... so isn't that wh

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation Microformat: LazyWeb for BibTeXperts

On 10/5/06, Brian Suda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have updated my Straw proposal slightly to avoid collisions with class values and to bring it in line with other formats (e.g. hResume, what was 'title' is now 'fn') Why? Seems quite awkward to me to call a title a "fn." ... Taking the imp

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

On 10/5/06, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't follow microformats.org process, though I do believe some of > the key prerequisites have been fulfilled. This is the key. Just taking an existing format and translating them to class names is not enough - as the folks working on

RE: [uf-discuss] Citation Microformat: LazyWeb for BibTeXperts

Brian, Great work. I'm excited to see so much progress, as hCitation is one of the most critical uFs in my current project. Based on what you've done, I have a process question. I, and others, have mentioned the need for a DateAccessed field, which is required by several citation standards when

RE: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

Yes, this is currently the case. We are working on a solution, although I can't make any specific commitments. >From what I've gathered, one of the reasons that some blogging platforms strip >class attributes is to prevent users from marking up posts in a manner that >uses existing CSS definit

Re: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

I'm doing up a list of which blog and social networking platforms do and don't support microformats. Sadly Windows Live Spaces seems to be one of the non-supporting platforms. Can you confirm that Matt? Conor Matt Augustine wrote: Windows Live Writer publishes events that have been pasted int

[uf-discuss] Citation Microformat: LazyWeb for BibTeXperts

Calling all BibTeXperts. I have found a few free cycles here and there and have pieced together the first of many XSLTs that will convert the Citation Microformat to various other formats. I have updated my Straw proposal slightly to avoid collisions with class values and to bring it in line wit

[uf-discuss] (hCalendar) "Outlook 2007 - time zones get marginal improvement"

This may be of interest: -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Data:

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] GRDDL Primer and Microformats

yes, that is the one. It was just created recently to correspond with the release of the Primer and Use-cases. So that is why there is only '1' message in the archives. You could be the first to send a comment :) -brian On 10/5/06, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 4, 2006, at 5:13

Re: [uf-discuss] Species: where now

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> What's next? > >Just keep working through the process: that is, if you're comfortable >with the examples you've accumlated about how species is used on the >web, brainstorm (which I see you've done), throw together a strawma

RE: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

Windows Live Writer publishes events that have been pasted into blog posts as hCal whenever possible, even if the event was subsequently modified using the built-in event editor. The only exceptions are for blogging platforms that don't allow class attributes in the HTML. Unfortunately, there

Re: [uf-discuss] Wiki spamming

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> I dd so again, a few hours ago. > >Username? AndyMabbett -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Data: __

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I consider lat/long data as opaque metadata, which is likely to fall >victim to the same problems as hidden metadata. That rather depends on who's maintaining the data, and why. We should allow those who are capable of being-

Re: [uf-discuss] GRDDL Primer and Microformats

On 05/10/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Dubost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/ If this: GRDDL provides a relatively inexpensive set of mechanisms for bootstrapping RDF content from uniform X

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

On 05/10/06, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't follow microformats.org process, though I do believe some of > the key prerequisites have been fulfilled. This is the key. Just taking an existing format and translating them to class names is not enough - as the folks working on

Re: [uf-discuss] hPlaylist Status?

Sorry Ciaran, I have to get the work clear of my employer's lawyers first. -Lucas On 10/5/06, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/5/06, Lucas Gonze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be happy to have your input or help you tackle related problems. > Let's talk offlist. Lucas, This i

Re: [uf-discuss] GRDDL Primer and Microformats

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Dubost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/ If this: GRDDL provides a relatively inexpensive set of mechanisms for bootstrapping RDF content from uniform XML dialects in such a way as to shift the burde

Re: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

Ryan King wrote: On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Conor O'Neill wrote: I'm not sure if any of you spotted this as it was not part of the original release notes but Windows Live Writer now has a plug-in which allows you to insert hCalendar events in your blog posts. Has anyone looked at the marku

Re: [uf-discuss] Species: where now

On 10/5/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's next? Just keep working through the process: that is, if you're comfortable with the examples you've accumlated about how species is used on the web, brainstorm (which I see you've done), throw together a strawman uF, then say "this sh

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

On Oct 5, 2006, at 5:07 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: Wikis are awesome and a page to collect all this can't hurt anything :) Is hDOAP going to be suggested into the microformats.org community? Has it already and I just can't find the

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: One thing about this would be that all current parsers would have to be tweaked to ignore as the root of a data-extraction parseing. Which may be a good idea anyway? -ryan ___ microformats-d

[uf-discuss] Species: where now

A while ago, Tantek Celik challenged me: one thing that might help for the species discussion is if you could cite URLs to a site or sites with millions (or even thousands) of clearly obvious uses of "species" terminology [...] on pages. I'm not saying such exampl

Re: [uf-discuss] Examples in Wiki

On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:45 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote: Hi all: I've been looking at the examples on the Wiki, especially hCard, hCalendar and hResume. Many of the examples in the Wiki give the original format (vCard, iCalendar), then how the microformat should be coded, then "How this might look

Re: [uf-discuss] Using Technorati to export hCal to Outlook 2003

On Oct 4, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: I wonder if Technorati is having trouble parsing invalid HTML. Specifically, you're wrapping a span (an inline element) around a table (a block element), which is invalid. Indeed. For now, we're using tidy. Unfortunately, when tidy encounter

Re: [uf-discuss] GRDDL Primer and Microformats

On Oct 4, 2006, at 5:13 AM, Brian Suda wrote: More importantly, we have just started a public mailing list for comments... Is this [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/] it? -ryan ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microfo

Re: [uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats

On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Conor O'Neill wrote: I'm not sure if any of you spotted this as it was not part of the original release notes but Windows Live Writer now has a plug-in which allows you to insert hCalendar events in your blog posts. Has anyone looked at the markup they're produc

Re: [uf-discuss] Wiki spamming

On Oct 3, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I've just reverted some porn spamming from the main page of the Wiki - someone might want to remove the user concerned. I dd so again, a few hours ago. Username? -ryan

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

On Oct 3, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes you don't need to have lat/long to get distance. There are plenty of services for translating human readable addresses into machine readable values. But with much less ac

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

Nice summary! I agree the issues are non-trivial, but I'm glad somebody is hashing them out... On Oct 5, 2006, at 7:20 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote: Scott, Thanks for the in-depth reply, lots of good points! I've mulled it over and here are a few thoughts. On 10/5/06, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >What is lacking is following the process step by step: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/process > >starting with a *-examples page, then a *-formats page (which should >list DOAP of course), and *then* a *-brainstorming page.

Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Dubost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> Someone asked me recently what other microformats might emerge, in the >> future. Which set me thinking > >Be careful of the infobesity. The *what*? >As in I see many microformats development on this list these days >w

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Dubost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Le 5 oct. 06 à 20:50, Stephen Paul Weber a écrit : >>Ultimately a search engine could search by >> license/limitations as well as title/description, filtering out >> shareware etc. if you don't want it, allowing it if you

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

On 10/5/06 9:18 AM, "Danny Ayers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could have sworn I mailed this or the dev list about hDOAP [1] , but > I can't find anything substantial in the archives, probably forgot the > cc...anyhow basically it's a way of describing software projects in > HTML, based on DO

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

I could have sworn I mailed this or the dev list about hDOAP [1] , but I can't find anything substantial in the archives, probably forgot the cc...anyhow basically it's a way of describing software projects in HTML, based on DOAP [2] which could potentially become a microformat (according to micro

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

Scott, Thanks for the in-depth reply, lots of good points! I've mulled it over and here are a few thoughts. On 10/5/06, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: An empty hCard is not an hCard. hCard requires at least a name, and most other microformats have some basic requirements. So I think

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

Getting there... ;) You'll note in my original message I said that I was 'planning on doing research and suggesting soon'... that was not a real suggestion, but since a bunch of messages about existing work came in I figured organising that a bit couldn't hurt ;) Real-world examples are coming.

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

Le 5 oct. 06 à 20:50, Stephen Paul Weber a écrit : Definately interesting, but a microformat/semantic XHTML version would also be nice. Plus, shareware/trial downloads should be able to be represented too. Ultimately a search engine could search by license/limitations as well as title/descript

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

On Oct 5, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote: I agree with this. I think indicating that a form contains an hCard is semantically valid in and of itself, especially in the case of presenting an hCard in a form for editing. There's also nothing immediately wrong with saying that an empty fo

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

Wikis are awesome and a page to collect all this can't hurt anything :) Is hDOAP going to be suggested into the microformats.org community? Has it already and I just can't find the wiki pages? What about, as I've mentioned, the ability to l

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

There has been some work done to model DOAP in XHTML. Pretty much all the tools have been created and are ready to use. http://dannyayers.com:88/xmlns/hdoap/profile/index.xhtml -brian Stephen Paul Weber wrote: > Definately interesting, but a microformat/semantic XHTML version would > also be ni

Re: Software Projects Description Re: [uf-discuss] Potential Microformats

Definately interesting, but a microformat/semantic XHTML version would also be nice. Plus, shareware/trial downloads should be able to be represented too. Ultimately a search engine could search by license/limitations as well as title/description, filtering out shareware etc. if you don't want i

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

On 10/5/06, Tom Armitage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quick question (and this isn't mean as a troll or a leading one, it's just because right now I can't think of any): what uF could be valuably applied to a radio button? I guessed you might have two radio buttons saying "home address" and "work a

Re: [uf-discuss] hPlaylist Status?

"Alternates" [1]. There was some later discussion on this and I believe Kevin Marks contributed some stuff later on. I haven't championed this in any major way because the need for it seems somewhat theoretical at the moment (though it's nice to have the idea recorded in case someone needs it).

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

On 05/10/06, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Elements like that just wrap values could be parsed normally but others like would need to be parsed using the @value, and I'm not sure what we'd have to do to be able to parse, for instance, radio buttons. Quick question (and this isn't

[uf-discuss] mikroformate.org launched

hey folks, for your information: we launched a german metablog about microformats today on http://mikroformate.org we are three guys blogging about microformats for a while now and for the reason, that we've allready pubslished over 100 articles about microformats, we put our forces together and

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

On 10/5/06, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The first that comes to mind: If the form is pre-filled then you have a valid vcard that could be parsed (with the addition of some form parsing rules). Take for example an 'Edit Profile' page that contains existing values. That's a very good poin

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

On 4 Oct 2006, at 19:37, Scott Reynen wrote: What is the benefit of using the same root class name for forms accepting a microformat as we use for the published microformat? The first that comes to mind: If the form is pre-filled then you have a valid vcard that could be parsed (with the add

Re: [uf-discuss] hPlaylist Status?

On 10/5/06, Lucas Gonze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd be happy to have your input or help you tackle related problems. Let's talk offlist. Lucas, This is certainly something I'd be interested it hearing more about, so I'd encourage you to continue progress on this in public! Do you have some