The fact that I think POSH is a ridiculous, unnecessary, and patronising
initiative aside, these sentiments are spot-on.
Semantic HTML comes first, microformats after. For POSH to catch on, it
needs to appeal to web development (or certainly web standards)
newcomers. Microformats is an advance
I'm hoping to test some date formats with screen-readers, but notice
that there aren't any "in the wild" URLs posted on the wiki page
http://microformats.org/wiki/assistive-technology-abbr-results
I'm assuming from this absence that there aren't any examples "in the
wild", so propose testing
I think POSH is useful as a
conceptual tool for reifying the definition of microformats:
POSH Patterns: semantic practices resulting in meaningful markup
Microformats: HTML-based data formats
I think (at least) 3 distinctions need to be made:
- 'vanilla' semantic HTML (using non-presentationa
Chris Messina wrote:
I believe that POSH should actually become it's own parallel effort to
microformats -- and that the microformats wiki should link to external
resources, documentation and best practices for all things POSH. Now,
that doesn't have to happen right away, as we are still building
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bruce lawson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>In order that the results aren't dismissed as invalid because they're
>specially created rather than "in the wild"
I would be foolish in the extreme for anyone to dismiss your results on
those grounds.
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Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Keith Alexander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I think (at least) 3 distinctions need to be made:
>
>- 'vanilla' semantic HTML (using non-presentational html markup
>appropriate to the content it describes)
>- HTML-based data formats (actually, this is what I was looki
Keith Alexander wrote:
I think POSH is useful as a
conceptual tool for reifying the definition of microformats:
POSH Patterns: semantic practices resulting in meaningful markup
Microformats: HTML-based data formats
I think (at least) 3 distinctions need to be made:
- 'vanilla' semantic HTML
Jeremy Keith wrote:
I think you might be missing a lot of the tongue-in-cheekiness of the
term. Nobody thinks it's a particularly good or clever term but it's
better than saying "not a microformat" as in when someone writes "I've
just created my own microformat" and they are then told "no, w
Andy Mabbett wrote:
I would be foolish in the extreme for anyone to dismiss your results on
those grounds.
...they'll just label them as "strawman examples"...
P
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Patrick H. Lauke
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Andy Mabbett wrote:
I think (at least) 3 distinctions need to be made:
- 'vanilla' semantic HTML (using non-presentational html markup
appropriate to the content it describes)
- HTML-based data formats (actually, this is what I was looking for a
term for when I suggested 'POSH')
How ca
On May 6, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Keith Alexander wrote:
Indeed, there are already microformats, such as "nofollow", which we
recognise as such, but which do not appear to have followed that
process.
Given that, I'd perhaps redefine a 'Microformat' as an HTML
convention (can something like 'nofoll
On May 6, 2007, at 2:29 AM, bruce lawson wrote:
I'm hoping to test some date formats with screen-readers, but
notice that there aren't any "in the wild" URLs posted on the wiki
page http://microformats.org/wiki/assistive-technology-abbr-results
I'm assuming from this absence that there are
Hi Bruce,
upcoming.org seems to use microformatted events, so you could try our
book sale as a test case:
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/183325
Do you need real world examples of event listings too - we've got a
whole bunch of events listed at work, but they'd need to be marked up
with h
On 06/05/07, Patrick Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Absolutely - I see a very important need for the microformats community
to ensure basic semantic practices are understood. I'm just not
This is kind of why I have a problem with the "POSH" thing.
Yeah, it's meant to be a bit of a joke
Frances Berriman wrote:
This is kind of why I have a problem with the "POSH" thing.
Yeah, it's meant to be a bit of a joke (and plenty of people are
laughing) - but for those people that would actually benefit from
improving their knowledge of HTML and semantics - seeing another
acronym with un
On 5/6/07, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Frances Berriman wrote:
> This is kind of why I have a problem with the "POSH" thing.
>
Also, from a marketing perspective, I'd posit that "plain" and "old" are
probably not the best terms to sex up and sell the idea.
Except that that's t
Hello,
If you really have to make up a new name... then how about... SHTML.
(Short for "Semantic HTML".)
(It's similar in vein to XHTML.)
SHTML is... Simple, to the point, and sexy :-)
See ya
On 5/6/07, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Frances Berriman wrote:
> This is kind of
On 5/6/07, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On May 6, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Keith Alexander wrote:
>> Indeed, there are already microformats, such as "nofollow", which we
>> recognise as such, but which do not appear to have followed that
>> process.
>>
> Given that, I'd perhaps redefine a 'M
Hello,
On 5/6/07, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
If you really have to make up a new name... then how about... SHTML.
(Short for "Semantic HTML".)
(It's similar in vein to XHTML.)
Sorry... I meant DHTML here.
See ya
SHTML is... Simple, to the point, and sexy :
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